JustUsBoys.com gay porn forum

logo

remove these banner ads by becoming a JUB Supporter.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 56
  1. #1
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    If you were a Palestinian....

    . . . what would you think of this video?




    It certainly has some things to say that would make people uncomfortable.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  2. #2
    Are u haleloo ya ? Telstra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Gender
    Male
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    29,406

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    .
    such a boring video with stupid slow music.
    0 out of 10 for its effectiveness.


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

  3. #3
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,239

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    I would think it was yet another cheap piece of pro-Jewish pro-Israeli propaganda, of the sort that attempts to portray Israel and Jews as above reproach and completely blameless in anything and everything they do. Complete bullshit.

    Kneeling for prayer is twisted into 'showing backside to the Dome of the Rock', kids playing ball outside is twisted into 'showiing disrespect for a holy site', historical facts from centuries and millennia ago are inferred to mean Palestinians have ZERO rights to ANY land.

    The outcome of it all is a continuation of illegal settlement building in the West Bank and Israel's refusal to pay any attention to the 1967 borders, all the while engaging in periodic blood-letting like when they carpet-bombed Lebanese families in 2006 and killed over 1,000 men, women, and children, then proceeded to do the same in the Gaza Strip a year or two later, all the time with the United States endorsing and condoning what they did and applauding from the background, while refusing EVERY attempt to hold them to account by the international community for their actions.

    And of course Israel wants you to forget about these atrocities they committed in the past. I DON'T.

    And funny, I think the same thing, whether I'm Muslim Palestinian, or atheist Brit.


    Last edited by ChickenGuy; November 30th, 2012 at 01:54 PM. Reason: Typos

  4. #4
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Jerusalem may be the holiest city to the Jews, but it has religious significance to muslims and christians also.

    I don't see what the video is trying to accomplish that is of any relevance to the situation in Jerusalem today. The Capital is shared between Israel and Palestine.

    Unless the objective is to drive out Palestinians from Israel on the basis that Jerusalem was once just for Jews???
    Seems an awful lot like propaganda to justify 'cleansing'.

  5. #5
    GiancarloC
    Guest

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    I've given up trying to give credit or support to either side... they both can kiss my butt. Both of them cause way too many problems for each other and they keep fighting each other. Sometimes it's time to get over it. Killing women and children on either side has gone on long enough... and both sides are covered in their own blood stained bullshit.

    As far as Jerusalem... learn how to live side by side and leave each other alone. People do it just fine here in America... or so we think.

  6. #6
    JUB Addict
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    9,785

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Arabs are stupid and Jews are smart...

  7. #7
    Are u haleloo ya ? Telstra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Gender
    Male
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    29,406

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    Arabs are stupid and Jews are smart...
    lol ......... maybe this is the catch phrase for all the UN members LOL


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

  8. #8
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Well to not inject my politics and to answer the OP question. If I was Palestinian I would think this was lies and would be outraged ... most times the truth is the most outrageous thing a people can hear.
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  9. #9
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well to not inject my politics and to answer the OP question. If I was Palestinian I would think this was lies and would be outraged ... most times the truth is the most outrageous thing a people can hear.
    "Truth" is a construct in a situation like this where someone is assigning "rightfulness", "respect", etc.

    Look at what anglo American land developers have done to Native sacred sites before being so quick to endorse in the idea of 'truth' when it comes to clashes of people's perspectives about rightful claims to things.

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    3,171

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    Unless the objective is to drive out Palestinians from Israel .
    Which is an extremely worthwhile goal.

  11. #11
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    Jerusalem may be the holiest city to the Jews, but it has religious significance to muslims and christians also.

    I don't see what the video is trying to accomplish that is of any relevance to the situation in Jerusalem today. The Capital is shared between Israel and Palestine.

    Unless the objective is to drive out Palestinians from Israel on the basis that Jerusalem was once just for Jews???
    Seems an awful lot like propaganda to justify 'cleansing'.
    The point I got was that the Qur'an supposedly says all that land belongs to the Jews, because Allah said so. I'm not convinced just by the video, but it would make an interesting twist if Hamas and others are actually going against their holy book.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  12. #12
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    "Truth" is a construct in a situation like this where someone is assigning "rightfulness", "respect", etc.

