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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    What we really need for the MH issue is a village approach fused with degreed guidance on the various issues. The sit-and-talk about it in the psych's office practicum won't move things forward enough.
    InOthrWds, what would it mean if people who struggle with stuff could freely air-out their minds to their society of residence?? Get directed thereby to some proper medication. Talk out the truly serious behavioral issues.
    We should note carefully that our relationship with psychological medications is in a state of relatively rapid flux in these years, the early end of the new millenium. We will still look 'medieval' in 2012 to future generations, but it is probable that we can do significantly better than even ten years ago.
    I would wager that most mental health professionals would agree that what they do would be greatly benefitted by a common decentralization of how we care for our fellow humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurn View Post
    What we really need for the MH issue is a village approach fused with degreed guidance on the various issues. The sit-and-talk about it in the psych's office practicum won't move things forward enough.
    InOthrWds, what would it mean if people who struggle with stuff could freely air-out their minds to their society of residence?? Get directed thereby to some proper medication. Talk out the truly serious behavioral issues.
    We should note carefully that our relationship with psychological medications is in a state of relatively rapid flux in these years, the early end of the new millenium. We will still look 'medieval' in 2012 to future generations, but it is probable that we can do significantly better than even ten years ago.
    I would wager that most mental health professionals would agree that what they do would be greatly benefitted by a common decentralization of how we care for our fellow humans.
    Nice dream, but so is Never-Never Land.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    I'm not ideological about it, I'm realistic.

    The fantasy is on your side: somehow you believe that if the teachers there had been armed, they would have missed, or panicked and not been able to aim, or some other weird scenario. But in fact the truth is that teachers are among the most responsible of people, so almost certainly the death toll would have stopped at less than five.
    I'm saying that your concept of put guns everywhere and then everyone is safer is stupid. And it is stupid.

    I'm saying that your "solution" to this kind of crime (i.e. having armed people at their normal dayjobs) is still going to result in more deaths and more mistakes and more casualties than simply stopping someone severely mentally ill from buying automatic weapons in the first place.

    And I can tell that you know somewhere in your own internal logic that your position doesn't compute well here because you are breaking your usually good form in debate and you are skirting addressing the things I actually say.

    Why don't I trust the police to protect anyone? Very simple -- it's not their job. At least three federal circuit courts have told them so. The Supreme Court has told them so. They have no responsibility at all to keep me from harm -- besides which, they can't; in every case where a gun has saved my skin or those of friends, all the cops could have done was call an ambulance and hunt for clues.
    So you are suggesting that people utterly untrained in any way (or at least, not really required to be) who keep a gun on a school campus or place of business IS responsible for protecting you or me?

    Logic break again.

    BTW, your last bit shows plainly that you haven't been paying attention, or that you are so blinded by irrationality on one point that you're not seeing what I've actually said.
    You are way off the deep end here and when you get to the point of personal insults I know you've lost your cool.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Nice dream, but so is Never-Never Land.
    You mean that place where armed, responsible, mentally stable, trained marskmen carry their weapons everywhere and stop every crime just as it begins to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm saying that your concept of put guns everywhere and then everyone is safer is stupid. And it is stupid.

    I'm saying that your "solution" to this kind of crime (i.e. having armed people at their normal dayjobs) is still going to result in more deaths and more mistakes and more casualties than simply stopping someone severely mentally ill from buying automatic weapons in the first place.

    And I can tell that you know somewhere in your own internal logic that your position doesn't compute well here because you are breaking your usually good form in debate and you are skirting addressing the things I actually say.



    So you are suggesting that people utterly untrained in any way (or at least, not really required to be) who keep a gun on a school campus or place of business IS responsible for protecting you or me?

    Logic break again.



    You are way off the deep end here and when you get to the point of personal insults I know you've lost your cool.
    The logic break is yours, mostly because you're making stuff up and attacking it rather than what I've said. I'll address just one, because it's the standard liberal flaw in thinking about the world:

    NO ONE is responsible for your protection but you -- period. If you're attacked by someone, you can't blame anyone but yourself for not having with you what it takes to deal with that attack. Sure, you can take the gamble that the statistics will flow your way, but that's not much of a plan.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Two words - pepper spray. Another one - tazer.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Two words - pepper spray. Another one - tazer.
    Word from the cops I know is it takes more training to use a taser than a firearm -- a lot more. I know there was a recent advancement, though, so that may be balancing out. The problem is -- and I've witnessed this -- is that people who aren't exactly in their right minds don't always stop when hit by tasers. A guy living in a utility trailer (uninvited) on this block shrugged when the cops said they were going to taze him, and when the first hit, he just laughed and started walking toward them, so another cop zapped him, and that still didn't take him down.

