Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

[rareboy]

Perhaps it is because the Bush administration was 100% more honest than the current adminstration.

Even FOX wouldn't be able to spew this BS and keep a straight face.

[Rolyo85]

Perhaps it is because the Bush administration was 100% more honest than the current adminstration. Obama's administration will go down in history as the most totally opaque ever--this despite his promises of "transparency."

Seriously? The Bush administration was honest? THEY STARTED A WAR BASED ON LIES! A WAR!

[HenryReardon]

Seriously? The Bush administration was honest? THEY STARTED A WAR BASED ON LIES! A WAR!

[]

That old canard is the biggest lie of all.
The whole world either believed or knew that Saddam had WMDs. And the Useless Nations gave him a dozen years to hide them while their inspectors wbere forbidden to look in certain places. Every politican of note, including both Clintons were on record as saying that Saddam had to go. End of discussion.

[Laufey]

Can anyone ever hold that job without getting their hands dirty?

[Rolyo85]

Faith is a powerful thing, but it's sad when it metastases from religion and into politics. I am sure that's why people want Bush tried for crimes against humanity - because of all the lies that were never told about Iraq.

[chance1]

Bush ?

What bout gay marriage ?

And no reasonable people think GWB should be tried

Just the (far too frequently) outraged

Who confuse partisanship with facts

As for Hillary

Gonna be interesting to see what she does now.

Giving us answers about Benghazi would be a swell start

[Just_Believe18]

That old canard is the biggest lie of all.
The whole world either believed or knew that Saddam had WMDs. And the Useless Nations gave him a dozen years to hide them while their inspectors wbere forbidden to look in certain places. Every politican of note, including both Clintons were on record as saying that Saddam had to go. End of discussion.

Yes, end of discussion indeed on your credibility. There never were any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We went to war over a false pretense that was orchestrated by the Bush Administration. The United States was never safer as a result of it, and it ended up costing us thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in borrowed money for a war we couldn't pay for.

U.S. Governments Admits WMD Error:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-562312.html

Karl Rove Admits no WMD Found in Iraq:
http://www.therightperspective.org/2...found-in-iraq/

VIDEO: Bush himself admits Iraq didn't have WMD, only "the capacity to." Embarrassing rant, invokes 9/11, "Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11"


Full FactCheck analysis if Iraq ever was a threat with WMD prior to invasion:
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/no-wmds-in-iraq/


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So it is an inaccurate comparison to say that the Bush Administration was 100% more honest than the Obama Administration. Here we're talking about concussions and a semantics fight over the language the government used to classify the attack on the Benghazi embassy. Back then, we were arguing about why the other half of our military was sent to war to invade a sovereign nation over lies of WMD, overthrow it, and spend the next decade nation building. You call that an equal comparison?

[xbuzzerx]

That old canard is the biggest lie of all.
The whole world either believed or knew that Saddam had WMDs. And the Useless Nations gave him a dozen years to hide them while their inspectors wbere forbidden to look in certain places. Every politican of note, including both Clintons were on record as saying that Saddam had to go. End of discussion.

Is that why people were pushed out of the intelligence community if they didn't go along with the WMD story? Is the Bush Administration's honesty also why they fired General Shinseki when he told them what was needed for an invasion of Iraq vs. what they wanted to hear was needed for an invasion of Iraq?

[chance1]

Bush has nothing to do with Benghazi - can we agree on that?

or does he ?

it wouldn't surprise me if some of the obama lovers think/thought so

cause it's NEVER about Obama if it's bad

LOL

I wonder how Hillary really feels about this

She was sorta absent during/after - my gut is she wouldn't spew the bullshit for the guy who called her campaign a racist one

that she didn't want this to derail her ascent to her rightly place as 2016 dem candidate and ultimate winner

what a rush

husband 2 terms - wife as pres

that's historical shit

benghazi is not a good narrative for her

hope she's feeling better

and she's not wearing a burlap bag

[Just_Believe18]

^ Don't breed into your own conspiracy theories. No one believes Bush was involved in Benghazi, and there's no substantial proof to your claims of Hillary not having a concussion and that this is somehow all part of this big, nonexistent conspiracy.