    Look at what anglo American land developers have done to Native sacred sites before being so quick to endorse in the idea of 'truth' when it comes to clashes of people's perspectives about rightful claims to things.
    SO what is your position? Do you think NA have a claim to the lands they conducted sacred rites on and then likewise support a Palestine that has no significance to the region in question except they decided it was theirs. That would seem rather contradictory.
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  13. #13
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    SO what is your position? Do you think NA have a claim to the lands they conducted sacred rites on and then likewise support a Palestine that has no significance to the region in question except they decided it was theirs. That would seem rather contradictory.
    Err.. did Palestinians just show up from Greenland or something uninvited? I'm getting the impression we read history books that said the exact opposite things.

    At any rate you lazily threw out "truth hurts" about this complicated situation as if there's one side truth is on and even if you personally define the "truth" as being set by a treaty or by recent habitation or whatever else, you're simply arbitrarily deciding something and the issue is clearly more involved than that lazy handwave. Much like when someone decides to go build a ski resort with automated lifts on a sacred Native prayer site which has been used since pre-history. If you define "truth" as "who holds the land deed" you have a very narrow viewpoint.
    Last edited by xbuzzerx; November 30th, 2012 at 04:29 PM.

  14. #14
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,239

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The point I got was that the Qur'an supposedly says all that land belongs to the Jews, because Allah said so. I'm not convinced just by the video, but it would make an interesting twist if Hamas and others are actually going against their holy book.
    As I understand it, the Israeli settlement mania is ALSO inspired by their holy book - that says that the resurrection/second coming/ascension to heaven (whatever you want to call it) will only happen when all lands between such-an-such an area are united under the rule of the Jewish people (I'm paraphrasing obviously)

    It would certainly explain why in the rare cases land was granted BACK from Israeli control and settlers evicted e.g. in Gaza a few years ago, that Orthodox Jews chained themselves to the buildings and barricaded themselves inside against the bulldozers, and had to be dragged out in tears by their own military.

    That is an obvious fervent religious reaction, and it is the impetus behind incessant and neverending settlement building and land-grabs. They will never stop. Unless they are forced to.

  15. #15
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Err.. did Palestinians just show up from Greenland or something uninvited? I'm getting the impression we read history books that said the exact opposite things.

    At any rate you lazily threw out "truth hurts" about this complicated situation as if there's one side truth is on and even if you personally define the "truth" as being set by a treaty or by recent habitation or whatever else, you're simply arbitrarily deciding something and the issue is clearly more involved than that lazy handwave. Much like when someone decides to go build a ski resort with automated lifts on a sacred Native prayer site which has been used since pre-history. If you define "truth" as "who holds the land deed" you have a very narrow viewpoint.
    Is it truthful that Jerusalem is NOT really a holy site for Islamics and Mecca is really their holy site? Hmmmmmmm

    I find it amusing that you defend native american rights because it was ancient history and how they done did things but for Jews that is not ok....what do you have against Jews? WTF over?

    What about Palestine where was that country again? Lets go back to the historical lines of the country of Palestine. Could you please show me those lines... Muslims even agree int heir own holy text that Jews should be in Israel.
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  16. #16
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Is it truthful that Jerusalem is NOT really a holy site for Islamics and Mecca is really their holy site? Hmmmmmmm
    No, it's not truthful. No matter what Israeli propagandists dig up in some old writing or obscure verse of the Quran it's patently obvious that Muslims do regard it as an important holy site. I have absolutely no reason to believe they all just make it up as a lie and irrationally stick to it in their priorities & values to annoy Israel.

    I find it amusing that you defend native american rights because it was ancient history and how they done did things but for Jews that is not ok....what do you have against Jews? WTF over?
    I find it amusing that you come into complicated historical issues where religion, culture, history, wars, and multiple waves of different people taking over the same land are involved and give some water cooler one liner and go "truth hurts."

    What about Palestine where was that country again? Lets go back to the historical lines of the country of Palestine. Could you please show me those lines... Muslims even agree int heir own holy text that Jews should be in Israel.
    Where was Israel prior to WWII? You've just made a really stupid argument.

  17. #17
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    No I haven't made a stupid argument. If you example is NA american rights to land which were done away with hundreds of years ago but you express outrage and are butt hurt over that 'stealing' of land then it is entirely the opposite of your own position to say that history doesn't matter in Israel and they didn't have an entire civilization right here where their country is well before the Muslim religion existed.

