the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

[refujiunderground]

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...ge-issue?lite=

hope you guys are ready.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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then

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[GamerBear]

The bears are ready!


BRING IT!

[CupidBoy]

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then

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[refujiunderground]

wen any land planet awsum apes a eons no how do obvious with out play Law game

then

thankyou

this was nice

for real, i hear you that. do you think they'll be a huge backlash against the decision like how the desegregation of schools was or interracial marriage after the supreme court decisions towards those respective cases.

[pat grimshaw]

When we get gay marriage, we'll also get gay divorce and gay adultery. Just saying.

[refujiunderground]

When we get gay marriage, we'll also get gay divorce and gay adultery. Just saying.

about time. like chris rock said in one of his standups. like straight married couples, we deserve the right to be miserable too.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

for real, i hear you that. do you think they'll be a huge backlash against the decision like how the desegregation of schools was or interracial marriage after the supreme court decisions towards those respective cases.

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[csb999]

It has just ocurred to me how drastically conservative gay marriage is .

[csb999]

this post will melt in 5 mins

[refujiunderground]

the idea of marriage in general is conservative.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

the idea of marriage in general is conservative.

maarriage aint nothin a conservatives or right knee a cap

it folk wanna stuck each othda up it a long term 5mins or end a world in 2quillion - few years

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[refujiunderground]

maarriage aint nothin a conservatives or right knee a cap

it folk wanna stuck each othda up it a long term 5mins or end a world in 2quillion - few years

marriage aint not wot da play about anywaay but marray in da play
no think cultures disscova human gene yet ha harrrrrrrrrrrr
anyway sure sum folk make a da money etc out da results as useualls

ooh noooooooooooooo is thinkin
okay back ma right left oe wot right one OW
* ya gonna eat dat? *
nah you cans eat it
* aawwwwwwwwwww kissy kissy *
yuck - can ma foot back?
* ooh *
thankkyou

i agree with what you're saying. it takes a lot of balls to do it though.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

i agree with what you're saying. it takes a lot of balls to do it though.

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but no wanna cause world civlis strains wot do now? get real job? first time eva! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Cleopatra make a titta
- OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH -

thankyou

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[refujiunderground]

nothin ta agree a with
but no wanna cause world civlis strains wot do now? get real job? first time eva! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Cleopatra make a titta
- OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH -

thankyou

# only 2 #
wot wear this?
# neva catch on #
ya no see future do ya
# ooh noooooooooooooooooo #
wot?
# was thinkin #
dat bad is dat here ice bucket
# awwwwwwwwww #

sounds like you're talking about my unemployed ass.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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* where ya wanna ya bits? *
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[pat grimshaw]

the idea of marriage in general is conservative.

Yes it's traditional values. It's GOPP values.

[legend145]

Won't happen. Scalia Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito that's all you need to strike it down. They might let states decide but I'm sure it won't become federal law.

[refujiunderground]

Won't happen. Scalia Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito that's all you need to strike it down. They might let states decide but I'm sure it won't become federal law.

don't underestimate the supreme court.

[legend145]

I'm not. I'm actually surprised they took the cases. They have been dodging the issue for 2 decades. Just 9 years ago they struck down Texas anti sodomy law. Gays are not considered a suspect class or even intermediate suspect class. The court just rules on a rational basis. Also you have to look at congress. Even if they say gay marriage is constitutional congress can still pass legislation to block marriage. As a matter a fact the Defense of Marriage Act was signed in response to Hawaii and other states recognizing gay marriage.

[refujiunderground]

I'm not. I'm actually surprised they took the cases. They have been dodging the issue for 2 decades. Just 9 years ago they struck down Texas anti sodomy law. Gays are not considered a suspect class or even intermediate suspect class. The court just rules on a rational basis. Also you have to look at congress. Even if they say gay marriage is constitutional congress can still pass legislation to block marriage. As a matter a fact the Defense of Marriage Act was signed in response to Hawaii and other states recognizing gay marriage.

i doubt that congress would be able to do that if the supreme court strikes down the defense of marriage act. even if they attempted to do so, the law would be useless.

[legend145]

The law wouldn't be useless if it's in the Constitution. The court is bound by the Constitution. I don't think congress will do it because it's too divided anyway.

[refujiunderground]

The law wouldn't be useless if it's in the Constitution. The court is bound by the Constitution. I don't think congress will do it because it's too divided anyway.

if they ruled a law unconstitutional such as doma because it violated the constitution, it would be very difficult for congress to make something similar to it.

however, i'm willing to bet that lawrence v. texas is going to pave the way for the supreme court to strike down doma with the whole equal protection issue. i made a bet with razoredge and jockboy that the supreme court was going to strike down doma in 2013. i'm confident in saying that the court WILL do it. either the court is going to do it or obama is going to do it. either way, it's going to happen.

