Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

[Jack Springer]

It comes as no surprise that Clinton is not going to testify about Benghazi. I'm sorry she's sick and now has fallen and has a concussion. Hopefully, that will not keep her from attending her many farewell parties in DC and at the State Department.

Only an US Ambassador and 3 State Department employees were killed -- no big deal.

We can only hope that Bill is holding her head and hand as she worships the porcelain god.

Like the one commenter on the FB page said .... "no coverup here."

Looks like Obama has all his bases covered.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...due_to_illness

[xbuzzerx]

Stop with the dead horse Jack. Even your party has moved on.

[HenryReardon]

Stop with the dead horse Jack. Even your party has moved on.

How many of the attacks cited above were followed by massive coverups? How many?

[Rolyo85]

How many of the attacks cited above were followed by massive coverups? How many?

All of them?

[Rolyo85]

Wait, so it's only outrageous bevcause of the cover up?!

[chance1]

it is the flu season - and the benghazi flu in particular is quite debilitating

no worries though - susan rice appears to have taken the brunt of it

hillary will come through this with flying colors

the good news is she won't have to run against obama in 2016

as he would get 85% of the black vote to her 15% which of course is not a racial thingy

wait ...... is this thread about gay marriage?

LOL

[Rolyo85]

Oh my god, you're so smart and your sarcasm is so on point!

What's wrong with a racial vote when you're already voting within your own party? Ah yes, nothing.

[chance1]

Oh my god, you're so smart and your sarcasm is so on point!

What's wrong with a racial vote when you're already voting within your own party? Ah yes, nothing.

so the racial vote only matters if it's a repub vs. a dem?

maybe on your planet

a vote based on race is not good

whether it's white/white or black/black

yep

[HenryReardon]

All of them?

Got proof?

[Just_Believe18]

I read this article earlier in the morning and the funny thing was, I thought to myself, "I bet Jack Springer is going to make a thread out of this." You didn't disappoint!

I see what you did here. The woman genuinely has been sick and suffered a concussion and you're subtly harping on the woman as using illness as a a cover up to not testifying at this time. You're not sorry she's sick. You're using this story as a feeder into your conspiracy theory.

[Jack Springer]

Got proof?

There is no proof -- they just keep putting up that media matters banner.

Obama's ladies -- Rice and Clinton won't testify. If they did they'd have to lie to protect their man.

[Jack Springer]

I read this article earlier in the morning and the funny thing was, I thought to myself, "I bet Jack Springer is going to make a thread out of this." You didn't disappoint!

I see what you did here. The woman genuinely has been sick and suffered a concussion and you're subtly harping on the woman as using illness as a a cover up to not testifying at this time. You're not sorry she's sick. You're using this story as a feeder into your conspiracy theory.

Glad you know me so well and that's I'm a big part of your regular life.

I'm sure Congress could schedule another time for her to testify. Did you think I'd say that too?

[Rolyo85]

Got proof?

Do you? Of... anything? Ever?

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so the racial vote only matters if it's a repub vs. a dem?

maybe on your planet

a vote based on race is not good

whether it's white/white or black/black

yep

Absolutely it only matters if it's Republican VS Democrat, because then you compromise your ideals for race or - as in the case of so many here and in the US in general - hatred of others. But when you're already voting for the party you would have anyway? There is no compromise in ideals then. People voting for the member of their own party who they believe will best serve their interests is not a thing to be angry at. I imagine a higher percentage of women voted for Hilary. Is a gender vote also bad?

[chance1]

Glad you know me so well and that's I'm a big part of your regular life.

I'm sure Congress could schedule another time for her to testify. Did you think I'd say that too?

you're HUGE Jack - you're national !!!!

why isn't going to be rescheduled ?

[chance1]

Do you? Of... anything?

