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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Obama did pretty decently even with the groups he didn't win out... like white voters and older voters. The republicans just didn't do well with any group. So chance isn't paying attention.
    Hey! I'm an old white guy, put me in the plus side.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    One persons landslide is another's
    Couple 3 % points

    Mitt had lunch with BO this week

    Must've been a torturous hour for both
    the President has a deficit team?

    I had no idea he had hired that many republicans into his administration... surely it isnt enough to make republican like deficits?



    Obama has actually reduced spending levels as a whole compared to Bush but he couldnt simply turn the tap off to two unfunded wars and revive a failed republican idea of an economy that took the whole world down...

    Have no fear though in his second term hopefully he will cast all republicans aside and stop spending in the red.

    Oh and for ignorant fucks who think the President should offer what he wants... you may thank Boehner and McConnell for demanding more when Obama brought realistic plans... so this time around Obama wants 1 trillion so he asks for 1.6 trillion... then says he is willing to cut 600 Billion... then says ... Republicans come up with an offer...

    Republican apologist on this forum swore up and down the republicans have plans and keep offering how to reduce... so where are the cuts they need to make? If they have been offering plans for four years then it should be easy to name some cuts they would make... yet they have detailed nothing.

    More partisan ignorant hyperbole from the right is all I see coming from you guys. Romney had no details either and look how well that worked for ya'll.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    I also would like to see what exactly SPECIFICALLY the Pubs are offering before listening to any whining from the mouthpieces for the right.

    They're basically just throwing YET ANOTHER toddler tantrum because they have to actually compromise or they get fucked right up the ass - and not in a fun gay kinda way.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I was wondering why nobody has made political hay out of the 3,000+ American kids who have died in Iraq
    for nothing.
    Because Benghazi was worse obviously.

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    U mean the war that many Dems -
    Including the majority in pres deficit's team supported ?

    Next false equivalence please
    You're right, it's not equivalent because Dems actually tried to increase security funding for embassies and Republicans blocked it and then used it as a trumped up manmade outrage when the sort of embassy attack that happened 6 times under Bush happened once under Obama.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Why all the whining from the left? All that could possibly happen is we get that tax rates back from those halcyon days when Clinton was president. So, let's do it and see just how prosperous higher taxes makes us! Or don't you really believe that?

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Why all the whining from the left? All that could possibly happen is we get that tax rates back from those halcyon days when Clinton was president. So, let's do it and see just how prosperous higher taxes makes us! Or don't you really believe that?
    What are you talking about? We all support the tax increases.

    It's the fact that Republicans are obstructing by saying "we won't come to the table on tax increases until there are cuts... but we won't say what cuts need to be made, you have to do that (so we can blame you for it.)"

    My guess is even after cuts are proposed they'll still obstruct it because what they're really against is the tax increases period. They do not and never cared about spending except when a Democratic President is in power. And they certainly don't want to be the ones to ante up and own what they think should be cut seeing how hard they got smacked for that with things like Bush's abortive get rid of social security attempt.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Obama will never be willing to cut spending. The Republicans will have to use their control of revenue, their ability to let the tax cuts expire, and their ability to limit the debt ceiling, to bring the deficit down.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    I believe it entirely... they should let them expire immediately. Both sides know we need revenue to pay for the two unpaid for wars and they just dont want to be the bearer of bad news to the American people...

    End of the day republicans get the blame for no deal for 98% of America and marginalize themselves even farther...

    What is next on the chopping block you might ask? Republicans fucking with the debt ceiling and flushing billions of American wealth down the toilet.

    Face it Jack the republican party is single handedly trying to destroy the US... if they cant have it then no one can.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Obama will never be willing to cut spending. The Republicans will have to use their control of revenue, their ability to let the tax cuts expire, and their ability to limit the debt ceiling, to bring the deficit down.
    He is willing. It's that Republicans are saying there's some magic, unknown type of cuts that have to be done before they'll stop obstructing the tax hikes on the rich. And they won't say what they are because they don't want to be accountable for cuts.

    Seems the sort of cuts Republicans have always said should/must be done in a vague unspecified sense aren't actually things you want to end up having to face the voters about at the end of the day.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    What are you talking about? We all support the tax increases.

