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    Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Almost all the recent mass shootings have one thing in common -- young men with serious mental illness problems.

    The discussion so far to stop these killings has been to ban guns or at least assault weapons. However, I think there is much more cause to review how we treat the idea of mental illness in our society.

    Maybe Reagan went too far in the 1980's in cutting back on mental health support by the federal government. However, from what I understand most state hospitals were no more than dirty, unprofessional, prisons for the mentally ill -- places where most were not getting the care and education they needed.

    The US has tried to mainstream many with mental problems -- a good and honorable thing to do -- however, that may or may not be the proper thing to do.

    I came across a blog from the mother of a mentally ill son. She has few solutions available to her in getting help for her son -- the solution proposed by a social worker was "to get Michael charged with a crime."

    I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am James Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

    According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-shootings-map). Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.
    Have we become so PC is America to certain issues that we cannot look at issues like mental illness with an open mind without feeling that we are judging and being unfair to those that have mental illness.

    I'm not calling for all people with mental illness to be locked up. I'm saying that maybe we've gone too far in mainstreaming all those with mental illness and now lack the ability to look at some with mental illness as distractive and violent.

    If we are going to have a discussion about the causes of mass killing -- this issue needs to be at the top of the discussion list -- if it's not -- we're not being serious.

    This is the blog that I'm referring to:

    http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.c...thinkable.html

    Please don't make this thread about guns -- there are several already.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    We always say someone is mentally ill after they have done something horrendous but before that happens, they are just like millions of other people, they have good days and bad days and but there may have been something on their bad day or when they were feeling down and out that set them off. Also, doctors are not that hard to fool if you yourself don't think you have a problem, you can tell them what you want them to hear and they will say nothing is wrong. What if this guy was seeing someone for help but after a session one day he was just out of it and then went on a rampage, then what? A lot of people don't' stick out, they are loners, but so are a lot of gay people when they are in the closet, they keep to themselves, may be secretive to their families because they are afraid to be found out so its just hard to say someone is ill if they are not obsessed with violent games or movies. Meds help a lot of people but I think it also hurts a lot people but no one will come out and say that. Just because a pill works for one person, it may have devastating effects on others.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    It is the sad and quite related situation. Even if the shooter in CT had all the access in the world to mental health care as CT is an insured state for those without and his parents had covering insurance and he was in contact with help.

    The sad part of all of this is the fact that no matter how much blame we place at the feet of mental illness there is one party in America who does not believe Americans -- all Americans -- should have easy access to health care. It is a free giveaway to the layabouts in America whose votes are bought with gifts from the government.

    So how do you propose the loverly solution to the mental health crisis be implemented Jack?

    There is a process already there for everyone to have healthcare ...including mental health care. Except one party is continually blocking it's implementation. perhaps if that one party pulled its head out of its ass they could help develop a world class health care system that benefits all - especially those in need.

    then maybe we can give the new system cute little labels like PC or Obamacare.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Have we become so PC is America to certain issues that we cannot look at issues like mental illness with an open mind without feeling that we are judging and being unfair to those that have mental illness.

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    In a word, YES. The cancer of political correctness is so pervasive in society that we are no longer able to be honest with each other lest we offend, or appear to offend. We can't call a problem a problem. Oh, no, we have to call it an "issue" because that somehow sounds nicer. We can't use the word "retarded" to refer to the retarded. And the list goes on.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Almost all the recent mass shootings have one thing in common -- young men with serious mental illness problems.

    The discussion so far to stop these killings has been to ban guns or at least assault weapons. However, I think there is much more cause to review how we treat the idea of mental illness in our society.

    Maybe Reagan went too far in the 1980's in cutting back on mental health support by the federal government. However, from what I understand most state hospitals were no more than dirty, unprofessional, prisons for the mentally ill -- places where most were not getting the care and education they needed.

