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    Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Boehner said that there is too much spending

    I say there are too little taxes

    Boehner said that Republicans were the only ones to 'protect the economy'

    Translation: We will continue to hold this country hostage over taxes on the Rich

    Boehner said there is a 'debt crisis' yet voted 7 times to raise the debt ceiling when George Bush was president

    Translation: We are still using a debt situation as an excuse to hold America hostage to our extreme agenda

    Boehner said that Americans needs leadership, the GOP has been saying this since 2008 and Americans didn't choose republicans to lead America.

    Boehner said that congressional dems need to tell America what cuts they want to make: Dems have been saying for months that we need to cut military spending, subsidies to banks and student loan middle-men, medicare middle-men who just skim from the federal government.

    Boehner said he would do anything he could to avert spending cuts and tax hikes, but simultaneously walked away from the notion that he is trying to hold the middle class hostage again. Hes bluffing because he wont be able to deliver enough house republicans to pass the budget Americans want.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...4#.ULhx9WewX5M

    I think Obama should start trying to get house GOP members to vote for a different speaker, that way the tea-partiers in DC can be ignored and double down on the perception that already exists, congressional republicans are the reason we are headed towards the 'cliff'. Republicans will be damaged far more by this fight.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    During the Bush/Cheney years when the GOP controlled both houses of congress how many spending bills did Bush veto from from 2001-06? They found time to cut taxes on the rich and were led to war by lies. The boner speaks with fork tongue.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Bear in mind that strategically, the Republicans are hoping that the tax cuts now expire, because it frees all of them from their pact with the devil Norquist. They can continue to make lots of noise and playing politics, knowing full well that the 'fiscal cliff' crisis is actually quite meaningless.

    But it looks like the GOP has done exactly what many of us expected. They are hunkering down and only intensifying their obstructionism. They have all taken on board that they just aren't conservative enough.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Listen to yourselves. Bush had deficits and the debt ceiling was raised, so we can never, ever, ever, ever, limit spending and debt. I have some debt on my credit cards already, so I am entitled to spend, spend, spend with not thought for tomorrow.
    The Republicans are the adults on the room, trying to return some fiscal sanity before we destroy our currency and our credit. The best thing is for the the Bush tax cuts to expire, to broaden the tax base, and provide a basis for reducing the deficit. Remember, when the tax cuts occurred, the Democrats said that they only benefited the rich, while giving only a pittance to the middle class. It is time to reverse them, take the pittance from the middle class, and take the benefit from the rich.
    It may cause a return of the recession, but in the long run, it is the best thing for the economy and our democracy. You cannot have a successful economy or democracy where a majority of voters are exempt from the taxes they are voting for.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Remember the only time in the last 25 years when we didn't have a budget deficit? Under Bill Clinton with higher taxes for the wealthy (which still allowed them to make an extremely high profit on their investments). I agree that at some point, we need to reign in spending, reform Medicare (because Social Security is solvent) and figure out the role of government but now is not the time. Now is the time to nurse our economy back to health, begin paying down the deficit and ensuring that we actually have a government that governs. We can't allow this kind of hostage taking, especially when 65% of Americans believe in increasing taxes at the higher incomes until such time as the deficit is paid down.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    ^^^

    Clinton worked with Gingrich. Both knew they had to work together to get things done -- which they did.

    Obama is not even close with the people in his own party in Congress.

    Obama is no Clinton.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    You can't work with an opposition that says "my only goal is to sabotage you". It just doesn't happen.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You can't work with an opposition that says "my only goal is to sabotage you". It just doesn't happen.
    Sometime your success depends upon finding ways to work with the opposition. The situation is quite common in corporate business environments.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    All too expected. The voters kept too many of the Tea Party vandals in office.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Sometime your success depends upon finding ways to work with the opposition. The situation is quite common in corporate business environments.
    This is naive and fundamentally fails to understand the difference between Republicans working with Clinton on things like welfare reform vs. holding him hostage as a form of obstructionism.

    Jack's a lost cause insofar as implying there's been critical failure on Obama's end to try to reach across the aisle, listen to Republicans, get their ideas or incorporate their demands or edits on policies he tries to pass. He has done all of the above, abundantly, with absolutely zero good-faith move on the part of the GOP even to agree to pass bills after he incorporated many of their demands. See the health care debate.

    And why have they done that? It's not because of any grand conviction about debt or spending, none of which any of these Republicans had any legitimate issue with under Bush. It's because the issue at hand is tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which strikes to the deepest core of what the GOP really stands for and defends despite all its rhetoric about smalltown America and heart of America and small businesses.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    Clinton worked with Gingrich. Both knew they had to work together to get things done -- which they did.

    Obama is not even close with the people in his own party in Congress.