    You are trying to stand on both sides of the same argument depending on which group you wanna be upset about. Pick a moral or educated standing then apply it to you beliefs not the other way around.

    So was Israel there before the religion of Muslim existed? Was that a country or not?

    BTW I am just using that tact to argue your invalid point made earlier. I do not think Israel has undeniable rights to all of that land. But refuting a illogical argument I cannot resist.
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  18. #18
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    As I understand it, the Israeli settlement mania is ALSO inspired by their holy book - that says that the resurrection/second coming/ascension to heaven (whatever you want to call it) will only happen when all lands between such-an-such an area are united under the rule of the Jewish people (I'm paraphrasing obviously)

    It would certainly explain why in the rare cases land was granted BACK from Israeli control and settlers evicted e.g. in Gaza a few years ago, that Orthodox Jews chained themselves to the buildings and barricaded themselves inside against the bulldozers, and had to be dragged out in tears by their own military.

    That is an obvious fervent religious reaction, and it is the impetus behind incessant and neverending settlement building and land-grabs. They will never stop. Unless they are forced to.
    But those Jews are (arguably) following their holy book, while the Palestinians are (arguably) going against theirs.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  19. #19
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    No I haven't made a stupid argument. If you example is NA american rights to land which were done away with hundreds of years ago but you express outrage and are butt hurt over that 'stealing' of land then it is entirely the opposite of your own position to say that history doesn't matter in Israel and they didn't have an entire civilization right here where their country is well before the Muslim religion existed.

    You are trying to stand on both sides of the same argument depending on which group you wanna be upset about. Pick a moral or educated standing then apply it to you beliefs not the other way around.

    So was Israel there before the religion of Muslim existed? Was that a country or not?

    BTW I am just using that tact to argue your invalid point made earlier. I do not think Israel has undeniable rights to all of that land. But refuting a illogical argument I cannot resist.
    I'm not trying to use both sides of any argument. Israelis and Palestinians BOTH have claims to the territory. Only in your linear singleminded black and white thinking is that impossible and one side must have the "truth" and the other a false claim.

    Palestinians didn't show up on a boat from Greenland. Israel as a state was created artificially after WWII. So don't give me this gump about how one side has a "true" claim to the area over the other.

    I brought up Natives to illustrate that regardless of who lives on the land right now and holds a piece of paper saying he owns it there are traditions and historical claims that go back thousands upon thousands of years and it's stupid of you or anyone else to go "oh well deal with it where's the paper, truth hurts."
    Last edited by xbuzzerx; November 30th, 2012 at 05:09 PM.

  20. #20
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,239

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But those Jews are (arguably) following their holy book, while the Palestinians are (arguably) going against theirs.
    And you propose that following holy books therefore gives legitimacy in international law?

    NOW I see why you posted that vid - you seriously believe this is arbitration by Koran vs. Torah.

  21. #21
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm not trying to use both sides of any argument. Israelis and Palestinians BOTH have claims to the territory. Only in your linear singleminded black and white thinking is that impossible and one side must have the "truth" and the other a false claim.

    Palestinians didn't show up on a boat from Greenland. Israel as a state was created artificially after WWII. So don't give me this gump about how one side has a "true" claim to the area over the other.

    I brought up Natives to illustrate that regardless of who lives on the land right now and holds a piece of paper saying he owns it there are traditions and historical claims that go back thousands upon thousands of years and it's stupid of you or anyone else to go "oh well deal with it where's the paper, truth hurts."
    That is certainly a valid argument that i don't argue against. SO time for Q&A and checking comprehension.

    Does the Koran mention Palestine? Do Muslims pray towards Mecca? Does the Q'oran indicate Jews will return to Israel? Is not the Muslim version of a Jerusalem 'holy Site' simply a conquering people seeking to desecrate a infidel religion at their holiest of holy's?

    Doesnt the truth fucking hurt?
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  22. #22
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That is certainly a valid argument that i don't argue against. SO time for Q&A and checking comprehension.

    Does the Koran mention Palestine? Do Muslims pray towards Mecca? Does the Q'oran indicate Jews will return to Israel? Is not the Muslim version of a Jerusalem 'holy Site' simply a conquering people seeking to desecrate a infidel religion at their holiest of holy's?

    Doesnt the truth fucking hurt?
    As far as I'm concerned regarding holy books, we should vacate the whole friggin area and forbid anyone to live there since the end of the world starts with a beast in Bethlehem if I recall correctly lol.