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Absolutely it only matters if it's Republican VS Democrat, because then you compromise your ideals for race or - as in the case of so many here and in the US in general - hatred of others. But when you're already voting for the party you would have anyway? There is no compromise in ideals then. People voting for the member of their own party who they believe will best serve their interests is not a thing to be angry at. I imagine a higher percentage of women voted for Hilary. Is a gender vote also bad?

i'm not angry - i just hear a lot - too much - about racial hatred against pres. obama - here in ce+p lots of finger pointing

about hatred
about racism

and was wondering if hillary clinton, wife of a president who was very popular with blacks ...... would get a fair shake

and she didn't

85-15

i recall that 85-15 from somewhere else - not sure where - hehe

that 85-15 ratio obama-hillary is pretty fucking sad

and clearly racial

reasonable minds would agree

yeah - a gender vote is bad

[Rolyo85]

i'm not angry - i just hear a lot - too much - about racial hatred against pres. obama - here in ce+p lots of finger pointing

about hatred
about racism

and was wondering if hillary clinton, wife of a president who was very popular with blacks ...... would get a fair shake

and she didn't

85-15

i recall that 85-15 from somewhere else - not sure where - hehe

that 85-15 ratio obama-hillary is pretty fucking sad

and clearly racial

reasonable minds would agree

yeah - a gender vote is bad

I did not disagree. It IS racial. I am saying that isn't a problem. Obama has been great on gay issues, but I'd still vote for a good promising gay candidate over him any day. Why shouldn't I?

And do you believe accusations of racism here to be completely unfounded?

[HenryReardon]

Do you? Of... anything? Ever?

Given that you're doing the side-step, you've answered my question. No, you have no proof. Thought so.

PS I provide links regularly .

[HenryReardon]

And do you believe accusations of racism here to be completely unfounded?

Accusations of racism in these forums are very nearly always unfounded.
It's a word people toss out to try and end a conversation. Typical liberal tactic.
The word racism is so overused these days that it has become totally meaningless.

[JayHawk]

It is truly depraved the lengths to which one side of our political landscape have to reach simply to attempt and make something stick. Republicans bring mudslinging to an all new level.

So is Hillary going to die from the concussion / Flu? Did investigating the lies that led to the death of thousands of Americans, an unnecessary war and cost trillions of dollars which was also given full faith and credit by another Rice investigated moments after or did it take four years to finally finish the investigation into Iraq, WMD and the complicity of the Bush Administration in lying to the American congress. (Who coincidently did not get upset because it was a republican lying to them)

What exactly is to stop Hillary from testifying in January? What about February?

Molehill you shall forever more be known as Mountain.

[Rolyo85]

Accusations of racism in these forums are very nearly always unfounded.
It's a word people toss out to try and end a conversation. Typical liberal tactic.
The word racism is so overused these days that it has become totally meaningless.

Yeah, totes meaningless. Them blacks are just rotten, it's not racist if it's true, right?

And you're one to talk about "sidestepping", Mr. "I'm gonna judge this doesn't deserve an answer every time I don't have one".

[chance1]

I did not disagree. It IS racial. I am saying that isn't a problem. Obama has been great on gay issues, but I'd still vote for a good promising gay candidate over him any day. Why shouldn't I?

And do you believe accusations of racism here to be completely unfounded?

well i disagree

i get why blacks vote for obama much more so than romney - i think 95-5 is absurdly high though

and it's racist

i think 85-15 against hillary is even worse given her husband and record

it's tragic

the other thing is during many of those primaries it was assumed that hillary had the best chance to win so many blacks were actually voting against their best interest at the time

i'm not surprised you'd vote for a gay person first - i think that's very short sighted

unless you analyzed the person on the most important issues and deemed him/her as good/better

i think racism is something you accuse someone of when you're sure

and yes i think it is mostly unfounded

jack for example does not deserve to be called so

boston pirate once called me racist for no reason

it's one thing to disagree with someone on an issue its another to accuse them of being something heinous

[Rolyo85]

1. the other thing is during many of those primaries it was assumed that hillary had the best chance to win so many blacks were actually voting against their best interest at the time

2. i'm not surprised you'd vote for a gay person first - i think that's very short sighted

unless you analyzed the person on the most important issues and deemed him/her as good/better

3. i think racism is something you accuse someone of when you're sure

and yes i think it is mostly unfounded

jack for example does not deserve to be called so

boston pirate once called me racist for no reason

it's one thing to disagree with someone on an issue its another to accuse them of being something heinous

1. This argument is invalid. It's like saying people voting Santorum on the primaries voted against their interests because Romney had the best chance. If people only ever voted for the person with the best chance, there would be no point in primaries.