    Obama is no Clinton.

    This would be the same Gingrich who basically shut down government and tried to ham string the executive branch at every turn?

    You think that Obam is no Clinton?

    Well we all know that Boner is certainly no Gingrich.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Jack, can you make a solid case for ONE occasion where the GOP has reached across the isle with something not completely outrageous, and Obama has just dug his heels? And by solid case, I mean one supported by credible sources?

    I know you can't, but just as an FYI, I'd be impressed if you did.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This would be the same Gingrich who basically shut down government and tried to ham string the executive branch at every turn?

    You think that Obam is no Clinton?

    Well we all know that Boner is certainly no Gingrich.
    Boehner has all Gingrich's ego and stubborn aspects, with none of the charm and wiliness.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Jack, can you make a solid case for ONE occasion where the GOP has reached across the isle with something not completely outrageous, and Obama has just dug his heels? And by solid case, I mean one supported by credible sources?

    I know you can't, but just as an FYI, I'd be impressed if you did.
    "Speaker Alert" and other such bulletins don't count -- they're nothing but political spin aimed to stir up the blind followers.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    I honestly think this is great news. The voters already showed republicans who they hold to blame for government inaction. I think tax rates need to rise. The cliff does that and ensures any vestige of support among moderates in America is shattered by this republican party and their inability to offer WHAT cuts they would propose. They keep saying cuts and offer nothing. In other words ALL talk. They believed their own rhetoric last time and sought to harm the American people with the debt ceiling and by being a protectorate for the rich. That cost them plenty of votes. I will go on the JUB record here and predict once republicans push us off the cliff and then damage us further by balking on the debt ceiling... they then will be utterly crushed in 2014.

    It will be remarkable to see republican ineptitude give power to the last two years of a presidency for the first time in Modern history.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Yeah this whole "if you want us to vote for anything you'll have to make cuts... but we're not going to say what to cut, you have to decide that (so we can blame you for those cuts later) and get back to us" is total f'ing cowardice by the GOP.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You can't work with an opposition that says "my only goal is to sabotage you". It just doesn't happen.
    It works both ways. You're missing the point. There has to be cooperation on both sides.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It works both ways. You're missing the point. There has to be cooperation on both sides.
    you're implying an equal and opposite lack of cooperation from the dems that doesn't exist.

    I mean, you're just saying something that isn't true. It's as simple as that and there isn't much more to say.

    Care to name one bill Obama and his administration didn't either bench or heavily incorporate GOP demands into?

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This would be the same Gingrich who basically shut down government and tried to ham string the executive branch at every turn?

    You think that Obam is no Clinton?

    Well we all know that Boner is certainly no Gingrich.
    If you just want to look at one side, things will certainly not change.

    The shutdown in the 90's was not totally the fault of Gingrich.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    you're implying an equal and opposite lack of cooperation from the dems that doesn't exist.

    I mean, you're just saying something that isn't true. It's as simple as that and there isn't much more to say.

    Care to name one bill Obama and his administration didn't either bench or heavily incorporate GOP demands into?
    Cantor earlier this week put new taxes on the table. It was an invitation to talk.

    Look what Obama offered -- a trillion in new taxes, more stimulus, and cuts in the future -- we all know what cuts in the future mean -- we're going through a promise of that right now.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you just want to look at one side, things will certainly not change.

    The shutdown in the 90's was not totally the fault of Gingrich.
    You just keep saying "there's two sides" and we're asking you to point out how Obama's administration is being unreasonable or refusing to listen to Republicans.

    you just keep on like a broken record saying "you gotta look at the other side." WHAT other side? The side that defines compromise as "well, when you propose something that reflects that we're the party in power and is essentially all the things we want, we'll come to the table, until then no no no?"

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Cantor earlier this week put new taxes on the table. It was an invitation to talk.

    Look what Obama offered -- a trillion in new taxes, more stimulus, and cuts in the future -- we all know what cuts in the future mean -- we're going through a promise of that right now.
    That's meaninglessly vague. Cuts to the future in an actual bill always take the form of rollbacks "by the year x." Because you can't just go "okay we're defunding hot school lunches starting tomorrow, stop all the trucks."

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    "Speaker Alert" and other such bulletins don't count -- they're nothing but political spin aimed to stir up the blind followers.
    Honestly, I don't even require sources that survive deep scrutiny. There are members here whose very manner of speaking shows they have studied the subject and are informed enough. They use facts, refer to specific people and details, and you know they're not repeating somebody's talking points. I would give anyone who spoke like that a big throbbing benefit of the doubt if they were defending positions different from mine, but Jack has never come within sight of such an authority. All he does is shoot tired blanks, vague generalized accusations that have no weight, no information or fact behind them.