    It's the fact that Republicans are obstructing by saying "we won't come to the table on tax increases until there are cuts... but we won't say what cuts need to be made, you have to do that (so we can blame you for it.)"

    My guess is even after cuts are proposed they'll still obstruct it because what they're really against is the tax increases period. They do not and never cared about spending except when a Democratic President is in power. And they certainly don't want to be the ones to ante up and own what they think should be cut seeing how hard they got smacked for that with things like Bush's abortive get rid of social security attempt.
    What obstruction? Do nothing and they simply happen. Let the bodies hit the floor! Along with the Odumbocare taxes which kick in next year, we'll be in a depression in no time flat. And it will all be the Dear Leader and his sidekicks's doing.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Keep thinking that Jack... your leadership is so cowardly they can not face their own constituency to tell them they have to raise taxes. Their main constituency being the top 2% of course.

    They will wait until the tax increase they voted into existence instead of making a deal. Republicans created this mess during the last congress that they ran because they could not figure out how to lead.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Heard this discussion on the Hugh Hewitt radio show yesterday with Senator Mich McConnell about the initial position taken by the President:

    HH: I think you are. I also think Secretary Geithner and the President must think youíre the Cleveland Indians, because only the Cleveland Indians would make this bad of a deal that theyíve offered you. I see in the news reports, $400 billion in unspecified entitlement cuts in exchange for $1.6 trillion in tax increases. Is that about right?

    MM: Yeah, Iím not even sure the $400 billion, I think, would come out of entitlements. You know, I did in fact laugh at him. I mean, it was, I wasnít trying to embarrass him. It was a spontaneous report to an absolutely absurd suggestion. Theyíve actually gone in the wrong direction over the last two weeks. $1.6 trillion dollars in tax increases, letís take a look at it. The top two rates that they talk about all the time will only get you about $800 billion over ten years. They got $800 billion on top of that.

    HH: Did he outline what other taxes he wants to raise?

    MM: Yeah, you know, itís all on the usual poll-tested, oil and gas, raise the estate tax, thereís hardly anything they missed. It is a massive, whopping punch right in the nose to the American economy. I canít imagine the Democrats would support it. I mean, Max Baucus, the chairman of the Finance Committee, is certainly not going to support the estate tax proposal, Mary Landrieu, the Democrats from Louisiana, is not going to support the gas tax. Neither is Mark Begich of Alaska, completely unserious, and here we are witnessing the President running around the country thinking the campaign is not over yet. And theyíre presenting laughable suggestions from the Secretary of the Treasury. He ought to be embarrassed to be asked to go up here and do something like that. Itís a serious blow to his credibility.

    HH: Do you think, Senator, that the President is actually interested in a deal? Or does he really want the Clinton tax rates back, and itís just to be able to blame you guys for having them imposed on the lowest brackets?
    Senator McConnell: "Pres. Obama can't get everything he wants. Those days are over."

    I mean is that really was the opening position the Democrats took I can see why the Republicans turned their nose up at it. I suspect though that it was just a case of putting your wish list on the floor as a starting point to real negotiations.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    He is willing. It's that Republicans are saying there's some magic, unknown type of cuts that have to be done before they'll stop obstructing the tax hikes on the rich. And they won't say what they are because they don't want to be accountable for cuts.

    Seems the sort of cuts Republicans have always said should/must be done in a vague unspecified sense aren't actually things you want to end up having to face the voters about at the end of the day.
    Bullshit. There are no cuts. Just more profligate spending.

    The fiscal plan presented by Geithner yesterday was modeled on Obama’s budget proposal from February and includes at least $50 billion in economic stimulus spending for this fiscal year, according to the aides, who asked for anonymity and weren’t authorized to speak publicly. It would permanently increase the U.S. debt limit to avoid the need for congressional action, said one of the aides.


    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloom...#ixzz2Dpruot00
    It should be noted that Odumbo's budget garnered not a single vote from anybody for the third consecutive year. Never mind passing in either house! He couldn't get anybody to support any of his piece of shit budgets!

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Keep thinking that Jack... your leadership is so cowardly they can not face their own constituency to tell them they have to raise taxes. Their main constituency being the top 2% of course.