    The US has tried to mainstream many with mental problems -- a good and honorable thing to do -- however, that may or may not be the proper thing to do.
    Anybody remember Thomas Eagleton (George McGovern's first running mate in 1972)? His candidacy was deemed unacceptable because he sought out psychiatric help. I would have considered it to be a good idea.

    There is a book (and a movie) - Ordinary People. The big problem was not that the boy was mentally unstable, but the social stigma of getting psychiatric help was unacceptable to his mother... what would the neighbors have thought?

    When I taught seventh grade English, I had a boy who seemed to be out of touch with his feelings, as it were. After reading a tragic short-story, while my class was saddened by what had happened, the boy in question thought it was funny. Offhandedly, I asked him what was happening in his life. He told me that he wanted to live with his father but after an ugly custody battle, he ended up with Mom. I alerted the counseling dept. (less useful than a handful of shit) but my warnings went unheeded. The boy ended up torching his mother's house.

    In many instances, it appears that gun control is unrealistic. Too often, we are looking for simple answers to painfully difficult problems.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    In many instances, it appears that gun control is unrealistic. Too often, we are looking for simple answers to painfully difficult problems.
    I agree that there is no simple answer that will enable any society, anywhere on this planet to take action that will prevent these horrendous acts of violence that appear to test our resolve to become a more humane society.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    In a word, YES. The cancer of political correctness is so pervasive in society that we are no longer able to be honest with each other lest we offend, or appear to offend. We can't call a problem a problem. Oh, no, we have to call it an "issue" because that somehow sounds nicer. We can't use the word "retarded" to refer to the retarded. And the list goes on.
    I believe that you are creating a red herring to serve a political agenda for offensive words, such as retarded are over used particularly by those whose social relations skills and professional competence to decide who is retarded is highly questionable.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Almost all the recent mass shootings have one thing in common -- young men with serious mental illness problems.

    The discussion so far to stop these killings has been to ban guns or at least assault weapons. However, I think there is much more cause to review how we treat the idea of mental illness in our society.

    Maybe Reagan went too far in the 1980's in cutting back on mental health support by the federal government. However, from what I understand most state hospitals were no more than dirty, unprofessional, prisons for the mentally ill -- places where most were not getting the care and education they needed.

    The US has tried to mainstream many with mental problems -- a good and honorable thing to do -- however, that may or may not be the proper thing to do.

    I came across a blog from the mother of a mentally ill son. She has few solutions available to her in getting help for her son -- the solution proposed by a social worker was "to get Michael charged with a crime."



    Have we become so PC is America to certain issues that we cannot look at issues like mental illness with an open mind without feeling that we are judging and being unfair to those that have mental illness.

    I'm not calling for all people with mental illness to be locked up. I'm saying that maybe we've gone too far in mainstreaming all those with mental illness and now lack the ability to look at some with mental illness as distractive and violent.

    If we are going to have a discussion about the causes of mass killing -- this issue needs to be at the top of the discussion list -- if it's not -- we're not being serious.

    This is the blog that I'm referring to:

    http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.c...thinkable.html

    Please don't make this thread about guns -- there are several already.
    I posted that story in the "NRA is a Domestic Terrorist Group" thread, Telstra was the only one of you to respond.
    So, I guess it is better late than never.

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    I've been hearing just about everyone on MSNBC saying that mental illness is to be helped first.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post

    I've been hearing just about everyone on MSNBC saying that mental illness is to be helped first.
    I can relate to my experience knowing a gay serial murderer when I was a student living in London, England and a regular visitor at a gay bar called The Embassy Club which doubled as a restaurant where through a British friend I got to know a very young, highly attractive Italian (Michele Lupo) who I had the hots for, but fortunately for my life's safety I never succeeded in pulling into my bed.

    Michele Lupo had the face of an angel, and butter would not melt in his mouth or so it appeared to all who knew him.

