Obama costs more than the royal family

[HenryReardon]

Obama family 'costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year' (that's 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...LION-year.html


It will be interesting to see who defends these excesses.

[rareboy]

Bullshit.

[Laufey]

Well he actually has a job unlike the Royal Family

[rareboy]

[Orlandude]

As the article points out...that's the cost of keeping ANY President...not just Obama.
The British Royal Family does not travel to the extent of the President of the United States, therefore does not need a constant legion of security personnel. Seriously, how many times has the Queen been to America versus how many times a President has visited Europe?

[GiancarloC]

Consider the rag this article is coming from... the Daily Mail is something I wouldn't even wipe my ass with. A conservative tabloid... which makes it worse. Total bullshit indeed.

Oh and those numbers seem doctored. Sorta like the same shit conservatives did with that trip to India. They made up numbers.

[xbuzzerx]

In the conservative worldview, costs and spending don't matter until a Democrat is doing it. We've seen this over and over again. The cost of having a President is *now* a problem? The DEFICIT is NOW a problem? lol. Didn't hear that crap in 2004.

[MisterB]

Maybe a better question to ask is how much did the last republican administration cost us, the American taxpayer?

Remember, they started with a budget surplus and then boom, budget deficits from the know-we-know-we-were-lied-to Iraq war, unfunded tax cuts, the mortgage crisis, etc. Where did the jobs go in the last four years of that administration? It took them two years to undue everything left to them and then six more years to pile on the massive debt.

Oh that's right, none of that mattered UNTIL a democratic and oh yeah the first black president took office, and then bam, he's blamed for everything. And you expect him to FIX everything you broke in four years, without any republican help the last two years. None. Nothing to help create jobs, improve the economy. Nada.

Funny how the election changed so much of this country's dynamic on so many levels. And watching the denial from the folks that just got their "arses" handed to them only proves how correct the voters got it. Stunning statistic from the election that still amazes me is that every democrat who ran for re-election on the national level was re-elected.

I'm tired of all the posturing and talk. Get busy Washington and work together and let's get America back to work. Resolve all this fiscal-cliff nonsense. Now.

[gatormonster]

More Republican half-truth nonsense!

[xbuzzerx]

Wow - your insightful reply is scintillating. I'm dazzled by it...

OP asked for it with "THE OBAMA FAMILY COSTS" instead of "The office of the President costs.."

[bankside]

I'd like to know if this means Boehner will now be pushing for cost savings by dissolving the Presidency and rejoining the Commonwealth with Queen Elizabeth as Head of State.

Apparently she's a bargain! And the fiscal cliff is coming!

[TX-Beau]

...bargain basement Queen....

hmmmmm I think I've heard that before...

[HenryReardon]

[
It will be interesting to see who defends these excesses.

And so it has. Point proved.

[GiancarloC]

And so it has. Point proved.

What excesses? Doctored figures from a conservative rag?

[White Eagle]

Maybe a better question to ask is how much did the last republican administration cost us, the American taxpayer?

Remember, they started with a budget surplus and then boom, budget deficits from the know-we-know-we-were-lied-to Iraq war, unfunded tax cuts, the mortgage crisis, etc. Where did the jobs go in the last four years of that administration? It took them two years to undue everything left to them and then six more years to pile on the massive debt.

Oh that's right, none of that mattered UNTIL a democratic and oh yeah the first black president took office, and then bam, he's blamed for everything. And you expect him to FIX everything you broke in four years, without any republican help the last two years. None. Nothing to help create jobs, improve the economy. Nada.

Funny how the election changed so much of this country's dynamic on so many levels. And watching the denial from the folks that just got their "arses" handed to them only proves how correct the voters got it. Stunning statistic from the election that still amazes me is that every democrat who ran for re-election on the national level was re-elected.

I'm tired of all the posturing and talk. Get busy Washington and work together and let's get America back to work. Resolve all this fiscal-cliff nonsense. Now.

I love you!!!!!

[White Eagle]

What excesses? Doctored figures from a conservative rag?

No, now pay attention. He defends his own post!

