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    Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Earlier on Capitol Hill, Susan Rice was questioned by the three stooges who wanted 'answers' about the statements she made about Benghazi.

    Republican Senators Ayotte, McCain and Graham all had a closed door meeting with the director of the CIA and Ambassador Rice, which is in of itself highly unusual.

    It seems this is a desperate Ploy by the GOP to remain relevant in the Senate, when the Democrats caucus next year they will have 55 votes to republicans 45, so invoking a nuclear option to change the filibuster when the senate meets next year is a strong possibility.

    If that happens, the GOP will remain powerless to stop any appointment the President wants to make to any position, including the supreme court.

    Its fairly clear that the GOP is trying to grandstand as much as possible to derail the Democrats from accomplishing anything for the American people.

    Some things never change.


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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...

    I'm sure by now that the GOP is only focussed on obstruction with the fantasy of the mid term elections restoring some shine to their tarnished brand.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    I honestly hope they do obstruct. the majority of the American people see that obstruction and reject obstinate children in higher office. So I hope they do obstruct as much as possible and hopefully they will utterly destroy their party in 2014.
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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...

    I'm sure by now that the GOP is only focussed on obstruction with the fantasy of the mid term elections restoring some shine to their tarnished brand.
    That's the same kind of thinking they used going into the Presidential election... at this point I project they'll lose the House. The democrats are within striking distance in the House.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    The democrats won't change the rules on filibuster. Reid is smarter than that.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    What another thread on Susan rice ?

    Oh wait is there a link ?

    Oops

    Just more partisan whining by the victors

    How unusual

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Awhhh they are so cute when they are young a naive....... this thread is about the filibuster. You see the senate has rules which are meant to prevent a majority party from trumping the rights of the minority party. Meant to be used in extreme cases. Not meant to block everything a ruling party attempts to do including things like judicial appointments. It is being used as an official temper tantrum. Wait you should be quite familiar with throwing a fit.
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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Here... some reading for those of you ignorant enough to believe this is a Susan Rice Thread....

    It is from Salon so if you need help with the big words just PM me ....mmmmkay?

    1. It’s (probably) unconstitutional:
    2. It’s super undemocratic:
    3. It’s ruined the Senate:
    4. And it will bring down the other two branches along with it:
    5. We don’t need more checks and balances:
    bring this ridiculous shit to an end NOW.
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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    So quick on the trigger

    After effects ?

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Well since the beginning of the Congress it has been used sparingly then i suppose not many. The only congress that made it their sworn duty to prevent the administration and ruling party from actually governing was over the last four years. Yet it would appear that sort of undermining our government is a republican policy.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Another thread on Rice.

    When will it end? There are more important things than this woman - why are we dwelling on this when the lady has not even been nominated?

    ... anyway, I read that Al Gore is a new candidate for SOS.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another thread on Rice.

    When will it end? There are more important things than this woman - why are we dwelling on this when the lady has not even been nominated?

    ... anyway, I read that Al Gore is a new candidate for SOS.
    Oh, is THAT why you start threads over Obama being called a "savior" by comedians?
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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Hey Jack...


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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Lol - the irony lost on the lemmings is that they moaned (not in a good way)

    Long and loud about Susan

    And here they are .......

    Never mind

    And I do looooove threads started w-o a link

    Brilliant (think Guinness commercial)

    Filibusters - Seems like u should have to be there and do something special to stop the wheels right ?

    Mr. Smith Goes To Washington and all that

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh, is THAT why you start threads over Obama being called a "savior" by comedians?
    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Hey Jack...

    lmao.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Here... some reading for those of you ignorant enough to believe this is a Susan Rice Thread....



    It is from Salon so if you need help with the big words just PM me ....mmmmkay?



    bring this ridiculous shit to an end NOW.
    Yup, the filibuster was intended to protract senatorial debate and airtime on important issues which deeply divided the interests of the nation so that the majority could not simply rubber stamp bill passage over the majority.

    It was never intended, nor in the past was it ever used, as a tool for pure obstructionism because "my party isn't the one in power." That is completely singular to the Republicans since losing control of the Senate under the last President.

    One of the suggestions I heard sometime near the end of Bush's second term was to drop the number of votes needed to pass by 2 per week of debate, so that the filibuster can still be used but it cannot be used as an indefinite roadblock. The intent of the filibuster was to give proper debate time for votes to change on a really important issue-- not to block an issue forever, and certainly not out of partisan spite.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh, is THAT why you start threads over Obama being called a "savior" by comedians?
    You're so funny.

    Do you ever watch The Big Bang Theory on TV? The character Sheldon also has trouble understanding satire . . . .

    et tu

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're so funny.

    Do you ever watch The Big Bang Theory on TV? The character Sheldon also has trouble understanding satire . . . .

    et tu
    Oh so now after you were laughed out of the thread it was all just a big joke? After you accused us all of having Obama shrines in our homes and challenged us to admit it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    You're so funny.

