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    Mormon Church more compassionate towards gays???

    This came across in today's news

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Mo.../story.htmland

    the thing about it that struck me is that their "supportive" site http://www.mormonsandgays.org/....uses the word "gay" at all. But of course it still preserves their definition of marriage (as between a man and a woman).
    Well, some progress even if it's just a lip-service gesture...

    An excerpt from their web page:

    "...The Church’s approach to this issue stands apart from society in many ways. And that’s alright. Reasonable people can and do differ. From a public relations perspective it would be easier for the Church to simply accept homosexual behavior. That we cannot
    do, for God’s law is not ours to change.
    There is no change in the Church’s position of what is morally right. But what is changing — and what needs to change — is to help Church members respond sensitively and thoughtfully when they encounter same-sex attraction in their own families, among other Church members, or elsewhere."

    Yeah pawn it off to "God's law".....COWARDS.
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    I prefer http://www.mormonsexposed.com/. I find it more believable. Or at least attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    From a public relations perspective it would be easier for the Church to simply accept homosexual behavior. That we cannot
    do, for God’s law is not ours to change.
    There is no change in the Church’s position of what is morally right.
    At least until their Church President and Prophet-for-Life decides he's received a new "revelation". Then what came before makes no difference and only the current "truth" matters. At least that was their explanation for suddenly deciding in 1978 that African-Americans weren't automatically condemned to hell.

    Religion + politics = bad juju.

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    How terribly brave of them to take the road less travelled in the land of PR.


    Useless bunch of ignorant tits.
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    It's not even a token gesture, and it shows. Pathetic.

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    I would think as a policy it might be more reasonable as a goal to be rejected in a way that you can choose to ignore rather than be accepted or approved of . Rather a large number of people will never accept you period . Calgary Mormon you will get a comment on a website , Saudi Arabia you can be beheaded now and most places until recently you would get a jail term . Disapproval I can live with but I would rather not be decapitated .

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    Re: Mormon Church more compassionate towards gays???

    For them to be "more compassionate" implies that they had some measure of compassion before. The only claim to such would be that they don't call for gays to be killed.

    So the answer is "What, are you kidding?"

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    For them to be "more compassionate" implies that they had some measure of compassion before. The only claim to such would be that they don't call for gays to be killed.

    So the answer is "What, are you kidding?"
    Well aren't all religions supposed to teach compassion? Your views are perhaps correct though a little harsh. The view of the LDS organisation certainly isn't held by all of it's adherants. SOME compassion existed before - I am just speculating they may be more...

    You sound a little reactionary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Well aren't all religions supposed to teach compassion? Your views are perhaps correct though a little harsh. The view of the LDS organisation certainly isn't held by all of it's adherants. SOME compassion existed before - I am just speculating they may be more...

    You sound a little reactionary...
    The Mormon church has never exhibited the least bit of compassion toward gays. They haven't even put forth the wearing of their holy underwear as a cure.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Well aren't all religions supposed to teach compassion? Your views are perhaps correct though a little harsh. The view of the LDS organisation certainly isn't held by all of it's adherants. SOME compassion existed before - I am just speculating they may be more...

    You sound a little reactionary...
    How's this then: I have more respect for Fred Phelps than the Mormon Church. Phelps calls it like he sees it, instead of this image-conscious hypocritical toxic two-faced Mormon spew. They can take their Quorum and go pick flies off a camel. And two-faced is really the word for it.

    BTW, the ship sailed two decades ago with the "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin" bullshit. The Catholics should sue for copyright infringement since they pioneered the two-faced technique. That didn't go over so well either.

    Kulindahr's quite right about their absence of compassion. Check out 8:The Mormon Proposition for examples of how parents would rather see their children be dead than gay. Thinking its for the best. And the church complicit in this attitude and actively promoting the legalized bigotry that makes it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Well aren't all religions supposed to teach compassion?
    This statement is completely baffling. Why would any religion necessarily have anything in common with the next, other than some general roles that religion often fills?

