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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    gosh, if only....

    however, I fear that Republican Obstructionism will be with us for awhile yet. It's a nice thought though
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    It's probably about time for the Republicans to focus on other Democrats as well, while of course keeping Obamahate at the forefront. It's also because of the blue dress that Bill Clinton stained, I-tells-ya!!!
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    My sentiments exactly....


    http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/benghazi-again/

    Could it have been the person in charge of embassy security issues? More likely, and that person resigned after the subsequent investigations…and even that might have been unfair for two reasons. Security was up to the Ambassador and Chris Stevens was well known for erring on the side of greater public access to U.S. facilities. Or, more plausibly, reason number two…

    Could it have been the Republicans who consistently voted against funds for increased embassy security? Hmmm…that makes their current carping seem awfully political, doesn’t it? Again, sins of politics are not mortal. But one does wonder why the Republicans tend to fix on issues like this, which are defined by their absence of substance. (I haven’t noticed the Republicans clamoring to spend more on embassy security–which would be a matter of substance, happily embraced by the Administration.But that would require a budget deal, which would give the President a win.)



    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08...#ixzz2SlfLTv7z
    That is the key aspect of this attack, republicans seek to find a bone to chew on while covering their own shame at failing to fund the security measures.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Lol - the KEY aspect is not the political prism rather what happened

    And 3 very credible non political administration employees who were very much in the know raise serious questions

    Not political ones

    Enjoy the diflective BS

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    MJ is actually covering Benghazi this morning but totally caring water for the OA.

    They are pretty much calling Hicks a liar.

    Anyway anyone looks at this -- there needs to be answers to why security was so lax.

    Do you guys really not care? Richard Nixon would have loved to have you around in the 70's.



    JH, we've gone over this over and over again -- more democrats voted to cut spending for embassies. Let's hear some facts and not talking points.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    The blame game won't raise the dead.

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    ^^

    Uncomfortable, huh

    “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?” Clinton asked the Republican Senator. “It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.”

    What happened Hillary Clinton. You're still not talking.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    Uncomfortable, huh

    “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?” Clinton asked the Republican Senator. “It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.”

    What happened Hillary Clinton. You're still not talking.
    When John Kennedy was murdered do we blame the Secret Service for their perceived inadequacies or accept that there are no security guarantees for diplomats stationed in unstable countries and that the across aisle blame game won't resurrect the dead.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    .
    The number of times Benghazi will be "investigated":




    Number of times Obamacare will be brought to the House floor for repeal: See above.

    They're working on #34!M

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    MJJH, we've gone over this over and over again -- more democrats voted to cut spending for embassies. Let's hear some facts and not talking points.
    GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...assy-security/

    [GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
    With all the cutting that's going on, the Republicons should hire a mohel!

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    It is funny they will attempt to lay this on Obama and Hillary and yet ask neither to testify. It is a political game. Hicks was located in fucking Tripoli and is lying eight months later to gain political favor. Look for him as a republican appointee somewhere soon.

    What is amazing is the Jon Stewart claim that in Bush 52 diplomatic mission attack occurred, 13 americans died and only three hearings were held for all fifty two. WHY? because a republican was responsible for the cluster fuck (by their rules) instead of the criminal/terrorist.
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    This whole Benghazi thing is nothing more than a manufactured scandal dreamed up by the right wing. They're hoping to impeach President Obama and discredit Hillary Clinton to screw up her chance in case there's a 2016 Presidential run.

    Remember Whitewater? The right wing tried their damnedest to scandalize that and nothing came from it.

    The Presidents political enemies won't stop attempting to dig up dirt on him but they'll fall flat on their face every time. How about trying to win an election honestly, republicans?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    This whole Benghazi thing is nothing more than a manufactured scandal dreamed up by the right wing. They're hoping to impeach President Obama and discredit Hillary Clinton to screw up her chance in case there's a 2016 Presidential run.

    Remember Whitewater? The right wing tried their damnedest to scandalize that and nothing came from it.

    The Presidents political enemies won't stop attempting to dig up dirt on him but they'll fall flat on their face every time. How about trying to win an election honestly, republicans?
    I wonder if Ken Starr is available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I wonder if Ken Starr is available?
    He is, but another republican who tried to manufacture a scandal is dead, Joseph McCarthy.

    Wonder what the next republican-manufactured scandal will be?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    They'll come up with one,don't worry.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Oh hey, Chance, Jack. So, what's the difference between Benghazi and the attacks during Bush?
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    It seems to me to be a never ending cycle of he said she said.

    The dangers & realities of our world need regulated & often destroyed while unfortunately some of said efforts exist out-of-bounds of currently acceptable societal mores & ideas.