    It's a dare, Jack. Can you?
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It works both ways. You're missing the point. There has to be cooperation on both sides.
    There are VOLUMES of examples of Obama trying to reach across the isle in the first three years of his presidency. They spat in his face, and you can't provide a single concrete proof of the opposite. I miss no points, because there are no points to miss here. Obama turned right of center to accommodate the douchebags, and he got nosethumbed for it.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The Republicans are the adults on the room, trying to return some fiscal sanity before we destroy our currency and our credit. The best thing is for the the Bush tax cuts to expire, to broaden the tax base, and provide a basis for reducing the deficit. Remember, when the tax cuts occurred, the Democrats said that they only benefited the rich, while giving only a pittance to the middle class. It is time to reverse them, take the pittance from the middle class, and take the benefit from the rich.
    Malarkey. The republicans are behaving like children and refusing to admit to reality. They want everything for themselves even though they had their asses handed to them on election day. The American people already said no to them, and now they need to compromise more than the democrats should. The American people agreed with the democrats on how to control the deficit, something that was out of control under Bush and even more out of control when the economy declined (with declining tax receipts). Pay attention.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    you just keep on like a broken record saying "you gotta look at the other side." WHAT other side? The side that defines compromise as "well, when you propose something that reflects that we're the party in power and is essentially all the things we want, we'll come to the table, until then no no no?"
    There is often two sides to many things, but not this. You are definitely correct. There is no other side. There is the correct way of doing things as Obama wants to do, and an incorrect way of doing things that will lead to more deficits and tax cuts for the rich (what the republicans want). The republicans don't care about the American people... they want to put them through more suffering so they can gain in the 2014 midterm elections. They'll fail miserably.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    There are VOLUMES of examples of Obama trying to reach across the isle in the first three years of his presidency. They spat in his face, and you can't provide a single concrete proof of the opposite. I miss no points, because there are no points to miss here. Obama turned right of center to accommodate the douchebags, and he got nosethumbed for it.
    It appears you don't follow news.

    It's not really worth my time to try to converse with someone who doesn't have a full grasp of currents events and solely wants to put forth a partisan stance on every issue. I'm sorry you continue to follow this path.

    You can read about the compromises that were made by Boehner, Obama and others that got us in this mess here.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/01/news...deal/index.htm

    If the Senate would have passed a responsible budget during the last several years we probably would not have been in this mess.

    I'm not saying that Boehner and republicans are blameless -- but it takes two to tango .... tangoing alone just makes you look like a fool.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It appears you don't follow news.
    The Fox-talker..

    It's not really worth my time to try to converse with someone who doesn't have a full grasp of currents events and solely wants to put forth a partisan stance on every issue.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

    If the Senate would have passed a responsible budget during the last several years we probably would not have been in this mess.
    By this of course you can only possibly be referring to a budget that didn't raise taxes on the wealthiest 1-5% to pay for two enormous wars and enormous bailout packages to private industries and the banks that Bush signed?

    Because the sole way we were going to get any budget through was by not actually addressing any of those problems as the GOP was filibustering any mention of the tax increases.
    Last edited by xbuzzerx; November 30th, 2012 at 03:33 PM.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If the Senate would have passed a responsible budget during the last several years we probably would not have been in this mess.
    Oh really? And we're trying to blame the Senate here? Is this for real? The blame falls squarely on republicans, who are to blame for a majority of this mess. From Obama's predecesser to the screwed up political games they played in the House where they didn't present a single decent budget. Sometimes a bit of consistency is welcomed.

    Yes, it takes two to tango, but there is really only one side here... and the republicans have spent two years trying to put this country in the gutter in order to win the election and to blame everything on Obama.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Jack - have a good weekend

    Trying to reason with the never in doubt crowd is pointless

    Defending Obama as a collaborative sort and blaming Repubs solely for ineffective govt is not the basis for reasonable discussion

    And doesn't jive with facts

    Read Bob Woodward

    Listen or read to Jon meachem

    Watch Morning Joe

    Obama sucks as an aisle crosser

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Jack - have a good weekend

    Trying to reason with the never in doubt crowd is pointless

    Defending Obama as a collaborative sort and blaming Repubs solely for ineffective govt is not the basis for reasonable discussion

    And doesn't jive with facts

    Read Bob Woodward

    Listen or read to Jon meachem

    Watch Morning Joe

    Obama sucks as an aisle crosser

    Happy Holidays
    ^ Obama's done everything short of having the secret service pull guns on the Republican members of Congress, so clearly he hasn't done enough to try to make compromise happen and we're just defending his failure.

