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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Ait proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.

    no one was held accountable
    So what is it you want, Obama dragged in chains in triumphal procession?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Abraham Lincoln - great President - great man
    Was he a great man when he suspended Habaeus Corpus?

    it proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.
    Actually it proves nothing. And big on words? I'll leave that to the GOP. All words, all rhetoric and no substance. Stop putting that shit on Obama when it's really the other side doing it.

    no one was held accountable
    Actually they did take responsibility.

    and the President, as he has shown for 4 years now - is not a leader - he's a talker
    Totally wrong. He has showed leadership leading this country out one of the worst recessions in decades. All the right wing can do is shoot off their mouths with more talking points. Talking points seem to be the popular theme around here today.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Selective amnesia that the standard Republican posture has been admit no mistake, ever, show no sign of weakness, ever. Plausible deniability forever. Gitmo. Abu Ghraib. WMD in Iraq.

    Apparently that's all = "Mistakes were made. The buck stops here, I am responsible."

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Chance, why do you give advice you are laughably incapable of following? Your smug superior tone fools nobody but yourself, and even that poorly, I'd wager.

    As for the topic, you did not answer the question - WHAT have we not been told? HOW is this a conspiracy? WHAT information is being hidden?
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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Was he a great man when he suspended Habaeus Corpus?



    Actually it proves nothing. And big on words? I'll leave that to the GOP. All words, all rhetoric and no substance. Stop putting that shit on Obama when it's really the other side doing it.



    Actually they did take responsibility.



    Totally wrong. He has showed leadership leading this country out one of the worst recessions in decades. All the right wing can do is shoot off their mouths with more talking points. Talking points seem to be the popular theme around here today.
    Abraham Lincoln is regarded VERY favorably by most all - just beginning to read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on him - if you want to throw stones (it's all u do) find another historical figure GC - if u want any shred of cred

    I don't shit on Obama - I just point out problems I have with his (lack of) accountability and leadership

    No one lost their job - they just shuffled the deck chairs on The Titanic - still hit the ice

    Read Bob Woodward's book on Obama - his personality, his (lack of) leadership, his dislike for people/politics

    try to expand your limited horizons

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Abraham Lincoln is regarded VERY favorably by most all - just beginning to read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on him - if you want to throw stones (it's all u do) find another historical figure GC - if u want any shred of cred

    I don't shit on Obama - I just point out problems I have with his (lack of) accountability and leadership

    No one lost their job - they just shuffled the deck chairs on The Titanic - still hit the ice

    Read Bob Woodward's book on Obama - his personality, his (lack of) leadership, his dislike for people/politics

    try to expand your limited horizons

    Skins/Seahawks - not sure who to root for
    Pick the person you feel is most responsible, and pretend Obama promoted them.

    That'd be a good picture of Republican accountability.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Abraham Lincoln is regarded VERY favorably by most all - just beginning to read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on him - if you want to throw stones (it's all u do) find another historical figure GC - if u want any shred of cred
    I understand that Lincoln was viewed favorably, but he is not perfect and some of his policies were against the constitution.

    I don't shit on Obama - I just point out problems I have with his (lack of) accountability and leadership
    This is wrong. There is no lack of accountability and leadership is certainly not lacking.

    Read Bob Woodward's book on Obama - his personality, his (lack of) leadership, his dislike for people/politics
    Bob woodward's book is inaccurate as it comes and has no real grasp of what Obama is really like. Obama has demonstrated his leadership qualities in the last few years, and Woodward is pretty much out of the loop. He should have quit reporting on politics years ago.

    try to expand your limited horizons
    More smug insults. My horizons are far more expansive.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Chance, why do you give advice you are laughably incapable of following? Your smug superior tone fools nobody but yourself, and even that poorly, I'd wager.

    As for the topic, you did not answer the question - WHAT have we not been told? HOW is this a conspiracy? WHAT information is being hidden?
    i enjoy getting advice - self improvement is a wonderful thing - if it's authentically offered i accept it

    and if i can help someone get over the hump, why not - we're all on this earth aren't we ?

    no smug or superior here - i'm actually humble and insecure

    the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
    it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
    pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

    he's a complete phony and this is another example

    but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i enjoy getting advice - self improvement is a wonderful thing - if it's authentically offered i accept it

    and if i can help someone get over the hump, why not - we're all on this earth aren't we ?

    no smug or superior here - i'm actually humble and insecure

    the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
    it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
    pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

    he's a complete phony and this is another example

    but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened
    If he let a war run for the length of his entire Presidency under that lie, we'd have a real case that some actual, real harm was done by the purported 'lie for two whole weeks.'

