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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Boehner is not at fault

    He had a pair of 2's

    And his tea party brothers prob hate him more than Obama

    So Boehner gets a pass

    The Senate will pass something much less favorable than Plan A

    And then it's official

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Would love to play poker against these guys
    Hopefully you don't mean strip poker. Or maybe that's one of your life's strange fantasies to play strip poker with a bunch of old politicians.

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    Hopefully you don't mean strip poker. Or maybe that's one of your life's strange fantasies to play strip poker with a bunch of old politicians.
    why would i mean strip poker ?

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    I have yet to see anything in this thread that proves me wrong.
    Try opening your eyes.


    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    It is abundantly clear that you have no idea what you're babbing about.
    You said that conservatives rely on logic and reason.
    Then you embrace fallacies and seem proud of that when called on it.
    Ergo, you are not a conservative, by your own words.
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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Oh I'm so going to steal that.

    Kuli, you purveyor of evil Liberal Conceit!

    I IN-sist you DE-sist at ONCE!



    You can't make this shit up.
    I purvey no conceit -- I only purvey proceit.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Oh Henry, (get it) that is so sad, do you really feel that persecuted?
    I think he's envious that someone here knows what real conservatism is, and is actually a better conservative than he. It embarrasses reactionaries who claim to be conservative when someone catches them at their fallacies.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

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    And a monochrome worldview.
    A polarized monochrome worldview.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    A polarized monochrome worldview.
    I've never seen it so bad in a grown man.

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    So now since the republicans have shit upon their dear leader in making his conservative stance... NOW it comes to Harry Reid and President Obama to construct a bill that will gain the liberal democrat support in congress and add in a couple republicans. Mind you the Dems only need 17 to cross the aisle and the game is up.

    Silver argues that Boehner getting to a majority is near impossible. So I say why not eek out those republicans who are willing to compromise. there have been enough who have spoken up that you could get something accomplished.



    They are talking about a Senate approved bill getting pushed down to the house that allows the majority of America to not face tax increases, keeps unemployment benefits and one other thing... that both sides already agree on doing.
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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    You said that conservatives rely on logic and reason.
    .
    And so they do. If only the warped liberal world-view could comprehend that it would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    A polarized monochrome worldview.
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And so they do. If only the warped liberal world-view could comprehend that it would be great.
    I rest my case.

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    John Boner is certainly living up to his name........what a dick.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    I rest my case.
    It's pretty sad. He's shown that he loves fallacies, but he can't see that means he's not a conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    . He's shown that he loves fallacies, but he can't see that means he's not a conservative.
    Maybe you don't understand what a fallacy is.
    Maybe I'm a bit more than conservative, especially given that I think
    abortion is nobody's business.

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post


    It would be fun if the US finally got itself a multi-party system by virtue of the "Establishment Republicans" realizing that their only chance was to push the ejector seat button within their own half of the house.

    Three separate, fully-independent parties: Democrat, Republican, and Tea.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    It would be fun if the US finally got itself a multi-party system by virtue of the "Establishment Republicans" realizing that their only chance was to push the ejector seat button within their own half of the house.

    Three separate, fully-independent parties: Democrat, Republican, and Tea.
    Then some people might have the courage to elect some Greens, and a few actual Libertarians.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Part of me has been thinking, and still does, that perhaps it's time we quit postponing the inevitable and bite the bullet by going over the fiscal cliff.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    That's the problem

    While it makes for wonderful evening news anger... the fiscal cliff is in reality a shallow slope. Unfortunately our fate is held by the shallowest of our citizens -- politicians.

    As far as legislating, the recipe hasn't changed all that much so in reality we have three parties and always have. The extreme left, The extreme right (now called teapartiers) and the blue and red middle that usually governs in purple majority. But I know what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Maybe I'm a bit more than conservative...
    Oh much more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Then some people might have the courage to elect some Greens, and a few actual Libertarians.
    Better yet, we might send some more members of the Tea Party to DC next time. Preferably a group of them with the balls to do what they were sent there to do: cut taxes and reduce the size and scope of government. The Tea Party is the last best hope of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Better yet, we might send some more members of the Tea Party to DC next time. Preferably a group of them with the balls to do what they were sent there to do: cut taxes and reduce the size and scope of government. The Tea Party is the last best hope of America.
    Intransigence is the least desirable trait in government when it comes to fiscal matters.

    You cannot create a long term fiscal deal when, above all other factors of opposition, the majority party in the House has been cloven in two, forgetting the fact that the GOP does not control the Senate or the White House. Oh, and those Democrats were elected too.