  23. #23
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    I am good with the end of the world though... cuz I have my handgun...

    That seven years of tribulation.... lets get it on .....
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  24. #24

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    I liked the music. The violin part reminded me of the Schindler's List theme song which I love.



    The rest of the video ... just more one sided jabs. Pretty much a waste of time.

  25. #25
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    And you propose that following holy books therefore gives legitimacy in international law?

    NOW I see why you posted that vid - you seriously believe this is arbitration by Koran vs. Torah.
    What???

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  26. #26
    The Mother of Loki Laufey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Reykjavik, Iceland
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,749

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    If I were a Palestinian then I would surely take part in the justifiable actions against the occupants. It's ridiculous to call such actions terrorism.

  27. #27

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    It's a hard situation, but generally speaking Palestinians never really owned any of the land. They settled on Ottoman territories, interbreeding with both Egyptians and Jordanians. Palestinians only truly became an ethnic group seperatable from Jordanians when they started only intermarrying with each other when other Arab nations began to see them as inferior and trouble makers after their failed Coup on Jordan in the 60s.
    Either way, both groups have entitlment complexes and both groups are hated by the world and their Arab neighbors. If Palestinians and Israeli's both agreed to hate everyone else instead of eachother then life would be good.
    But that being said I've always favored a 1 state solution over a 2 state solution.

  28. #28
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,239

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    What???
    Well, when you reply to the fairly large post I made with simply the line....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But those Jews are (arguably) following their holy book, while the Palestinians are (arguably) going against theirs.
    ....it suggested to me you felt this comment was 'all that needed to be said' and it was 'case closed'....

    ....which I presumed to mean that you believe the Israel-Palestine conflict should be judged and considered in relation to what each side's religious texts say, with the Israelis following their texts deeming them automatically to be 'in the clear' and 'justified' in direct contrast to the Palestinians....

    ....which, if true, would then mean you believe anything related to the United Nations, international law, negotiation, and peacekeeping to all be beside the point - because the comparison of religious texts has already satisfactorally provided you with your answer.

    It also explains why you found the vid compelling - it had 'some things to say' in your words, presumably the religious quotations, that you feel are of some paramount importance in all of this.

    Relegating the entire argument to one of biblical literature is a bit nonsensical, but one that obviously appeals to you considering your enthusiasm and interest for the topic in a lot of your posts on J.U.B. so no surprise.
    Last edited by ChickenGuy; November 30th, 2012 at 08:17 PM.

  29. #29
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    If I were a Palestinian then I would surely take part in the justifiable actions against the occupants. It's ridiculous to call such actions terrorism.
    So you'd ignore your own holy book?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  30. #30
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Well, when you reply to the fairly large post I made with simply the line....



    ....it suggested to me you felt this comment was 'all that needed to be said' and it was 'case closed'....

    ....which I presumed to mean that you believe the Israel-Palestine conflict should be judged and considered in relation to what each side's religious texts say, with the Israelis following their texts deeming them automatically to be 'in the clear' and 'justified' in direct contrast to the Palestinians....

    ....which, if true, would then mean you believe anything related to the United Nations, international law, negotiation, and peacekeeping to all be beside the point - because the comparison of religious texts has already satisfactorally provided you with your answer.

    It also explains why you found the vid compelling - it had 'some things to say' in your words, presumably the religious quotations, that you feel are of some paramount importance in all of this.

    Relegating the entire argument to one of biblical literature is a bit nonsensical, but one that obviously appeals to you considering your enthusiasm and interest for the topic in a lot of your posts on J.U.B. so no surprise.
    You plainly didn't go back to review.

    Nothing you've said has anything to do with anything I've said -- it's wishful thinking, I'd say. It would be better to grapple with the actual question posed by the video:

    If the Qur'an says the land there belongs to Israel, what's with the Palestinians, who are fighting against their own holy book -- which is often used as justification for persecuting Jews?

