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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    ^^

    The Obama Administration secretly approves US weapon sales from Libya to Syria.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    When John Kennedy was murdered do we blame the Secret Service for their perceived inadequacies or accept that there are no security guarantees for diplomats stationed in unstable countries and that the across aisle blame game won't resurrect the dead.
    There was an investigation after Kennedy's murder ... why not an investigation about these murders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was an investigation after Kennedy's murder ... why not an investigation about these murders?
    There was no firm conclusion onwho did it leaving the public to speculate over conspiracy theories...to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh hey, Chance, Jack. So, what's the difference between Benghazi and the attacks during Bush?
    There was an combined effort by republicans and democrats for investigations of 9/11. Why not do that now?

    Embarrassing how dem representatives ignored what happened and made political statement for the Administration during the hearing on Wednesday.

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    The worst one is why no one is holding George W Bush accountable for the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington DC where thousands of Americans died.

    Springer why aren't you condemning that?

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    There was no firm conclusion onwho did it leaving the public to speculate over conspiracy theories...to this day.
    WHEN WILL WE GET ANSWERS?

    BENGHAZI!

    Kennedy's mother is still waiting to know the truth!
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

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    ^^

    The Obama Administration secretly approves US weapon sales from Libya to Syria.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    In the current confused environment in Syria the wrong people (Islamists) will receive arms that they will use against Assad's forces.

    Allegiances change rapidly during civil wars with the hope that when Assad is eventually ousted Islamist rebel factions will either be disarmed or will be integrated into a new Syrian Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    The Reagan administration secretly sold weapons to Iran.
    Iran-Contra affair:

    http://www.brown.edu/Research/Unders...Contra_Affair/

    Why didn't Reagan go to prison for that?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    WHEN WILL WE GET ANSWERS?

    BENGHAZI!

    Kennedy's mother is still waiting to know the truth!
    How long is a length of rope? How deep is a hole? My crystal ball fails me on this particular matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    WHEN WILL WE GET ANSWERS?

    BENGHAZI!

    Kennedy's mother is still waiting to know the truth!
    BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!


    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans

    BENGHAZI! tourette syndrome.

    Let's place bets on what the next republican manufactured scandal will be and who it will target.....

    1) Hillary Clinton.....?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    The truth will set u free

    Looks like most here r not interested in the truth

    Pity

    And not very flattering

    Personally I'll take Hicks or Nordstrom testimony

    Over the CE+P resident "experts"

    Lots of facts that IMO suggest w/o much doubt at a minimum

    That the admin wanted and pushed a
    Story that wasn't true

    Because

    We know

    Not sending help is curious

    Obama where was he during this event is .....

    Unknown still

    Fund raising clearly more ...... Important

    3 insiders who knew

    Smelly mofo stuff

    While many say "bush"

    Lol
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    ^.... 19 line scold post..... impressive!

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    You can always count on Bob for personal attacks.

    Stick to the subject.

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    You can always count on Bob for personal attacks.

    Stick to the subject.
    You can always count on Springer for personal attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    The Obama Administration secretly approves US weapon sales from Libya to Syria.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was an investigation after Kennedy's murder ... why not an investigation about these murders?
    Stick to the subject.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    In the current confused environment in Syria the wrong people (Islamists) will receive arms that they will use against Assad's forces.

    Allegiances change rapidly during civil wars with the hope that when Assad is eventually ousted Islamist rebel factions will either be disarmed or will be integrated into a new Syrian Army.
    No surprise that the Free Syrian rebels are defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda-linked group.
    Last edited by Yuki Sohma; May 9th, 2013 at 10:43 AM.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Can the moderators please take care of this please ?

    Some clearly are not interested in the subject matter

    Thanks

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    The Free Syrian rebels are defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda-linked group.
    A few rebel factions have so done. Most rebel factions - there are many - are not committed to Islamist ideology continuing to receive support financial and arms from anti Assad sources such as Oman, Saudi Arabia, UAE even Israel. The UK and the USA are also providing support undisclosed for reasons of political sensitivity but I understand that the UK has advisors on the ground directing the efforts of a few rebel factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ... I understand that the UK has advisors on the ground directing the efforts of a few rebel factions.
    Good for the Brits any word out there if CIA is on-the-ground yet.
    Last edited by Yuki Sohma; May 9th, 2013 at 10:51 AM.