    It's because of thinkers like you that we are in the mess we have now.
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    If there were more than three people in the Tea Party with actual understanding of how politics work, and not just how to fire people up with empty slogans, maybe it would be more effective in doing anything beside derailing the political process. It's over anyway. It's a has-been part of the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    If there were more than three people in the Tea Party with actual understanding of how politics work, and not just how to fire people up with empty slogans, maybe it would be more effective in doing anything beside derailing the political process. It's over anyway. It's a has-been part of the GOP.
    Ignorance is such an ugly thing, especially when it's willful liberal ignorance of facts on the table.
    But as someone once said, 'the human mind is capable of infinite self-deception'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Ignorance is such an ugly thing, especially when it's willful liberal ignorance of facts on the table.
    But as someone once said, 'the human mind is capable of infinite self-deception'.
    Better than stupidity, which can't be helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Better than stupidity, which can't be helped.
    And the further left one looks the more rampant the stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And the further left one looks the more rampant the stupidity.

    "Rampant?" You mean pronounced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Intransigence is the least desirable trait in government when it comes to fiscal matters.

    You cannot create a long term fiscal deal when, above all other factors of opposition, the majority party in the House has been cloven in two, forgetting the fact that the GOP does not control the Senate or the White House. Oh, and those Democrats were elected too.

    It's because of thinkers like you that we are in the mess we have now.
    This is re-posted for truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Better yet, we might send some more members of the Tea Party to DC next time. Preferably a group of them with the balls to do what they were sent there to do: cut taxes and reduce the size and scope of government. The Tea Party is the last best hope of America.
    Only if you think that driving over the cliff is the best way to the valley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The teaparty has single handed rendered the republican party irrelevant.
    And that's a very good thing. Perhaps in 2014 the Tea Party can replace even more of thos irrelevant Republicans with legislators who will have the balls to sand up to our dictator-in-chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    This is re-posted for truth.

    The teaparty has single handed rendered the republican party irrelevant.
    And thereby neutered Congress.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And that's a very good thing. Perhaps in 2014 the Tea Party can replace even more of thos irrelevant Republicans with legislators who will have the balls to sand up to our dictator-in-chief.
    You mean the tea party that loses seats left and right and whose own members are now running as "independents" so as not to be connected to it? I am sure it will WIN EVERYTHING!!! in 2014, yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You mean the tea party that loses seats left and right and whose own members are now running as "independents" so as not to be connected to it? I :
    I mean those 'tea party' candidates who were sent to DC to do a specific job and who immediately got sucked into the inherent corruption of that city and forgot the people who elected them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And that's a very good thing. Perhaps in 2014 the Tea Party can replace even more of thos irrelevant Republicans with legislators who will have the balls to sand up to our dictator-in-chief.
    I doubt it. Folks who support racism, homophobia, failed government, failed legislatures and other such horrific ideas will go back into the wilderness of insignificance. I really did want them to take control of the republican party so that the party could ensure it was irrelevant for another ten years. Unfortunately you appear to endorse their mentally deficit policy stances.
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    Libertarianism: the initial ideology that the Tea Party was based on, was hijacked by the conservatives and added their beliefs to them and essentially corrupted them. That happened about 6 months after the 2010 election. You can't be anti-gay or anti-choice [I hate using "pro-life"] and a libertarian.

    The major problem with libertarianism is that in order to be effective at the federal level, they would have to be apart of something they hate: government intervention which both major parties love for different reasons.

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    I dunno if it was six months after. I also doubt sincerely that MANY of these folks had deep TP roots. This ideology sprang up in 2006. Not too many folks can establish themselves for national office in four years. I think most of the TP heroes were on the bandwagon. Then no neck Mcconnell said we oppose it all and that will win... and they did. that was their failure. Had they compromised and worked things towards their ideas they would have made so much more progress on cutting spending. They announced they would align themselves with republicans... actually at that point they thought they would take over the party. Unfortunately they learned the house has rules including seniority. You play by the rules or you get your dick squashed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I doubt it. Folks who support racism, homophobia, failed government, failed legislatures and other such horrific ideas will go back into the wilderness of insignificance. I really did want them to take control of the republican party so that the party could ensure it was irrelevant for another ten years. Unfortunately you appear to endorse their mentally deficit policy stances.
    When did the tea party argue in favor of either racism or homophobia. The fight was about taxes and limiting goverment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    When did the tea party argue in favor of either racism or homophobia. The fight was about taxes and limiting goverment.
    Um, when they were racists and homophobes. We got the single most racist and homophobic Republican party platform in living memory. I didn't hear TPers opposing it. They are all for "Biblical values" after all, and there is no room for us homos in those.
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    Rolyo, remember who you're talking to. He says that we already have equal rights: we all have the right to marry a woman. For him, there never was a fight for equal rights, just progressive whining. The Teabaggers are on the right track in Reardon's world: complete ignorance of civil rights. It's 100% taxes. After all, why should government be at all concerned with its citizens' well-being? and all that shit he spreads.

    Don't feed the troll.

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    in today's NY Post - the impact of the Fiscal Cliff on individuals and married couples

    I hope a certain moderator will allow this post to stand as is - he might think it's not opinionated enough - how ironic

    looks like it's a big mother fucking hit

    so that extra tax $ will probably be money which will be reallocated from savings and consumption to into the govt.'s pockets - and we all know how good they do with our money





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    That is just the money Uncle Sam needs to pstart paying some of these overdue water bills... maybe we can get the lights turned back on....

    honestly the thing that bothers me is the debt ceiling portion.

