Dude she has a blood clot in her head. Your irrationally based fear probably means you believe the Clinton's killed all those in their way. That makes you like a post removed from an Ambrocious tin foil hat thread.... but carry on with your delusions. It is rather amusing...
^ your concern is duly noted but odd given your lack of concern for individuals NOT connected with the administration
Examples include: Ambassador Stevens and Jon Hammar
Sorta selective no ?
Interesting that she traveled more than any other SOS
Wasn't anyone looking after her ?
Why should anyone have to know anything? - Sheldon Cooper
More news on Benghazi - not so good
Lots of good stuff here but simple stupid is that it is CLEAR that in the MONTHS leading up to the attack and murder of 4 American citizens ........ there was LOTS and AMPLE intel that said the situation was increasingly dangerous and unstable - that an attack was likely - the info was there - AND NOTHING WAS DONE
the intel suggested increased security or closing it - neither was done
This particular comment by the author hit home .......... BINGO !! and speaks to the crux of the misgivings about the Administration's handling of the situation
well we know where the Pres. was - where he is most all the time - CAMPAIGNINGBut once again we have to ask: Where was the president? Did any of this make it into his briefings? As in domestic budget fights, President Obama is always there to take a victory lap but never around when things go wrong. Congress should demand a full accounting from him and condition confirmation of new senior officials and of appropriations on getting that full accounting.
the idea if u say things enough ........ they somehow have credence .......... but they don't
and this doesn't
Jack's point is SPOT ON
just because your empathy quotient is nil ......... doesn't make someone who cares about human life over politics sanctimonious
just makes them more human is all
I hope real change is made so that what happened in Benghazi is not repeated ........
Choice is a bitch aint it? Let me ask you a very sensitive subject on a gay chat room. The first folks who dies of HIV and then AIDS were victims but now after decades of dealing with the plague can you honestly say that the youth today are not making a conscious choice to risk infection and all of the issues associated? Are they victims or did they choose?
Direct your outrage into something that remotely deserves it. Stop pouring all of your energy into these fake controversies that do nothing but make you look this desperate to find something actually bad about the opposition. If there's actual bad focus on that. Or better yet focus on something that actually matters. You would not have given two shits about who died in the Benghazi Embassy if this were 2002 and Bush were President. You didn't. None of those embassy attacks during W Bush were controversies or even blips on the radar.
Just stop. As GC said it's embarrassing.
One of my replies got deleted here.. what a surprise. Yes this thread is a total embarrassment. And where are the CLintons lying and manipulating people? Give me a break. If one wants to find liars and manipulators look at those in the GOP then get back to me. Stop trying to use Benghazi as some political punching bag. Even the GOP gave up on it after trying to milk it for all its political worth. It's incredibly disrespectful and disgusting to the people who did die in the attack.
And as far as the attacks on Hillary... some just don't quite grasp the fact that her blood clot was life threatening. She didn't choose to get it. I guess politics will always be the game the right wing plays... they don't care about human life.
#439th oldest member on JUB.
Respect? It's only time for respect when the Sanctimonious Few have to accuse someone of not having it.
That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe
i agreed with jack in this instance and thus chimed in
that's how it works
so get used to it
as for "anti prevailing opinion" i'd say your #s are good there
as for the characteristics of YOUR posts
I'd say your perception of your own grandness is wildly out of control
I'd say many agree with me too
anyone else care to share ?
as for Hills ............ eventually she'll have to answer to the questions
just not now
and I love you Jack ............. but I think Bolton and some (not many) and your thoughts about her not really being sick is not right - esp. now with the clot
but i do believe in bad karma
and she has it on this stinker of a sitch (for JH)
How about building an argument with actual evidence and not generalities and insults towards those who support Obama?
If someone at work that reported to you had a story like that --- would you believe them?
...but the Obama Hate Squad conveniently overlooks proof* in lieu of Fox News Talking Points or the latest conspiracy BS cooked up by the corpse of Andrew Breitbart.