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
    it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
    pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

    he's a complete phony and this is another example
    Wait, so we've now been told everything, but you're bitching because we weren't given all the sensitive information as the administration was receiving it and possibly before even going through it? Damn this Obama and his Communist agenda of not sharing sensitive military information with the unwashed prols the second he gets it!!!

    It's laughable. Basically you're admitting to beating a dead horse, because when they were killing it, they weren't totally honest and clear in the method from the get go.

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened
    Huh? It's clear what happened, but you won't let go? I am more and more confused. The underbridge is dark and full of terror.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Abraham Lincoln - great President - great man

    he said

    "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

    another free bit of advice

    as for Hills and the "report"

    it proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.

    no one was held accountable

    tiger - your piece is as if it's a fictional what if story

    it was not

    and the President, as he has shown for 4 years now - is not a leader - he's a talker
    So what is your definition of accountability? Maybe the President should resign? If that's the case, then every president since Nixon should have resigned. In fact, assuming you're basing your requirement of accountability on the fact that Americans were killed while in dangerous foreign countries, you could safely say every president since George Washington should have resigned.

    It's easy to sit back and make overarching, generalized statements like "there needs to be accountability" or "the President is a terrible leader", but your position lacks any kind of credence or substance if you can't articulate what it is you want to see. Honestly, I don't think those that constantly make statements like this will ever be satisfied with anything the President does because it doesn't serve the underlying issue of them just not liking the guy. They will find anything to seize on and just run with it.

    And my piece reads as an event that actually happened that a group of people are reading as a fictional what-if that has some sinister back story where some evil government is attempting to deceive it's citizens. You and everyone else knew from day one that Americans were killed by bad people. Maybe you were expecting all of the details to emerge right then, but time to investigate exactly what happened needed to occur. You had Republicans attacking the administration just hours after the event occurred without having any of the facts themselves. They screamed for an explanation and answers immediately when the facts weren't fully known and then attacked the initial assessment (which was clearly described as such in every interview and press conference after it was given) of what went on when it was given.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    It's easy to sit back and make overarching, generalized statements like "there needs to be accountability" or "the President is a terrible leader", but your position lacks any kind of credence or substance if you can't articulate what it is you want to see. Honestly, I don't think those that constantly make statements like this will ever be satisfied with anything the President does because it doesn't serve the underlying issue of them just not liking the guy. They will find anything to seize on and just run with it.
    This addresses not just this thread... but a majority of the threads created by the poster in question.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

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    Selective amnesia that the standard Republican posture has been admit no mistake, ever, show no sign of weakness, ever. Plausible deniability forever. Gitmo. Abu Ghraib. WMD in Iraq.

    Apparently that's all = "Mistakes were made. The buck stops here, I am responsible."
    Don't forget Iran-Contra.

    "I don't recall"

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

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    i enjoy getting advice - self improvement is a wonderful thing - if it's authentically offered i accept it
    Self improvement dontcha say?

    no smug or superior here - i'm actually humble and insecure
    Then stop being so dismissive of others when they question your motives.

    the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
    it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
    No. There was no conspiracy. This has been asked and answered. The administration was very forthcoming about the entire situation and republicans attempted to make it into something it's not. Even John McCain had to back off. That should be a hint enough that there is nothing to that argument.

    pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making
    More talking points... and this time with even less substance than before.

    he's a complete phony and this is another example
    Obama is the complete phony? LOL. Seriously? The two phonies ran against him and they lost.

    Beating a dead horse argument is something someone does when they ran out of material and that is what I see here. Obama has had numerous victories in recent days, including demolishing the republican party on taxes... and the republican party seems to be closer to complete internal strife. Grasping onto an old tired issue that has already been explained shows desperation.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks

    Gosh darn Obama for not knowing everything the minute it happened! I guess his crystal ball was broken that day. Also, darn the CIA for not telling us everything, because they always disclose everything they know to the public. I mean, look at Valerie Plame. She had the nerve to try to stay undercover, but that patriotic Republican Scooter Libby blew her cover because it was the right thing to do!

    pres. obama Mitt Romney ran in 2008 2012 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

    There. Fixed for accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post

    Totally wrong. He has showed leadership leading this country out one of the worst recessions in decades. All the right wing can do is shoot off their mouths with more talking points. Talking points seem to be the popular theme around here today.
    Chance is 100% right about Obama being a talker and not a leader.