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    Can the moderators please take care of this please ?

    Some clearly are not interested in the subject matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    Good for the Brits I wonder if CIA is on-the-ground yet.
    My dad hasn't specified which UK and USA organisations are involved. I suspect (my guess) that SAS are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    My dad hasn't specified which UK and USA organisations are involved. I suspect (my guess) that SAS are there.
    Thanks k., once again, good for the British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    MJ is actually covering Benghazi this morning but totally caring water for the OA.

    They are pretty much calling Hicks a liar.

    Anyway anyone looks at this -- there needs to be answers to why security was so lax.

    Do you guys really not care? Richard Nixon would have loved to have you around in the 70's.
    I hear what you saying and I'm still trying to figure out the same question you ask about the 1983 attack in Beirut killing 241 Americans in the barracks. But that's okay because Reagan took charge calling it a ""despicable act" and then leaving. Oh well, I guess you are still just as concerned about the largest number of Americans military personal killed in a single attack since the Vietnam war as you are over this current scandal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Can the moderators please take care of this please ?

    Some clearly are not interested in the subject matter

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    Bush/Cheney on Halliburton, or anything...investigate and scream to high heavens. Reagan/Contra on they too were laser like in keeping an issue alive....surprisingly I do agree with them about abuse of power. But the collective heads up the ass regarding Benghazi or anything Obama -contaminated... we wait til events are about to spin out of control, THEN and only then do we act. By waiting so long in Syria we now face a crisis no matter who wins out as the vacuum was filled in by he fervent Islamist factions. You on the left don't sugarcoat your Bush hate. Well, I have no interest in hate for it's own sake, but if your goddamn blinded eyes cannot see you've been handed a bill of goods by that living Wizard of Oz fraud Barack Obama then you get what you deserve...and I made plenty of posts when Bush was president questioning his policies, so don't even dare call me a Bush apologist or suckup.
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    I hear what you saying and I'm still trying to figure out the same question you ask about the 1983 attack in Beirut killing 241 Americans in the barracks. But that's okay because Reagan took charge calling it a ""despicable act" and then leaving. Oh well, I guess you are still just as concerned about the largest number of Americans military personal killed in a single attack since the Vietnam war as you are over this current scandal.
    I think Reagan was wrong. In my opinion he chickened out .. we should have stayed and fought maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if he, Congress, and the American people had had the guts to wipe out Al Qaeda at that time.

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    I think Reagan was wrong. In my opinion he chickened out .. we should have stayed and fought maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if he, Congress, and the American people had had the guts to wipe out Al Qaeda at that time.
    But did the American people learn the truth about that attack? Were the right questions asked? Did the soldiers' mothers learn how their sons had died?

    OR ARE THEY STILL WAITING?!

    BENGHAZI!!!
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    But did the American people learn the truth about that attack? Were the right questions asked? Did the soldiers' mothers learn how their sons had died?

    OR ARE THEY STILL WAITING?!

    BENGHAZI!!!
    The American people will wait until Hell freezes over.

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    The right wingers have turned this into a circus. They don't care about the "4 dead Americans" any more than they can name them. They're exploiting this attack, turing it into a scandal in an attempt to trap their political enemies.

    If anyone has pissed on the "4 dead Americans", it's the right wing republicans who are exploiting their deaths for political gain.

    Springer is exploiting this too. Getting his jollies over this thread.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Actually the testimony is from 3 respected members of the Obama admin

    Not republicans
    Not right wingers

    Auto pilot much ?

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    Sad that some can't or won't read

    The truth is too disturbing

    I don't think this is impeachable

    Or will negatively impact Hillary's run

    That's not the point

    It's a shame more people don't want to know

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    So, chance, how about Bush jr and his conspiracy to hide the embassy attacks during his reign? Oh, and WHEN WILL WE KNOW THE TRUTH OF 9/11?!!?!!

    BENGHAZI!!!
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Pretty sure that we knew about the Japanese invasion plans

    That's a theory anyway

    What 70 years ago

    Or maybe some 1776 stuff too

    Something in the tea ?

    Kindergarten esque

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    Please stick the subject of this thread.

