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    (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    love sesame st. and super grover

    not so super grover norquist is making some noise about republicans who are now rightfully back pedaling from the idea of higher taxes

    Peter King, Lindsay Graham, Saxby Chambliss, Bob Corker and others have said .... everything is on the table

    it's not totally clear whether a tax deduction adjustment and tax increase are the same thing but bottom line is that the horse is out of the barn and rightfully so, some moderate repubs are stating the obvious

    and grover is mad

    and he'll "get even" LOL

    grover is clearly a smart man ...... but he just doesn't get it



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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    The jury is out on Grover's intelligence, and even more questionable when it comes to politicians who have quailed in fear of him.

    What is is about the right wing politicians that requires them to tremble before hateful demagogues?
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    Norquist needs an enema right up to his brain.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    I don't respect him as a political figure, but he 's cute, and pings my 'Dar.

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    Too bad many Republicans don't take their marriage vows as seriously as they take their vow to Grover Norquist.

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    Funny how the members of the Republican party swear loyality to Norquist and then to the constitution.

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    If you sign an agreement, you should abide by it. If you don't it should be made known that you have reneged on it. Pretty simple concept.

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    The US has to get over the idea of being governed by Grover Norquist and Jerry Falwell.

    These two men will be the undoing of the nation.

    It is about time that an unelected shill, with a limited and imperfect understanding of government and the economy, learns that one man will not be permitted to make public policy for the nation.

    His actions make a mockery of the Constitution.

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    Old Saying: He who plots revenge should first dig two graves.

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The US has to get over the idea of being governed by Grover Norquist and Jerry Falwell.

    These two men will be the undoing of the nation.

    It is about time that an unelected shill, with a limited and imperfect understanding of government and the economy, learns that one man will not be permitted to make public policy for the nation.

    His actions make a mockery of the Constitution.
    No, our politicians deviation from the founders intent of limited government makes a mockery of the Constitution.

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    If you sign an agreement, you should abide by it. If you don't it should be made known that you have reneged on it. Pretty simple concept.
    Except if you sign that agreement under duress. Norquist is a blackmailer. He threatens Republicans with political sabotage if they won't sign his pledge. He threatens them with sabotage if they break the pledge.

    Personally, I like my politicians to answer to their constituents, rather than to individuals with large amounts of money and media savvy. Don't you, Jack?

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    No, our politicians deviation from the founders intent of limited government makes a mockery of the Constitution.

    Yeah, but the original founders didn't anticipate or desire the ripping apart of the country through civil war either, did they?


    Their naive, agrarian notion of confederacy, suited to a clutch of former colonies surrounded by the superpowers of the day did not anticipate the world as it unfloded.

    Like the Industrial Age.

    Or high speed global communications.

    Or the rise of communism and fascism.

    The founders didn't anticipate the Second World war.

    Constitutional literalism is about as dangerous as religious fundamentalist literalist interpretations of the Jewish bible.

    And the founders themselves were openly and deeply divided as to what the Constitution meant with respect to federalism and the powers of federal government.

    Grover Norquist is a stupid man who somehow has been granted greater power than the elected representatives of the US.

    He represents a danger to the state and at one level, what he is doing is treasonous.

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    I see Boehner signed the pledge 20 yrs ago. I didn't know that I thought this was something started by the tea baggers. This is ridiculous. While things change, such as war, the price of keeping infrastructure, supply, population, insurance, utilities, & salaries amongst millions of things government uses just like every person or business. These moronic politicians are supposed to be faithful to that or face this fierce monster of Norquist? Except when it involves their own salaries and benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    If you sign an agreement, you should abide by it. If you don't it should be made known that you have reneged on it. Pretty simple concept.
    So a signed agreement with some bozo ideologue trumps a solemn oath of office?

    Wow.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    No, our politicians deviation from the founders intent of limited government makes a mockery of the Constitution.
    There, now you're both right.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Yeah, but the original founders didn't anticipate or desire the ripping apart of the country through civil war either, did they?
    But they did anticipate it -- just check out the debates over the Declaration of Independence that nearly kept it from being passed, and the worse division among the delegates to the constitutional convention. They knew that the issue of slavery had to be postponed, because a war between the colonies/states at that early point would have meant imposition of a military government from the German on the British throne. They also knew that there was little likelihood the issue would be settled except by use of arms.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Their naive, agrarian notion of confederacy, suited to a clutch of former colonies surrounded by the superpowers of the day did not anticipate the world as it unfloded.