    Do you ever watch The Big Bang Theory on TV? The character Sheldon also has trouble understanding satire . . . .

    et tu
    If your idea of satire is "be absolutely serious ultil everyone makes a laughing stock out of you, and then claim you were being satirical all along", then yes, I - just like Sheldon - have difficulty picking up on it.

    Come on, Jack You're not good enough to fool us like this. There's no difference in tone between this topic and any other you post.
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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

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    Oh so now after you were laughed out of the thread it was all just a big joke? After you accused us all of having Obama shrines in our homes and challenged us to admit it?
    What are you talking about?

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Somebody's trollin.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're so funny.

    Do you ever watch The Big Bang Theory on TV? The character Sheldon also has trouble understanding satire . . . .

    et tu
    I've noted several times that he is actually autistic and if you remove the laugh tracks, the show becomes quite sad. In particular, the ball pit scene was a prime example of that. But that is off topic.

    I would love to see the senate go back to the original intention of the filibuster.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    The original intent where the idiots had to actually stall the work of congress... which makes news versus having to simply insinuate via an email you will filibuster so they don't waste three days of precious legislative time trying something that is already threatened...

    No I say make it an issue every fucking time so the idiots and there idiotic arguments can be sounding repudiated by the media and the American people.
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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Yes, a filibuster is, by definition, obstructionism. Granted, in the past, it often had some positive influence, but like most things in politics, there is a natural ebb and flow... and record setting motions filed is an indication we are well past being out of whack on this one. The one thing costing this nation most right now is a lack of action... largely any action... and any measures that allow individuals to easily obstruct now is highly destructive. The rules desperately need to be changed. The GOP has to be held accountable for their obstructionism... we've had an election... before and after, Americans blame the GOP more for the deadlock... and they have to have their feet held to the fire. At the very least... they have to stand there... be subject to the camera...news programs, The Daily Show, online blogs, etc... they can't be allowed to weasel out of their obligation behind closed doors. They have to be forced to make a decision: work for the American people or destroy your own party.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    JH, your Salon article shows a shocking misunderstanding of the US and the way it's supposed to work. There's nothing "super undemocratic" about the Senate; each state is represented equally, as it should be. Claiming that a citizen in one state is less represented than one in another just isn't so: each gets one vote within his home state.

    Other than that, it's a pretty good article.



    As for the filibuster, the votes needed have been done with simple fractions -- 2/3, 3/5. Next in that progression would be 4/7, which is really awkward, and it would change the number needed from 60 to 57. I suppose we could skip that one and go to 5/9, but that's just down to 56 votes.

    Well, maybe they'll do something rational.

    Sure.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    JH, your Salon article shows a shocking misunderstanding of the US and the way it's supposed to work. There's nothing "super undemocratic" about the Senate; each state is represented equally, as it should be. Claiming that a citizen in one state is less represented than one in another just isn't so: each gets one vote within his home state.

    Other than that, it's a pretty good article.



    As for the filibuster, the votes needed have been done with simple fractions -- 2/3, 3/5. Next in that progression would be 4/7, which is really awkward, and it would change the number needed from 60 to 57. I suppose we could skip that one and go to 5/9, but that's just down to 56 votes.

    Well, maybe they'll do something rational.

    Sure.
    I like the simple -x votes required to pass per week of debate.

    That way the filibuster has to actually legitimately be debated rather than the GOP texting "oh don't bother raising that issue we'll just block it." And can still be used to debate important questions for the nation as originally intended.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I like the simple -x votes required to pass per week of debate.

    That way the filibuster has to actually legitimately be debated rather than the GOP texting "oh don't bother raising that issue we'll just block it." And can still be used to debate important questions for the nation as originally intended.
    Which would, I presume, do away with stunts like reading from the phone book?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Which would, I presume, do away with stunts like reading from the phone book?
    If they want to stand there and read the phone book for x weeks until the votes required to pass is 51, that's fine.

    It's obstructionism and wasting the Senate's time and people will see it as such.

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If they want to stand there and read the phone book for x weeks until the votes required to pass is 51, that's fine.

    It's obstructionism and wasting the Senate's time and people will see it as such.
    Ugh.

    They should have to have a point to make concerning the legislation with anything they bring. If there's a debate about immigration and someone wanted to read from two different phone books to illustrate that there are places with almost no Hispanic-sounding names, I could agree with that, but just to read it -- no.

    Of course they all have staff who could find binders full of material that could be associated with a topic, so there's probably not much difference.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Battle over Susan Rice confirmation a moot point when Senate Dems strip GOP of filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ugh.

    They should have to have a point to make concerning the legislation with anything they bring. If there's a debate about immigration and someone wanted to read from two different phone books to illustrate that there are places with almost no Hispanic-sounding names, I could agree with that, but just to read it -- no.

    Of course they all have staff who could find binders full of material that could be associated with a topic, so there's probably not much difference.
    Yes but then that gets down almost to a question of are you saying someone has to sit there and moderate the debate and make sure it's staying on track. And who could you possibly get to do such a job that the Republicans wouldn't insist was biased. What with you know that whole insistence on facts.

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