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November 30th, 2012, 01:16 PM
#1
Seeking a free country
Drill, baby, drill... the atmosphere
While we sweat over what gas prices are going to do, gambling on when to fill up in the ups and downs of prices, always wondering how much the price will go up because of some pinch in supply, there are people who have been working on the problem. Instead of putting holes in the ground, though, or dumping tons of stuff into cookers that churn out oil, they're tapping the most ubiquitous resource on the planet: the air we breathe.
Okay, I can see how theoretically that might be a possibility, but it still seems like science fiction. OTOH...
The company,
Air Fuel Synthesis, explains it as follows:
Air Fuel Synthesis uses renewable energy to do what nature does with photosynthesis and time, converting carbon dioxide into oil. Put simply, Air Fuel Synthesis converts carbon dioxide and water into synthetic hydrocarbon liquids from which sustainable fuels or other oil based products can be made. ...Oil is basically made from carbon and hydrogen. Carbon is in the air in the form of carbon dioxide and hydrogen can be found in water.
Wasn't that enlightening?
read more
Don't expect to buy any soon -- but when it comes out on the market, expect it to drive prices down.
And wouldn't it be nice to know that the carbon you're putting our in vapors isn't changing the balance in the atmosphere?
Last edited by Kulindahr; November 30th, 2012 at 01:23 PM.
"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
*the number is now forty
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November 30th, 2012, 01:22 PM
#2
AshyPhoenix you can do it
Re: Drill, baby, drill... the atmosphere
Wouldn't things like biofuels be much more efficient? I can't imagine that the process of taking raw carbon and hydrogen and making a synthetic fuel-grade oil out of it is anything but energy intensive, if not energy inefficient for what you'll get out of the final product.
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November 30th, 2012, 02:05 PM
#3
Seeking a free country
Re: Drill, baby, drill... the atmosphere

Originally Posted by
xbuzzerx
Wouldn't things like biofuels be much more efficient? I can't imagine that the process of taking raw carbon and hydrogen and making a synthetic fuel-grade oil out of it is anything but energy intensive, if not energy inefficient for what you'll get out of the final product.
Obviously they don't think so.
"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
*the number is now forty
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December 8th, 2012, 04:13 AM
#4
Re: Drill, baby, drill... the atmosphere
i'm a bit out of touch in the chem department but its souds like it wont be that far from the original solar powered conversion of chemical energy that we are now using
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December 8th, 2012, 07:00 AM
#5
Virtus in medio stat
JUB Admin
Re: Drill, baby, drill... the atmosphere
Currently, commercial production of hydrogen is achieved almost exclusively by extraction from fossil fuels. It seems to me that the key to success in the Air Fuel Synthesis (AFS) concept is finding a way to produce enough electricity at a reasonable cost to separate hydrogen from water via electrolysis. There may be alternatives to that part of the puzzle, such as a method recently demonstrated by Caltech that employs the same basic principle as the catalytic converter currently installed in most automobiles. [Link]
Other than perfecting the science involved, the main challenge in the AFS concept is probably its capital cost.
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