    They will wait until the tax increase they voted into existence instead of making a deal. Republicans created this mess during the last congress that they ran because they could not figure out how to lead.
    Please stop lying. The bill extending the Bush tax rates passed in December 2010 when your assclown pals ran the ****** And Odumbo signed it. You own it. So stop bullshitting that it's somebody else's doing.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    This isn't about Obama budget ... but never mind sticking with the issue, this is about the largest tax increase in American history coupled with the largest cuts in budget and all of it authored by Republicans. ALL OF IT.

    Guess who wont be seeking reelection in 2016 but guess who will in 2014 and 2016? The majority of those re-thug-licans who have caused the greatest tax increase in American history.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Please stop lying. The bill extending the Bush tax rates passed in December 2008 when your assclown pals ran the ****** And Odumbo signed it. You own it. So stop bullshitting that it's somebody else's doing.
    Oh I know there was no threat of filibuster was there.... are you that dense?

    But I say go off the cliff... it will be the death knell for the republican party... they authored it
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    What obstruction? Do nothing and they simply happen. Let the bodies hit the floor! Along with the Odumbocare taxes which kick in next year, we'll be in a depression in no time flat. And it will all be the Dear Leader and his sidekicks's doing.
    So Jack since you're still possessed of the ghost of Reagonomics past, where was the economic boom from Bush's tax policies?

    Same place as the Iraq WMD?

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Think of it this way... the republicans tried to air a few balloons on keeping the tax rate for 98% but republicans prefer holding America hostage to actual governance.... the leadership really tried too they sent out the guy from Fucking Oklahoma... you know the definition of tea party red.... and the party cut him off at the knees. Republicans are now terrorist in our own government.


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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Bullshit. There are no cuts. Just more profligate spending
    You're a fortune teller now? I call bullshit.

    In fact I can't see any basis for anything you're saying other than "I'm a staunch Republican and I believe Democrats spend and tax like crazy."

    I don't take any doomsaying about profligate spending from someone who considers Obama the problem after 8 years of Bush seriously.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    This isn't about Obama budget ... but never mind sticking with the issue, this is about the largest tax increase in American history coupled with the largest cuts in budget and all of it authored by Republicans. ALL OF IT.

    Guess who wont be seeking reelection in 2016 but guess who will in 2014 and 2016? The majority of those re-thug-licans who have caused the greatest tax increase in American history.....

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    Oh I know there was no threat of filibuster was there.... are you that dense?

    But I say go off the cliff... it will be the death knell for the republican party... they authored it
    You cannot escape the fact that the democrats extended the hated Bush tax rates and that Odumbo signed them. How's your chance to shine! You'll get all the old Clinton rates, which lefties swear gave us prosperity. The "draconian" cuts are miniscule. $110,000,000,000. Our first month into this fiscal year, we borrowed $120,000,000,000 which Odumbo put on that Bank of China credit card he's so fond of.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You're a fortune teller now? I call bullshit.

    In fact I can't see any basis for anything you're saying other than "I'm a staunch Republican and I believe Democrats spend and tax like crazy."

    I don't take any doomsaying about profligate spending from someone who considers Obama the problem after 8 years of Bush seriously.

    So prove me wrong and cite for us all the specific cuts Odumbo has proposed. Not just vague generalities, but specific programs he's willing to cut. We'll be waiting patiently.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Well obviously in your anger you have obfuscated the true issue. 2008 might as well be ten million years ago (or rather nine million years before earth was formed according to your party)

    The true issue is a recalcitrant party that refuses to realize it lost and is refusing to execute on the deal THEY WROTE... you somehow seem stuck on the idea that Obama kept tax rates in 2008 even though you are well aware he wanted to raise it on the rich then but republicans indicated very vocally that they would filibuster and prevent anything from occurring.

    You fail to acknowledge that republicans voted 61 times to increase the debt ceiling to pay on China's credit card the wars started by republicans. Yet when it was time to do it for a Democratic admin the republicans decided to throw America and our wealth under the bus.

    You fail to recognize that the congress just about to finish is the worst in history for accomplishing anything because of the radical ideologues on the right. That to prevent the ultimate default on our debt and the destruction of the American economy the republicans worked out a deal that is about to occur.