[cgymike]

OP asked for it with "THE OBAMA FAMILY COSTS" instead of "The office of the President costs.."

Well my criticism involves the lack of fact and figures here. I understand your reaction though. Can we get some kind of breakdown here comparing costs of the family versus the office of President? "Don't all rush to Wikipedia at once"....LOL

[gewhite3]

OP asked for it with "THE OBAMA FAMILY COSTS" instead of "The office of the President costs.."

He's bitter that Obama won.

[GiancarloC]

He's bitter that Obama won.

Yea getting kicked in the nuts on election day still must hurt.

[cgymike]

Yea getting kicked in the nuts on election day still must hurt.

Ohhh...4 more years huh and I hear only an actvof God could change that in the states. Impeachment rare indeed....

Interesting. Makes sense though. Thanks guys. New to this forum this time around so just getting to see who the "actors" are and what roles they play. "All of CEP a stage and the posters merely players" and all that...

Tragedy or Comedy?

[xbuzzerx]

Yea getting kicked in the nuts on election day still must hurt.

lmao. We're so mature. I like it.

[heightsboi]

Queen = Head of State, not head of government

President= Head of State, Head of government, Commander-in-chief.

Royal Family: Travels for goodwill. State visits to Her realms are paid for by other countries.

President: travels to represent country, all paid for by US taxpayers.

Royal Family: subjects of adoration

Presidents: targets of assassins.

Royal Family: controls several lovely castles

President: controls nuclear warheads

Not really a comparison, now, is it?

[CoolBlue71]

It is interesting.

[bankside]

Queen = Head of State, not head of government

President= Head of State, Head of government, Commander-in-chief.

Royal Family: Travels for goodwill. State visits to Her realms are paid for by other countries.

President: travels to represent country, all paid for by US taxpayers.

Royal Family: subjects of adoration

Presidents: targets of assassins.

Royal Family: controls several lovely castles

President: controls nuclear warheads

Not really a comparison, now, is it?

A visit to a Realm is not a State Visit. State Visits are for foreigners. For example, she is the Queen of Canada. If she rules other countries in her spare time, that is her business. If she goes outside the Commonwealth Realms, the taxpayers foot the bill for the Realm on whose behalf she is travelling.

The Queen is also Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of at least one country with nuclear armaments, and can dismiss the Government.

She was once the bridesmaid of a cousin whose princely father was assassinated. And we all know that assassination of royalty can start a world war.

She's the real deal.

[GiancarloC]

The Prime Minister assumes more responsibilities in parliamentary monarchs... a historical example would be Winston Churchill. The British royalty are mostly just figureheads and have been for some time. Heck, even the Spanish monarchy is considered more powerful than them in terms of what they are allowed to do internally.

[evanrick]

Well it costs a lot of money to federally fund medicare and food stamps in those poor red states also.

[rareboy]

So for all the Obama haters out there who are in need of another 'insider' book on why you should hate this man, his wife, his daughters and their dog...this is what the cover looks like.

Buy one for everyone in your family for Christmas or just wait for the shoutrage sound bites to dribble out of FOX, Breitbarf, Limbaugh and Drudge so that you can trot one excess after another to this forum in order to prove that Obama is the most evil president ever.

I would say though that one of the areas that cost a lot of money in the US is the Presidential plane. Who made the country so damned big, anyway. Why didn't they just leave it the same size as England....costs so much less to fly their Royalnesses around the postage sized island.

We're all waiting.

[Laufey]

Well wasn't the Air Force One designed so it's possible to run the government from it?

[rareboy]

Yes,

And one of the curses of being President running for re-election is that you are required to take this plane.

But oh. The salacious 'inside' details.

Obama 'apparently' has 26 crew on board.

Including 5 chefs. 'Apparently'.

And the dog-walker, paid $102,000 per year and the dog were 'apparently' the only passengers on one flight.

I suspect that we'll find out that 'apparently' AF1 has been making secret trips back and forth to Kenya; I can't say because I haven't yet read the book or heard the reliable journalists at Fox and Fiends sputter in outrageous indignation yet.

Get ready to be regaled with this book as the author is out on his promotional tour in order to get one of his 'insider' tomes into every Republican's stocking this Christmas.