[JayHawk]

JB18 everything is non-exist ant when the basis of all your arguments is Obama bad, Bush my hero.

[chance1]

^ Don't breed into your own conspiracy theories. No one believes Bush was involved in Benghazi, and there's no substantial proof to your claims of Hillary not having a concussion and that this is somehow all part of this big, nonexistent conspiracy.

i didn't bring up bush

somebody else did - it's either bush or gay marriage that gets inserted into most threads

and who said hillary isn't sick ? not me - i like her - she's done a good job - good appt. by obama - probably a shot gun wedding

i think obama's story telling about this situation is proof that he's bad news

especially the lie during the candy crowley debate

[palbert]

Jack, grow up!

[FuryOfFirestorm]

[Jack Springer]

Bottom line is that Clinton does not want to testify about Benghazi. She would have to lie in her testimony to protect the President and the crazy story about video and whatever else that is so important that the Administration does not want to talk about.

The concussion excuse is just an excuse. If she is so ill, maybe she should just resign right now and check herself into the hospital.

If she decides to run for Prez in 2016. This will not be forgotten.

[justdra]

It is truly depraved the lengths to which one side of our political landscape have to reach simply to attempt and make something stick. Republicans bring mudslinging to an all new level.

So is Hillary going to die from the concussion / Flu? Did investigating the lies that led to the death of thousands of Americans, an unnecessary war and cost trillions of dollars which was also given full faith and credit by another Rice investigated moments after or did it take four years to finally finish the investigation into Iraq, WMD and the complicity of the Bush Administration in lying to the American congress. (Who coincidently did not get upset because it was a republican lying to them)

What exactly is to stop Hillary from testifying in January? What about February?

Molehill you shall forever more be known as Mountain.

Those were basically my thinking? I didn't think she was in a permanent coma, just a had a concussion and knowing the way they are chomping at the bit, they would have someone still asking her questions to see if she could tap out a response or measure her brainwaves. Im sure they will be waiting for her to say she is fine and then the show will begin. It doesn't matter what will be said, if it doesn't coincide with the answers they "think they know" then it won't suffice.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Good thing Hillary didn't die or fall into a coma, or Derp Patrol would be demanding a brainscan or an autopsy to prove she's not faking it to avoid testifying.

[Lestatnj]

Bottom line is that Clinton does not want to testify about Benghazi. She would have to lie in her testimony to protect the President and the crazy story about video and whatever else that is so important that the Administration does not want to talk about.

The concussion excuse is just an excuse. If she is so ill, maybe she should just resign right now and check herself into the hospital.

If she decides to run for Prez in 2016. This will not be forgotten.

You're no doubt still frothing at the mouth about Vince Foster......

ABC News tonite had no doubt that she WILL testify in the near future.........

[Jack Springer]

UPDATE: Clinton still has the Benghazi flu.

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius is not recommending a special flu shoot though. Seems the flu only affects members of the Obama Administration when asked to testify before Congress about the deaths to State Department Ambassadors and staff members and embassy and consulate security.

[TX-Beau]

Good thing Hillary didn't die or fall into a coma, or Derp Patrol would be demanding a brainscan or an autopsy to prove she's not faking it to avoid testifying.

No she would have been assassinated by Obama to make sure she didn't testify.

[rareboy]

UPDATE: Clinton still has the Benghazi flu.

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius is not recommending a special flu shoot though. Seems the flu only affects members of the Obama Administration when asked to testify before Congress about the deaths to State Department Ambassadors and staff members and embassy and consulate security.

I hope you didn't hurt your fingers stabbing at the keys on your keyboard.

But just a couple of points to underscore how stupid your post is.

A.) There is no special flu 'shoot' (sic) that you can take once you have the flu.

B.) The secretary of HHS is not the personal physician to the SoS, despite what the little voices might suggest.

C.) The flu that is running around right now is not just affecting the Obama administration. It has also devastated our offices over the last two weeks.

D.) Clinton is resting after a concussion. If you've ever had one, you'd know that rest and limiting movement as well as observation are pretty important in case there is a cranial hematoma

E.) No one has said she won't be testifying at some point.