    In Republican world if we say no to everything no matter what it is, obviously you just didn't try hard enough. Your fault. Blame yourself.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Is he still bringing up the Bob Woodward nonsense? That's been done with and over with... it's like beating a dead horse. Republicans are at fault for most of what is wrong right now with this process. Republicans are still trying to play stubborn after they got their asses handed to them on November 6th.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You can read about the compromises that were made by Boehner, Obama and others that got us in this mess here.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/01/news...deal/index.htm
    That's not an account of compromise, that's an account of dealing with an ambush by brigands.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Jack - have a good weekend

    Trying to reason with the never in doubt crowd is pointless

    Defending Obama as a collaborative sort and blaming Repubs solely for ineffective govt is not the basis for reasonable discussion

    And doesn't jive with facts

    Read Bob Woodward

    Listen or read to Jon meachem

    Watch Morning Joe

    Obama sucks as an aisle crosser

    Happy Holidays
    I'm heading out in the morning -- gone for 2 days. It will be a welcome reprieve from some of the BS here.

    Have a great time Chance.

    I am so happy I don't live in the MediaMatters or the Daily Kos world --- negatively all the time.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    YAY... apparently both the guys who have no argument except your are a part of the other team... are gone for the weekend... so we can argue amongst our selves and maybe gain some knowledge.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I am so happy I don't live in the MediaMatters or the Daily Kos world --- negatively all the time.
    Just the Faux News one... where republicans make up math to make themselves feel better.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Better to be aware of facts and call those who deny them on it and be called negative than to live in "if we pretend things are the way we wish they were, maybe the world will leave us alone" land.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Better to be aware of facts and call those who deny them on it and be called negative than to live in "if we pretend things are the way we wish they were, maybe the world will leave us alone" land.
    He said Obama only won because of Latinos, blacks and women so... I wonder what the strategy is to get rid of all of those before the next election.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    He said Obama only won because of Latinos, blacks and women so... I wonder what the strategy is to get rid of all of those before the next election.
    Obama did pretty decently even with the groups he didn't win out... like white voters and older voters. The republicans just didn't do well with any group. So chance isn't paying attention.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    It's always been my understanding that as a matter of national policy, we don't negotiate with terrorists/hostage-takers.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    It's always been my understanding that as a matter of national policy, we don't negotiate with terrorists/hostage-takers.
    Given the admin's inability to recognize terrorism in Benghazi recently

    So policy is just 1/2 the battle

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    I was wondering how long it would take to introduce Benghazi into this thread.

    We should make it a CE+P drinking game.

    The equivalent of Godwin's law.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    Clinton worked with Gingrich. Both knew they had to work together to get things done -- which they did.

    Obama is not even close with the people in his own party in Congress.

    Obama is no Clinton.
    Gingrich was censured by the House of Representatives. For the Boner, we can always hope.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I was wondering how long it would take to introduce Benghazi into this thread.

    We should make it a CE+P drinking game.

    The equivalent of Godwin's law.
    I was wondering why nobody has made political hay out of the 3,000+ American kids who have died in Iraq
    for nothing.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Given the admin's inability to recognize terrorism in Benghazi recently

    So policy is just 1/2 the battle
    U sound like Mitt 'Lost by a landslide' Romney
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I was wondering how long it would take to introduce Benghazi into this thread.

    We should make it a CE+P drinking game.

    The equivalent of Godwin's law.

    Chris's terrorism silliness provided a natural and in context opportunity

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I was wondering why nobody has made political hay out of the 3,000+ American kids who have died in Iraq
    for nothing.
    U mean the war that many Dems -
    Including the majority in pres deficit's team supported ?

    Next false equivalence please

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    U sound like Mitt 'Lost by a landslide' Romney
    One persons landslide is another's
    Couple 3 % points

    Mitt had lunch with BO this week

    Must've been a torturous hour for both

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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    The president's own proposal is a non starter. You give us the revenue...we'll talk next year maybe about specific cuts. He then proposes more spending. Boehner and many Republicans would do 1.6 trillion in revenues...Obama and Dems are the ones being obstinate on how you go about it. Barack Obama is an unserious president on the budget...make the GOP alone look like the bad guys when he's the one who should be taking leadership in this and cementing a great legacy of true bipartisanship. His idea of bipartisanship was to peel whatever moderates remained with foggy but "bipartisan" sounding promises.... doesn't really ever engage or talk to anyone seriously he disagrees with.... so he expects the Republicans to come all his way while saying "we'll talk later about the rest?" Fuck him and the Democrats.
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    Re: Hostage Taker Boehner: Im Walking Away from compromise, throws cold water over budget talks

    Better yet

    He'll give Reid and Pelosi free reign to work out the deets

    Sorta stimulus shit show redux

    I heard the presidents 15 foot jump shot is getting better though

    For the MTV Rock jock and Pres game

    Oh I have to govern now ? . But I don't like it

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