    Be that as it may, let America never again fall asleep to said dangers.

    As is said, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of.............."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh hey, Chance, Jack. So, what's the difference between Benghazi and the attacks during Bush?
    And Reagan?

    Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut
    Bombing of Marine barracks in Beirut
    Bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait
    Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut

    and other terrorist arracks during the Reagan administration no one wants to remember....

    Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221
    Hijacking of TWA Flight 847
    Hijacking of cruise ship Achille Lauro;
    Bombing of Rome, Vienna airports
    Bombing of Pan Am Flight 103

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Be...rracks_bombing

    241 dead Americans

    Jesus Christ...... Ronald Reagan turned a blind eye to all these terrorist attacks but since he's a republican Saint it's okay.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    The Reagan administration secretly sold weapons to Iran.

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    ^^

    The Obama Administration secretly approves US weapon sales from Libya to Syria.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    When John Kennedy was murdered do we blame the Secret Service for their perceived inadequacies or accept that there are no security guarantees for diplomats stationed in unstable countries and that the across aisle blame game won't resurrect the dead.
    There was an investigation after Kennedy's murder ... why not an investigation about these murders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was an investigation after Kennedy's murder ... why not an investigation about these murders?
    There was no firm conclusion onwho did it leaving the public to speculate over conspiracy theories...to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh hey, Chance, Jack. So, what's the difference between Benghazi and the attacks during Bush?
    There was an combined effort by republicans and democrats for investigations of 9/11. Why not do that now?

    Embarrassing how dem representatives ignored what happened and made political statement for the Administration during the hearing on Wednesday.

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    The worst one is why no one is holding George W Bush accountable for the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington DC where thousands of Americans died.

    Springer why aren't you condemning that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    There was no firm conclusion onwho did it leaving the public to speculate over conspiracy theories...to this day.
    WHEN WILL WE GET ANSWERS?

    BENGHAZI!

    Kennedy's mother is still waiting to know the truth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    The Obama Administration secretly approves US weapon sales from Libya to Syria.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    In the current confused environment in Syria the wrong people (Islamists) will receive arms that they will use against Assad's forces.

    Allegiances change rapidly during civil wars with the hope that when Assad is eventually ousted Islamist rebel factions will either be disarmed or will be integrated into a new Syrian Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    The Reagan administration secretly sold weapons to Iran.
    Iran-Contra affair:

    http://www.brown.edu/Research/Unders...Contra_Affair/

    Why didn't Reagan go to prison for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    WHEN WILL WE GET ANSWERS?

    BENGHAZI!

    Kennedy's mother is still waiting to know the truth!
    How long is a length of rope? How deep is a hole? My crystal ball fails me on this particular matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    WHEN WILL WE GET ANSWERS?

    BENGHAZI!

    Kennedy's mother is still waiting to know the truth!
    BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!


    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans
    4 dead Americans

    BENGHAZI! tourette syndrome.

    Let's place bets on what the next republican manufactured scandal will be and who it will target.....

    1) Hillary Clinton.....?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    The truth will set u free

    Looks like most here r not interested in the truth

    Pity

    And not very flattering

    Personally I'll take Hicks or Nordstrom testimony

    Over the CE+P resident "experts"

    Lots of facts that IMO suggest w/o much doubt at a minimum

    That the admin wanted and pushed a
    Story that wasn't true

    Because

    We know

    Not sending help is curious

    Obama where was he during this event is .....

    Unknown still

    Fund raising clearly more ...... Important

    3 insiders who knew

    Smelly mofo stuff

    While many say "bush"

    Lol
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    ^.... 19 line scold post..... impressive!

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    You can always count on Bob for personal attacks.

    Stick to the subject.

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    You can always count on Bob for personal attacks.

    Stick to the subject.
    You can always count on Springer for personal attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    The Obama Administration secretly approves US weapon sales from Libya to Syria.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was an investigation after Kennedy's murder ... why not an investigation about these murders?
    Stick to the subject.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    In the current confused environment in Syria the wrong people (Islamists) will receive arms that they will use against Assad's forces.

    Allegiances change rapidly during civil wars with the hope that when Assad is eventually ousted Islamist rebel factions will either be disarmed or will be integrated into a new Syrian Army.
    No surprise that the Free Syrian rebels are defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda-linked group.
    Last edited by Yuki Sohma; May 9th, 2013 at 10:43 AM.

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    Can the moderators please take care of this please ?

