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    HIV and Kissing

    So I have made some very extensive research about the ways how HIV can infect you, and yet again I am totally shocked over this one particular form: kissing.

    There are more than 30 million infected people out there and there is only one case where the actual infection happened through kissing, and even there the circumstances are questionable.

    I know that it is in the best interest of humanity to be extra very careful about HIV, and I support every action that aims to stop it, but I think the media turned it into sort of a "good story".

    We all know the regular ways of HIV infection: unprotected vaginal and anal sex, oral sex, needles, blood transfusion, and whatnot, but seriously now... kissing?
    When did this all start? Why does the media shout it everywhere as if it was a fact that yes, kissing is a valid and totally normal way to get infected with HIV if it is in fact not?

    Now I am not aware about the situation in America, but here in Hungary there is a panic-wave about kissing in the gay communities.

    Is that truly so dangerous to kiss someone that you should go and get yourself tested?
    Can't you just go home and sleep, because it dogs you and haunts your sleep that you might be infected because he may have had a bleeding wound in his mouth but you didn't notice?

    Last time I dated I have kissed the guy and his lips broke and started bleeding.
    I didn't notice. Should I wait for 3 months and get tested? Because if that is a valid way of infection than I will. But honestly speaking, I don't want to live like this anymore. Watching my every step, analyzing a certain event to the deepest details to find a way and validate my fears.

    I can't go on like this. Should I give up dating completely? There is nothing in the world I want more than finding someone I match with, but it seems like something always happens to fuck things up.

    I just wanted a normal, simple kiss. BANG, his fucking lips are so sensitive he can't handle it so it breaks and starts bleeding. Fuck you Adam, get some more nightmares for trying to be happy.

    that's all. Sorry for being the drama queen again, I just had to put this down.

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    Re: HIV and Kissing

    What is this 1985?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    What is this 1985?
    I wish it were. I didn't live and I didn't have to endure all the stress that comes with life.
    When I die, that will be relief of this self-inflicted terror that I can't seem to resolve.

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    You kinda missed my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    You kinda missed my point.
    I humbly request clarification.

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    In 1985 people thought you could easily catch it by kissing, even just hugging or shaking hands. People didn't want to share a bathroom with infected people and they were even quarantined at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    In 1985 people thought you could easily catch it by kissing, even just hugging or shaking hands. People didn't want to share a bathroom with infected people and they were even quarantined at times.
    I understand, but this is about kissing.
    Many people, including me fear kissing because media made it fearful.
    I understand with my reasoning abilities that the risk of kissing is nonexistent, but since the dear media decided to make the ONE case of HIV infection through kissing a sensation, I am afraid that it may happen to me.
    And I don't really care how much of a risk it is. Low-risk, high-risk it is all the same, it is risk. I can't handle risks, not when it comes down to this.

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    I compared it with 1985 because it's ridiculous paranoia and phobia.

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    I keep asking why the gay community is so busy worrying about what you do with people rather than who you do it with.

    Knowing people and their health status is far more relaxing than trying to not get HIV from a stranger.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I keep asking why the gay community is so busy worrying about what you do with people rather than who you do it with.

    Knowing people and their health status is far more relaxing than trying to not get HIV from a stranger.
    You may be right, but it usually runs the conversation if you bring that up here.
    Maybe I should bring the change though.

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    Re: HIV and Kissing

    Quote Originally Posted by Coward92 View Post
    I understand, but this is about kissing.
    Many people, including me fear kissing because media made it fearful.
    I understand with my reasoning abilities that the risk of kissing is nonexistent, but since the dear media decided to make the ONE case of HIV infection through kissing a sensation, I am afraid that it may happen to me.
    And I don't really care how much of a risk it is. Low-risk, high-risk it is all the same, it is risk. I can't handle risks, not when it comes down to this.
    LIFE is a terminal disease. We ALL die from it.