    Michele would die in a British prison from AIDS a convicted murderer of at least 16 gay men with whom he had slept and murdered in their sleep. He had murdered in London, Paris and Amsterdam for the police in all three cities eventually connected him with additional murders maybe as high as forty.

    I met Michele on many occasions over drinks, and enjoyed pleasant conversation and would never have suspected that this person was a mass murderer.

    Michele was the boy next door type whose mental health issues were concealed even from his best friend, another Italian whom I knew very well and who admitted to me that he would never have guessed that Michele could be capable of mass murder.

    Here is Michele's story as told by a UK newspaper article which at the time of the story's publication was to speak of four murders, when later police investigations confirmed that he had killed some 16 gay men in London, and arguably many more in Paris, and Amsterdam. This murderer was no more than 5 feet 4 ins tall with a slight build whose killing spree took place when his sex partners slept.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/se...l-1573604.html

    an additional article that is fuller:

    http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lupo-michael.htm

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    I believe that you are creating a red herring to serve a political agenda for offensive words, such as retarded are over used particularly by those whose social relations skills and professional competence to decide who is retarded is highly questionable.
    Bovine excreta. Retarded is retarded, no matter how you dress it up; a problem is a problem, and calling it an 'issue' doesn't change anthing.

    "He who dares not offend can never be honest."

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Jesus Christ in a cracker.

    All I've heard and read for the last four days is about how mental illness must be addressed in the US.

    It isn't a fucking elephant in the room.

    It must be stunningly obvious...even to the thickest mind out there....that going on a shooting binge in a school is the sign of a disturbed mental state.

    There are no easy answers with mental illness. There is no absolute predictor of a psychotic break. To be frank, there are some days when a few of the posters on this board write stuff that makes me wonder how close they are to some act of violence.

    But as has been pointed out...a huge problem with the mental health system in the US is access to therapy and medications.

    So Jack. It isn't that it is political correctness that is the issue here...it is the political incorrectness of not addressing the issue of better healthcare for everyone in the US.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Bovine excreta. Retarded is retarded, no matter how you dress it up; a problem is a problem, and calling it an 'issue' doesn't change anthing.

    "He who dares not offend can never be honest."

    All I would say is that if offensive is the yardstick for honesty...you would surely be regarded as one of the most 'honest' people on this forum.

    But it isn't.

    And isn't it bizarre that someone who can lump real individuals with a broad spectrum of mental health conditions into the category of 'retarded' uses the phrase 'Bovine excreta' because you apparently can't call it for what it is.

    So let me.

    'Bullshit'

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Bovine excreta. Retarded is retarded, no matter how you dress it up; a problem is a problem, and calling it an 'issue' doesn't change anthing.

    "He who dares not offend can never be honest."
    I am not a psychologist and therefore not professionally qualified to determine who is retarded, and who is not.

    An easy willingness to offend people speaks more to a lack of patience, and understanding of alternative points of view, and perhaps indicates that those who so enthusiastically seek to offend others are themselves lacking sufficient education, and civilised manners to be able enunciate their opinions without resorting to abusive behaviour.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    The mass murder problem isn't due to mental illness or the lack of treatment for it available in the USA (although that is a huge problem).

    There are just as many mentally disturbed people in other countries, but they don't grab assault weapons and wipe out masses of school children. (And Adam Lanza came from a rich family which could have afforded therapy).

    The problem is a culture of violence in the USA, which teaches that guns are a quick and powerful solution to life's problems. They're not. If Mrs. Lanza had not felt it wonderful to maintain an inventory of killing machines, this tragedy would never have happened.

    I'm a huge advocate of better treatment for the mentally ill (which is every one of us, BTW). But that is not the problem here.



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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    An easy willingness to offend people speaks more to a lack of patience, .
    Utter nonsense. Whatever happened to plain speech? For that matter, when did we lose the ability to be honest with each other?
    Answer: the onset of political correctness in a society where so many people wear their so-called feelings on their shoulders just waiting for some real or imaginary offense.

    Offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    Utter nonsense. Whatever happened to plain speech? For that matter, when did we lose the ability to be honest with each other?
    Answer: the onset of political correctness in a society where so many people wear their so-called feelings on their shoulders just waiting for some real or imaginary offense.

    Offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder.
    It's also in the social skills of the offender. And many people confuse offensiveness with honesty. Just because you're not afraid to say something racist, doesn't make racism true...
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Utter nonsense. Whatever happened to plain speech? For that matter, when did we lose the ability to be honest with each other?
    Answer: the onset of political correctness in a society where so many people wear their so-called feelings on their shoulders just waiting for some real or imaginary offense.

    Offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder.
    You see, Reardon.

    If I were totally honest about what I think of you and your opinions, I wouldn't be allowed to post here.

    If you were palin spoken and totally honest about what you really think of all kinds of things and people here, you wouldn't likely be allowed to post here any more.

    Kind of a Mexican stand-off....isn't it?

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    I'll go so far as to say that I'd like to see people with violent mental illnesses locked up.

    Here's a good article:

    http://www2.canada.com/edmontonjourn...f9567f8e7b&p=1

    with a quote from the mother of a murderer
    For his family, it seemed next to impossible to get him long-term psychiatric help, even after doctors noted his "homicidal ideation" in his medical records.
    He assaulted his father, and was briefly jailed. Later, on a separate occasion, he attacked his mother.
    "He had no idea why he'd done it. He wasn't angry at me. The thought just entered his head," says Huot.
    She called 911. Eventually, the police found Haldane and took him to hospital, where he was admitted to the psych ward.
    "He called me the next day to say they were releasing him. But nobody from the hospital would speak to me about why," she recalls.
    "We were struggling so much. We were begging for help and no one would give it. I know there's no good and easy solution. But when somebody's clearly violent -- and Haldane was -- there should be a means by which that person can be forced into treatment. Instead, we pretend people are rational when they're not. We give them an autonomy they can't handle."
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post

    If I were totally honest about what I think of you and your opinions, I wouldn't be allowed to post here.
    Too bad you can't be honest, and for the record, I don't give a flip what you think. I don't know you at all and therefore what you sa is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    If you were palin spoken and totally honest about what you really think of all kinds of things and people here, you wouldn't likely be allowed to post here any more.

    ?
    "Palin" spoken. LOL. As it happens, I am plain spoken and say exactly what I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I'll go so far as to say that I'd like to see people with violent mental illnesses locked up.

    Here's a good article:

    http://www2.canada.com/edmontonjourn...f9567f8e7b&p=1

    with a quote from the mother of a murderer
    According to Breitbart which has links to CT state government documents a law was recently defeated in part by the ACLU because that could infringe on someones rights.

    Unfortunately that would have helped nothing as Lanza so far appears to have never been determined to be violent by any mental health professional. SO it is a red herring for the massacre in Newtown but the conversation is pertinent to this discussion of mental health.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    "Palin" spoken. LOL. As it happens, I am plain spoken and say exactly what I think.
    No I think RB had it correct you are quite Palin spoken.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Words have the power to hurt -- only if you let them.

    I learned at a very young age that what people said were just words, so much hot air if you will. The only ones whose words mattered were those who I knew well and for whose opinions I had some respect. Others didn't matter. You'd be surprised how quickly the 'bully' types shut up when their insults fall on deaf ears.

    And no, you don't use words like retarded in front of, to, and about the retarded. That's just good manners. On the other hand there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying them to third parties in discussions..