    Most pepper spray products are useless against attackers with firearms, because long before a defender is in range to use it, he/she is a corpse. OTOH, there have been improvements in paint-gun pepper pellets that look effective now -- something I'd forgotten. Assuming they work in actual paint guns and store well, hanging one in each room of a school would make for an effective defense.

    The fun of it is that teachers could train in their use by using ordinary paint ball guns in activities with students.

    I'd have to do some research, but this is a possible route for schools. It counts as arming teachers, but rather than blood it would just leave light orange spots, and no holes in the facilities. On top of those, the headlines would be depressing to would-be mass shooters:

    SCHOOL LIBRARIAN STOPS SHOOTER WITH PAINT BALL GUN.

    I'd call that a serious psychological deterrent.


    edit: I just remembered one problem with pepper spray -- if the target is wearing contact lenses, its effectiveness is reduced drastically.
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    Well I remember those stories but as for the tazer - most people will go down, even if SOME don't, and as far as the pepper spray, in a well regulated environment, the common thug has no access to guns either, so he's not coming against you with one. He'll, in a well regulated environment he doesn't usually NEED one.

    And you have strong tools of self defense which - when used correctly - don't end lives. I firmly believe that you don't have the right to have your right to chose the means to self-defense infringe on another person's right to live BY DEFAULT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Well I remember those stories but as for the tazer - most people will go down, even if SOME don't, and as far as the pepper spray, in a well regulated environment, the common thug has no access to guns either, so he's not coming against you with one. He'll, in a well regulated environment he doesn't usually NEED one.

    And you have strong tools of self defense which - when used correctly - don't end lives. I firmly believe that you don't have the right to have your right to chose the means to self-defense infringe on another person's right to live BY DEFAULT.
    The moment a person moves in aggression toward someone else with lethal weapons, he has forfeited his right to life. That's implicit in his declaration that the lives of his victims are worthless.

    I did some more digging and apparently the pepper balls are restricted to law enforcement -- military can't use them because of an international convention. That's really ridiculous, because for pepper spray to be really effective the user needs to be within six feet of the attacker -- 'way too close for safety.

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    I do not share your concepts of forfeiting your life. By similar logic, I could say that you have forfeited yours by deciding to live in/walk through a dangerous neighborhood. Neither is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The logic break is yours, mostly because you're making stuff up and attacking it rather than what I've said. I'll address just one, because it's the standard liberal flaw in thinking about the world:
    Kul this is, as I said before, the one topic where your logic completely breaks and ideology takes over. You have an ideological view about the Constitution, and you have an ideological libertarian view about individual rights and responsibilities to the point where you eschew even the police as, as far as I can tell, something you seem to believe scarcely is justified existing at all.

    NO ONE is responsible for your protection but you -- period. If you're attacked by someone, you can't blame anyone but yourself for not having with you what it takes to deal with that attack. Sure, you can take the gamble that the statistics will flow your way, but that's not much of a plan.
    So where does it stop? Should I carry a survivalist pack everywhere with automatic weapons, potassium tablets, biohazard suit and gas mask inside? Should I attend business meetings in kevlar chainmail?

    Don't bring up logic in this discussion anymore Kul. It's embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I do not share your concepts of forfeiting your life. By similar logic, I could say that you have forfeited yours by deciding to live in/walk through a dangerous neighborhood. Neither is true.
    There's nothing similar at all about that logic. By walking through a dangerous neighborhood, how have I declared plainly that human lives are of no worth?

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    Kul this is, as I said before, the one topic where your logic completely breaks and ideology takes over. You have an ideological view about the Constitution, and you have an ideological libertarian view about individual rights and responsibilities to the point where you eschew even the police as, as far as I can tell, something you seem to believe scarcely is justified existing at all.
    Not at all. As an example, your assertion about the police: how, by stating the legal situation in the United States as declared by federal courts including the Supreme Court, am I "eschewing" the police, etc.?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So where does it stop? Should I carry a survivalist pack everywhere with automatic weapons, potassium tablets, biohazard suit and gas mask inside? Should I attend business meetings in kevlar chainmail?

    Don't bring up logic in this discussion anymore Kul. It's embarrassing.
    The one being embarrassed is you. You're not listening, and the only thing I can figure is that what you're responding to isn't my reasoning, but some caricature you have in your mind, a sort of cartoon based on . . . nothing of substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    There's nothing similar at all about that logic. By walking through a dangerous neighborhood, how have I declared plainly that human lives are of no worth?
    You have declared that YOURS is of no worth. Obviously you don't care about it enough to choose a safer area.