    You are finally failing to realize the american people are not stupid and they KNOW republicans are responsible so besides their WHITE GUYS ONLY demographics the republicans now have the added infamous title of destructor of the American Economy....


    SO in the end they will never gain power again and America will recover.... so seeing that all you ideologues who prefer to stand in the blood of dead Americans rather than defend them will be powerless for the remainder of my life at least.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Hmmmmm

    The White House's Proposal Comes On Top Of $1.5 Trillion In Savings That Obama Has Already Signed Into Law. The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities has reported that laws Obama has signed have already "produced $1.5 trillion in savings" over ten years
    These reductions will shrink non-defense discretionary spending to its lowest level on record as a share of GDP, with data going back to 1962. [CBPP, 11/8/12]
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...n-white/191598

    All the material is from the NYT despite the mdia matters quote... feel free to have a read...

    If republicans want cuts then why aren't they stating what they want to cut?

    Point is we have already made cuts... time for republicans to pony up.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So Jack since you're still possessed of the ghost of Reagonomics past, where was the economic boom from Bush's tax policies?

    Same place as the Iraq WMD?
    Oh absolutely, let's have that discussion! Compared to Reagan? Let's take a look.

    These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

    During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfer...s-and-figures/

    Now go ahead and tell me how swell Odumbo's doing so far.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Oh absolutely, let's have that discussion! Compared to Reagan? Let's take a look.




    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfer...s-and-figures/

    Now go ahead and tell me how swell Odumbo's doing so far.
    Hey guess what Jackoroe.

    Reagan's upper income earners paid more in tax than today.

    Get a grip on reality.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Hmmmmm





    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...n-white/191598

    All the material is from the NYT despite the mdia matters quote... feel free to have a read...

    If republicans want cuts then why aren't they stating what they want to cut?

    Point is we have already made cuts... time for republicans to pony up.
    Nice try, but epic fail. The question stands. What specific cuts has Odumbo proposed in the current negotiations? Answer: None. In fact, he's proposed another $255,000,000,000 in spending on that Bank of China credit card.

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/articl...imulus-package

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Nice try, but epic fail. The question stands. What specific cuts has Odumbo proposed in the current negotiations? Answer: None. In fact, he's proposed another $255,000,000,000 in spending on that Bank of China credit card.

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/articl...imulus-package
    Guess what else Jackoroe. The Reagan model that you apparently regard as the bible of economic policy exploded the size and scope of Federal Government beyond any other President until George W Bush.

    You know, that thing you always say is a huge huge problem under Democrats?

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Hey guess what Jackoroe.

    Reagan's upper income earners paid more in tax than today.

    Get a grip on reality.
    Guess what, he reduced them from what they were under Carter, didn't he? That's reality.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Guess what else Jackoroe. The Reagan model that you apparently regard as the bible of economic policy exploded the size and scope of Federal Government beyond any other President until George W Bush.

    You know, that thing you always say is a huge huge problem under Democrats?
    This from an Odumbo supporter? You have no moral authority to criticize anybody for exploding the size and scope of government, my friend.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Guess what, he reduced them from what they were under Carter, didn't he? That's reality.
    Actually he reduced the rate but it was smoke and mirrors because he removed tax deductions and made it so the rich paid more effective taxes. Reality is knocking... let 'em in.
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    Face it Jack the democratic party is going to precide over yet ANOTHER economic boom in America and the republican terrorist are trying to prevent it yet again.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Why all the whining from the left? All that could possibly happen is we get that tax rates back from those halcyon days when Clinton was president. So, let's do it and see just how prosperous higher taxes makes us! Or don't you really believe that?
    This is a nice summary of Republican economic theory: let the deficit grow, so we can have "prosperity", which is a way of saying funnel more money to the rich.

    How about we go back to Reagan's tax rates? Use the highest level he had -- if they were good enough for the GOP 'saint', they must be good enough now.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    @ Saucy

    Ostensibly speaking, the GOP was a total budget hawk when GWB was in office for 8 years? I do agree that Obama is not really keen on cutting programs either outside of defense. As I said beforehand, there is absolutely no fucking reason that a regional tax collector should be collecting a $170k salary which is nearly as much as a senator makes a year.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Oh absolutely, let's have that discussion! Compared to Reagan? Let's take a look.