    I used to be just a paranoid about catching something. This has kept me miserable and alone for a LOONG time.
    At some point I had to realize that NOTHING worth pursuing comes without SOME risk. For instance, I love to body surf. But I can get hurt, drown, or get hit by a shark. I decided that I accept that risk, or I may as well stop being alive.

    Same with people. I can't be alone forever.... so I accept the risks, but protect myself otherwise, like no sex without a condom.
    Is it POSSIBLE to catch HIV? Yeah.... if one of you is bleeding.... But then you shouldn't be french kissing someone who is obviously bleeding from his mouth... (EEEWWWWW!)

    At some point you'll have to decide how much risk you are willing to take in order to live a mentally healthy life.

    Find someone who you are into, get tested for peace of mind, and live your life. If you are scared, don't hook up with strangers.

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    You would BOTH have to have open wounds for it to be possible... probably to the point of you tasting the blood.

    Which is why it's almost impossible to get it from kissing.

    Eating food is probably a million times riskier than kissing an HIV infected person.

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    The estimates say that there are about 34 million people with HIV worldwide. That's not a typo- yes, 34 million.

    Most people self-report their method of infection, so we'll give this person the benefit of the doubt and assume he or she is being honest that they only kissed. No ass fucking. No cock sucking. No needle sharing. No history of transfusion.

    A 1 in a 34 million chance. I'd take those odds any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    The estimates say that there are about 34 million people with HIV worldwide. That's not a typo- yes, 34 million.

    Most people self-report their method of infection, so we'll give this person the benefit of the doubt and assume he or she is being honest that they only kissed. No ass fucking. No cock sucking. No needle sharing. No history of transfusion.

    A 1 in a 34 million chance. I'd take those odds any day.

    Your odds are inaccurate..more like 1 in 1,222,750 on a day basis based on 2 million new infections worldwide in 2011 and population of the earth about 6.7 billion at the end of 2011 and then divide by 365 to get day odds etc. Odds slightly less for 2012 though no complete data exists because year isn't finished. 1 in 34 million is wrong. Since the time to infection of the world total is more than a year you must take last complete year new infections divided by total world population at the end of that year. It's not completely accurate since averaging has not been applied tho still but more so than taking all infected persons regardless of time of infection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut
    A 1 in a 34 million chance. I'd take those odds any day.
    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Your odds are inaccurate..more like 1 in 1,222,750 on a day basis based on 2 million new infections worldwide in 2011 and population of the earth about 6.7 billion at the end of 2011 and then divide by 365 to get day odds etc. Odds slightly less for 2012 though no complete data exists because year isn't finished. 1 in 34 million is wrong. Since the time to infection of the world total is more than a year you must take last complete year new infections divided by total world population at the end of that year. It's not completely accurate since averaging has not been applied tho still but more so than taking all infected persons regardless of time of infection.
    Um, the comment was intended to be sardonic.
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    In 1985 the poor people that got it had no clue. Today is sadder we know how to prtect and it is on the rise again and any ass hole that gets it almost deserves it.

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    That's harsh to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdaboy View Post
    In 1985 the poor people that got it had no clue. Today is sadder we know how to prtect and it is on the rise again and any ass hole that gets it almost deserves it.
    This was very cruel of you to say. Everyone makes mistakes, and rarely do you find a person who deserves something so life-crippling as HIV.

    However, thanks to all of you who have replied to the topic. I seem to be done with HIV paranoia.

    I have taken some self-improvement books and meditation.
    I have realized that by taking responsibility for my actions I can face anything.
    Basically I made a deal with my demon. I go and get myself checked every 6 months, and live my life.

    And so it happens, it seems like I'm dating someone theese days. And I'm not afraid of kissing anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdaboy View Post
    In 1985 the poor people that got it had no clue. Today is sadder we know how to prtect and it is on the rise again and any ass hole that gets it almost deserves it.
    Except for the fact that the fastest growing population of HIV-infected people (both in the US and worldwide) is women of color. They're unlikely to be getting it via their "ass hole".
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    HIV infections among gay men are increasing again and we are still the highest sex risk group.

    Being a minority doesn't say much since there are much more straight people out there.

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