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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    The idea is about legal equality. It sounds subtle, but is really very important.

    All this talk about we-really ought to just have something special just for us does not treat that de jure is absolute not de facto equality. Many people do not understand what a domestic partnership is, even if it is a de jure equivalent.

    As jayhawk said, separate is very much not equal. If you commit to someone your whole life, the difference will matter during some of the most critical parts of it, especially through death and bereavement.

    If people are rejecting gay marriage because it is too conservative, they are giving the wrong reasons to oppose it. Society treats marriage as very important whether we like it or not, and domestic partnerships will forever relegate gays as less than equal. It's really too bad if some people don't want that to be true, because wishes don't change how other people perceive us. One cannot walk through life without interacting with the public, and therefore how the public and the government perceive one's personal relationships matter.

    In the end, if there are gay couples who do not want marriage, that is fine, but do not make that choice for the whole community. Separate but equal does damage, and that's why our advocates have made marriage equality the cause celebre. Rejecting conservative institutions may be an important goal, but it is important to remember that damage to the LGBT community is done when that principle is not advocated for universally.
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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    I can't even take seriously the concept that opposition to this came up on a reasoning of "someone/something telling me what to do!"

    I think Pat's trolling us.

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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Now since we fight like a married couple would you care to meet me at the alter?
    You should alter your "alter" to "altar".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    You should alter your "alter" to "altar".
    Quite so old boy, Quite so.
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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Now since we fight like a married couple would you care to meet me at the alter? (lefty said he would drive... errr... provide transportation)
    How about a civil partnership inside a submarine with full military ceremony, presided over by the captain (do subs have captains?) after which, all the crew strip off, and we all get orgy-tastic with those muscular navy guys.

    This will be an open relationship and strictly non-monogamous, after all.

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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I can't even take seriously the concept that opposition to this came up on a reasoning of "someone/something telling me what to do!"

    I think Pat's trolling us.
    I think they're/he's seeing it from the view of "having to conform to that religious institution in order to be together". That's a good reason to go with the renaming of the institution in the law, to show that it isn't the religious institution at all, but is a legal creation, nothing more nor less. Call it "union", call it "joining", call it "Whoo-hoo!", just call it something other than marriage. That might finally drive home the point to both religious imperialists and dimwit gays that it isn't what they do in churches.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    How about a civil partnership inside a submarine with full military ceremony, presided over by the captain (do subs have captains?) after which, all the crew strip off, and we all get orgy-tastic with those muscular navy guys.

    This will be an open relationship and strictly non-monogamous, after all.
    Well i cant post this in HT but here is a what I see as our wedding program....

    http://guysgocrazyblog.com/?cat=16&paged=2
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    Re: the countdown to the legalization of gay marriage in america begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I think they're/he's seeing it from the view of "having to conform to that religious institution in order to be together". That's a good reason to go with the renaming of the institution in the law, to show that it isn't the religious institution at all, but is a legal creation, nothing more nor less. Call it "union", call it "joining", call it "Whoo-hoo!", just call it something other than marriage. That might finally drive home the point to both religious imperialists and dimwit gays that it isn't what they do in churches.
    I would accept this explanation if he hadn't launched into a tirade about Federal courts telling states what to do.

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