    Some clearly are not interested in the subject matter

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    The Free Syrian rebels are defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda-linked group.
    A few rebel factions have so done. Most rebel factions - there are many - are not committed to Islamist ideology continuing to receive support financial and arms from anti Assad sources such as Oman, Saudi Arabia, UAE even Israel. The UK and the USA are also providing support undisclosed for reasons of political sensitivity but I understand that the UK has advisors on the ground directing the efforts of a few rebel factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ... I understand that the UK has advisors on the ground directing the efforts of a few rebel factions.
    Good for the Brits any word out there if CIA is on-the-ground yet.
    Last edited by Yuki Sohma; May 9th, 2013 at 10:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Can the moderators please take care of this please ?

    Some clearly are not interested in the subject matter

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    Good for the Brits I wonder if CIA is on-the-ground yet.
    My dad hasn't specified which UK and USA organisations are involved. I suspect (my guess) that SAS are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    My dad hasn't specified which UK and USA organisations are involved. I suspect (my guess) that SAS are there.
    Thanks k., once again, good for the British.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    MJ is actually covering Benghazi this morning but totally caring water for the OA.

    They are pretty much calling Hicks a liar.

    Anyway anyone looks at this -- there needs to be answers to why security was so lax.

    Do you guys really not care? Richard Nixon would have loved to have you around in the 70's.
    I hear what you saying and I'm still trying to figure out the same question you ask about the 1983 attack in Beirut killing 241 Americans in the barracks. But that's okay because Reagan took charge calling it a ""despicable act" and then leaving. Oh well, I guess you are still just as concerned about the largest number of Americans military personal killed in a single attack since the Vietnam war as you are over this current scandal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Can the moderators please take care of this please ?

    Some clearly are not interested in the subject matter

    Thanks
    Bush/Cheney on Halliburton, or anything...investigate and scream to high heavens. Reagan/Contra on they too were laser like in keeping an issue alive....surprisingly I do agree with them about abuse of power. But the collective heads up the ass regarding Benghazi or anything Obama -contaminated... we wait til events are about to spin out of control, THEN and only then do we act. By waiting so long in Syria we now face a crisis no matter who wins out as the vacuum was filled in by he fervent Islamist factions. You on the left don't sugarcoat your Bush hate. Well, I have no interest in hate for it's own sake, but if your goddamn blinded eyes cannot see you've been handed a bill of goods by that living Wizard of Oz fraud Barack Obama then you get what you deserve...and I made plenty of posts when Bush was president questioning his policies, so don't even dare call me a Bush apologist or suckup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    I hear what you saying and I'm still trying to figure out the same question you ask about the 1983 attack in Beirut killing 241 Americans in the barracks. But that's okay because Reagan took charge calling it a ""despicable act" and then leaving. Oh well, I guess you are still just as concerned about the largest number of Americans military personal killed in a single attack since the Vietnam war as you are over this current scandal.
    I think Reagan was wrong. In my opinion he chickened out .. we should have stayed and fought maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if he, Congress, and the American people had had the guts to wipe out Al Qaeda at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I think Reagan was wrong. In my opinion he chickened out .. we should have stayed and fought maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if he, Congress, and the American people had had the guts to wipe out Al Qaeda at that time.
    But did the American people learn the truth about that attack? Were the right questions asked? Did the soldiers' mothers learn how their sons had died?

    OR ARE THEY STILL WAITING?!

    BENGHAZI!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    But did the American people learn the truth about that attack? Were the right questions asked? Did the soldiers' mothers learn how their sons had died?

    OR ARE THEY STILL WAITING?!

    BENGHAZI!!!
    The American people will wait until Hell freezes over.

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    The right wingers have turned this into a circus. They don't care about the "4 dead Americans" any more than they can name them. They're exploiting this attack, turing it into a scandal in an attempt to trap their political enemies.

    If anyone has pissed on the "4 dead Americans", it's the right wing republicans who are exploiting their deaths for political gain.

    Springer is exploiting this too. Getting his jollies over this thread.

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Actually the testimony is from 3 respected members of the Obama admin

    Not republicans
    Not right wingers

    Auto pilot much ?

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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Sad that some can't or won't read

    The truth is too disturbing

    I don't think this is impeachable

    Or will negatively impact Hillary's run

    That's not the point

    It's a shame more people don't want to know

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    So, chance, how about Bush jr and his conspiracy to hide the embassy attacks during his reign? Oh, and WHEN WILL WE KNOW THE TRUTH OF 9/11?!!?!!

    BENGHAZI!!!
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

    Pretty sure that we knew about the Japanese invasion plans

    That's a theory anyway

    What 70 years ago

    Or maybe some 1776 stuff too

    Something in the tea ?

    Kindergarten esque

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