Michigan becomes 24th right-to-work state

[chance1]

pretty sure no one is talking about michigan

or the "right to work" concept

and haven't for some time

[palemale]

Continue to live in lotus-land if you like, but some of us know better than to succumb.

It's long past the time that we expect conservative Republicans to succumb to the truth. Was there anything I posted about the Bush administration's role in our economic meltdown that you think is inaccurate?

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pretty sure no one is talking about michigan

or the "right to work" concept

and haven't for some time

What more is there to say? It's just one more example of the Republican Party doing the bidding of their corporate masters.

[HenryReardon]

It's long past the time that we expect conservative Republicans to succumb to the truth. Was there anything I posted about the Bush administration's role in our economic meltdown that you think is inaccurate?

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Not anything worth mentioning. But I don't expect accuracy from bedwetting liberals.

[palemale]

Not anything worth mentioning. But I don't expect accuracy from bedwetting liberals.

So you found no inaccuracies worth mentioning? I guess that means you agree with my conclusions. Good to know.

[cocksucker4use]

ADD is the thingy

Right to work ...... In Michigan

Half the states in the country

Now Michigan

It's a trend

Much like gay marriage support

"Bush wrecked the economy"

Bush attacked the Benghazi consulate

Bush killed Kennedy

Bush drove his car off the Chappaquidick bridge and left a girl to die

Bush told Rosa parks to get her ass up on THE BUS

Gonna start a new thread

"What bush did"

TGIF

Dubya cut taxes to help the economy, and cost the treasury about a $trillion so far. He started a $3 trillion dollar war. Tax cuts are the Republican mantra for stimulating the economy and the government infusing warbucks into the econcomy should give it a boost. How do you fuck that up? George?

[HenryReardon]

Dubya cut taxes to help the economy, and cost the treasury about a $trillion so far. ?

Got some absolute proof of that? AFter the Bush tax cuts, treasury revenue increased by a considerable amount, just as it did after previous tax cuts.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...yth.htm?p=full

[frankfrank]

Anybody? Does this law allow an Emergency Financial Manager to be appointed to a Michigan entity which is not at all in trouble such as the University of Michigan, and that Financial Manager could, in turn, sell all the assets of the UofM to the Koch Brothers? Could the entire city of Flint be turned over to be managed by a Chinese company? This shit scares me.

[thewiz]

1. Revenues decreased after George Bush's tax cuts. Expenses also soared due to changes in health care prescription drug coverage (which prohibited negotiating rates paid), two wars, and huge increases in Homeland Security following 9-11. At the same time state revenues collapsed due to economic conditions and local revenues plummeted because of the collapse of the housing market (and property taxes along with sales).

2. The Emergency Manager Law was voted down by the voters. However, the legislature and governor have just passed a new law that in some ways mirrors the old except it retains some function of elected local government. In the meantime, the old financial manager law is being used to operate a number of cities; Detroit in line to likely have a financial manager soon.

3. Under the existing, proposed, and voted down law, certain economic conditions had to be present in order to have a financial manager. In addition, meetings and appointments must be open to the public, the state having lost that battle in court as it tried to keep deliberations secret. I think something between the old (now used) law and the one voted down by the voters is necessary. Cities that declare bankruptcy usually pay far more in attorney fees than for programs that benefit local communities. It is also possible that a judge could order assets sold to satisfy debts. How much is totally open to the judge. Also, most municipal bankruptcies have been caused by stupid or ill-advised specific project decisions such as building incinerators or huge sewer projects. However, there are a number of cities now filing that are trying to limit or eliminate legacy costs such as health care for retirees or pension obligations that have become too large to pay without gutting other services. Sacramento, Stockton, and at least two other cities are in or looking to enter bankruptcy to free the corporation (city) from past obligations that are draining the tax resources today.

[ruivinho]

^ Yeah because we all know that if someone caught this nonsense on video, then it means the unions should be crushed.

I for one, have never been able to understand the idea that firemen or police or teachers or any other public service non blue collar workers were ever allowed to collectively bargain. I agree, each one should have to individually negotiate their own salary and benefits. It is ridiculous that women workers should have to be paid equally as men as a general rule. Get rid of unions and let women get paid whatever they are willing to work for too.

When my mother was a nurse, there was no union and she didn't get any benefits or protection for working night after night and extra shifts. Or even a pension plan. Served her right for getting the sack for trying to get better pay and benefits for all the nurses in her hospital instead of just herself.

That is all very pretty in the perfect market land.
However women with the same skills/ability ARE negatively discriminated
(via having children, for instance - which is essentially for the survival of our society)

I am not saying i agree with compulsory unions though,
but Meritocracy is a beautiful philosophy, but one that is also out of touch with the reality.

[HenryReardon]

1. Revenues decreased after George Bush's tax cuts.

Dead wrong. Revenues have increased after every tax cut from Kennedy to Bush:

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...yth.htm?p=full

[thewiz]

Total revenues increased -- largely because of increases in rates in FICA and the numbers of population contributing. The other issue was that this trend has long continued -- until the Bush depression.

http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html