You should just try to relax a bit. You and the rest of the FOX Nation seem to have Benghazi Syndrome pretty bad and it can't be good for your blood pressure.

[TX-Beau]

Well, ya know Rareboy, houses built of cards require careful tending and are very stressful.

[xbuzzerx]

Bottom line is that Clinton does not want to testify about Benghazi. She would have to lie in her testimony to protect the President and the crazy story about video and whatever else that is so important that the Administration does not want to talk about.

The concussion excuse is just an excuse. If she is so ill, maybe she should just resign right now and check herself into the hospital.

If she decides to run for Prez in 2016. This will not be forgotten.

I continued to be awed by your mindreading skills, first about what black Congresswomen really mean in their 'code talk', and now Hillary's diabolical master plan.

It's amazing you present this stuff with a straight face and then have the absolute audacity to reply to me demanding proof.

[Rolyo85]

If she decides to run for Prez in 2016. This will not be forgotten.

It already is ^_^

[Jack Springer]

I continued to be awed by your mindreading skills, first about what black Congresswomen really mean in their 'code talk', and now Hillary's diabolical master plan.

It's amazing you present this stuff with a straight face and then have the absolute audacity to reply to me demanding proof.

What black congresswoman?

Confusing man.

[chrisrobin]

Bottom line is that Clinton does not want to testify about Benghazi. She would have to lie in her testimony to protect the President and the crazy story about video and whatever else that is so important that the Administration does not want to talk about.

The concussion excuse is just an excuse. If she is so ill, maybe she should just resign right now and check herself into the hospital.

If she decides to run for Prez in 2016. This will not be forgotten.

I should say not. What do you expect from someone who murdered Vince Foster?

[chance1]

The report is pretty damning

While not pointing the finger at Hills

But since she's the head of state

It's on her

More to follow

Spontaneous reaction to a video ?

Who said that ?

At least the report didn't blame ambassador Stevens for his own death

[Sausy]

The report is a bit mealy mouthed in that it blames systemic failures and it's damning about the negligence and breakdown of security at the Benghazi consulate but doesn't place responsibility on anyone. Three resignations afterwards but it's unfathomable this was allowed to happen...there was NO way it should have come to the deadly results of a terror mob attack. I look forward to Secretary Clinton's eventual testimony before the committee...hopefully her concussion hasn't dimmed her memory on the details much.

[JayHawk]

^ Well at least one of those screaming injustice before the report was even completed has seen reason and recognized Clinton will testify and this is simply hysterics......

I thought the report was rather useful. It identified the tools useful and needed to be augmented for a man in the Ambassador's position of decision making.

The report itself can be read in its entirely at the LINK....

Some pertinent excerpts:

Risk mitigation involves two imperatives – engagement and security – which require wise leadership, good intelligence and evaluation, proper defense and strong preparedness and, at times, downsizing, indirect access and even withdrawal. There is no one paradigm. Experienced leadership, close coordination and agility, timely informed decision making, and adequate funding and personnel resources are essential.

Didya read that decision making part Chance?

That said, Embassy Tripoli did not demonstrate strong and sustained advocacy with Washington for increased security for Special Mission Benghazi.

I wonder what that means? And gee golly I wonder WHO Embassy Tripoli is? Or rather unfortunately now must be referred to as WAS.

In the weeks and months leading up to the attacks, the response from post, Embassy Tripoli, and Washington to a deteriorating security situation was inadequate.

Gee that inadequate response wasn't from Embassy Tripoli again was it Chance?

Ambassador Stevens and Benghazi-based DS agents had taken the anniversary into account and decided to hold all meetings on-compound on September 11.

SO where we at so far... despite repeated request for additional security indicating an in-depth leadership knowledge of inadequate security the decision was STILL made to hold meetings at the compound...

The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice. Timing for his trip was driven in part by commitments in Tripoli, as well as a staffing gap between principal officers in Benghazi. Plans for the Ambassador’s trip provided for minimal close protection security support and were not shared thoroughly with the Embassy’s country team, who were not fully aware of planned movements off compound. The Ambassador did not see a direct threat of an attack of this nature and scale on the U.S. Mission in the overall negative trendline of security incidents from spring to summer 2012. His status as the leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his judgments.