    The American economy is still in the dumps after four years. Lackluster growth. Millions of people have given up on the American dream. If there was a republican president right now -- you'd be calling for his resignation.

    You're failing to look past the love.

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    Chance is 100% right about Obama being a talker and not a leader.
    No. Chance is 100% wrong.

    The American economy is still in the dumps after four years. Lackluster growth. Millions of people have given up on the American dream. If there was a republican president right now -- you'd be calling for his resignation.

    You're failing to look past the love.
    So what should the President do? Snap his fingers and make everything better? That's what many seem to be suggesting on here. Actually, the US economy isn't in the dumps and has improved steadily. Growth has been solid, but not spectacular. This can be more attributed to the lack of action within the Congress.

    And don't tell me what I would be doing or not. A republican got us into this fucking mess, and a democrat has to pick up the pieces. Don't skirt around the reality.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Chance is 100% right about Obama being a talker and not a leader.

    The American economy is still in the dumps after four years. Lackluster growth. Millions of people have given up on the American dream. If there was a republican president right now -- you'd be calling for his resignation.

    You're failing to look past the love.
    Weird last I checked we are the only western nation that is headed in the right direction with employment and growth.... THE ONLY western nation. I wonder why that is?

    yup musta been poor leadership.
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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

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    Weird last I checked we are the only western nation that is headed in the right direction with employment and growth.... THE ONLY western nation. I wonder why that is?

    yup musta been poor leadership.
    To be fair there are a few others that have had growth and improving employment, but the US does fare far better than most other Western countries.

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    No. Chance is 100% wrong.



    So what should the President do? Snap his fingers and make everything better? That's what many seem to be suggesting on here. Actually, the US economy isn't in the dumps and has improved steadily. Growth has been solid, but not spectacular. This can be more attributed to the lack of action within the Congress.

    And don't tell me what I would be doing or not. A republican got us into this fucking mess, and a democrat has to pick up the pieces. Don't skirt around the reality.
    The guy just pushed through a tax increase on almost all Americans. What happened to JOBS, JOBS, JOBS?

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    No. Chance is 100% wrong.



    So what should the President do? Snap his fingers and make everything better? That's what many seem to be suggesting on here. Actually, the US economy isn't in the dumps and has improved steadily. Growth has been solid, but not spectacular. This can be more attributed to the lack of action within the Congress.

    And don't tell me what I would be doing or not. A republican got us into this fucking mess, and a democrat has to pick up the pieces. Don't skirt around the reality.
    No. A republican was in office when it happened and only accelerated what was already happening. The 'mess' had been building for 30 years.

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    The guy just pushed through a tax increase on almost all Americans. What happened to JOBS, JOBS, JOBS?
    JOBS JOBS JOBS are being created. 5 million private sector jobs already since 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The guy just pushed through a tax increase on almost all Americans. What happened to JOBS, JOBS, JOBS?
    First of all, lower/higher taxes does not equate to more/less jobs. Jobs are created when the demand is there to meet them. If you want to point fingers at people, point them at all of the companies that are posting large profits and sitting on huge cash reserves but aren't utilizing them to create jobs (at least in this country.)

    Second of all, "the guy" didn't just push through anything. The only reason taxes went up on everyone was because the payroll tax holiday was allowed to expire (the only tax that affects everyone.) That was never meant to be permanent and thus is not an increase. The rate was merely allowed to return to where it originally was after "the guy" pushed for it to be temporarily during his first term in office. Also, you should definitely enroll in a US Government 101 class to learn how laws are passed in this country. The President doesn't do it. Congress does. I don't see how you can sit there and claim he doesn't show leadership and then turn around and say he showed enough leadership to force Congress to raise taxes. It's one or the other, assuming you actually want to make a valid point instead of just trying to create controversy where there is none.