    Put another way, doesn't this make the conflict one between people with integrity and one with none at all?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  31. #31
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenx55 View Post
    It's a hard situation, but generally speaking Palestinians never really owned any of the land. They settled on Ottoman territories, interbreeding with both Egyptians and Jordanians. Palestinians only truly became an ethnic group seperatable from Jordanians when they started only intermarrying with each other when other Arab nations began to see them as inferior and trouble makers after their failed Coup on Jordan in the 60s.
    Either way, both groups have entitlment complexes and both groups are hated by the world and their Arab neighbors. If Palestinians and Israeli's both agreed to hate everyone else instead of eachother then life would be good.
    But that being said I've always favored a 1 state solution over a 2 state solution.
    This is one of those distinctions though where you're weighing a political entity throwing up a flag with centuries of habitation and use. There are Turkic people all over Eurasia, all the way into China, who were initially nomadic migrants over a thousand years ago (it's wild you can see blond haired blue eyed people in China, yes it's true) and while they per se didn't show up with an empire and "take title" to the land necessarily no one says they have no right to be there after x centuries of living there.

  32. #32

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    No. No it's not, it's history. Furthermore Turks, Atalic, etc people from the Steppes from Asia are not blond and blue haired. They're dark and Asiatic looking.
    Furthermore to be exactly honest no one is entitled to land, no one has the right to own it or claim it. But regardless, Palestinians generally have no connection to the land and are migrants from other groups i.e Egyptians and Jordanians.
    Either way.... fundamentally speaking as Muslims their religion dictates that the Jews live in that Area. I have no idea how Arabs manage to forget that in their sermons.

  33. #33
    JUB Addict Sausy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    21,095
    Blog Entries
    2

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    I just wish Israel would quit with the home building and stop giving the Palestinians and the other rejectionists of Israel's existence a reason to look like perfectly innocent victims. As the presentation clearly showed, they're far from it but the right in Israel aren't making it easy to root for the Jewish cause, noble and justafiable as it may be.
    unofficial official mini meet Friday- Saturday April 11-12, 2014

  34. #34
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenx55 View Post
    No. No it's not, it's history. Furthermore Turks, Atalic, etc people from the Steppes from Asia are not blond and blue haired. They're dark and Asiatic looking.
    You're incorrect thinking they have a monolithic look. In general you are correct but if you wish to see for yourself go look at "ethnic minorities in China" on wikipedia. There are pictures of many of them and you will see what for all intents and purposes looks like white people running around in funny Turkish and Eurasiatic traditional attire.

    Furthermore to be exactly honest no one is entitled to land, no one has the right to own it or claim it. But regardless, Palestinians generally have no connection to the land and are migrants from other groups i.e Egyptians and Jordanians.
    Either way.... fundamentally speaking as Muslims their religion dictates that the Jews live in that Area. I have no idea how Arabs manage to forget that in their sermons.
    And how many people who are part of, or support, the state of Israel today actually lived there in 1944? How many of them had been Russians, Poles, Germans or whatever else for GENERATIONS prior to the creation of Israel?

  35. #35
    Sex God Mariatenebre's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Gender
    Transexual Female
    Orientation
    Straight
    Posts
    961

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I would think it was yet another cheap piece of pro-Jewish pro-Israeli propaganda, of the sort that attempts to portray Israel and Jews as above reproach and completely blameless in anything and everything they do. Complete bullshit.

    Kneeling for prayer is twisted into 'showing backside to the Dome of the Rock', kids playing ball outside is twisted into 'showiing disrespect for a holy site', historical facts from centuries and millennia ago are inferred to mean Palestinians have ZERO rights to ANY land.

    The outcome of it all is a continuation of illegal settlement building in the West Bank and Israel's refusal to pay any attention to the 1967 borders, all the while engaging in periodic blood-letting like when they carpet-bombed Lebanese families in 2006 and killed over 1,000 men, women, and children, then proceeded to do the same in the Gaza Strip a year or two later, all the time with the United States endorsing and condoning what they did and applauding from the background, while refusing EVERY attempt to hold them to account by the international community for their actions.

    And of course Israel wants you to forget about these atrocities they committed in the past. I DON'T.

    And funny, I think the same thing, whether I'm Muslim Palestinian, or atheist Brit.


    Over all Israel has been exceedingly nice to the Pallys even when they vehemently seek their destruction. Which as I have said before they do not have a right to this land. The only reasons the Arabs were there in the first place is because they took it from the Jews. Plus as I have mentioned before historically there never was a country called Palestine. This land was owned by many foreign nations such as the Ottomans and the Jordanians. It was only when they came under Jewish rule did they have a problem even though Arabs and Muslims live quite well in Israel.