Huh... i will be god damned..... ...read that one again...



I could go through the rest of the report but that would be redundant. My point has been made and made easily. When bad things happen at a local level leadership is never far from fault. I never said outside resources were adequate or that he was fully supported with every item he wanted. However, he was in charge and he knew that.

This report also blew up the right wing's crying points on the matter.

Such as:
Where's the military response bullshit that was bemoaned here by armchair warriors.

The conspiracy theories led by some on here that Obama refused them support from the CIA Annex was completely debunked.

It also made quite clear that Ambassador Stevens was aware that while he tried to keep a low profile it was compromised the night before when the media showed up at a private meeting. He went solo on this one not even informing his entire in country staff of his travels that anonymity.

That is why you wait until a report or an investigation is completed before coming to hysterical conclusions. The Americans who died were in a dangerous profession doing America's work. They are brave and should be remembered as the patriotic servants of this nation that they were in life. However, you do not escape the mantle of leadership by death.

[chance1]

Nice . I guess the finding is that Ambassador Stevens deserved a slow and painful death

Good cut and paste - time consuming I imagine

Same report said
"Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was INADEQUATE, despite REPEATED requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing"

Hmmmmm

sorta opposite to your Obamallegiance POV

and I haven't heard or read any news outlet with your "Stevens brought it upon himself" conclusion

Selective much ?

More to come

[JayHawk]

Nice . I guess the finding is that Ambassador Stevens deserved a slow and painful death

Good cut and paste - time consuming I imagine

Same report said
"Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was INADEQUATE, despite REPEATED requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing"

Hmmmmm

sorta opposite to your Obamallegiance POV

and I haven't heard or read any news outlet with your "Stevens brought it upon himself" conclusion

Selective much ?

More to come

You dont get it do you....

Okay so lets put it into terms you might understand.... say they are selling Birtney Spears concert tickets in a bad part of town. You keep telling all your teenage girlfriends that you need more security to go get the tickets...like ya know?

they still don't give you more security.... or join you in making it a girls day to go get the tickets.

So you make the decision to go by yourself to the bad part of town KNOWING you could get hurt.

You get hurt.

Who made the actual decision that resulted in getting hurt?

Should your girl friends have supported you if they were going to enjoy the concert too? You betcha and if you actually read what i have written you will see I fully support all the changes to make a clearer line of authority over security...

What I don't do is post for months about some magical conspiracy theory where the only true purpose to your posting is to blame Obama for something you hope sticks. It is intellectually dishonest. And you know your wrong. Cheers.

BTW if you think cutting and pasting is difficult you must have a hard life since we invented this computer thingy and introduced it to the mainstream of the business world.

[rareboy]

Nice . I guess the finding is that Ambassador Stevens deserved a slow and painful death

Good cut and paste - time consuming I imagine

Same report said
"Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was INADEQUATE, despite REPEATED requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing"

Hmmmmm

sorta opposite to your Obamallegiance POV

and I haven't heard or read any news outlet with your "Stevens brought it upon himself" conclusion

Selective much ?

More to come

Yes this proves it. Obama and Clinton should be put on a tumbrel and taken to be beheaded.

They should roll the clock back and make Obama lose the election.

Jesus Christ. It is going to be a long, long four years for you.

Prediction for September 2013: You are still obsessed with Benghazi.

[chance1]

You dont get it do you....

Okay so lets put it into terms you might understand.... say they are selling Birtney Spears concert tickets in a bad part of town. You keep telling all your teenage girlfriends that you need more security to go get the tickets...like ya know?

they still don't give you more security.... or join you in making it a girls day to go get the tickets.

So you make the decision to go by yourself to the bad part of town KNOWING you could get hurt.

You get hurt.

Who made the actual decision that resulted in getting hurt?

Should your girl friends have supported you if they were going to enjoy the concert too? You betcha and if you actually read what i have written you will see I fully support all the changes to make a clearer line of authority over security...

