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    Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    The whole interview is really interesting (and depressing).

    This part fascinated me the most.

    Blaine Harden: He had a compass. But the compass were the rules of the camp, the only compass he had. And it was only when he was 23, when he met somebody from the outside, that that started to change.
    Anderson Cooper: When he met Park.
    Blaine Harden: When he met Park.
    Park was a new prisoner Shin says he met while working in Camp 14's textile factory. Unlike Shin, Park had seen the outside world. He'd lived in Pyongyang and traveled in China, and he began to tell Shin what life was like on the other side of the fence.
    Shin Dong-hyuk: I paid most attention to what kind of food he ate outside the camp.
    Anderson Cooper: What kind of food he had eaten?
    Shin Dong-hyuk: A lot of different things. Broiled chicken. Barbecued pig. The most important thing was the thought that even a prisoner like me could eat chicken and pork if I were able to escape the barbed wires.
    Anderson Cooper: I've heard people define freedom in many ways. I've never heard someone define it as broiled chicken.
    Shin Dong-hyuk: I still think of freedom in that way.
    Anderson Cooper: That's what freedom means to you?
    Shin Dong-hyuk: People can eat what they want. It could be the greatest gift from God.
    Anderson Cooper: You were ready to die-- just to get a good meal?
    Shin Dong-hyuk: Yes.
    In the first line from the above quote they talk about a moral compass, something that he only knew as the "rules of the camp", as he was born in the camp. So it was no question for him to report his family for trying to escape. They were executed and he had to watch.
    It was only after seeing what family life was like outside Camp 14 that Shin says he started to feel guilt about what he had done to his own mother and brother.
    It's a long read, but I can only recommend it:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...-brutal-years/
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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    Its sad to read that. Very sad. For his mother and brother to be killed because he ratted on them trying to escape, I think it is deplorable.

    I'm left thinking how many people would have died as reprisal for him escaping...


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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    Saw the interview on 60 Minutes on Sunday...incredible sad. Definitely buying the book. It's good that he's paying it forward in raising awareness.

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    If you have never watched the movie King Rat, it will afford great insight into the horrors that result from the intensified instincts that take over when trying to survive in a concentration camp.

    I last saw it more than a decade ago, and it yet came to mind immediately when reading Corny's post.

    The ability to judge prisoners from our comfortable perches goes away, as it should.

    In a very true sense ethically, no prisoner is ever "responsible" for another prisoner's death, no matter how it may appear to the onlooker. The prison guards and managers are ultimately and conclusively to blame. We tend to confuse the scene with that of a criminal prison. It is not the same, and rights and protections are gone in a concentration camp.

    It obviously leaves survivors horribly scarred for the things they did to survive.
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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    ^ yes, how true!

    He was born in the concentration camp. Parents were both separated for the most part. His parents were only to be allowed (by the guards) to be together as a reward only after putting in very hard manual labor work in the fields. He didn't know what it means to be a family; he didn't know what love is. He was taught/brainwashed at an early age to rat out anyone who attempted to escape (including family members). He didn't have a different view to compare to. He lacked perspective. That was the right thing to do according to the guards. He was basically raised by the Communist guards...not his parents.

    For anyone who understands or has lived through Communism, severing your emotional and family ties is one of the party's goals. You should only have loyalty to the Communist party...NOT your family.

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    I read his book, Escape from camp 14 and it really was heartbreaking. The world seems to be powerless to stop the atrocities that are going on in North Korea for so many reasons. China is the only country that is behind North Korea and the only reason for that is because if the North Korean regime collapses, then 24 million refugees will come flooding into China and destroy their economy.. Ditto for South Korea, the north has the means to obliterate them. I would recommend that everyone who is interested in the subject read the book "Nothing to Envy, ordinary lives in North Korea'... Fascinating book that really shows the reality of that country.

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    Thanks for the recommendation "Nothing to Envy".

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    The part where he was craving for the rat he was scampering off and the guard forced him to eat it live....

    Damn.

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    Counter revolutionary bourgeois!

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    Re: Freedom is eating broiled chicken - Interviews with an escapee from N. Korean camps

    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromNY View Post
    I read his book, Escape from camp 14 and it really was heartbreaking. The world seems to be powerless to stop the atrocities that are going on in North Korea for so many reasons. China is the only country that is behind North Korea and the only reason for that is because if the North Korean regime collapses, then 24 million refugees will come flooding into China and destroy their economy.. Ditto for South Korea, the north has the means to obliterate them. I would recommend that everyone who is interested in the subject read the book "Nothing to Envy, ordinary lives in North Korea'... Fascinating book that really shows the reality of that country.
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