2. I DID say "good promising" before "gay", didn't I? The thing is, if they seem relatively equal in most important areas, the gay factor would make me expect he would have both a better understanding of my problems, AND more honest desire to work for me. So I do not find this short sighted at all.

3. I believe racism is a GIANT part of American culture. So giant, in fact, that - like internalized homophobia in the gay community - very many people simply aren't aware of it. I do not believe jack to be consciously racist. I think he just isn't aware of the racist undertones of some of his beliefs. And since he repeats Republican talking points so often, and so many Republican politicians ARE (consciously, if not openly) racist, he often stumbles into racist territory without really meaning to. I would give similar benefit of the doubt to all of you. But subconscious racism is still racism. And OPEN racism is no longer possible anyway, so the one under the surface is the only one we could ever really talk about.

[Jack Springer]

you're HUGE Jack - you're national !!!!

why isn't going to be rescheduled ?

She's sending in sub's.

Remember when Obama said his administration would be the most transparent of any administration. Richard Nixon would be proud.

[Jack Springer]

1. This argument is invalid. It's like saying people voting Santorum on the primaries voted against their interests because Romney had the best chance. If people only ever voted for the person with the best chance, there would be no point in primaries.

2. I DID say "good promising" before "gay", didn't I? The thing is, if they seem relatively equal in most important areas, the gay factor would make me expect he would have both a better understanding of my problems, AND more honest desire to work for me. So I do not find this short sighted at all.

3. I believe racism is a GIANT part of American culture. So giant, in fact, that - like internalized homophobia in the gay community - very many people simply aren't aware of it. I do not believe jack to be consciously racist. I think he just isn't aware of the racist undertones of some of his beliefs. And since he repeats Republican talking points so often, and so many Republican politicians ARE (consciously, if not openly) racist, he often stumbles into racist territory without really meaning to. I would give similar benefit of the doubt to all of you. But subconscious racism is still racism. And OPEN racism is no longer possible anyway, so the one under the surface is the only one we could ever really talk about.

I think you need to get out more. You don't know America.

Walk beyond your intellectual bubble and experience everyday people. America is so much more than the closed culture I think you exist in.

Stop reading media matter, daily kos and the pundits on msnbc -- they all have agendas -- ones that make them money.

Go talk to some regular people.

Get to know America -- not the image liberal bloggers and pundits promote.

[chance1]

1. This argument is invalid. It's like saying people voting Santorum on the primaries voted against their interests because Romney had the best chance. If people only ever voted for the person with the best chance, there would be no point in primaries.

2. I DID say "good promising" before "gay", didn't I? The thing is, if they seem relatively equal in most important areas, the gay factor would make me expect he would have both a better understanding of my problems, AND more honest desire to work for me. So I do not find this short sighted at all.

3. I believe racism is a GIANT part of American culture. So giant, in fact, that - like internalized homophobia in the gay community - very many people simply aren't aware of it. I do not believe jack to be consciously racist. I think he just isn't aware of the racist undertones of some of his beliefs. And since he repeats Republican talking points so often, and so many Republican politicians ARE (consciously, if not openly) racist, he often stumbles into racist territory without really meaning to. I would give similar benefit of the doubt to all of you. But subconscious racism is still racism. And OPEN racism is no longer possible anyway, so the one under the surface is the only one we could ever really talk about.

1. the point of a primary is to find the person who best suits your position ....... that can win
that's my opinion
your point that my point is "invalid" is a testament to your overall posting style
which is "me right you wrong"

2. u said "promising" - that's very vague - based on your posting history i'd say gay rights would be your one/only barometer

3. racism exists - and pointing out real in your face racism for all to see is critical
your ability to see "beneath the surface" racism is in our mind
and calling someone a racist when it's based on something less than clarity is just not right as it is an enormous charge
and it reduces the real racism by diluting it

jack is no racist

period

[JayHawk]

Clinton won't testify = racism... I wonder how this thread got so terribly off topic as to make the original post pointless?