*http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politi...zed/index.html, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-head/1801563/, http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary...ry?id=18101213
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True Buzzer. A much more consequential republican SoS lied to congress about Iraq and we ended up in a war that cost thousands of lives. That investigation took almost four years and NO ONE was held accountable.
So Sausy you are correct if it was a republican then republicans would not hold them accountable.
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomat
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb. One killed and 13 wounded.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
Remember when Condi Rice, Karl Rove, or any of GWB's cabinet were grilled about those deaths?
Oh, that's right. No one gave a shit until Obama took office, and now suddenly the GOP is "concerned" and requires answers right now.
^ Well, hellfire...NOT ONLY didn't anybody give a shit, but some of these things I NEVER EVEN HEARD ABOUT. I have been paying a LOT of attention to politics during this entire century.
I was paying a lot of attention to politics before some people in here were even BORN.
Maybe even before their PARENTS were born...
It's not like I wouldn't have noticed these things if they had been mentioned.
But this shit happened under Republicans, so it was okay.
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"All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
"But, hey, who cares about women and their rights when the religious liberty of a nationwide chain of arts and crafts stores is at stake?" - Daily Kos, 30 June 2014
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony
That is what is astonishing Frank. I have followed politics every since I could understand what was going on while we sat around rhe family dinner table watching the news each night. Remember the CBS evening news with Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw on NBC and ABC with Peter Jennings? I sure as hell do....
Anyways SIX of the posted terrorist events occurred WHILE I was here at JUB. Yet not a single word about holding anyone accountable from these mavens of republican justice. Seems a bit ironic that the never gonna die republican party that crushed the democrats in loyalty has sunk so low it cannot even find proper scandals to get worked up over.
Yes, they create these because they don't have anything legitimate to get outraged about. Monica Lewinsky 2.0.
Did the Administration at the time make up a story (like a crazy unheard video) about what caused the attacks?
Did the Administration at the time totally abandon the embassy or consulate leaving it alone for months?
Was the embassy or consulate located in a country where there was just recently a civil war and the country was unsettled and very dangerous?
Nah, he didn't. He just asked a series of questions no one, including you two, asked during embassy attacks before Obama.
Give up the faux outrage.
Chance please see post #163.
One of the main reasons all sane people know this is not a scandal is that when asked directly what the "scandal" is, no one seems to be able to give you a direct answer. The best they can do is say 'Obama lied' without the ability to actually show where he 'lied', like typical children.
So what are they hoping for with Clinton, that she will define the 'scandal' for them?
Meanwhile, Bush II & Co. used lies and distortions to start a war that killed thousands and cost billions, but I don't hear any Republicans demanding to have Karl Rove or Dick Cheney answer for those lies.
I would post a picture of grasping for straws but you know what they look like.... you reach for them every day....
How about the facts of the situation. Why do you suppose a special CIA mission was located in Benghazi? A mission described as being on the ground to acquire more data on terrorist groups in the nation and to help locate missing SAMs? Why do you suppose such a entity would be located in Beghazi? How about a simple question. Would you go look for bears and coyotes in New York City or would you go to Alaska?
Utter childish ignorance on this matter. The only people making shit up about this are on the right. Now they have embarrassingly failed to apologize for making false claims about the SoS's health. This shit and the people whom you support are reaching the same level of ridiculous that the conspiracy folks quoted by Ambrocious. For most of America you all have the same credibility.
Although i highly encourage you to keep it up. As was previously predicted the Tea Party is doing enough damage to America that they lost hand over foot. Adding in the recent mainstream failure of the GOP and one can easily envision the utter demise of that radical conspiracy fed group of america haters.
1. What you're saying is that the Ambassador was stupid. How do we know that he wasn't following orders to be in Benghazi? The Obama Administration does not want to talk about it or take questions.
2. The Administration made up a story about the video and blamed the attack on it. The held to the story for weeks.
3. The US Consulate in Benghazi was abandoned -- there were still classified papers on the ground around the consulate weeks after the attack. I'm sure you remember yourself getting upset that a CNN crew returned a personal journal to the family of one of the men that was murdered.