    Finally, the President has little, if any, control over job creation. If you're like most conservatives and tout all of the benefits of Capitalism, then you need to also accept the negatives that come with it. In a capitalist system, the sole purpose is to generate profit for the business. They don't care about employees, the customers, or the larger economy. Those are all just means to the end of maximizing profit. If the demand isn't there that absolutely requires a company to hire someone, they're not going to hire anyone. If you want to be mad at something, be mad at the corporations for not generating enough demand for their product to require hiring additional employees. Be mad at the people who turn their nose up at working a low paying job because they're holding out for their dream job. Be mad at the places that farm stuff out overseas in order to reduce costs. I see the President attempting to do what he can to help people out. The same can't be said for the "on your own" conservatives and "too big to fail" corporations that love sucking from the teat of the government but will be up in arms if they're asked to do anything to give back to it.
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    If you try to take Jack seriously, you are just going to end up chasing your tail - he doesn't want to discuss, he wants to vilify and provoke. He comes from the UnderBridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    If you try to take Jack seriously, you are just going to end up chasing your tail - he doesn't want to discuss, he wants to vilify and provoke. He comes from the UnderBridge.
    the "UnderBridge?" LOL

    u and the guy NO ONE likes keep using that term - it's so silly - and not very funny either

    I believe the use of it is yet another symptom of the dreaded Obamallegiance

    needing to silence those who don't live in the pod (see Invasion of the Body Snatchers)

    as for Hills,

    she's back to work tomorrow

    YEAH !!!!

    hopefully some day soon she'll share her thoughts on Benghazi - I don't expect much frankly

    so much time has passed and in Obamamania, it's ceased to exist - it's been wiped from the slate

    think of it as OBAMA FARM - Orwellian

    Hills better be careful - if she fesses up about the real story of Benghazi, they'll send her to the glue factory

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    I beg your pardon, it's both silly AND funny.

    You forget, I am the Troll Whisperer, familiar with all breeds both foreign and domestic.
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    I beg your pardon, it's both silly AND funny.

    You forget, I am the Troll Whisperer, familiar with all breeds both foreign and domestic.
    now that's funny

    you need to find new friends though or at least funnier ones


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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Chance, you think any of us are taking these fake outrages remotely seriously.

    We stomp on your b.s. but that's all we're doing. You seem to be under this delusion that we're panicky and running around doing damage control and defending Obama. These outrages are all ridiculous. It's clear what motivates these thread and it's equally clear there's nothing that you or Jack can hear other than "Obama completely fails" that registers in your minds.

    If this is the best you got, this is the best you got. When these outrages amount to failures that actually harm anyone other than by inventing an unsupportable conspiracy theory around them and making mishaps look like planned policy I'll actually feel like damage control is necessary. Till then all we're basically doing is making fun of you guys. You make yourselves look like shrieking ideologues desperate to find any mud to sling no matter how petty, small and imaginary it is. That's all the more seriously we take it.

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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    As the "GUY NO ONE LIKES" (or so says God apparently), I want to enforce the proper use of "underbridge" which is also an adjective and should mostly be used as such. Jack does not "come from the underbridge", he IS underbridge, and so is his logic.
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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Do you even listen to the news? Obama got his way on taxes, he got his way on eliminating the social security tax holiday. He's the President of the United States.

    Unbelievable.

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    First of all, lower/higher taxes does not equate to more/less jobs. Jobs are created when the demand is there to meet them. If you want to point fingers at people, point them at all of the companies that are posting large profits and sitting on huge cash reserves but aren't utilizing them to create jobs (at least in this country.)

    Second of all, "the guy" didn't just push through anything. The only reason taxes went up on everyone was because the payroll tax holiday was allowed to expire (the only tax that affects everyone.) That was never meant to be permanent and thus is not an increase. The rate was merely allowed to return to where it originally was after "the guy" pushed for it to be temporarily during his first term in office. Also, you should definitely enroll in a US Government 101 class to learn how laws are passed in this country. The President doesn't do it. Congress does. I don't see how you can sit there and claim he doesn't show leadership and then turn around and say he showed enough leadership to force Congress to raise taxes. It's one or the other, assuming you actually want to make a valid point instead of just trying to create controversy where there is none.

    Finally, the President has little, if any, control over job creation. If you're like most conservatives and tout all of the benefits of Capitalism, then you need to also accept the negatives that come with it. In a capitalist system, the sole purpose is to generate profit for the business. They don't care about employees, the customers, or the larger economy. Those are all just means to the end of maximizing profit. If the demand isn't there that absolutely requires a company to hire someone, they're not going to hire anyone. If you want to be mad at something, be mad at the corporations for not generating enough demand for their product to require hiring additional employees. Be mad at the people who turn their nose up at working a low paying job because they're holding out for their dream job. Be mad at the places that farm stuff out overseas in order to reduce costs. I see the President attempting to do what he can to help people out. The same can't be said for the "on your own" conservatives and "too big to fail" corporations that love sucking from the teat of the government but will be up in arms if they're asked to do anything to give back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    As the "GUY NO ONE LIKES" (or so says God apparently), I want to enforce the proper use of "underbridge" which is also an adjective and should mostly be used as such. Jack does not "come from the underbridge", he IS underbridge, and so is his logic.
    Stop with the personal attacks man. It's getting old.

