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    Even if we get a deal it will still be only a drop in the bucket for the national debt overall. It still will grow, it's still a ticking time bomb. If we can't even do a partial solution without all the crap, how are we going to deal with permanent structural reform?
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    That is why i hope democrats hold and we go over the cliff. Otherwise it is simply kicking the can down the road
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That is why i hope democrats hold and we go over the cliff. Otherwise it is simply kicking the can down the road
    they're not mutually exclusive

    doing a s/t $250k or 400K or 500k deal now doesn't meant the other doesn't happen

    plus it would be put people's minds at ease as it relates to their s/t paycheck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Even if we get a deal it will still be only a drop in the bucket for the national debt overall. It still will grow, it's still a ticking time bomb. If we can't even do a partial solution without all the crap, how are we going to deal with permanent structural reform?
    It's inevitable when multiple independently elected inter-partisan organs of government must meet in absolute agreement.

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    ^ what is "absolute" agreement ?

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    I agree we should pass what we can to minimize any damage from not coming to an overall agreement. I still think 1 million should be the benchmark, not $250,000 or even $500,000. Revenue fairness isn't going to bring in such a big gusher of money to make much of a difference on the debt or deficit. Republicans have to accept though bringing in more revenue through tax loophole closures and even marginal rate changes. Defense also has to be substantially reformed...not gutted but serious savings have to come from the budget. Same goes for Democratic pet programs... we have to slow growth and prioritize and truly reform how our services are delivered. Nobody on the right or left will be thrilled but we cannot allow ideologues to harm our future any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    they're not mutually exclusive

    doing a s/t $250k or 400K or 500k deal now doesn't meant the other doesn't happen

    plus it would be put people's minds at ease as it relates to their s/t paycheck
    I agree technically they are not mutually exclusive. The only reason the republicans are at the table is because of the massively bad implications of the so called cliff. Once it is kicked down the road so will any desire to act. On both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ what is "absolute" agreement ?
    When one party rules and the other refuses to take up legislation with out a majority or the majority then there can be no absolute agreement... so then we will kick the can until republicans are defeated in 2014. OR republicans gain more ground and the obstruction reaches unprecedented levels
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    When one party rules and the other refuses to take up legislation with out a majority or the majority then there can be no absolute agreement... so then we will kick the can until republicans are defeated in 2014. OR republicans gain more ground and the obstruction reaches unprecedented levels
    you seem to be of the opinion that democratic control of the house and senate would be a very good thing

    i fear that what worries us now about lack of consensus/inertia could be far worse

    democratic stated unwillingness to deal with entitlements - democratic blind support of unions - democrat willingness to use tax rates as a means of revenue generation in lieu of economic growth

    scares the shit out of me

    and the reality is the dems have just done a better sales job on their incompetence than the repubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    your context of black and socialist isn't worth answering
    Let me rephrase it. "People who actually know what's up already agree with me and don't need it explained" isn't a valid reason. So get one or take a seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Let me rephrase it. "People who actually know what's up already agree with me and don't need it explained" isn't a valid reason. So get one or take a seat.
    that was a sweet rephrase

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    that was a sweet rephrase

    thanks
    I'll take that as conceding your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    you seem to be of the opinion that democratic control of the house and senate would be a very good thing

    i fear that what worries us now about lack of consensus/inertia could be far worse

    democratic stated unwillingness to deal with entitlements - democratic blind support of unions - democrat willingness to use tax rates as a means of revenue generation in lieu of economic growth

    scares the shit out of me

    and the reality is the dems have just done a better sales job on their incompetence than the repubs
    See the problem is that is not what the democratic position is and it hasn't been said as such except in screeching tone on fox news and perhaps the odd entertainment on MSNBC...

    The greatest inequity between classes since just prior to the great depression. WHAT is possibly confusing about that?