What I don't do is post for months about some magical conspiracy theory where the only true purpose to your posting is to blame Obama for something you hope sticks. It is intellectually dishonest. And you know your wrong. Cheers.

BTW if you think cutting and pasting is difficult you must have a hard life since we invented this computer thingy and introduced it to the mainstream of the business world.

Pretty off the rails

Not a Britney fan - check Music Choice thread I started for a better sense

The actual point is twofold:

1 - Actions reactions post event story telling by the admin was awful and investigation worthy - it was a political coverup of a genuinely poorly handled/botched situation - 4 brave and now dead Americans

2 - your reaction and subsequent cut and paste of findings is tragic and disingenuous

You're sorta doing your own cover up here trying to double down on the fucked up premise that Stevens - a man you referenced several x with the wrong name when it happened - was to blame

The report says "systematic failure"

Hills is in charge despite your long and torturous "do you know how these things work" deflect

In summary (imagining myself a lawyer) it's clear that this was and is a shit show with a few sacrificial lambs tapped in the head

With Hillary's testimony to come

[Jack Springer]

I searched the State Department document for the word video and movie to find out if the investigation addressed that issue -- they did not.

However, they did say that Al Qaeda is alive and well -- which is not good for the USA or the world.

[JayHawk]

I searched the State Department document for the word video and movie to find out if the investigation addressed that issue -- they did not.

However, they did say that Al Qaeda is alive and well -- which is not good for the USA or the world.

Why would you address a video in the investigation? The video spawned the protest at all the other locations. Yet another conspiracy debunked. Yet another reason to wait for facts before jumping to conclusions...

[chance1]

Yes this proves it. Obama and Clinton should be put on a tumbrel and taken to be beheaded.

They should roll the clock back and make Obama lose the election.

Jesus Christ. It is going to be a long, long four years for you.

Prediction for September 2013: You are still obsessed with Benghazi.

actually i was responding to another post that selected pieces of a report that fit a pretty fucked up narrative

but by all means do your rareboy (un)reality play

which i imagine supports it was stevens own fault for his death and the death of 3 others

that hillary clinton as head of the state dept. has nothing to do with it and needn't answer questions

that barack obama as hillary's boss and the president of the u.s. doesn't have to address it actually he can lie about it picking and choosing the story to tell depending on the audience and time

that questioning the president is hatred or racist

stop me at any moment

[JayHawk]

Pretty off the rails

Not a Britney fan - check Music Choice thread I started for a better sense

The actual point is twofold:

1 - Actions reactions post event story telling by the admin was awful and investigation worthy - it was a political coverup of a genuinely poorly handled/botched situation - 4 brave and now dead Americans

2 - your reaction and subsequent cut and paste of findings is tragic and disingenuous

You're sorta doing your own cover up here trying to double down on the fucked up premise that Stevens - a man you referenced several x with the wrong name when it happened - was to blame

The report says "systematic failure"

Hills is in charge despite your long and torturous "do you know how these things work" deflect

In summary (imagining myself a lawyer) it's clear that this was and is a shit show with a few sacrificial lambs tapped in the head

With Hillary's testimony to come

See here is where you fail. I have been in countries making security calls and KNOW who is responsible for making decisions. You have claimed from the outset the brave brave Ambassador was not in any way culpable... yet the report says otherwise.

You default to your normal mode when found to be incorrect and cry moral foul. Oh ..ohhh someone has offended me ... oh the travesty ... oh the injustice...

it is all just an act. if you truly cared you wouldn't call for wars that you take no part of.

I agreed early on there were many things that could have been better from the admin... yet the final decision belongs to the man on the ground.

The problem for you is you cannot address that or admit you were entirely incorrect about all the other conspiracy theories the report debunks. The end game for you and Jack is that Obama is at fault. When that has no truth to it in any shred of the imagination.

Sad to sink to such lows but again it is you chance.

[Jack Springer]

Why would you address a video in the investigation? The video spawned the protest at all the other locations. Yet another conspiracy debunked. Yet another reason to wait for facts before jumping to conclusions...