    How the fuck does the treasury say a month ago that we should hit the ceiling sometime in Feb and then this week all of a sudden decide we are out of money... Something smells funny and it aint Chances ironical posting.

    Geithner has predicted for months that the country would hit the debt ceiling by the end of December.
    is what this article says but the Republicans have been referring to Feb for when they can hold America's credit rating and markets hostage to spending cuts.

    Now I believe the proper way to reduce the debt ceiling is to legislate spending less money. Not to default on money we already borrowed. Sheer lunacy. Yet I also wonder what kind of land of make believe republicans have been living in if they keep saying and thinking the ceiling is met in Feb vice Dec......


    AHHHHH now I get it.... lol

    From the National Journal of all places. Wow if they are lambasting the republicans for playing with the debt ceiling then mood has finally shifted.

    Still we will continually meet a debt ceiling unless we start raising revenue.

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    If the Senate would have passed a budget in the past 3-4 years we would not be in this mess.

    Harry Reid is the problem ... and Obama can't see beyond collecting more taxes.
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    ^ Oh this is pure nonsense and you know it.

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    How is it nonsense? The House has passed a budget -- "dictator" Harry Reid refused to bring any up for a vote.

    ObamaCliff is coming!!
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    Here ya go Jack... this is why your argument and many of the far lefty arguments around here are mute and ignorant.

    this was sent via Email and certainly does simplify the argument.

    “Fiscal Cliff” put in a much better perspective.

    Lesson # 1:

    * U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
    * Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
    * New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
    * National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
    * Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

    Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

    * Annual family income: $21,700
    * Money the family spent: $38,200
    * New debt on the credit card: $16,500
    * Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
    * Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

    Got It ??.......OK now,
    Lesson # 2:

    Here's another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:

    Let's say, You come home from work and find
    there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood....
    and your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings.

    What do you think you should do ......

    Raise the ceilings, or remove the shit?
    So then you have to ask WHAT is it that has caused this vast imbalance? Is it medicare and Social Security that have their own funds and are not associated with the national debt or is it massive increases in spending for both Homeland security and the Military?

    The other question you have to ask is what kind of shovel is necessary to remove the shit in the example above? Is that shovel cutting out benefits from medicare or Social Security that do not contribute to that debt or to cut the items that do contribute i.e. the military and homeland security? OR if you decide we must have this level of military and Social security then you have to raise taxes. First on the rich and then after the economy recovers on the vast majority of us but slowly not all at once.
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    So to follow on if we go off the fiscal cliff it is the best thing that could happen to this country. It is not a staggered tax increase nor is it quality cuts versus course across the board cuts. But you know what it puts us back on track immediately. That is probably the best we can hope for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So to follow on if we go off the fiscal cliff it is the best thing that could happen to this country. It is not a staggered tax increase nor is it quality cuts versus course across the board cuts. But you know what it puts us back on track immediately. That is probably the best we can hope for.
    I agree. It will broaden the tax base so that a majority will be paying income tax. That should be the primary consideration. We cannot have an economy or a democracy where a majority vote for benefits but only a minority pay income tax.

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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Right but of course republicans have been staunchly against the idea that government should increase spending to prevent massive depressions.

    Then add into it the additional irrational reality that say no new taxes ever.... the republican party was under the impression they could bankrupt the country and then use that to pull the rug out from under social programs. Fortunately for us they were defeated soundly and now the military will be cut and taxes will be increased whereas entitlements are hardly challenged.
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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    I missed the President's address - here's an article about it

    sounds like more BS

    Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell are now in charge - not sure who's worse

    the ONLY thing that is clear is that our govt. is broken - and for the majority of u here who love to blame Repubs for everything bad and praise the Dems for anything good .......... well ud be wrong

    Harry Reid has presided over a do nothing Senate and yesterday he gave a speech saying Boehner was a dictator and there would be no deal which prompted the markets to drop - nice move Harry

    and his latest is that "we hope to have a deal but it won't be perfect"

    we really should start over with a new senate and house - just like the Jets should start over with a new GM and coach

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/28/politi...html?hpt=hp_t1

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Harry Reid has presided over a do nothing Senate and yesterday he gave a speech saying Boehner was a dictator and there would be no deal which prompted the markets to drop - nice move Harry
    The Senate passed a budget cliff deal in July that protected 98% of America. If Boehner would allow it to be voted upon it would pass. He will not because then he would be out maneuvered.
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    Re: Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The Senate passed a budget cliff deal in July that protected 98% of America. If Boehner would allow it to be voted upon it would pass. He will not because then he would be out maneuvered.
    I don't get the 98% thing - not at all - it's a bumper sticker

    51-48 and $250K is NOT the number it needs to be

    it is not the definition of wealthy

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