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    Oh, and let's force Bush to tell us what really happened on 9/11 eh? You eager to do that, Jack?
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    ... anything to try to change the subject huh ...

    To quote Hillary Clinton .... what does it matter anyway.

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    Oh, and let's force Bush to tell us what really happened on 9/11 eh? You eager to do that, Jack?
    There was a full blown inquiry about 9/11 -- responsible democrats, republicans, and independents participated. Why not now?

    http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Sad that some can't or won't read

    The truth is too disturbing

    I don't think this is impeachable

    Or will negatively impact Hillary's run

    That's not the point

    It's a shame more people don't want to know
    Impeachable, probably not.Incredibly bad judgement, and very questionable actions from at least some in the Obama Administration... Obama himself, likely? Absolutely, without a doubt yes. I do think Hillary Clinton has disqualified herself as a presidential possibility in the future . Obama had his 3am call just as the Clinton campaign proposed and was completely out of his element... and she helped muddy the waters and keep things in the dark to the public. She is owed nothing and owes those she failed a lot more than she can ever repay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    There was a full blown inquiry about 9/11 -- responsible democrats, republicans, and independents participated. Why not now?

    http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
    Cause the scope doesn't merit it, just like it didn't when embassies were attacked during Bush? Or are those different? Chance seems to be fuzzy on the issue.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Originally Posted by Rolyo85
    Oh hey, Chance, Jack. So, what's the difference between Benghazi and the attacks during Bush?



    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was an combined effort by republicans and democrats for investigations of 9/11. Why not do that now?

    Embarrassing how dem representatives ignored what happened and made political statement for the Administration during the hearing on Wednesday.
    I'm pretty sure he was asking about the multiple embassy attacks (with many deaths!) during the Bush error.

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...-benghazi-many

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Well if jay carney thinks Benghazi was "long time ago" I imagine any prior events are a "really long time ago"

    Try to stay here and now ok ?

    It's abundantly clear with supporting testimony from people who actually had reason not to say so.

    That prior
    That during
    That after

    The holy trinity if u will

    Major mistakes were made
    Lies were told
    An investigation was thwarted

    Try to stay with this

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    The worst one is why no one is holding George W Bush accountable for the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington DC where thousands of Americans died.

    ?
    Why should they? There was no cover-up. And let's not forget the reason why the CIA and FBI weren't sharing their intel at the time.
    It was because of a ruling by someone in the Clinton administration.

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    Cause the scope doesn't merit it, just like it didn't when embassies were attacked during Bush? Or are those different? Chance seems to be fuzzy on the issue.
    Your running uninformed "commentaty" Is of no never mind to anyone in search of an adult observation regardless of POV

    Bush is old news - and only germane to obstructionists - ironically the same term (correctly) u use for many republican congressman

    Any rational view of the events results in "what the fuck"

    Regardless of your party of choice

    Course that would require reading about it

    Which appears to raise the bar too high

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    How is it that the ambassador went to the consulate in Benghazi, when the embassy and security is in Tripoli?

    He had been warned there was no government in Benghazi, no law enforcement.

    He took little security. You can not go into a lawless area and expect to find security.

    He of all people should have understood this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Well ... up your own ass ... but we know that can never happen when you have a dick the size of gorilla.

    STFU and stay on the topic of the thread.

    .... now back to the subject for forcing the Administration to come clean tell the story of what happened that night in Benghazi and why it sought to tell Americans it was a protest about a strange video.
    Such trashy language coming from a good wholesome Christian. Would your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ talk like that?

    Hang your head in shame Springer.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Such trashy language coming from a good wholesome Christian. Would your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ talk like that?

    Hang your head in shame Springer.....
    actually jack has shown great restraint while several have attempted to derail

    jack tries to keep it real but a couple few not interested in a real dialogue do what they do

    tiresome, dull and off topic

    and every so often mount jack erupts

    where was Obama while this ordeal played out btw ? shooting hoops? preparing his speech for the fundraisers in las Vegas

    i see pix of him in command central with regard to search/destroy of OBL

    here american lives were at risk

    what was he doing ?

    that's just one of the issues

    one of many

    none of which make him look like a leader, truthful or forthcoming

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    Why should they? There was no cover-up. And let's not forget the reason why the CIA and FBI weren't sharing their intel at the time.
    It was because of a ruling by someone in the Clinton administration.
    HOW CAM WE BE SURE???!!!!