    The cancer of political correctness is making it more and more impossible for people to communicate accuratedly and completely.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And no, you don't use words like retarded in front of, to, and about the retarded. That's just good manners. On the other hand there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying them to third parties in discussions..
    I'm sorry but that's hideous manners. The manners of hypocrisy. If you can't say something to someone's face, you really shouldn't say it.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I suppose using the N word is ok if you don't do it in front of black folks...
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    ^ I have no doubt that 'Reardon' does all the time.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Are we still taking Henry's comments seriously?
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    The way we treat mental illness in this country is appalling and Reagan does get a good chunk of that blame. Kennedy may have ended the institution of mental hospitals [I feel that Rosemary Kennedy had a lot to do with that] but Reagan gutted the funding for mental health at the federal level. Now on private insurance, if you actually have insurance, it is so cost prohibitive that most people don't seek treatment and many only do so at the request of someone else aka "forced".

    I could ramble on but I will say, Obama doesn't have the balls and Republicans don't care to help people with mental disorders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Bovine excreta. Retarded is retarded, no matter how you dress it up; a problem is a problem, and calling it an 'issue' doesn't change anthing.

    "He who dares not offend can never be honest."
    "Retarded" is a useless word because it dumps together a broad range of actual issues into one place. It's kind of like giving the label "messed up" to all accounting errors that result in an incorrect sum: it doesn't specify the problem.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    The way we treat mental illness in this country is appalling and Reagan does get a good chunk of that blame. Kennedy may have ended the institution of mental hospitals [I feel that Rosemary Kennedy had a lot to do with that] but Reagan gutted the funding for mental health at the federal level. Now on private insurance, if you actually have insurance, it is so cost prohibitive that most people don't seek treatment and many only do so at the request of someone else aka "forced".
    And even if you have good private insurance, you'll probably have to wait three or four months for actual care in an in-patient facility.

    How we treat mental illness in this country is a shame in terms of the Second Amendment. Here we are, supposed to have a militia of all able-bodied, but no one has paid any attention to able-minded, which was also part of the militia concept. At the very least, we need a system of reporting people who have shown they aren't fit for the militia so they can't obtain items for destruction. But we ought also to have a robust mental health system so that people aren't neglected until it's too late. They say that one in seventeen Americans suffers from a severe mental illness, and one in eight from a moderate one. Since the citizenry is the source for soldiers when we need them, it makes sense from the point of the security of our free state to have a system to keep as many as possible stable and competent enough to be a useful part of the general militia.

    Now, that view will be shocking, but I don't think it's any more shocking than the fact that we haven't built an extensive system of just basic mental health care just out of common decency. We shouldn't have had to reach this point because of repeated tragedy, or even out of a thorough approach to military readiness, we should have reached it because it's obvious that people whose brains have weird chemistry or structure or whatever so that their minds don't function well for dealing with the world need our help.

    I don't think it's nearly as taboo now to talk about mental illness as it was in Reagan's time. I've heard it mentioned as something needed to deal with the shooting situations, on ABC, BBC America, CBS, NBC, and our local Fox station. Obama came out and said it. Some Republican congresscritter in the tube said it. And I notice that when I was first diagnosed as bipolar, knowing that made people nervous, but now they (even redneck types) just nod at the information.

    So in a way I think the contrary to the thread question is the case: I think we're "PC enough" that now we can talk about it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    I can relate to my experience knowing a gay serial murderer when I was a student living in London, England and a regular visitor at a gay bar called The Embassy Club which doubled as a restaurant where through a British friend I got to know a very young, highly attractive Italian (Michele Lupo) who I had the hots for, but fortunately for my life's safety I never succeeded in pulling into my bed.

    Michele Lupo had the face of an angel, and butter would not melt in his mouth or so it appeared to all who knew him.

    Michele would die in a British prison from AIDS a convicted murderer of at least 16 gay men with whom he had slept and murdered in their sleep. He had murdered in London, Paris and Amsterdam for the police in all three cities eventually connected him with additional murders maybe as high as forty.

    I met Michele on many occasions over drinks, and enjoyed pleasant conversation and would never have suspected that this person was a mass murderer.