    Next they are taking land from the Palestinians, land they used to own by the way because Palestine wishes to annihlate them. So they are rightfully taking what they need to secure themselves in this war.

    Personally I don't think you should be against the only free and secular nation in the Middle East and defend people who cut gay people's faces off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    If I were a Palestinian then I would surely take part in the justifiable actions against the occupants. It's ridiculous to call such actions terrorism.
    Except it is terrorism. The only reason the Israelis are occupying the area to begin with is because the Pallys have made it their goal to eradicate Israel. I love how you defend the brutal terrorist acts of the Pallys a people who would cut your face off if you were in Palestine.

    This video debunks some of the claims of the people who defend the people who cut gay people's faces off.


    Personally if I were a Palestinian I would move to Israel and seek citizenship there. Why would I side with people who would butcher me.
    Last edited by Mariatenebre; November 30th, 2012 at 10:43 PM.

  36. #36
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The point I got was that the Qur'an supposedly says all that land belongs to the Jews, because Allah said so. I'm not convinced just by the video, but it would make an interesting twist if Hamas and others are actually going against their holy book.
    I thought the video suggested that the Jews would return to their land, but it would be mixed, as in Jews and non-jews?

    As for Hamas, as with all radical muslims, they will seize upon any snippet within the Qu'ran that bolsters their crusade, regardless of anything else it may say in there also. Just like fundamental christians, the overall message counts for nothing so long as there is a line or two that they can use to say 'see'.

  37. #37

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    If I were an Israel Jew, or Palestinian Muslim or Christian, I would ignore the holy books. Religion has no place in settling international disputes, drawing borders or making peace. What matters is reaching a peaceful resolution so that everyone involved has a chance to live a peaceful and prosperous life.

    In Israel and the Palestinian lands, the more religious a political actor is, the bigger barrier to peace they are. This is the fundamental hypocrisy of religion. The closer one is to God, the bigger threat to life and peace one is in the Middle East.

    After WWII, many people were displaced and borders were redrawn. Jewish refugees from Europe fled to Palestine and established the State of Israel out of a portion of British ruled territory. Jordan was created in the other portion. Borders moved in Europe, too. Germany's land was reduced, with parts of it going to Poland and the Soviet Union. Millions of Germans were expelled from countries in Eastern Europe. Czechoslovakia lost territory to the Soviet Union.

    The same thing happened after WWI. Borders got redrawn, people were expelled or emigrated from their homelands. It is no more reasonable to expect the Israeli's to pick up and leave Israel than it is to expect Poland to give Silesia back to Germany or Russia to give back the Konigsburg back to Germany, or to expect Rumania to give Transylvania back to the Hungarians. What is needed in Israel is a practical solution that respects the rights of all parties involved.

  38. #38
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    If I were an Israel Jew, or Palestinian Muslim or Christian, I would ignore the holy books. Religion has no place in settling international disputes, drawing borders or making peace. What matters is reaching a peaceful resolution so that everyone involved has a chance to live a peaceful and prosperous life.

    In Israel and the Palestinian lands, the more religious a political actor is, the bigger barrier to peace they are. This is the fundamental hypocrisy of religion. The closer one is to God, the bigger threat to life and peace one is in the Middle East.

    After WWII, many people were displaced and borders were redrawn. Jewish refugees from Europe fled to Palestine and established the State of Israel out of a portion of British ruled territory. Jordan was created in the other portion. Borders moved in Europe, too. Germany's land was reduced, with parts of it going to Poland and the Soviet Union. Millions of Germans were expelled from countries in Eastern Europe. Czechoslovakia lost territory to the Soviet Union.

    The same thing happened after WWI. Borders got redrawn, people were expelled or emigrated from their homelands. It is no more reasonable to expect the Israeli's to pick up and leave Israel than it is to expect Poland to give Silesia back to Germany or Russia to give back the Konigsburg back to Germany, or to expect Rumania to give Transylvania back to the Hungarians. What is needed in Israel is a practical solution that respects the rights of all parties involved.
    Except that in this case, if both sides followed their holy books, there would be peace.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  39. #39
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Except that in this case, if both sides followed their holy books, there would be peace.
    Yup.

    People also tend to shrug at the issue and say there'll never be a resolution because they all hate each other but they overlook the huge centuries of history where Jews and Muslims coexisted in the area in tolerance prior to the forced creation of the state of Israel.

