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    Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    With all of the deaths caused by Agent Orange, I cannot believe that Dow is actually gonna produce a food with agent orange as a part of the process. This is a petition if y'all want to sign it.

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    Tell USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack Not to Approve New 2,4-D-Resistant GMO Crops

    Please take action today! Petitions will be delivered on December 11!*

    Remember Agent Orange? The 2,4-D chemical concoction commissioned by the U.S. Army to defoliate jungles and destroy food crops during the Vietnam War? It could soon be coming to a grocery store near you. Within a week, the USDA could approve Dow's new "Enlist" brand corn, genetically engineered to resist massive doses of the herbicide 2,4-D. Unless we stop it.
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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    I had a teacher in High School die of it. It slowly seeps into your nervous system and then it starts to eat away at it slowly.

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Done. A friend who served in the USN during the Vietnam war was affected by this poison.

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lestatnj View Post
    Done. A friend who served in the USN during the Vietnam war was affected by this poison.
    ^^Hence what I think my health problems are. My last 2 years was at a communication station in Hawaii. This was during the Viet Nam War. Well the Army has a fort on Waikiki. There it is quite possible to have sex with the military coming to Waikiki for R&R. It wasn't known then that the effects of Agent Orange could be passed on to a sexual partner.
    I have known military vets that have died from it. My sister-in-law had a sister married to a Vet and he totally went crazy with the effects of it.
    We don't need this in our food supply
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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Signed.

    The only place I can see for using the bloody stuff is to eliminate dangerously invasive species that can't be handled by anything else.

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    ^ And it has to be something hella more dangerous than, say, kudzu.
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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    ^ And it has to be something hella more dangerous than, say, kudzu.
    We've got Japanese knotweed, which in open areas chokes out literally everything native, and is useful for nothing. It wipes out habitat for every animal larger than a small mouse. There's only one chemical that kills it, but it's only effective about five days in the year, when the flowers are just opening. The only natural way to inhibit the stuff is to turn the entire countryside into forest -- fully mature forest. But that doesn't kill it; if that forest is ever logged, the knotweed comes back.

    There's a rather drastic way to kill it short of Agent Orange: a fire hot enough to sterilize the soil four feet deep. That's sort of hard to do on a river bank.

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    and if any of you actually read the article you would see that this substance at no point contains any herbicide at all but is GENETICALLY MODIFIED supposedly to resist this . If any of you actually read the article . Fairly pointless .

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    and if any of you actually read the article you would see that this substance at no point contains any herbicide at all but is GENETICALLY MODIFIED supposedly to resist this . If any of you actually read the article . Fairly pointless .
    And why would they genetically modify it to be resistant to something that's illegal to use?

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    and if any of you actually read the article you would see that this substance at no point contains any herbicide at all but is GENETICALLY MODIFIED supposedly to resist this . If any of you actually read the article . Fairly pointless .
    My point is it kills. There have been no tests to see how dangerous it is. Have you read the article?
    I was there, I know what it does.
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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    The corn is modified to be resistant to 2-4D, with the expectation that 2-4D would then be applied to the field, killing the weeds and leaving the corn. This is intended to compete with Monsanto's highly successful modification of soybeans and other crops to be resistant to its Roundup product which will kill almost any plant. It was found that petunias are resistant to Roundup, so they transferred the gene of resistance from the petunia to the soybean seed.
    The corn they are talking about is field corn, which is fed to animals, not humans. We eat sweet corn, specially raised for human consumption.
    I don't claim to know how dangerous it would be to the people applying the stuff, or whether the corn could absorb it.

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Multinational corporations are evil.

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    Multinational corporations are evil.
    You said a mouthful.
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    agent orange sure sounds scary, I agree we should have a knee-jerk reaction and vote to ban this without a full understanding of what they're trying to do or how increased food production would be good for the global community.

    just for the record, 2,4-D is not Agent Orange, and it's already being used as an herbicide.

    2,4-D is currently utilised as a herbicide in agriculture, though it is used sparingly compared with Roundup. The change here would expand options for farmers to use 2,4-D.

    Although it was is one of two chemical ingredients in Agent Orange, the chemical was not implicated in causing the devastating health impacts suffered by many people exposed to the defoliant.
    less inflammatory reading: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19585341

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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    agent orange sure sounds scary, I agree we should have a knee-jerk reaction and vote to ban this without a full understanding of what they're trying to do or how increased food production would be good for the global community.

    just for the record, 2,4-D is not Agent Orange, and it's already being used as an herbicide.



    less inflammatory reading: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19585341
    Thank you. This is a whole different story than in my link. Now who do we believe? I want to believe yours but it needs to come down to the USDA to come out with which is correct.