    Michele was the boy next door type whose mental health issues were concealed even from his best friend, another Italian whom I knew very well and who admitted to me that he would never have guessed that Michele could be capable of mass murder.

    Here is Michele's story as told by a UK newspaper article which at the time of the story's publication was to speak of four murders, when later police investigations confirmed that he had killed some 16 gay men in London, and arguably many more in Paris, and Amsterdam. This murderer was no more than 5 feet 4 ins tall with a slight build whose killing spree took place when his sex partners slept.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/se...l-1573604.html

    an additional article that is fuller:

    http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lupo-michael.htm
    That is so sad. He was a good looking man. Of all the guys I knew who had the AIDS virus were not like that. In Houston in the 80s there was an article in the paper of a guy going around spreading the virus, but he was caught before he did much damage.
    That definitely a mental problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Are we still taking Henry's comments seriously?
    Well, actually i don't think that we've ever taken his opinion 'seriously'.

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    @kuli

    I know for a fact that the hardest part about entering any military academy in the US is not the physical exam or your academic record but the psychological exam. Psychological reasons are the #1 reason people get rejected from the academies and the military.

    Considering nearly every adult will suffer a major depressive episode in their lifetime (usually at the passing of a loved one), they will probably need some sort of therapy to deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    You see, Reardon.

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    If you were palin spoken and totally honest about what you really think of all kinds of things and people here, you wouldn't likely be allowed to post here any more.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Another chance of a serious discussion turned into a mess.

    Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another chance of a serious discussion turned into a mess.

    Thanks guys.
    Seriously? You call a topic blaming POLITICAL CORRECTNESS a "chance for serious discussion"? Do you use sense-check before you post?
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Mental illness determines why they attack.

    Gun control determines how many die as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Seriously? You call a topic blaming POLITICAL CORRECTNESS a "chance for serious discussion"? Do you use sense-check before you post?
    I didn't expect you to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Seriously? You call a topic blaming POLITICAL CORRECTNESS a "chance for serious discussion"? Do you use sense-check before you post?
    Certainly. Politcal correctness is a pervasive cancer that has disrupted people's ability to honestly and forthrightly communicate with each other. Until it is banished from the land, there isn't a lot of hope for change.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Jack it's not an either or thing - it's a both thing

    as it relates to mental illness ........ civil liberties is partially to blame

    proving someone is dangerous to themselves or others is difficult

    as we try to protect individual rights

    a friend works at creedmore, a place for .......... disturbed people - he's a psychiatrist - he's been attacked a few x

    many are let out way before they should be says he

    slippery slope

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Certainly. Politcal correctness is a pervasive cancer that has disrupted people's ability to honestly and forthrightly communicate with each other. Until it is banished from the land, there isn't a lot of hope for change.
    Your own example proves you wrong, Henry. The use of the word "retarded" is a broad brush thing that would presumably encapsulate those with Downs Syndrome, cerebral palsy, and a myriad of other conditions, many of which may in no way impair brain function or intelligence. "Retarded", rather than being effective communication, is just a dumbed-down way of referring to things you do not, or choose not, to properly understand.

    Rather like the tendency of some to call people "fag" as a term of derision, regardless of whether that person is a homosexual or not.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Your own example proves you wrong, Henry. The use of the word "retarded" is a broad brush thing that would presumably encapsulate those with Downs Syndrome, cerebral palsy, and a myriad of other conditions, many of which may in no way impair brain function or intelligence. "Retarded", rather than being effective communication, is just a dumbed-down way of referring to things you do not, or choose not, to properly understand.

    Rather like the tendency of some to call people "fag" as a term of derision, regardless of whether that person is a homosexual or not.
    Total nonsense.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    It would appear that every news program i watch is talking about the mental health issue. Byond that it would appear leadership is leading...