[rareboy]

Oh by the way.

The book has been out since July 2012,

Wonder why FOX et al really din't make much out of it during the election campaign.

Could it be that the facts didn't even pass their incredibly low bar??????????????????????

[loki81]

wow, 7 replies before we're blaming Bush for this? you're slacking

I'd be curious to know where these numbers are coming from... wonder if they're attributing the entire budget of the Secret Service to the President (despite the fact that bodyguard duty is just one of many things the agency does)

[rareboy]

^ You'll have to read Robert K. Gray's tell all book to find out.

It is the source for this 'news' story.

I'm sure he provides irrefutable sources for his figures.

[White Eagle]

Yes,

And one of the curses of being President running for re-election is that you are required to take this plane.

But oh. The salacious 'inside' details.

Obama 'apparently' has 26 crew on board.

Including 5 chefs. 'Apparently'.

And the dog-walker, paid $102,000 per year and the dog were 'apparently' the only passengers on one flight.

I suspect that we'll find out that 'apparently' AF1 has been making secret trips back and forth to Kenya; I can't say because I haven't yet read the book or heard the reliable journalists at Fox and Fiends sputter in outrageous indignation yet.

Get ready to be regaled with this book as the author is out on his promotional tour in order to get one of his 'insider' tomes into every Republican's stocking this Christmas.

Here is/are the facts of the trip to Hawaii. It's too early to figure out which is appropriate.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...starts-unravel


Bo-Gate: The Coverup Starts to Unravel

—By Kevin Drum
| Fri Dec. 23, 2011 9:34 AM PST

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So apparently the White House is doubling down on its coverup. They say Bo didn't go to Hawaii. They say Bo didn't fly back to Virginia the next day in order to stage a photo op with President Obama. They say Bo doesn't have his own private 747 to ferry him around the country. And they obviously used their well-honed Chicago thug tactics to force Scott Miscovich to recant. It's just like Darkness at Noon.

[rareboy]

^ Just shocking.

The Queen doesn't fly her corgis all over the US in a private jet. Why should Obama?

[Just_Believe18]

In the conservative worldview, costs and spending don't matter until a Democrat is doing it. We've seen this over and over again. The cost of having a President is *now* a problem? The DEFICIT is NOW a problem? lol. Didn't hear that crap in 2004.

Quoted for truth.

And that's all that needed to be said about this HenryReardon thread.

[rareboy]

In the 1992 book, The Power House by Susan B. Trento, "tells how Mr. Gray, after unabashedly peddling access for decades, reached the apex of his influence when his friend Ronald Reagan moved into the White House." [5] This book led to a defamation lawsuit by Gray against Trento and St. Martin's Press, in which Gray's claims were dismissed.[6]

5^ Darth Vader of the Lobbyists. By Stephen Labaton, The New York Times, August 23, 1992
6^ Gray v. St. Martin's Press, 221 F3d. 243, 1st Cir. 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Keith_Gray

The (book) has several claims worth fact-checking, including the idea that there are thirty-two "czars" now working in this Administration, a claim apparently inspired by Glen Beck's identical charge. Factcheck.org has debunked this as well as Politifact.

Michelle Obama's staff size also comes under scrutiny by Mr. Gray, who once again uses talk show host Glen Beck as his researcher. Back in February 2011, Beck claimed Michelle Obama had 43 staffers, compared to Nancy Reagan's 3. Once again, Politifact did some digging and found the claim to be inflated dramatically.

http://reasonableconversation.blogsp...sive-ever.html

So you see people...the reason that this shocking claim didn't get much air time or attention during the election season is that it was, as I originally noted....full of reeking bullshit and the claims made couldn't even begin to stand exposure to fact checking.



Poor Mr. Gray.

And just for the record. The publish date from the Guardian was :

PUBLISHED: 05:26 GMT, 29 September 2012 | UPDATED: 05:26 GMT, 29 September 2012

I don't know why Henry is only now tossing it out in front of the posters on this forum.

It isn't news.

And it isn't a current event.

The election's over Henry. Your candidate lost.

You don't need to insult our intelligence.