[sixthson]

When we get gay marriage, we'll also get gay divorce and gay adultery. Just saying.

No, what we would get is marriage. Just marriage. Not gay marriage. Not straight marriage. Marriage.
That's what equality is about.

And for many of us that would come with a lifetime committment and fidelity, not divorce and adultery.

[eastofeden]

I support gay marriage in the interest of equality and it is a major issue for me BUT as an individual I have no desire to embrace such an oppressive institution.

[JayHawk]

Not a countdown at all. The Justices indicated both cases should be argued on standing. The first one on Prop 8 because the state installed the law but a group other than the state appealed the courts when they struck down the law based on the constitution.

The second because the DOMA law is a federal law and the federal government isn't fighting it ... Obama told the justice department who represents the Federal government not to defend it so Republicans hired lawyers to defend the law.....


The court will likely decide neither party had standing to appeal and therefore the lower court ruling stands... so in other words DOMA will be struck down in District 2 and Gay marriage will resume in California but no other net national effect.

[legend145]

but Lawerence v Texas was a privacy issue about sex. The liberal judges Stevens, Souter, and Oconner who were a part of the Lawerence majority are gone they were replaced by Kagan, Sotomayor, and Alito(who is conservative). Alito,Scalia, thomas, and Roberts are for sure against it. Kennedy is the swig vote. The court is not going to argue the merits of the case. They won't address the equality of gay of marriage. They will determine if the case has standing and if it doesn't then that's end of the argument.

[pat grimshaw]

.....And for many of us that would come with a lifetime committment and fidelity, not divorce and adultery.

I'm just amused at the thought of those kids who can't decide between Gaga and Britney making a commitment to have and to hold, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to obey, till death they do part.

[JayHawk]

I'm just amused at the thought of those kids who can't decide between Gaga and Britney making a commitment to have and to hold, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to obey, till death they do part.

I am amused at how butt hurt people appear at the chance every human would have the choice to choose until death do they part or to choose a long bloody and shit filled divorce.

[JayHawk]

but Lawerence v Texas was a privacy issue about sex. The liberal judges Stevens, Souter, and Oconner who were a part of the Lawerence majority are gone they were replaced by Kagan, Sotomayor, and Alito(who is conservative). Alito,Scalia, thomas, and Roberts are for sure against it. Kennedy is the swig vote. The court is not going to argue the merits of the case. They won't address the equality of gay of marriage. They will determine if the case has standing and if it doesn't then that's end of the argument.

Right and at the end of the argument is gay marriage in California and equal benefits in the second district.... it will take a few more cases and after Alito kicks the fucking bucket and Obama appoints an actual impartial judge who believes in all people instead of a perverted religious doctrine of hate

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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* was doin ma job *
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[Hard-up1]

I'm just amused at the thought of those kids who can't decide between Gaga and Britney making a commitment to have and to hold, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to obey, till death they do part.

But, to be fair, the same "kids" are eligible to pay (higher) taxes than couples, to drive cars, to vote, to be killed in the name of empire freedom, and to have children.

It is absurd to suggest that a right is to be limited just because some people don't seem mature enough.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

mature ? only 21 st century

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[penayforay]

kind of premature to be saying get ready...

[csb999]

Marriage . I think you could argue that really any financial-legal relationship between people is in the process of vanishing legally and culturally in the West : marriage is becoming unfashionable . Historically perhaps 1950s we dropped financial responsibility to our parents . Recently ( you will have observed this if you're old enough ) we have basically dropped the idea that a spouse has a financial obligation to support the other , alimony ( I would say this is a manifestation of the equality of women , that historically a woman's wealth or class was first that of her father then dependent on her husband ) . Remaining would be only child-support ( which is in my experience erratic in its application ) and inheritance to children .

[lambdaboy]

Doubt any of us will live long enough as long as the U.S. has Jesus up there ass. This American now is also British as soon as we got here we got our civil partnership. Marriage will be in Two years.

And one major difference here we have all the perks that a het married couple has including the Tax Breaks and British SSi If one dies the other gets it not in the states

[frankfrank]

I support gay marriage in the interest of equality and it is a major issue for me BUT as an individual I have no desire to embrace such an oppressive institution.

"Marriage is an institution,
I don't like living in an institution."

--"Love and Marriage" by Homer and Jethro, 1955--

[rareboy]

I'm just amused at the thought of those kids who can't decide between Gaga and Britney making a commitment to have and to hold, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to obey, till death they do part.

Well here's news alert for you.

After 30 years with the same partner...our relationship is one of the most stable in the entire family.

Just because you can't get a relationship to stick doesn't give you the right to piss all over everyone else.