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    Personal attacks? Moi? Was I the one who was sending post comments about "who said what about Rolyo"? Memory is fuzzy...
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    Stop with the personal attacks man. It's getting old.
    The IRONY... oh the irony! Considering personal attacks start with the right wing on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Personal attacks? Moi? Was I the one who was sending post comments about "who said what about Rolyo"? Memory is fuzzy...
    You were called out publicly in CEP. You might want to reread what the post said.

    ... I'm assuming by your behavior you still haven't gotten laid.

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    He was "called out publicly..." Really, oh my, that sound serious?. By whom, are you having another bondage fantasy Jack? Did that also go on his permanent record?
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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    As the "GUY NO ONE LIKES" (or so says God apparently), I want to enforce the proper use of "underbridge" which is also an adjective and should mostly be used as such. Jack does not "come from the underbridge", he IS underbridge, and so is his logic.
    Well, see I kinda thought the "UnderBridge" was kinda like the "Matrix," ya know, a fantasy dystopia pumped into the minds of the herd by a malevolent alien intelligence. So one could BE UnderBridge and BE FROM the UnderBridge at one and the same time.

    Which would make ME Morpheus and YOU Neo - no wonder the herd doesn't like you - YOU CAN SEE THE UNDERBRIDGE!!!

    And really, they just want a steak.
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    Do you even listen to the news? Obama got his way on taxes, he got his way on eliminating the social security tax holiday. He's the President of the United States.

    Unbelievable.
    I do listen to the news. I don't listen to Fox News. The President did not get his way with taxes. He wanted the rate to return to pre-Bush levels on people making over $200,000/250,000. The cut off was set at $400,000/450,000. You are right in that he didn't want to extend the payroll tax holiday, because when it was passed in his first term, it was never meant to be permanent. The payroll taxes fund Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. They would run out of money even faster if the tax cut was made permanent and everyone knew this. They were lowered as part of a temporary stimulus and now that we are not in an economic free fall, they were allowed to go back to where they were supposed to be.

    How you didn't understand that reading my previous post or "listening to the news" is what is truly unbelievable!
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    Of course he understood your previous post, he just didn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Well, see I kinda thought the "UnderBridge" was kinda like the "Matrix," ya know, a fantasy dystopia pumped into the minds of the herd by a malevolent alien intelligence. So one could BE UnderBridge and BE FROM the UnderBridge at one and the same time.

    Which would make ME Morpheus and YOU Neo - no wonder the herd doesn't like you - YOU CAN SEE THE UNDERBRIDGE!!!

    And really, they just want a steak.
    I like this one, I think we've built something together. It's time for a celebratory plow-fest.
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    Re: Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    He wanted the rate to return to pre-Bush levels on people making over $200,000/250,000. The cut off was set at $400,000/450,000. You are right in that he didn't want to extend the payroll tax holiday, because when it was passed in his first term, it was never meant to be permanent. The payroll taxes fund Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.
    Nobody is considering that $200-250K before 2001, was equivalent to something higher now. Not quite as high as $400/450K, but probably at least $310K or something. So the gap between the new reality, and the Clinton reality, is not quite as great.

    When the "payroll tax holiday" went into effect, I was P-I-S-S-E-D O-F-F! My thought at the time was that it was the "foot in the door" to completely destroy Social Security and the medical ones, or eventually use it as a ploy for the Feds (read: Republicans) to just take that whole thing and THROW that money at Wall Street, so they could gamble it all away and sniff the rest up their noses.

    If course most of us know that if they just threw all that damned money at Wall Street, it wouldn't suddenly be put into place in three hours, logistics and new financial structures and all. No, it would take months to accomplish. In anticipation of this ****MASSIVE***** new demand, stock prices would skyrocket. These federal funds would go in at the absolute highest stock market possible and, once the expectation of this new one-time surge was consummated, I think stock prices would go into a HORRIFIC crash.