    Entitlements should not altered to remove capability which is all republicans appear to offer. The best method would be doing what the 70's congress had the foresight to do and adjust it to meet the need. It is not the problem. Doubling our defense budget for two barely useful wars IS the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'll take that as conceding your point.
    i imagine u would

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Doubling our defense budget for two barely useful wars IS the problem.
    I honestly and sincerely believe from everything I've ever seen, read, heard and experienced of the conservative worldview that they would say even two totally wasted wars are a better investment than seeing any of that money go to "parasites" here at home who are part of our economy. Or for services, infrastructure or jobs that help or service them.

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    You cannot say the wars were wasted. Without them the terrotist would have had a free rein to bomb us at will. Both parties agreed about the necessity of the for the Afghan war and Obama is apparently not going to withdraw in2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    See the problem is that is not what the democratic position is and it hasn't been said as such except in screeching tone on fox news and perhaps the odd entertainment on MSNBC...

    The greatest inequity between classes since just prior to the great depression. WHAT is possibly confusing about that?

    Entitlements should not altered to remove capability which is all republicans appear to offer. The best method would be doing what the 70's congress had the foresight to do and adjust it to meet the need. It is not the problem. Doubling our defense budget for two barely useful wars IS the problem.
    What inequity? Perhaps you mean inequality, which is not the same thing. Or perhaps you are revealing the Democrat intention to pull down the rich to a position of equality in the name of equity. If the Democrats were really concerned about inequality they would be willing to stop creating more poverty. Alas, poor people tend to vote Democrat so they need more.

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    I think your country would do very well on Bill Clinton's tax rates and Bill Clinton's economic growth rates. Taxing people enough to pay for the cost of government services does not mean turning your back on growth. It does mean that billionaires and millionaires would get richer a little bit slower than they had hoped. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I think your country would do very well on Bill Clinton's tax rates and Bill Clinton's economic growth rates. Taxing people enough to pay for the cost of government services does not mean turning your back on growth. It does mean that billionaires and millionaires would get richer a little bit slower than they had hoped. Oh well.
    The growth you are referring to occurred when the Republicans controlled both houses and limited Clinton's spending, and you are giving Clinton credit for the peace dividend after Reagan and Bush ended the cold war. I agree that we should go back to the Clinton rates, and, indeed, it may happen tomorrow. But you are wrong if you think we can tax people enough to elinimate Obama's deficits without stifling growth here and world wide. Merely ending the Bush tax cuts tomorrow will likely send us back into recession, but that is better than the alternative.

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    How exactly is the inability of the Republican Congress to budge or compromise even when it's in their own best interest his fault exactly?

    I get that he's a black socialist Democrat and all that, but beyond that an actual reason would be nice.
    Why are you obsessed with the color of a person's skin? Get over it man.

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    If our leadership in DC can't get together to solve this little problem, how will they ever solve the big problem of the the 16 trillion dollars.

    We need leadership .... another Ronald Reagan, George Washington or Abraham Lincoln who all understood what it was to be a leader.

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    The delusion you are labouring under is that republicans are responsible with money. They just aren't. Gingrich was nothing special. And Bush Junior took the peace dividend and spent it on war as his personal pastime with no plan to ever pay for it. Bush took Clinton's legacy and flew it into the ground. Obama inherited a Bush economic disaster, and he has spent four years artfully preventing economic collapse, which costs a lot of money. It's clear that spending has to climb down, but don't kid yourself about why it was necessary. Or at least the rest of us shouldn't be fooled: Obama has been fighting a war just as expensive as the Cold War, the war against economic collapse brought about by Bush Junior's ineptitude, failure to plan, and his false promise that you can fight wars for nothing and get someone else to pick up the tab.

    I tell you what; here's a better constitutional amendment to replace the Second: No US military action will occur without a sales tax rate sufficient to pay the full cost of all operations, matériel, salaries, and veterans medical costs, and any related research and development.

    With an amendment like that, Bush Junior would have been impeached in his first term and the Bush Junior Republican Financial Collapse of 2008 would have never happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You cannot say the wars were wasted. Without them the terrotist would have had a free rein to bomb us at will. Both parties agreed about the necessity of the for the Afghan war and Obama is apparently not going to withdraw in2014.
    Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything. It could have just as easily been invading Denmark as far as accomplishing the goal you mention.