    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfer...s-and-figures/

    Now go ahead and tell me how swell Odumbo's doing so far.
    What this tells us is that we should return to the Reagan tax rates.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    Boehner said that there is too much spending

    I say there are too little taxes
    I say there is definitely a bit of both.

    Boehner said that Republicans were the only ones to 'protect the economy'

    Translation: We will continue to hold this country hostage over taxes on the Rich
    Agreed.

    Boehner said there is a 'debt crisis' yet voted 7 times to raise the debt ceiling when George Bush was president

    Translation: We are still using a debt situation as an excuse to hold America hostage to our extreme agenda
    Truth be told, I don't know how "extreme" their agenda is. Sure, they try to placate tea partiers with rhetoric, but I am not convinced that the GOP leadership is all that extreme, themselves. They just string them along for the money.

    Boehner said that Americans needs leadership, the GOP has been saying this since 2008 and Americans didn't choose republicans to lead America.
    This talk of "leadership" on the GOP's part has fallen on deaf ears with me. The major problem is with them. Basically, they are the ones that aren't cooperating on a majority of the matters and would rather point their finger at the President as if it's his fault. It isn't. So it's nothing more than spin ... and their rhetoric appeals to those that don't really understand how government functions ... those that think the President is responsible for everything that occurs in this country, making laws, etc. That is not how this government is set up, Mr. Boehner. Of course, you know that, though.


    Boehner said that congressional dems need to tell America what cuts they want to make: Dems have been saying for months that we need to cut military spending, subsidies to banks and student loan middle-men, medicare middle-men who just skim from the federal government.
    Ah, but we can't do that since the military industrial complex is in the pockets of the Republicans.


    I think Obama should start trying to get house GOP members to vote for a different speaker, that way the tea-partiers in DC can be ignored and double down on the perception that already exists, congressional republicans are the reason we are headed towards the 'cliff'. Republicans will be damaged far more by this fight.
    Again, I am not convinced Boehner is really all that "extreme" himself. How do we define "extreme" btw? The Republicans do it to the Left and paints all Liberals as "extreme". Pretty much exactly what Bill O'Reilly did for years when the Bush Administration was in office. He never referenced "the Left" ... rather everyone was put in the "Far Left" category. I see the Left doing the same thing to Conservatives.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a Fiscal Conservative.

    However, all Boehner is doing is playing politics, as usual. Tea Partiers hate him, fyi because they think he is "tool liberal".
    Telling it like it is.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    ^ Maybe the obstructionist record where the filibuster has been invoked more times than in all of U.S. history before this Presidential term?

    If that's not extreme what would be?

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Boehner is not extreme but he is cowtowed by the tea party as is the rest of the party... boehner doesnt really have control. No poster here is under the misconception that Boehner did not fully endorse the Oklahoma Representative floating the idea of tax cuts for the 98% right? That was Boehner testing the waters of his unknown constituency...

    Boehner rejects call to pass tax cuts now for those making less than $250,000

    Boehner got the Temperature of the water and said no... he is a follower and not a leader of any sort.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ^ Maybe the obstructionist record where the filibuster has been invoked more times than in all of U.S. history before this Presidential term?

    If that's not extreme what would be?
    That's not having "extreme" views. That is just playing stubborn politics.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    That's not having "extreme" views. That is just playing stubborn politics.
    I consider "the filibuster is there to stop anyone not of my party from passing anything" to be an extreme position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
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    It's not even clever - I'll be the first to admit I'll overlook a witty retort however petty, but that sounds like something a 4th grader came up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    @ Saucy