    WHEN WILL WE KNOW THE TRUTH??!!!

    BENGHAZ... Oh wait...
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    Chance, I'm sure Jack can wipe his own ass without you doing it for him. Although with the amount of diarrhea in this topic...
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    There are some clearly good points being made in this thread here.

    This is, after all, part of the national debate.

    Though some comments toward each other are more pointed than the CE&P Posting Guidelines allow.

    So let us just assume, for the moment, that each side is correct in their observations.

    The Obama Administration wasn't quick to follow in his predecessors (Bush43's) foot steps and quickly label this "an act of terrorism."

    I'm only assuming that Bush43 did each and every time members of the State Department were murdered overseas on his watch, thus thwarting any further investigation.

    As a fellow American, what am I missing here?

    This is clearly a "foreign policy" issue.

    The Boston Bombings, what is that an "immigration issue?"

    4 Dead 160 - 200 maimed or wounded.

    The Explosion of a Fertilizer Plant in West, Texas, what is that a "regulation issue?"

    14 dead 200+ injured, wounded, and now homeless.

    With all of the myriad problems that are WRONG in our Country, and with our Government (both local, state, and federal), and with our political system, and with our elected representatives, Benghazi is the defining moment of our times?

    Really?

    REALLY???

    I just wish that someone, either a fellow observer here, or a true journalist anywhere in what remains of our Corporate Owned National Media would explain Benghazi to me to help me to understand the implications of it all.

    To me?

    It's just politics, catering to the fearful, and the unknowing.

    Pandering to their fears of national insecurity, and giving "whoever they are" reason to blame someone for their sad lot in life.

    Benghazi is a distraction.

    It's both smoke and mirrors.

    Does anyone know how many people die in America everyday from Medical Malpractice?

    From malnourishment?

    From Poverty?

    For lack of Medical Coverage?

    Or how many of our parents go to bed each night hungry, because their prescription drugs that aren't covered eat into their grocery budget?

    Benghazi.

    Benghazi.

    Benghazi.

    Get Obama and his cronies to answer the Republicans question about that, and all of our Nation's troubles will be solved.

    The GOP in Washington will unleash their reigns of power, and all will be right as rain.

    Benghazi.

    Who knew?

    If those who are most in favor of finding out the answers, and supporting a "Congressional Investigation" of the Obama Administration regarding Benghazi, could explain to me how and why this issue ISN'T political, and is in fact a determining factor in our current National Security please make your point known.

    I will go far and wide sharing that wisdom.











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    Centex .. all anyone is asking is for the Obama Administration to answer some simple questions and not stonewall.

    Answer the questions and let's move on.

    What is so difficult about that?



    One topic at a time Centex ... keep it on the subject of the thread. You can start a thread of your own asking or outlining what is the most important topic of our time. This is not the thread for that discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Centex .. all anyone is asking is for the Obama Administration to answer some simple questions and not stonewall.

    Answer the questions and let's move on.

    What is so difficult about that?

    One topic at a time Centex ... keep it on the subject of the thread. You can start a thread of your own asking or outlining what is the most important topic of our time. This is not the thread for that discussion.
    It's not clear to me what those questions are though. Can you tell me?
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Centex .. all anyone is asking is for the Obama Administration to answer some simple questions and not stonewall.

    Answer the questions and let's move on.

    What is so difficult about that?
    What's so difficult about NOT BEING able to move on???

    Jeezus!

    WTF is the problem here?

    The question gets answered and we're up to our eye balls in boredom listening to the Sunday Morning "pundits" circle jerking on whether the answer given was "answer enough."

    My question?

    Can I just skull fuck those pundits (especially the guy with the cute glasses, NOW...please)?

    One topic at a time Centex ... keep it on the subject of the thread. You can start a thread of your own asking or outlining what is the most important topic of our time. This is not the thread for that discussion.
    Well, I'm pretty dang sure you don't want me to discuss the personal comment that you've been leaving me.

    What's a girl gotta do to get a date around here?

    Wine Me, Dine Me, THEN 69 me.

    But not before.

    A girl has to eat, but she must maintain her standards as well.

    I hope you understand.
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