    In the medieval & premodern period in particular Jews were typically much worse treated in Europe than in Palestine.

  40. #40
    PerScientiam AdJustitiam bankside's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Beware the deepity.
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Married (to a man)
    Posts
    16,721
    Blog Entries
    2

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    That video is filled with dewy-eyed lament, but not the fullest measure of reason.

    We see Muslims turning their back on the Dome of the Rock during prayer, and we are meant to understand this lessens their claim on the Temple Mount. If that were the case, then surely Jews at prayer would be lessening their claim on West Jerusalem.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

  41. #41
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,585

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Except that in this case, if both sides followed their holy books, there would be peace.
    Except that there is no agreement in any religions what their holy books actually say and your opinion on the matter is no more authoritative than anyone else's.

    That is the basic problem with religion - being a religious person I know you disagree, but then you are one of the people who thinks his opinion is the correct one; and while I would love it if there was some empirical way to say religions wanted peace, history says otherwise, and yes that includes Christianity. Yes I know what your opinion on your religion is, and I would love to believe most Christians believed like you do, but they don't, and your opinion isn't universal no matter how much nicer that would make the planet.

    Religion is one of the MOST divisive forces on the planet, no matter what rosy poetry it's holy books contain.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  42. #42
    JUB Addict JohnnyAnger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    London
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    1,647
    Blog Entries
    1

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Can I just add that a very large number of Palestinian Arabs are Christians, don't be fooled into some weird hype that it is Jews vs Muslims.

  43. #43
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    That is a apt point Johnny... so please name the christian led governments and groups that are actively arming Palestinians to launch into Jewish territory? That is the issue. I agree the populations are quite diverse ... however they are 75% Muslim and one hundred percent supported by Muslim hate and terror groups.
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  44. #44
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That is a apt point Johnny... so please name the christian led governments and groups that are actively arming Palestinians to launch into Jewish territory? That is the issue. I agree the populations are quite diverse ... however they are 75% Muslim and one hundred percent supported by Muslim hate and terror groups.
    A nominally "Christian" nation arms and continues to arm Israel and support its first-rate, most likely secretly nuclear-armed military. Particularly from the POV of the Muslim world.

  45. #45
    The Mother of Loki Laufey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Reykjavik, Iceland
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,749

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Except that in this case, if both sides followed their holy books, there would be peace.
    Not really.

    The Koran allows Muslims to fight when their land is being invaded/occupied.

    9/11 does not fit that category. The Israel-Palestine conflict does.

  46. #46
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    Not really.

    The Koran allows Muslims to fight when their land is being invaded/occupied.

    9/11 does not fit that category. The Israel-Palestine conflict does.
    But the Qur'an apparently says that it isn't their land, that it belongs to the Jews.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  47. #47
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    103,973
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Except that in this case, if both sides followed their holy books, there would be peace.
    For this statement I got put on ignore by someone. Can anyone figure it out?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  48. #48
    CE&P Secret Police xbuzzerx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Posts
    10,752

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    For this statement I got put on ignore by someone. Can anyone figure it out?
    Err? How do you know? Did they tell you?

  49. #49
    Rambunctiously Pugnacious JayHawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    River Quay - KC
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    24,238

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    A nominally "Christian" nation arms and continues to arm Israel and support its first-rate, most likely secretly nuclear-armed military. Particularly from the POV of the Muslim world.
    Well of course we do... new weapons are just theories until tested.....
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


  50. #50
    The Mother of Loki Laufey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Reykjavik, Iceland
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,749

    Code of Conduct

    Re: If you were a Palestinian....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But the Qur'an apparently says that it isn't their land, that it belongs to the Jews.
    True but the land it refers to is smaller than the current size of Israel-Palestine.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | About JustUsBoys.com | Site Map | RSS | Webmasters | Advertise | Link to JUB | Report A Bug on this Page

Visit our sister sites: Broke Straight Boys | CollegeDudes.com | CollegeBoyPhysicals.com | RocketTube
All models appearing on JustUsBoys.com were over 18 at the time of photography. The records for sexually explicit images required by U.S. 2257 are kept by the
individual producers of the images. The location of the records is available by clicking the Custodian of Records link at the bottom of each gallery page.
© 2012 JustUsBoys.com. The JustUsBoys.com name and logo are registered trademarks. Labeled with ICRA and RTA. Member of ASACP and The Free Speech Coalition.