[ibill1]

Well here's news alert for you.

After 30 years with the same partner...our relationship is one of the most stable in the entire family.

Just because you can't get a relationship to stick doesn't give you the right to piss all over everyone else.

Ours lasted 33 yrs. until Steve passed. When we met and fell in love at 17 in the 70's most gay men were hunkered down in the closet.

We actually did have and hold each other until death, in sickness and in health, and we loved and cherished each other. It would have been nice to have been able to legalize it but we became domestic partners when Ca. started registration in the state. Our family and friends treated us as a married couple and that is all that mattered to us.

If someone is capable of loving another and having a long term relationship, it's going to happen whether they can get married or not.

[Huntneo(PT)]

Just because you can't get a relationship to stick doesn't give you the right to piss all over everyone else.

exactly.

This isn't about pat grimshaw (from my point of view) but gay people who are indifferent or *gasp* opposed to gay marriage in general. That or making the claim that we're wanting to 'be like the heteros'.

[sixthson]

Well here's news alert for you.

After 30 years with the same partner...our relationship is one of the most stable in the entire family.

Just because you can't get a relationship to stick doesn't give you the right to piss all over everyone else.

So, why aren't you married?

[eastofeden]

I LOVE not being married because I know when I go home...or when he comes home...which is everyday for the last 26 1/2 years...it is ONLY because we both WANT to. I find that infinitely more rewarding than doing it because we have entered into an institution which is designed by religious heterosexuals.

Traditional marriage vows...BARF. I want honesty and respect and I give that in return. Everything else is negotiable. I definitely do not expect anyone to obey me and if they cherish me that is something that should come naturally...not something you promise and force.

The 'til end of time stuff...sorry...most people wear masks and it can take years for you to see what is behind them. Promising eternity to a relative stranger is a bad idea...especially when you make it legal.

I have a problem with other people defining anything for me and people and society in general love to define marriage for everyone else when they should mind their own business...and I have a bigger problem with anyone not being treated equally under the law which is why I 100% support gay marriage...doesn't mean I would ever get married.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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[The White Stripe]

My Political Science professor was talking about this in class the other day. Evidently this is a "All or Nothing" case. If they vote to not legalize gay-marriage it will over turn all states that HAVE ALREADY legalized gay-marriage. So this is essentially and issue of state governments of states where gay marriage is not legal not wanting to recognize the marriages of people from pro-gay marriage states. This is going to be interesting and a very publicized ruling either way. I hope they do the right thing.

[pat grimshaw]

… I hope they do the right thing.

And what is the right thing? Demanding that federal politicians should have more power than state politicians?

I say it's none of their business. I don't want creepy, dopey pollies looking in my bedroom window.

I agree with these people—

[stacy]

The thing about gay marriage being legal is not the "hetero institution" of it, it is the fact that the "hetero institution" rules put in place will be equally shared across all relationships.

Isn't the point of equality the idea that everyone should be able to make that choice for themselves? Wouldn't it be nice to know that even IF you decide marriage is not for you, it is there should you someday want or need to enter in to the "hetero institution." Someday your partner is going to be sick and you will not be allowed to enter their hospital room or stand by their side or make decisions with them. Someday you will meet someone not from this country and they will be deported due to the shitty job market because you couldn't help them stay with you.

For some reason this country was built on the ideas of marriage and institutionalizing relationships. If you don't want to get married, don't. But the over-the-top spectacle of it is not everything. And that piece of paper you are shunning could very well mean your freedom to be by your partner's side as he dies, or him yours should you be in that position.

Holy hell people. Just because gay marriage may exist someday does not mean government entities are going to force you to comply. It will just be there should you choose to take that route. Many hetero couples have chosen not to get married. No one is standing at their door with a shotgun telling them they must get married or they're dead.

[xbuzzerx]

And what is the right thing? Demanding that federal politicians should have more power than state politicians?

I say it's none of their business. I don't want creepy, dopey pollies looking in my bedroom window.

I agree with these people—

Well on that reasoning what business is it of an Australian what happens with U.S. law?

[pat grimshaw]

^ We have the same argument happening here. And the argument is not going well. It's alienating millions of people who regard their marriage vows as a sacred and legal oath. And the current national prime minister has vowed to not allow a change of laws.

And there's also a noticeable demarcation between the over-30 gays who know how to organise their own lives and the under-20s who are campaigning for it for lack of a better things to campaign for. They see marriage as a theoretical Disney type institution which may or not affect their lives.

And in regards to post #47.
All those situations can be handled. Legalised gay marriage will be a boon for lawyers to write all those gay pre-nups and gay back-out clauses

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

^
All those situations can be handled. Legalised gay marriage will be a boon for lawyers to write all those gay pre-nups and gay back-out clauses

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