What happened to your memory? The Administration kept blaming the video for the deaths for 3 weeks after the incident.

Does Rice talking about the video on 5 Sunday TV shows ring a bell?

[JayHawk]

What happened to your memory? The Administration kept blaming the video for the deaths for 3 weeks after the incident.

Does Rice talking about the video on 5 Sunday TV shows ring a bell?

What happen to your memory. She stated "We believe it may have been caused by a video made mocking islam that has casued protest across the region, however let me caution there is an investigation underway and the facts will come out. "

Here are the facts.

The attack was not caused by the video it was opportunistic. However the right wing nutbags including our very own here on JUB demanded the video didn't cause a single problem anywhere. that was a complete lie and they knew it.

it is not my fault it was a election year and a desperate losing campaign chose to make it a talking point and so the inept legions got right in line without the capability to understand common english words when spoken.

[Jack Springer]

I guess it's OK if you want to rewrite history in your own mind.

I guess it makes you happy.

[chance1]

I guess it's OK if you want to rewrite history in your own mind.

I guess it makes you happy.

happy is not the word

[JayHawk]

I guess it's OK if you want to rewrite history in your own mind.

I guess it makes you happy.

So explain to me how the words were stated differently... I paraphrased but feel free to quote her actual words... there are thousands of video clips... I will wait for you to prove she said something different than what i just said...

[Rolyo85]

I guess it's OK if you want to rewrite history in your own mind.

I guess it makes you happy.

Talking to yourself publicly is a very unattractive quality.

[xbuzzerx]

Nice . I guess the finding is that Ambassador Stevens deserved a slow and painful death

Good cut and paste - time consuming I imagine

Same report said
"Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was INADEQUATE, despite REPEATED requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing"

Hmmmmm

sorta opposite to your Obamallegiance POV

and I haven't heard or read any news outlet with your "Stevens brought it upon himself" conclusion

Selective much ?

More to come

When we don't have a proper embassy security budget, embassy security becomes a game of prioritizing resources. That means bad calls are going to be made since the resources aren't there to have beefed security at every possible trouble location on the planet simultaneously.

I don't think anyone denies-- even President Obama-- that mistakes were made here. However this shilling from your comrades here in CE&P that this was all somehow intentional and that President Obama personally pulled his own version of sitting in a classroom reading My Pet Goat and refused to help, or that he was privy to and approved such a reaction from Hillary or anyone else-- is completely unfounded. It comes from nowhere but an irrational gut belief that Dems are evil and hate America and want to see it burn.

I find all of the finger pointing and witch hunting to be hypocritical in the highest degree coming from people who support a party that opposed increasing the embassy security budget because they were so busy opposing ANYTHING Democrats wanted they paid no attention to the consequences of anything they were filibustering. Take it up with your party and your representatives.

[chance1]

Talking to yourself publicly is a very unattractive quality.

quoting yourself is worse - very much so

size and scope elroy

hillary was resting while her team lost their gigs - MERRY CHRISTMAS

On Wednesday, four State Department officials, including two who oversaw security decisions at the diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, were disciplined after a review of security failures there, senior State Department officials told CNN. One resigned, while three others have been placed on administrative leave and relieved of their duties, said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.

An independent review released Tuesday cited "systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies" at the agency Clinton heads.

not exactly a ringing endorsement of hillary's management

too bad they couldn't just blame ambassador stevens like some self prescribed experts

good news is hillary's bump on the head will heal and she'll be able to share her explanation

can't wait

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/politi...acy/index.html

[JayHawk]

In another incident where time and again republican screaming and antics results in NONE of their conspiracies ringing true you have to wonder why we bother engaging that party of buffoons.

[chance1]

Better to desecrate the dead I guess huh ?

And misrepresent findings to support your own baseless claims

[JayHawk]

Whatever you say... I havent seen you admit all your ravings were inept and wrong yet... you gonna do that?

I mean you are always the one claiming others "know it all" Surely one so pure as the driven snow admits her wrongs?

[CTF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=Th_aBzrV37M#!

Let's be careful.

[TX-Beau]

Hmmmmm so distracting us with shirtless boys will probably work.