    Ostensibly speaking, the GOP was a total budget hawk when GWB was in office for 8 years? I do agree that Obama is not really keen on cutting programs either outside of defense. As I said beforehand, there is absolutely no fucking reason that a regional tax collector should be collecting a $170k salary which is nearly as much as a senator makes a year.
    Games hae been played for too long and there are no clean hands here GOP or Democrat. But someone has to lead and stop the eternal campaign....I don't want either the hard right or the progressives to control the agenda. Obama IS the President now, and he and the Democratic leadership are either not serious or dangerously self deluded... the GOP now is willling to go, by whatever means other than outright raising of rates to 1.6 trillion worth of revenue increases, much to the chagrin of many conservative hard liners. But they will not deal, NOR should they, on a vague promise we'll get to serious spending cuts and maybe entitlement reform next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Games hae been played for too long and there are no clean hands here GOP or Democrat. But someone has to lead and stop the eternal campaign....I don't want either the hard right or the progressives to control the agenda. Obama IS the President now, and he and the Democratic leadership are either not serious or dangerously self deluded... the GOP now is willling to go, by whatever means other than outright raising of rates to 1.6 trillion worth of revenue increases, much to the chagrin of many conservative hard liners. But they will not deal, NOR should they, on a vague promise we'll get to serious spending cuts and maybe entitlement reform next year.
    I have absolutely no idea how anyone rational looks at what's going on and says the GOP is ready to bargain, the Dems are refusing to compromise.

    Seriously, that's the 180 opposite of reality. At least everywhere outside of the Fox newsroom.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    The GOP leadership is willing to go where?

    Please point us all to an actual Republican plan WHICH HAS SPECIFICS.

    We're all waiting.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    this thread is a piece of shit

    same as bipartisanship in washington

    last i looked the democratic party did not have a budget

    pres. obama, nancy pelosi and harry reid have no real interest in curbing spending

    the 3 of them couldn't manage my checkbook

    they're spenders - it's what they do

    taxes on the "rich" gets us a week

    so many things off the table ..........

    the mouthpieces of the dem. party - obama and pearlie may and word is out - haven't a clue

    what about economic growth ?

    charging people more is not a plan

    paul ryan created a budget plan

    that makes him brave and unique

    i don't see ANYONE on the dem side that has any guts at all

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks



    Paul Ryan didn't have a budget, he had a fantasy. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY!!!

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post


    Paul Ryan didn't have a budget, he had a fantasy. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY!!!

    (ten points to the guy who get's that reference)
    Don't forget the 2 trillion in Romney's plan for "wait, what is it for?" the military budget above what the Pentagon asked for.

    So much for a plan that curbs spending.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    That's not having "extreme" views. That is just playing stubborn politics.
    And acting like a four-year-old.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You just keep saying "there's two sides" and we're asking you to point out how Obama's administration is being unreasonable or refusing to listen to Republicans.

    you just keep on like a broken record saying "you gotta look at the other side." WHAT other side? The side that defines compromise as "well, when you propose something that reflects that we're the party in power and is essentially all the things we want, we'll come to the table, until then no no no?"
    Not that I like defending Jack, but this first offer by the administration was not a good way to start off. It varied hugely from what Obama had been discussing in the campaign, so its not shocking that the Republicans balked. The inclusion of a request to give the president unilateral power to raise the debt ceiling should have told anyone this wasn't a serious offer from the start. (not even the democrats would approve that)

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    This isn't about Obama budget ... but never mind sticking with the issue, this is about the largest tax increase in American history coupled with the largest cuts in budget and all of it authored by Republicans. ALL OF IT.
    Actually, that last part has been disproven. Sequestration (those big nasty cuts) were written by the white house.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82772.html

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I have absolutely no idea how anyone rational looks at what's going on and says the GOP is ready to bargain, the Dems are refusing to compromise.

    Seriously, that's the 180 opposite of reality. At least everywhere outside of the Fox newsroom.
    All you need to do is to look at the president's proposal to see that he hasn't put forth a serious proposal yet. Hell, democrats ran as fast as they could so they didn't have to defend it.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Not that I like defending Jack, but this first offer by the administration was not a good way to start off. It varied hugely from what Obama had been discussing in the campaign, so its not shocking that the Republicans balked. The inclusion of a request to give the president unilateral power to raise the debt ceiling should have told anyone this wasn't a serious offer from the start. (not even the democrats would approve that)
    Don't conflate "it was a high initial bargaining point" with "completely unwilling to compromise."

    The only accurate direction to throw that accusation is at the Republicans in Congress for the last 4 years.

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