    At a minimum it makes the thread a joke because all the programs from the outset have discussed the mental health aspect. At most the first and last post should have been "No, Jack it is not"

    Try to read something more than whatever it is your reading because your missing the world around ya bud.
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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Keep in mind,the mentally ill are far more likely to be victims of violent crimes then not.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Your own example proves you wrong, Henry. The use of the word "retarded" is a broad brush thing that would presumably encapsulate those with Downs Syndrome, cerebral palsy, and a myriad of other conditions, many of which may in no way impair brain function or intelligence. "Retarded", rather than being effective communication, is just a dumbed-down way of referring to things you do not, or choose not, to properly understand.

    Rather like the tendency of some to call people "fag" as a term of derision, regardless of whether that person is a homosexual or not.
    There is definitely a determination on the part of abusers, to insult those whom they believe deserve their abusive attention and their choice of words evidences this fact of life.

    Choice of language reflects much more on those who utilise insulting language, than on those victims who are on the receiving of verbal abuse and choose not to repay with the same coin by remaining silent. Such silence is not weakness, nor stupidity rather strength under fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    It would appear that every news program i watch is talking about the mental health issue. Byond that it would appear leadership is leading...



    At a minimum it makes the thread a joke because all the programs from the outset have discussed the mental health aspect. At most the first and last post should have been "No, Jack it is not"

    Try to read something more than whatever it is your reading because your missing the world around ya bud.
    MSNBC went on an almost immediate call for gun control after the shootings. It reminded me a little of the shooting in New Mexico where liberal saint Keith Obermann starting blaming Sarah Palin for the shootings.

    There were also pickets at the WH hours after the shooting calling for gun control. I would expect there were some who cheered at the horrible shooting because it gave them the opportunity to outlaw guns.

    You're being disingenuous if you think the media action was directed toward mental illness and not gun control -- if mental illness was the top subject -- why isn't there a call in Congress to debate mental illness and violence.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    The problem is Jack...that the two things are not mutually exclusive and you and some of the other reactionaries seem to believe they are.

    We need to keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill. There is a way to do this with better gun control.

    You and the NRA are more likely to use magical thinking, whereby if only all the mentally ill in the US could be cured, or better still locked up, it would allow the rest of the country to have a full arsenal of weapons that no man, woman or child in the US needs in order to protect their 2nd ammendment rights.

    And the worst part is, you are one of the millions and millions in the US who don't want to provide adequate health services to all those who may need them.

    All you want is some sterile and meaningless debate around mental illness in Congress that by your own definition of the limits of the Federal government, would lead absolutely nowhere, since the biggest issue would be funding.

    So you see, you really don't have the intellectual or moral authority to be arguing that the media don't have this right.

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    ^^^

    ... and you have that intellectual and moral authority to tell me and others what rights we have. Gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    ... and you have that intellectual and moral authority to tell me and others what rights we have. Gotcha.
    This is a valid observation understanding that none of us is equipped with the moral authority to be able judge others, less worthy or, undeserving even, while appreciating that there is a need to be very patient with those who clearly grant themselves rights that they would deny others, judging them unworthy.

    I, also, stand guilty and am learning a little more each day.

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    Re: Is America too PC to Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Your own example proves you wrong, Henry. The use of the word "retarded" is a broad brush thing that would presumably encapsulate those with Downs Syndrome, cerebral palsy, and a myriad of other conditions, many of which may in no way impair brain function or intelligence. "Retarded", rather than being effective communication, is just a dumbed-down way of referring to things you do not, or choose not, to properly understand.

    Rather like the tendency of some to call people "fag" as a term of derision, regardless of whether that person is a homosexual or not.
    You are getting lost in the details, all the while ignoring the larger picture.


    It is an indisuptable fact that society has been dumbed down and corrupted by political correctness to the point that people are "afraid" to talk openly about many subjects for fear of "offending" someone. This is a very real propblem because so many people, expecially the uber liberals are waiting (perhaps, hoping) to be offended. They seem to get off on it, and that is a sad commentary on the state of discourse today.

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