Does this make the victims of Newtown any less dead?
Does this make the victims of Newtown any less dead?
If it is found out that the shooter was high on pot or any other drug. Do we ban all "recreational drugs" forever?
That said with the number of weapons in America if we were to install a rigid policy or altogether ban personal firearms then no doubt someone would acquire a weapon and shoot a bunch of people. So then without evidence to the contrary many folks will jump on the it has failed bandwagon.
How do you defend the fact that the US has ten thousand gun deaths? Compared to regulated nations. Or hell even compared to Israel or Switzerland where gun ownership is compulsory. the difference in both of those societies is the existence of state paid for health care and adequate mental health services.
So republicans have to come off of something. Their financial policies killed our wealth and now their social policies are killing us outright.
I'm guessing that violent video games, TV shows, movies, and the overall breakdown of the moral structure of the family and society have much more to do with the mass murders than anything else.
studies of the shooters video games and violent content play little to no role.
A little too convenient of an article to exempt a potential cause. In the end it's the person not the tool that decides what happens.
The military uses video games to hone the skills of soldiers.
It's funny that a lot of NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters are arguing that keeping guns in the hands of civilians would prevent or stop these events, but how many of these mass shootings were actually prevented or stopped by armed civilians?
Now that I think about it, this latest tragedy could have been avoided if civilians weren't armed.
His mother owned those guns, giving him easy access to weapons.
If she hadn't insisted on having a personal arsenal, it would have been a lot harder for him to obtain that many guns without raising red flags.
If it wasn't for this crazy gun culture in America, this kind of stuff wouldn't happen.
Purchasing a gun for "personal protection" makes it 3x more likely that someone in your home will die of a homicide. Three times! As Mrs. Lanza discovered.
The second case has not been given solid confirmation as of yet.
Spree killings have usually ended in 3 ways:
1. The shooter gives up and turns himself over to the Police/SWAT
2. The shooter turns the gun on himself
3. The shooter gets taken down by a police sniper.
I've yet to see a mass shooter get taken down by an armed civilian.
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Abortion is a horrible "solution" to a social problem we cannot figure out any better way to deal with. But, how many millions of lives have ironically been saved because of abortion?
Jack let me talk slowly... as has been presented on these forums time and time again in threads to which you were a part of... abortion has reduced the number of youth rasied in shitty conditions for lack of resources by the underage and often unprepared mother. That reduction in 'layabouts' are no longer having to create a life of crime after a shitty childhood because they never were born.
A guy right here in JUB has posted about the horrendous hurdles to finding any kind of mental health care, and it just shouldn't be that way. I don't know about the system there, but my hunch is that mental health care is more available even in places like Haiti and Yemen, to most of the population, than in the United States.
I'm hearing SOME people talk about a good mental health system for the first time in more than a generation. Unfortunately, I don't expect to hear people talking about it three weeks from now (or later) - it will be completely forgotten again. As advanced as the United States supposedly is, the mental health care system is primitive and only available to the incredibly, extremely privileged.
"All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!
VOTING: Just remember: "Be careful of what you DON'T wish for. You might just get it." GET OUT AND VOTE for what you DO wish for.
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony
Well to be fair probably as many as conservatives, only, the liberals aren't as ashamed if it.
What is the bullshit with liberals killing babies?
You don't think that there aren't a whole lot of nice Republican women out there who haven't had abortions too?
Well news flash there Jacko, there are.
And come on people.
We've had fucking prairie dogs used as the reason for assault weapons in this thread and now we've invoked Springer's Law where every big topic thread has to somehow get derailed with a sterile and stupid discussion over abortion?????
Time for the thread to be closed.
Over Quentin Tarantino's objections
If abortion along with demeaning and violent video games, TV shows, music, movies that desensitize people to murder, torture, blood, and respect for human life were made illegal I would expect we would have less violence.
Let's talk further about mental illness as the reason for the murders. Connecticut has very strict gun laws -- why didn't they stop the violence.
My guess is that after getting a ban on assault weapons and that not working -- the liberals will want more, and more, and more.
this is a depressing Tuesday morning read...
What Lanza shows us is the limits of the obvious policy responses. He had all the mental health resources he needed--and he did it anyway. The law stopped him from buying a gun--and he did it anyway. The school had an intercom system aimed at stopping unauthorized entry--and he did it anyway. Any practical, easy-to-implement solution to school shootings that you could propose, along with several that were not at all easy to implement, was already in place. Somehow, Lanza blew through them all.These "reasonable controls" would not, in fact, have done much to stop the horror at Newtown; Lanza's problem was not that he didn't know the four rules of gun safety, or that his aim was bad. And Lanza didn't buy the guns, so a background check would not have stopped him... Reducing the body counts a bit is obviously a very worthy project; I am okay with outlawing magazines that contain more than ten bullets. But this will in no way prevent people from going on murderous rampages. We are not talking about an end to spree killing, only about a (perhaps) very slight reduction in its deadliness.http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-massacre.htmlYou can't ban them because the Supreme Court has now ruled, twice, that you can't. You also can't ban them because there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation in the United States--no one knows exactly how many, but we are either approaching, or well past, one gun per adult citizens. Other countries that banned guns started with a less absolutist attitude towards civil liberties, and also, a lot fewer guns.
We don't know where any of those guns are. So how would we get them? House to house searches? I keep getting these mailers from the ACLU saying that whatever administration is currently in power is "gutting" the fourth amendment, but the old girl still has a little life in her--enough to preclude any such measures. At best, you would take guns away from the people least likely to use them: the folks law abiding enough to trundle down to the police station and dutifully surrender their weapons.
And that's assuming that you can get to the point of banning guns. You can't. Somewhere between 40-60% of American adults own a gun; they will not vote for your gun ban. Others who do not own guns are nonetheless opposed to banning them.
cliffs: there really is no solution, and no way to prevent tragedies like this. the best we can do is pass laws to make ourselves feel better and maybe reduce the future body counts.
Back in the 19th century, there were no violent TV programs, video games, music, movies or readily available abortions.
19th century America was a violent society....including the outrages practised on slaves and children.
So don't shovel me that shit.
There is no 'moral' collapse of society.
The next thing is that you will be calling for homosexuality to be criminalized...God knows that is what most of your fellow travellers believe to be one of the main reasons for the downfall of moralism in America.