    The federal entitlement monies would go into the stock market at prices that would not be seen again for at least twenty or thirty years and, as it quickly becomes almost worthless, those who saw this coming would be walking away with platinum parachutes. Gold isn't good enough.

    The markets would also crash because of all the super-rich who invested in this bubble, and many of whom would suddenly sell their stocks. It wouldn't surprise me if it crashed the market from the 30,000's to the 4,000's. Of course, as some point, people would start buying stocks at the bargain prices and it would go back up, but retirees, those dependent on outside medical care, etc. would be flattened.
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    The Humiliating Debacle in Ben*ghazi

    Hillary Clinton, on September 21st, 10 days after the attack said to reporters before she was to meet with the Pakistani foreign minister

    “What happened was a terrorist attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans.”
    That was about 4 mos. ago - what's actually happened since then doesn't suggest getting to the bottom of it and it's worse than that

    “We’re not even close,” says one U.S. official involved in the investigation.
    There are three suspects but we're not able to talk to one and the other two well ....

    One leading suspect is in custody—Egyptian custody—and we’re being denied access to him. Another sipped a strawberry frappe in the lobby of a luxury hotel in Benghazi as he told a New York Times reporter that he felt no need to hide from the United States. And when a third suspect was freed from a Tunisian prison earlier this month, the U.S. government was given no warning, but extremists belonging to an al Qaeda-linked group apparently had advance notice.
    The Tunisa details are especially troubling - if you care to read - sorta chilling at just how fucked in the region we are - and how we have NO cred and there's no fear of American strength

    So where are we ?

    Despite its many promises, after four months of a criminal investigation, the U.S. government has made little progress on bringing the Benghazi attackers to justice. The Obama administration, which came to office trumpeting “smart power,” has shown itself unable to produce cooperation even from governments receiving vast sums of aid from the United States without congressional threats. And now, the same terrorist organizations that supplied the attackers for the assaults on American facilities in Benghazi and Tunis are openly threatening FBI investigators and celebrating the release of one of the few suspects in the 9/11/12 attacks.
    So it looks like this is a long lasting problem for the U.S. well beyond the murder of four innocents. Lots of lip service (the specialty) by the Admin. but no there there

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...zi_696380.html

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    Re: The Humiliating Debacle in Ben*ghazi

    Hash. Recycled cooked pork. Or, recycled corned beef.

    Still HASH.

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    Re: The Humiliating Debacle in Ben*ghazi

    Look how long it took to catch Bin Laden, who wasn't particularly hiding and was in regular need of kidney dialysis.

    If I read this article correctly these men have split to the virtual four corners of the world and aren't major well known figures to begin with.

    So I'm not sure of the angle here other than "look, inept, they haven't caught them yet."

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    I am so sorry for all the discomfort that Obama winning the election has caused you I want to offer you his most sincere apologies.
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    Re: The Humiliating Debacle in Ben*ghazi

    What?!?! People in a historically violent and distrusting part of the world are releasing prisoners instead of turning them over to the US and aren't cooperating with our investigation? And what's that? When left to choose their own democratically elected governments, they don't choose one exactly like our's? No way! But you're right, it's somehow the President's fault.

    You better start saving up your material. You're going to use it all in one day at this rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    What?!?! People in a historically violent and distrusting part of the world are releasing prisoners instead of turning them over to the US and aren't cooperating with our investigation? And what's that? When left to choose their own democratically elected governments, they don't choose one exactly like our's? No way! But you're right, it's somehow the President's fault.

    You better start saving up your material. You're going to use it all in one day at this rate.
    Nah, I'm sure Michelle Obama will wear an OUTRAGEOUSLY insensitive and offensively colored dress SOMETIME this year. And she might even get photographed in it near KIDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Hash. Recycled cooked pork. Or, recycled corned beef.

    Still HASH.
    not exactly Pal - it's about where we are NOW with the "investigation" and just how impotent we are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I am so sorry for all the discomfort that Obama winning the election has caused you I want to offer you his most sincere apologies.
    LOL - I'm good save for the payroll tax increase

    now if I were you u i'd say something silly like "i'm going to report u" for this post

    but the good news is i'm not you

    try to stay on topic even if the topic isn't gay marriage

    k ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    LOL - I'm good save for the payroll tax increase

    now if I were you u i'd say something silly like "i'm going to report u" for this post

    but the good news is i'm not you

    try to stay on topic even if the topic isn't gay marriage

    k ??
    It's not a payroll tax increase. It's an end to a payroll tax holiday.

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