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    I see you also have no answer. Just blame blame blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ what is "absolute" agreement ?
    Two houses of Congress must pass identical bills, and the president must sign it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What inequity? Perhaps you mean inequality, which is not the same thing. Or perhaps you are revealing the Democrat intention to pull down the rich to a position of equality in the name of equity. If the Democrats were really concerned about inequality they would be willing to stop creating more poverty. Alas, poor people tend to vote Democrat so they need more.
    No I mean inequity... feel free to look it up. I wont explain it to you because you will deny it anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The growth you are referring to occurred when the Republicans controlled both houses and limited Clinton's spending, and you are giving Clinton credit for the peace dividend after Reagan and Bush ended the cold war. I agree that we should go back to the Clinton rates, and, indeed, it may happen tomorrow. But you are wrong if you think we can tax people enough to elinimate Obama's deficits without stifling growth here and world wide. Merely ending the Bush tax cuts tomorrow will likely send us back into recession, but that is better than the alternative.
    Wait a minute your entire argument is that republicans wont raise rates until dems cuts because last time they promised cuts and didnt deliver... so now your trying to assume both sides of the street to make your arguments work.... it is a sickness buddy? A sickness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If our leadership in DC can't get together to solve this little problem, how will they ever solve the big problem of the the 16 trillion dollars.

    We need leadership .... another Ronald Reagan, George Washington or Abraham Lincoln who all understood what it was to be a leader.
    I don't know... ask the people in the republican party why they keep dragging their feet...

    Ronald Reagan... ugh worst president since Harding. do better than that.

    The republicans are willing to take this country off the cliff for a filthy political agenda.

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    Ok so same goes for you as for chance... go ahead and give your plan other than government spending for recovery from a recession. We'll wait.
    What's with your attitude lately? Behave like an adult if you want to discuss adult topics.

    I said nothing of any plan. All I did was respond to another poster that implied this president has no hand in increasing our debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    What's with your attitude lately? Behave like an adult if you want to discuss adult topics.

    I said nothing of any plan. All I did was respond to another poster that implied this president has no hand in increasing our debt.
    I am behaving like an adult. Why would you postulate something that does not have a chance of existing in reality. That is why I asked for you to provide a plan to defeat a recession handed to the man before he walked in the door. It is incredibly tiring listening to people make comparisons that are not even remotely based in reality. Bush CHOSE to spend money on Senior Drug programs and two wars on a credit card while giving tax rates to his party that continued to increase our debt because he and the republican congress was failing to pay our bills.

    So given a recession on par but not as steep as the great depression how do you propose we get out of that with the least American citizen suffering? It is fun to say Obama has a big tab, not place it in context and then pretend you have made an adult point. In reality Obama has shrank our spending levels... had republicans allowed him to govern we would have a trillion less debt right now... easily.


    On the fiscal cliff apparently Biden and McConnell worked through into the new year to make the deal. I would be lying if I said that I thought it was going to pass the house. Not until Boehner has his speakership vote in two days... if it does I will be surprised.

    agreement that would let income-tax rates rise for the first time in nearly 20 years, maintain unemployment benefits for millions of people and blunt the impact of spending cuts that were looming as part of the so-called "fiscal cliff."

    The long-sought compromise, which will raise taxes on income over $450,000 for couples, was approved by the Senate in the early morning hours Tuesday. The House was expected to consider it later in the day
    the house has their embarrassing debacle at noon... I mean the house considers the bill at noon.....
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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Perhaps those of you under the illusion that democrats spend more than republicans should do some research. Equally those of you under the assumption that Obama has spent through the roof compared to anyone ever, for ever, ever.... should do a bit of research as well...

    Has Obama Spent More Than Any Other U.S. President in History? Yes and No

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I honestly and sincerely believe from everything I've ever seen, read, heard and experienced of the conservative worldview that they would say even two totally wasted wars are a better investment than seeing any of that money go to "parasites" here at home who are part of our economy. Or for services, infrastructure or jobs that help or service them.
    The defense contractors are "parasites," too.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything. It could have just as easily been invading Denmark as far as accomplishing the goal you mention.
    The same type of TRUTH (that, indeed, Iraq had nothing to do with NineOneOne), of course, would say that in 1941, when Pearl Harbor was bombed, the USA should have invaded Iceland.

