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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    1. We hide our direct connection.
    Our connection to what?


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    2. We get the arms out of Libya.
    Seems like a good idea.


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    3. We get the arms to Syria, which gets weapons from Russia, and thus there is familiarity with the weapon and needed parts and ammunition.
    And that familiarity probably reduces the training required to prepare the recipients of those weapons for their use and maintenance.


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    4. If the conflict subsides, the arms may well pivot vs. Russian interests.
    Or we could buy them back yet again and send them to the next group we want to support who may also have familiarity with the weapons and their parts, etc.


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    5. See Iran Contra.
    I donít understand your mention of Iran Contra. Hasnít the US publicly announced an intention to arm the opposition forces?


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    6. If we put no "no-fly" into effect, the only aircraft to engage are Syrian.
    Does arming the opposition forces with surface to air missiles decrease the likelihood that we could be successful in instituting a no-fly zone over Syria?


    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    7 We know their operational characteristics but have not disclosed ours.
    Operational characteristics of the weapons or something else?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Our connection to what?

    Seems like a good idea.

    And that familiarity probably reduces the training required to prepare the recipients of those weapons for their use and maintenance.

    Or we could buy them back yet again and send them to the next group we want to support who may also have familiarity with the weapons and their parts, etc.

    I don’t understand your mention of Iran Contra. Hasn’t the US publicly announced an intention to arm the opposition forces?

    Does arming the opposition forces with surface to air missiles decrease the likelihood that we could be successful in instituting a no-fly zone over Syria?

    Operational characteristics of the weapons or something else?
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Being asked to explain random stated expressions is not something suited to any JUB poster.

    I found it ironic a key member of the supposed Benghazi cover up was confirmed by the Senate today (maybe it was yesterday) ... regardless they confirmed the woman without even a discussion of the matter. Obviously the republicans understand how little water their election year Benghazi bucket holds when they wont even obstruct a nomination.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    I`m sure that Faux Noise was absolutely disappointed that there were no Terrorist attacks on US interests this week.

    It destroys the narrative.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Hola Bitches. Long time no see.

    Still at it are we.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Still at it are we [?]
    The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will hear public testimony next Thursday (September 19), which will include former Admiral Mike Mullen, Ambassador Thomas Pickering, two independent reviewers of the findings of the Accountability Review Board, and family members of the victims who died.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    I was referring to this thread.

    Do you think someone is going to change their mind.

    Ever the optimist?
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I was referring to this thread.

    Do you think someone is going to change their mind.

    Ever the optimist?
    Oh, I donít know about changing minds; however, I was optimistic to gain additional insight regarding the possible nexus between Libyan arms purchases, Iran Contra, and supplying arms to the Syrian opposition. It would seem that more information is better, dontchaknow.

    Then again, maybe itís all just an exercise in obtusity.


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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Oh, I don’t know about changing minds; however, I was optimistic to gain additional insight regarding the possible nexus between Libyan arms purchases, Iran Contra, and supplying arms to the Syrian opposition. It would seem that more information is better, dontchaknow.

    Then again, maybe it’s all just an exercise in obtusity. ...
    Unfortunately, until people talk, until the classified is unclassified and until the fog rises above this event, we are left only with surmise. Were it otherwise I would gladly sit down with you, in front of a fire, with a snifter of brandy, and tell the tale.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will hear public testimony next Thursday (September 19), which will include former Admiral Mike Mullen, Ambassador Thomas Pickering, two independent reviewers of the findings of the Accountability Review Board, and family members of the victims who died.
    And at the end of the day,no on e is going to change their minds. People are going to hear what they want to hear.
    And I'll be blunt,if the Republicans run Rand Paul or Ted Cruz as their candidate and Hilary runs as well,no one is going to care about Benganzi.
    The groups Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have already smeared (the poor,blacks,LGBT,moderates etc) aren't going to be swayed by the four families of the victims any more then people were by the Newtown families on gun control.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    ^^

    So why not release the information?

    If not the public ... why not to the families? What could be so important to national security that the Administration cannot tell the families how their loved ones died?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    So why not release the information?

    If not the public ... why not to the families? What could be so important to national security that the Administration cannot tell the families how their loved ones died?
    I'm not sure how they died is at issue. It's pretty obvious.

    I think we should know why.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I'm not sure how they died is at issue. It's pretty obvious.

    I think we should know why.
    They died because they were working security at a US consulate in an unstable country that came under attack. It's pretty clear. The risk to life and limb is made clear to these people well in advance of their arrival in country. They are there to guard US personnel and interests regardless of what those are. It doesn't make a difference whether they were there working on arms transfers or having a dinner party for the Benghazi elite.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    ^^

    So why doesn't the Administration want to talk about it with the families or the American people?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    So why doesn't the Administration want to talk about it with the families or the American people?
    Are the families not aware that their loved ones were killed in the line of duty in Benghazi, Libya due to an attack on the compound(s) they were protecting? It seems to me that's all the families really need to know, but I would like to hear what it is they aren't being told. I'm thinking it's more of a case of Republicans who have failed to create any kind of controversy around this using them as political pawns in further attempts to try to get this to gain some traction.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Are the families not aware that their loved ones were killed in the line of duty in Benghazi, Libya due to an attack on the compound(s) they were protecting? It seems to me that's all the families really need to know, but I would like to hear what it is they aren't being told. I'm thinking it's more of a case of Republicans who have failed to create any kind of controversy around this using them as political pawns in further attempts to try to get this to gain some traction.
    I thin if this was an Iran Contra type operation, the - and we - have the right to know. So long as hints and rumors scurry around under the coverage blanket my concerns will be undiminished.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Since there will never be any way to "prove" you know everything, and since rumors will scurry forever unfounded or not, prepare to be concerned forever.

    Or is that exactly the point of this particular "concern."
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Since there will never be any way to "prove" you know everything, and since rumors will scurry forever unfounded or not, prepare to be concerned forever.

    Or is that exactly the point of this particular "concern."
    I am still concerned about the attack on the USS Liberty, and whether Henry VII antedated his accession to the day before Bosworth, so a concern about this event falls into place.

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