I wonder which person made this the racist vote for Obama thread?

hmmmmm if only there was a way to scroll up and figure out why this is so distracted and off track......


Benghazi is a matter of record in many instances and a monkey could read the record. I am positive that if there is some aspect that can only be testified by Hillary CLinton her very self then the people on the investigative panel in congress will have the mental capability of waiting for her to recover... maybe not though... it is the US congress to which I ascribe mental acuity.

[Jack Springer]

The charge of racism gets thrown around here so often it makes me sick.

It's time to stop.

[JayHawk]

I know I think you might do well to ask your friend Chance to stop inserting it into every thread. You two are friends and he may listen to you...

[chance1]

The charge of racism gets thrown around here so often it makes me sick.

It's time to stop.

jack - no worries

hillary will get better in time for the 2016 election

and w/o a primary opponent like obama, she'll get a great percentage of the black vote - unlike in 2008 when she got a paltry 15% - with that number you'd think she was john mccain or mitt romney - or maybe blacks don't like women - not sure
but 15% is certainly curious

watching pacquio vs. marquez on hbo - wild fight - wish i didn't know who won

anyway .........

hillary has gotten off scott free - from the press and congress - on the benghazi thing

hope she gets better so we can hear first hand what the fuck happened and why

and rolyo has called u a racist and i won't have it

[JayHawk]

Ahh look more allegations of race involved in elections... does it ever stop...

How about the topic? Is it relevant?

[Jack Springer]

Back to the subject .... Why won't the Obama Administration tell the American people what happened at Benghazi?

Where is the promised report?

[chance1]

Back to the subject .... Why won't the Obama Administration tell the American people what happened at Benghazi?

Where is the promised report?

OMG you should see the shot pacquiao got hit with for the knockout - holy shit

as for obama/benghazi

don't figure on the media covering this

obama's stall ball worked

we have fiscal cliff
the newtown tragedy
taxes on the wealthy

there's only so much coverage time

w/o the public clamor, it is just not relevant

and obama skates

[JayHawk]

The report will come out just as it did for the lies that started the Iraq war. What do you wanna bet the same number of people will be held accountable?

[Rolyo85]

Back to the subject .... Why won't the Obama Administration tell the American people what happened at Benghazi?

Where is the promised report?

WHAT ARE THEY NOT TELLING US?! WHEN WILL WE REALLY KNOW THE TRUTH?!?!?!!!

Learn new songs, Jack. Nobody is listening to this one anymore.

[HenryReardon]

the lies that started the Iraq war.

That's the biggest lie of all.

[Rolyo85]

the lies that started the Iraq war.

That's the biggest lie of all.

There were no lies that started the Iraq war?

[Sausy]

There is so much intellectually honest liberals should find disconcerting at least about Obama but most of them don't reside here

A fucking CONCUSSION for God's sakes? God how Richard Nixon woud have been proud of the duplicity of his Administration.

[Rolyo85]

Yeah, I'm sure she was personally afraid of you, panicked and told the first lie that came up to her...

[JayHawk]

There were no lies that started the Iraq war?

No.. Henry was agreeing with me that the Iraq War was misguided and built on one of the greatest deceptions ever told to the american people.

[MisterMajestic]

It comes as no surprise that Clinton is not going to testify about Benghazi. I'm sorry she's sick and now has fallen and has a concussion. Hopefully, that will not keep her from attending her many farewell parties in DC and at the State Department.

Only an US Ambassador and 3 State Department employees were killed -- no big deal.

We can only hope that Bill is holding her head and hand as she worships the porcelain god.

Like the one commenter on the FB page said .... "no coverup here."

Looks like Obama has all his bases covered.

John McCain and Billary are as Thick as thieves..I'm sure after Obama told Billary he'd go with HER choice for replacement she called up Old Man McCain and told him he won the Rice-square-off...John then told her his work is done....Hillary ain't thinking about going to the Mountain Top sitting before those trolls...She's going to enjoy her Christmas and figure who is gonna design her Going away Party Gown.....Next....