    And you cherry pick which posts to respond to, while ignoring the ones you have no answer to. It's the Springer approach to arguing.
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    You have declared that YOURS is of no worth. Obviously you don't care about it enough to choose a safer area.
    You're grasping at straws. The action of walking where I like says nothing about the value of human life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And you cherry pick which posts to respond to, while ignoring the ones you have no answer to. It's the Springer approach to arguing.
    LOL

    I've answered about every post in this thread.

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    Maybe this one, but I do keep track of my own posts that remain with no answer.

    And for the THIRD time - not "life" in general. Which part of a caps-locked "YOURS" did you not grasp? If I reach into a beehive with a bare hand, I have declared that it's ok for me to be stung.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Maybe this one, but I do keep track of my own posts that remain with no answer.

    And for the THIRD time - not "life" in general. Which part of a caps-locked "YOURS" did you not grasp? If I reach into a beehive with a bare hand, I have declared that it's ok for me to be stung.
    Bees are not equal to humans.

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    Seriously? This is what we got out of the comparison?

    People's lives don't stop mattering because you have imagined natural laws that say so. Just because it might be easier for you to kill someone who is threatening you, doesn't give you some imaginary moral right to do so. You have their blood on your hands just the same and you are responsible for not finding a solution that left both of you alive. It is as simple as that. Saying "he has forfeited his life by attacking me" doesn't make it so, it's just baseless feel good justification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Seriously? This is what we got out of the comparison?

    People's lives don't stop mattering because you have imagined natural laws that say so. Just because it might be easier for you to kill someone who is threatening you, doesn't give you some imaginary moral right to do so. You have their blood on your hands just the same and you are responsible for not finding a solution that left both of you alive. It is as simple as that. Saying "he has forfeited his life by attacking me" doesn't make it so, it's just baseless feel good justification.
    "Imagined"?

    Reason should be our guide. The only reason I have to respect someone else's life is because they respect mine. The moment they show they no longer respect mine, they have cancelled that contract; by showing they consider my life worthless, they declare their own to be worthless.


    "Feel good"? That applies to your position. I don't feel good about it at all; if anything I'm sad. But I'm not going to increase the evil in the world by surrendering my life to a murderer.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    No, instead you'll increase it by taking his.

    All this lofty talk of contracts and respect for life boils down to willingness to kill other people if it fits your ideas of "it's justified".

    And ultimately, it is incredibly selfish.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    All this lofty talk of contracts and respect for life boils down to willingness to kill other people if it fits your ideas of "it's justified".
    There goes your unwillingness to be rational again. Throw away the crystal ball -- it doesn't work.

    I began with the question of when it's legitimate to kill. Beginning with reality, the only time it's legitimate to kill is when the other person has given permission to do so. That's exactly what happens when someone initiates violence against another person, because in a community of persons rights function according to contract -- that's the only way human interaction proceeds.

    As for whether it fits my "ideas", well, from the way you argue you must mean my emotions, my gut feelings. On that, you're dead wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No, instead you'll increase it by taking his.

    All this lofty talk of contracts and respect for life boils down to willingness to kill other people if it fits your ideas of "it's justified".

    And ultimately, it is incredibly selfish.
    If you think it's selfish, maybe you should volunteer to be a target next time some nut case wants people to shoot.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    You know, you've been throwing that accusation in every post for a while now - that we're all (or me in particular) basing it all on emotion and irrationality.

    I'll just point out that this is a very similar argument to the one Henry uses lately - liberals are just irrational, can't be argued with, it all goes over their head...

    You and I come from two opposing worldviews. In mine, it is a proven fact that when there is strict gun control across the board, gun deaths drop drastically. In yours, not only does the evidence somehow "not count" because "this is the States", but also gun control implies some imagined loss of freedom that nobody in the civilized world seems to be perceiving as such, yet you are quick to call us all "sheep" and "slaves". For which you're yet to apologize by the way.

    So accusing me of being emotional is just pointless and a waste of posting space. I am not emotional at all. I just see a different world, and care about life more than I care about a fear of the government and random acts of violence.