    One religion might teach hate, another compassion, one judgment, another forgiveness, one harmony, another conquest.

    Would one not expect religions to be as variable as say, marriages. One may be a business agreement, another about a meeting of minds, and yet another about erotic attraction.

    Aren't all gays supposed to be effeminate? Aren't Northeasterners supposed to be rude? Aren't blondes supposed to be vapid?

    To the LDS compassionate statement, I'd say "do not look a gift horse in the mouth." Although the statement may well be for propaganda purposes only, on another level, it may be the softening up of the front lines. Mormons are so numerous that they will have an increasing faction that will want some kind of acceptance for their gay sons, and currently there is nothing.

    Society is changing. We are gaining ground, and the more that happens in modern societies, the more the pressure will be on the LDS to come around.
    Last edited by Hard-up1; December 6th, 2012 at 10:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I prefer http://www.mormonsexposed.com/. I find it more believable. Or at least attractive.
    Mormons Exposed Mormon Sex Posed

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    rather condescending

    It's SO nice of them to acknowledge that we exist

    What's next, LDS?

    Even this tiniest concession has Brigham Young spinning in his grave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    How's this then: I have more respect for Fred Phelps than the Mormon Church. Phelps calls it like he sees it, instead of this image-conscious hypocritical toxic two-faced Mormon spew. They can take their Quorum and go pick flies off a camel. And two-faced is really the word for it.

    BTW, the ship sailed two decades ago with the "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin" bullshit. The Catholics should sue for copyright infringement since they pioneered the two-faced technique. That didn't go over so well either.

    Kulindahr's quite right about their absence of compassion. Check out 8:The Mormon Proposition for examples of how parents would rather see their children be dead than gay. Thinking its for the best. And the church complicit in this attitude and actively promoting the legalized bigotry that makes it happen.
    I agree with this.

    What I would like to understand is why the Moron Church is suddenly even bothering.

    It tells me that the backlash against them over the last year must be hurting somewhat.

    Or they are coming to terms with the idea that they could be on the losing side of Prop 8 and that there could be backlash against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    What I would like to understand is why the Mormon Church is suddenly even bothering.

    It tells me that the backlash against them over the last year must be hurting somewhat.
    To the contrary, I'd imagine that strategists at the top of LDS, and myriads below them, are seeing Gov. Romney's unsucessful run as an inspiration that marks the mainstream acceptance of Mormonism.

    They have progressed amazingly in public opinion since 1890 when they were disincorporated by U.S. federal action and their SLC temple seized by armed force due to polygamy and other conflicts with the U.S.

    In only a century, they have not only fielded a presidential candidate twice, but showcased a Mormon as the governor of a classically liberal and progressive state.

    Far from seeing the glass as half-empty, the LDS leadership is doubtlessly noting how close they came to victory, against a constant drumbeat of media and pundits who preached the GOP wanted "anyone but Mitt."

    The LDS has patiently and systematically maneuvered dogma and public opinion to see Mormonism as mainstream instead of fringe. In this most recent "defeat," they observed hardline Christian Fundamentalists, notorious for intractable doctrinal positions in matters of politics, endorse their candidate, even though they KNOW the Fundamentalists deem Mormonism as anathema.

    Instead of licking their wounds, I think I hear the sound of backs being slapped.
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    Re: Mormon Church more compassionate towards gays???

    I once living in the south of The U.S> had two hot Mormon missionaries come to my door. I told them I respected there choice to believe what they wanted, but I was gay. One of them said I was gay you can change. I smiled said come in here and within 5 min you will be gay again. He got all red and left. 5 Hours later he alone came to the door nervously said can I have sex with you. Fucking hot

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    Then, at that point, he would no longer be a Mormon missionary, as they are not allowed to leave the presence of their companion when on mission, and his absence would have caused his partner to report him and end his mission.

    They are watched like hawks while on mission, and they use the other missionary to observe them and report. That is one of the gaps in the movie about the gay missionary. His private time would have been impossible.

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