    Indeed PNAC, The Project for the New American Century think tank, suggested in the 1990's that the United States needed another Pearl Harbor in order to give an excuse to flex military muscle and assert military superiority and hubris over the rest of the planet.,
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I don't know... ask the people in the republican party why they keep dragging their feet...

    Ronald Reagan... ugh worst president since Harding. do better than that.

    The republicans are willing to take this country off the cliff for a filthy political agenda.
    Obama's solution is to raise taxes without addressing spending. How can that make you happy?

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    The deal penned by the Senate has a lot of items in it actually...

    I posted an abbreviated version of the bills items as covered in the link above... however they forbid reproduction I just saw... so go to the link... lots in that bill.
    So essentially it assigns the Debt Ceiling as the new OMG crisis that will be covered wall to wall with much hand wringing....

    Anyone who follows the spending of our Congress understands that a trillion has been cut already and Obama is actually spending at the lowest level of increases compared to every President since Hoover. The only people under the illusion that that isn't so also were under the illusion that all polls were wrong and Romney would win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama's solution is to raise taxes without addressing spending. How can that make you happy?
    How can that make me happy? I don't think education and health care should be cut at all. Those are the last things we should cut. What we need to cut is the military budget, but that's something republicans would never want to do. And who said that's Obama solution?

    Obama is spending far less than his predecessors. Maybe one day some here can realize that.

    And without addressing spending? AUSTERITY DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. Want a recession? Follow what the republicans are saying... austerity would slide this nation back into a recession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    The defense contractors are "parasites," too.
    Of course they are. But when the right talks about parasites they are talking about W2 wage earners who fall under 250k a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    AUSTERITY DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. Want a recession? Follow what the republicans are saying... austerity would slide this nation back into a recession.
    The Republicans aspire to the United States having a national economic structure similar to WORSE THAN that of Saudi Arabia.

    Not to mention a theocracy also similar to those of the Middle East, with heresy and other such things returning as crimes, and prisons near every major intersection providing slave labor to make products.

    The Incarceration Nation.

    Hey! Look! That brings JOBS back to the United States.

    A thin but impermeable layer of the über-rich at the top, burying the yearning, starving masses underneath. Sort of like the liner on a landfill built upside-down.

    After they successfully steal the wealth of 99.3% of Americans, the world's first Trillionaires would emerge.

    Go to hell, Eric Cantor. Take Darrell Issa with you, please.
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    They want a nation with an economic structure similar to that of El Salvador. Where 15 or 20 families control 97% of the wealth and the rest are left in dire poverty. By advocating government cutbacks and neglecting infrastructure, republicans are in the end shooting themselves in the foot. Infrastructure crumbling in this country and all they can talk about is tax cuts and spending cuts... both of which are failures.

    If we don't invest in our infrastructure, our economy will be in serious peril. Dwight Eisenhower would be turning in his grave looking at the morons that took over his party.

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    ^ hyperbole much ?

    just saw Debbie Wasserman Schultz on with the Wolf (Blitzer)

    lots of hand wringing

    IF the Repubs in the House fuck this up ............. they will have continued what seems to be a pattern of overplaying their hand

    "get them to sign on the line that is dotted" - name the movie

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    The repugs have been overplaying their hand for two years. How is that anything new?

    They have been fucking this country over extensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The repugs have been overplaying their hand for two years. How is that anything new?

    They have been fucking this country over extensively.
    it's just that they've sorta been handed a gift - the deal on the table is not so heinous even to extremers - with a fight down the road that they can partake in if they so desire - and an income level for tax cuts to stop at a compromised figure

    it can only get worse (for them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    They want a nation with an economic structure similar to that of El Salvador. Where 15 or 20 families control 97% of the wealth and the rest are left in dire poverty. By advocating government cutbacks and neglecting infrastructure, republicans are in the end shooting themselves in the foot. Infrastructure crumbling in this country and all they can talk about is tax cuts and spending cuts... both of which are failures.