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    Remember Agent Orange? The 2,4-D chemical concoction commissioned by the U.S. Army to defoliate jungles and destroy food crops during the Vietnam War? It could soon be coming to a grocery store near you. Within a week, the USDA could approve Dow's new "Enlist" brand corn, genetically engineered to resist massive doses of the herbicide 2,4-D. Unless we stop it.
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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    agent orange sure sounds scary, I agree we should have a knee-jerk reaction and vote to ban this without a full understanding of what they're trying to do or how increased food production would be good for the global community.

    just for the record, 2,4-D is not Agent Orange, and it's already being used as an herbicide.



    less inflammatory reading: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19585341
    I used google for more info. You will see there are 2 parts in Agent Orange.
    2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
    2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T)
    the second one being the most toxic.

    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerc...nge-and-cancer

    --snip--

    Some background on Agent Orange

    During the Vietnam War, US military forces sprayed millions of gallons of herbicides (plant-killing chemicals) on lands in Vietnam and Laos to remove forest cover, destroy crops, and clear vegetation from the perimeters of US bases. This effort, known as Operation Ranch Hand, lasted from 1962 to 1971.

    Different mixes of herbicides were used, but most were mixtures of 2 chemicals that were phenoxy herbicides:

    2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D)
    2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T)

    Each mixture was shipped in a chemical drum marked with an identifying colored stripe. The most widely used mixture contained equal parts 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T. Because this herbicide came in drums with orange stripes, it was called Agent Orange. Today, Agent Orange is used to refer generally to all the phenoxy herbicides sprayed at the time. (Other types of herbicides were also used, including cacodylic acid and picloram.)

    The 2,4,5-T in Agent Orange was contaminated with small amounts of dioxins, which were created unintentionally during the manufacturing process. Dioxins are a family of about 75 related chemicals. They can be formed during the making of paper and in some other industrial processes. The main dioxin in Agent Orange, 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin, or TCDD, is one of the most toxic.
    --snip--

    And somthing I found about my illnesses. I was diagnosed with Porphyria Cutanea Tarda back in '76 or so.
    The blistering when in the sun. I joked about being a Vampire. In fact I did read once that it was called the Vampire disease back whenever.
    I read this in a VA site.
    But, of course the VA doesn't consider it treatable if not in 1 year from exposure. I was told it wasn't treatable and never cured.

    Porphyria Cutanea Tarda
    A disorder characterized by liver dysfunction and by thinning and blistering of the skin in sun-exposed areas. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year of exposure to herbicides.
    Here is a link to the disases caused by Agent Orange. This is where I found the Porphyria.

    http://www.publichealth.va.gov/expos...s.asp#veterans

    Veterans' Diseases Associated with Agent Orange


    VA assumes that certain diseases can be related to a Veteran’s qualifying military service. We call these "presumptive diseases."

    VA has recognized certain cancers and other health problems as presumptive diseases associated with exposure to Agent Orange or other herbicides during military service. Veterans and their survivors may be eligible for disability compensation or survivors' benefits for these diseases.
    Well, parts are off topic, but I didn't make it on topic anyway. Good info on Agent Orange.
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    Re: Stop Agent Orange GMOs!

    I’ve been Googling this topic a bit. It appears to me that 2,4-D (2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid) and other closely related chemicals are already used extensively for food agriculture in the US and elsewhere. It is also a common ingredient in lawn products available for residential use to control weeds.

    I have found a number of objections to the development of 2,4-D-resistant crops, which fundamentally involve a valid assumption that implementing such a strain will increase use of the chemical for which it is modified to resist.


    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The corn is modified to be resistant to 2-4D … This is intended to compete with Monsanto's highly successful modification of soybeans and other crops to be resistant to its Roundup product which will kill almost any plant.
    And one of the outcomes from Monsanto’s “Roundup Ready” crops has been the emergence of weeds that are resistant to glyphosate-based herbicides.


    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The corn they are talking about is field corn, which is fed to animals, not humans.
    Can you point to a reliable source to verify that this 2,4-D-resistant corn will be limited to agronomic crops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    And one of the outcomes from Monsanto’s “Roundup Ready” crops has been the emergence of weeds that are resistant to glyphosate-based herbicides.




    Can you point to a reliable source to verify that this 2,4-D-resistant corn will be limited to agronomic crops?
    Does the latter make much difference, given the former? No matter what it's grown for, it will still have the risk of the above outcome. Do we really want an escalation that could lead to noxious plants so tough we have to resort to chemicals that will kill us to control them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Does the latter make much difference, given the former? No matter what it's grown for, it will still have the risk of the above outcome. Do we really want an escalation that could lead to noxious plants so tough we have to resort to chemicals that will kill us to control them?
    In conjunction with my experience in microbiology, the result reminds me very much of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. As resistance increases, ever-newer and more ingenious drugs are required to tamp them down. I reckon the solution can sometimes become the problem.

    I’m not sure if the latter makes a difference, but am curious to know if it is part of the presentation.

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    Something to check out is the results of chemicals controlling whatever, the runoff into the waters is killing fish. The Mississippi has a large kill offshore. I think the Rio Grande into the Gulf also.
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