    Oh, and something about selfishness. We are all selfish. If it's gonna be my life or somebody else's, I will always chose mine probably. But that's not the point. We don't make the laws as individuals, but as society. And for the society, if your accidental death - or mine - because we didn't have a gun to defend ourselves, means a class of children gets to live because that particular psychopath didn't find a gun either, then that's more than a fair trade. The lower - VASTLY lower - risk of gun attacks is balanced by the fact that if it DOES happen, you don't have a murder weapon to defend yourself with. Then you have to depend on pepper sprays and tazers, or baseball bats (depending on your size), BUT the criminal is just as likely as you to not be armed with a gun in such a society. So yes, selfishness is our default setting, but I believe society as a whole suffers from it. And since we aren't living alone deep in the forest, but IN society, what's bad for society is ultimately bad for us, despite the illusion of more safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You know, you've been throwing that accusation in every post for a while now - that we're all (or me in particular) basing it all on emotion and irrationality.

    I'll just point out that this is a very similar argument to the one Henry uses lately - liberals are just irrational, can't be argued with, it all goes over their head...
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    Jeezus on a pogo stick!

    My Gawd!

    As a Mod I've discovered that nobody likes you anymore.

    The Moderators don't like you (except maybe one), the "15 %" have never liked you, and now the "85%" seriously think that you now need both a dick in your mouth and YOUR ass.

    Of course we say that often...

    And Santa still didn't personally provide for me the chance1/JayHawk fuck fest DVD in my stocking that I was hoping for.

    And is it any wonder WHY JayHawk "denies the sex tape?"

    And as intelligent as I know that you are, I'm pretty sure that you're too young, to self absorbed, and to "educated" to have the first clue as to what I'm sharing with you.

    Other than the fact that you need to get a Gawd Damned sense of humor, and stop taking yourself, and your opinion so fucking serious!




    We could have handled this discussion in the Ask The Moderators Forum, but you've already laid out your expectations, boundaries, and parameters in that forum in regard to how you expect to "moderated" in this forum.

    Well....when in comes to centexfarmer, you need to get down on your knees and pray to whatever God that you pray to, that my friends never find out exactly where you live.

    Because when we do you'll learn a whole new vocabulary; "gentrication," "castle doctrine," and so many other subjects and topics that you only THINK that you have the first CLUE about.

    You need to get with the program here Becky.

    American Politics is a FULL CONTACT SPORT, to be a member of this Democratic Republic you have to be able to defend that which you would spend a life time, screaming at the top of your lungs oppossing, their right to piss you off.

    If for no other reason.

    But your views, your opinion, your perspective, and your back ground, DOES NOT give you more sway over another.



    So here's and "x-mas" present for you; some of the best advice that was ever shared with me in my life?

    Think 10x's, then share, speak, and post...once.

    IF AT ALL!

    I will gladly take your ass out.






    But...for 2013 you are, along with some of the other sadistic assholes who post here everyday, are no longer going to be subjugated by an individual Moderator of this forum.

    That's my CE&P Moderator Resolution for the New Year.

    And if THAT get's me dismissed as a Volunteer Moderator of JUB, and CE&P in particular, I'll be happy to go out with guns blazing.
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    Well....when in comes to centexfarmer, you need to get down on your knees and pray to whatever God that you pray to, ....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_religion

    But your views, your opinion, your perspective, and your back ground, DOES NOT give you more sway over another.
    Is that so?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism

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    I'm confused.

    Care to elaborate from you're own personal perspective?

    IOW, put it into your own words.
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    I volunteer for the BJ and the nice ass fucking that Rolyo needs. I am closer and will work for next to nothing.. (just peanuts for my elephant)

    I will need airfare.

    So who is in?

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    Am I late?

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    I'm confused.

    Care to elaborate from you're own personal perspective?

    IOW, put it into your own words.
    The quoted is the summation of yours.

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    But of course if we are all to save some money this holiday season then i suggest we simply get him a happy meal. The toy that comes with them is fucking awesome...

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    Am I late?
    As always, but you showed and that's always important.
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    As always, but you showed and that's always important.
    Hey, I be battling other demons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    But of course if we are all to save some money this holiday season then i suggest we simply get him a happy meal. The toy that comes with them is fucking awesome...

    JackSpringer started this thread, so it's his call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    The quoted is the summation of yours.
    Breath...

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    JackSpringer started this thread, so it's his call.
    I offered Christmas cookies and suggested listening to Christmas carols ... but was slammed down ... as usual.

    You all are welcome to take his willie wonker for a spin -- but not sure that will do it.

    I wash my hands. (sorry if I offended an atheist .... not )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I offered Christmas cookies and suggested listening to Christmas carols ... but was slammed down ... as usual.

    You all are welcome to take his willie wonker for a spin -- but not sure that will do it.

    I wash my hands. (sorry if I offended an atheist .... not )
    And who would ever claim to be from "Bulgaria" without showing some Bulge?

    And on a Gay Porn discussion forum!

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