3. racism exists - and pointing out real in your face racism for all to see is critical
your ability to see "beneath the surface" racism is in our mind
and calling someone a racist when it's based on something less than clarity is just not right as it is an enormous charge
and it reduces the real racism by diluting it

jack is no racist

period

Chance stop carrying on and being a Hypocrite. You are just as guilty of bringing up race in postings as the rest of us are in this forum..Some of us are a bit more racially-charged than others but that is for the Moderators to keep an eye on.....

I think you need to get out more. You don't know America.

Walk beyond your intellectual bubble and experience everyday people. America is so much more than the closed culture I think you exist in.

Stop reading media matter, daily kos and the pundits on msnbc -- they all have agendas -- ones that make them money.

Go talk to some regular people.

Get to know America -- not the image liberal bloggers and pundits promote.

Amen...

[xbuzzerx]

How many of the attacks cited above were followed by massive coverups? How many?

You're missing the more fundamental question which is even if we agree there's a 'coverup' why were none necessary in the multiple more severe embassy attacks throughout Bush's two terms?

Maybe because no one cared, certainly none of the people now raising a huge fuss over Benghazi here in CE&P, because it wasn't something they could use in a partisan manner?

This is a dead faux controversy the right unsuccessfully tried to use as a trump card in the 11th hour of the Presidential campaign and it blew up and failed, and the party has moved on. If any of you legitimately care about embassy security take it up with your party who has blocked attempts by Democrats to increase the funding of embassy security in the budget. This outrage is hypocritical beyond belief.

[rareboy]

I read this article earlier in the morning and the funny thing was, I thought to myself, "I bet Jack Springer is going to make a thread out of this." You didn't disappoint!

I see what you did here. The woman genuinely has been sick and suffered a concussion and you're subtly harping on the woman as using illness as a a cover up to not testifying at this time. You're not sorry she's sick. You're using this story as a feeder into your conspiracy theory.

Ah yes...

Some always spouting about compassion.

But this is obviously a cover-up of the highest order.

We must see the Doctor's certificate and x-rays proving that she actually has a concussion.

And then we have one poster derailing the thread with another tirade about racial voting patterns and how it will affect Hilary.

Pitiful threads are pitiful.

[HenryReardon]

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Pitiful threads are pitiful.

And you continue to participate in them!

[HenryReardon]

You're missing the more fundamental question which is even if we agree there's a 'coverup' why were none necessary in the multiple more severe embassy attacks throughout Bush's two terms?

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Perhaps it is because the Bush administration was 100% more honest than the current adminstration. Obama's administration will go down in history as the most totally opaque ever--this despite his promises of "transparency."

[rareboy]

And you continue to participate in them!

Just dropping in to state the obvious, Jack.

[eastofeden]

Clinton has Benghazi Flu -- Won't Testify To Congress

^^^Title of Thread^^^

My response:

Get Well Soon Mrs Clinton.

[Lestatnj]

Ah, yes. When I saw the headlines, I thought "wingnut conspiracy theories in 5, 4, 3" Glad to know my crystal ball was on target.

[chance1]

And you continue to participate in them!

participate but more so "create" them

hypocrisy of the highest order

[chance1]

Ah yes...

Some always spouting about compassion.

But this is obviously a cover-up of the highest order.

We must see the Doctor's certificate and x-rays proving that she actually has a concussion.

And then we have one poster derailing the thread with another tirade about racial voting patterns and how it will affect Hilary.

Pitiful threads are pitiful.

as you're one who creates many, you would know

as for Hillary

not very leader-like for her to be so uncommunicative on an issue that is on her watch

not her finest hour

i met her during the 2008 campaign as she spoke at my workplace - liked her a great deal and still do - horrible dresser though she was wearing a blue burlap bag - a blue i've never seen

but she's hidden on this

following her president's lead perhaps

[xbuzzerx]

Perhaps it is because the Bush administration was 100% more honest than the current adminstration.

Really?