4. Pakistan is still a country and is not in civil war.
My questions and remarks are not childish. Your comments don't answer the questions.
For your benefit ... I've attached an image of you, JayHawk grasping for straws . . . . . .
I keep hearing stuff about how the administration lied for two weeks, but we get no rationale for it, there are no dire consequences of said lies, it got corrected, people got "removed", the failures are being looked at and corrected.......I don't get it at all. There's nothing you shills can hang your hat on, nothing. Noone died as a result of the incorrect story, we're not invading another country as a result, we didn't sever diplomatic relations with a country, we're not throwing ludicrous sums of money at anything, there are simply zero negative consequences to this in the slightest. Let's go way out on a limb, and say everyone involved knew exactly what went on over there from minute zero, and yet still repeated an incorrect reason for the attack for two weeks. That's worst case scenario....and still means exactly nothing, as there were no consequences to it, making the case for bald-faced lying very, very slim indeed. And that's assuming the administration 100% knowingly bald-faced lied about it, not had communication failures with stories, didn't update briefings, forgot to update someone, someone flat out wasn't very involved with what was going on and should have been, etc. Which said things are indeed negative and incompetent, but they got corrected, nothing bad happened as a result, and they learned from it.
On Sept. 11, people around the world began demonstrating and even rioting due to the trailer (there is no actual film, just a long trailer). Most notably in Egypt where the embassy staff put out a few tweets condemning the "film". This was (originally) the outrage and impeachable offense.
Rioting also broke out in Libya, specifically in Benghazi. At the time and in the fog, many people reasonably believed that they were rioting in Libya for the same reasons. On 9/12 Obama mentioned nothing about the YouTube clip, but instead said "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.". In addition to make me some tea's timeline, this also was an impeachable offense because "acts of terror" is way different than "terrorist acts" for some reason.
Then on 9/16, Susan Rice (who was Ambassador to the UN, and therefore would have had zero knowledge or influence on the situation in Libya, and therefore could only repeat what point she had been told) said:
"Well, Jake, first of all, it's important to know that there's an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired. But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous -- not a premeditated -- response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.
We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to -- or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in -- in the wake of the revolution in Libya are -- are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there. We'll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that's the best information we have at present."
Ultimately, it was proven that it was not the YouTube clip, and that the Intelligence folks were already pretty sure of that, but in order to not burn assets on the ground, chose to prepare remarks that implied that it may be the video, while explicitly stating that it might not be the video.
Shortly thereafter, the Administration stopped mentioning the video, while John McCain, Lindsay Graham and wing-nut bloggers screamed about it not being the video for the next 3.5 months.
Meanwhile most of the rumors that were so scandalous weren't true. Obama did send help, it just couldn't make it in time. Obama didn't watch them die while snorting coke off Bill Ayers buttocks. There was such a "big cover-up" that the Administration accepted an independent review that said that several senior staff members made mistakes in judgment that left the staff in Benghazi vulnerable. A report that the state department accepted without issue. 4 people have been fired for it.
In the meantime "Scandal" has been defined down to mean "every bad decision ever". "Cover-up" has been defined down to mean "ever making a statement that may not be 100% correct, regardless of whether you are lying, protecting someone or repeating a statement you have no way of proving the veracity of".
EDIT: BTW refusing to accept the answers the rest of the world has accepted is childish.
Childish is still trying to defend something you cannot. The State Department and the Obama Administration fucked up.
That is the first somewhat honest thing you have said. The state department and Obama's administration fucked up. I agree. The rest of your claims including the reason this thread was started, an insane ploy that Hillary Clinton faked her illness to avoid testifying.
You know how I know that is some crazy fucking shit? The idea started out of the mouth of Allen West.
that the State Dept. run by Hillary Clinton
and the Admin. which is the "boss" of the State Dept.
prior to this your narrative is that all was fine save for Ambassador Steven's mismanagement and stupidity which caused his own death the death of others
not sure why you're changing your tune now
and i'm not sure what u really believe