    If we don't invest in our infrastructure, our economy will be in serious peril. Dwight Eisenhower would be turning in his grave looking at the morons that took over his party.
    And they don't care even though people would THINK that they would care because "who is going to support your businesses or keep you rich if everyone is poor" but most of these people are transnationals with interests that transcend just the U.S. market or economy. I don't think B.P. honestly cares that much about whether the average purchasing power of U.S. households is going up or down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    And they don't care even though people would THINK that they would care because "who is going to support your businesses or keep you rich if everyone is poor" but most of these people are transnationals with interests that transcend just the U.S. market or economy. I don't think B.P. honestly cares that much about whether the average purchasing power of U.S. households is going up or down.
    They don't even understand that if we cut government funding infrastructure will crumble even further. The businesses won't have the infrastructure to even operate... such as roads and ports.

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    We hit the fiscal cliff and the world did not end. One day at a time.

    I'm hoping that the House votes the bill down and Obama gets what he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We hit the fiscal cliff and the world did not end. One day at a time.

    I'm hoping that the House votes the bill down and Obama gets what he wants.
    LOL. THe long term effects of the republican sabotaging will be damage to the economy.

    And Obama wants the country to go over the fiscal cliff?

    Since when? He's been proposing ideas and republicans are having none of it.

    Can someone kick Cantor out already? I'm sick of his face.

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    OK, so all the king's horses and all the king's men...couldn't get it done. How the FUCK do these assholes (Dem, Rep, top, bottom, whatever) have the cajones to even pretend to give a fuck about US? Out with the lot of 'em! Any incumbent in the next 4 years should be thrown out on his/her ass. No sense debating who was right and who was wrong. We the People are FUCKED, and who do we pay to take care of business? They're all to blame. And they call ME a stupid cocksucker.....

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    Well here is the thing, the Senate had an agreement all hammered out, but the House simply didn't want to vote on it. Regardless something will probably be passed late. It'll be like a college student turning his paper in late and getting an exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    it's just that they've sorta been handed a gift - the deal on the table is not so heinous even to extremers - with a fight down the road that they can partake in if they so desire - and an income level for tax cuts to stop at a compromised figure

    it can only get worse (for them)
    Cantor already said he cannot support the bill. he is the Majority leader and will take the opinion of the majority with him. They will craft an alternative bill that demands all of their wish list like previous ransom demands they have passed off as negotiation. The Senate already left Washington and wont be back to vote on a deal or counter a ridiculous republican offer until jan 3rd..... After Boehner is voted speaker again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We hit the fiscal cliff and the world did not end. One day at a time.

    I'm hoping that the House votes the bill down and Obama gets what he wants.
    I do too but not for the childish reason you push such an idea. You actually want people to suffer because that is what republicans use to get their way fear and suffering.

    I want the vote to fail and the cliff to continue 'cliffing' because republicans will be eviscerated for it and i can think of no better gift to this country. However if republicans voted on the bi-partisan deal support almost unanimously by the Senate then whatever ransom demand they bring up should be rejected. This country does not negotiate with terrorist.
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    ^^^

    Who's going to suffer? The unemployed -- they've been suffering for 4 years.

    This bill is a mess. Congress and the President didn't accomplish anything with this bill except raise taxes -- nothing to solve the country's problems. 2013 will be littered with similar cliffs month-after-month.

    Tax rate increases are stupid -- the really rich will not pay. Close the fucking loopholes -- make the rich pay. I honestly think that Obama is stupid -- he doesn't understand.


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    Yes, the unemployed ahve been suffering because of an economic recession that originated under the disastrous Bush administration and was years in the making. Tax rate increases are stupid? Austerity is stupid. Tax increases make sense when the rich pay the lowest level in decades. Obama certainly understands at a far better level.

    Raising the rich tax rate to the Clinton era makes sense. They need to stop acting like spoiled children and pay for infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    Who's going to suffer? The unemployed -- they've been suffering for 4 years.
    So wait are you now unhappy that FEDERAL SPENDING won't be increased to take care of all those "parasites"?

    Could you please get your story straight?

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