    Like the Industrial Age.

    Or high speed global communications.

    Or the rise of communism and fascism.

    The founders didn't anticipate the Second World war.

    Constitutional literalism is about as dangerous as religious fundamentalist literalist interpretations of the Jewish bible.

    And the founders themselves were openly and deeply divided as to what the Constitution meant with respect to federalism and the powers of federal government.
    They didn't need to anticipate those things. They designed a government built on principles that would encompass any future possibilities by upholding individual liberty and keeping government from being too intrusive. And to make it flexible, they built in a way to change it.

    They didn't need to foresee the rise of totalitarian states; all they had to do was look around and see those everywhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Grover Norquist is a stupid man who somehow has been granted greater power than the elected representatives of the US.

    He represents a danger to the state and at one level, what he is doing is treasonous.
    He's not stupid; he has intelligence aplenty. What he is, is foolish; his wisdom is about on par with the number of people who voted for him to have power.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    If you sign an agreement, you should abide by it. If you don't it should be made known that you have reneged on it. Pretty simple concept.
    The problem is that Republicans value their pledge to Norquist above their pledge to America.

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    So a signed agreement with some bozo ideologue trumps a solemn oath of office?

    Wow.
    What solemn oath would that be? The one promising to abide by the Constitution? Or does the oath recognize all but the 10th Amendment? If they followed the Constitution we wouldn't be $16,000,000,000,000 in the hole and looking to borrow a few trillion more every year or so. Norquist's pledge isn't perfect, but it will do for the moment. We need a balanced budget amendment to reign in the excesses of both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    The problem is that Republicans value their pledge to Norquist above their pledge to America.
    And where exactly did anybody pledge to spend the country into bankruptcy? That's where we're headed if we don't stop.

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    I think that it is incredibly dangerous and unhealthy to sign any sort of pledges as a politician. The world changes constantly, and what is a bad decision today can be life-saving tomorrow. Politics CAN NOT be decided by pledges, this isn't the medieval ages... Furthermore, to claim that there is only one way the constitution can be interpreted is absolutely LAUGHABLE. If that were the case, there would be no need of the Supreme Court. And as was stated earlier, pledges signed under duress are meaningless.

    In the end, a politician should only be accountable to those who elected him, and his choice of politics should only be governed by what's best for the current moment, not by some document a random person made him sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But they did anticipate it -- just check out the debates over the Declaration of Independence that nearly kept it from being passed, and the worse division among the delegates to the constitutional convention. They knew that the issue of slavery had to be postponed, because a war between the colonies/states at that early point would have meant imposition of a military government from the German on the British throne. They also knew that there was little likelihood the issue would be settled except by use of arms.


    They didn't need to anticipate those things. They designed a government built on principles that would encompass any future possibilities by upholding individual liberty and keeping government from being too intrusive. And to make it flexible, they built in a way to change it.

    They didn't need to foresee the rise of totalitarian states; all they had to do was look around and see those everywhere.



    He's not stupid; he has intelligence aplenty. What he is, is foolish; his wisdom is about on par with the number of people who voted for him to have power.
    I do concur. You are indeed absolutely correct on a number of these things. I guess though, the North winning the civil war and the clarification of of states rights versus the powers of the federation, was a pretty definitive interpretation of the intent of the Constitution.

    Unless you still believe the Confederate States to be occupied territory.

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    And where exactly did anybody pledge to spend the country into bankruptcy? That's where we're headed if we don't stop.
    That really sounds like an opinion you're having...
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    What solemn oath would that be? The one promising to abide by the Constitution? Or does the oath recognize all but the 10th Amendment? If they followed the Constitution we wouldn't be $16,000,000,000,000 in the hole and looking to borrow a few trillion more every year or so. Norquist's pledge isn't perfect, but it will do for the moment. We need a balanced budget amendment to reign in the excesses of both parties.
    Norquist's pledge is dangerous. If no one had signed it and Congresscritters had done their jobs by letting the Bush tax cuts end (and raising the individual exemption by $2k), the deficit would be 15% smaller than it is now. We could have done that with virtually no impact on the economy.

    What Norquist's pledge does is put ideology above the American people, because to cut enough all at once to balance the budget would mean a 43% slash in all departments; the result of that would be a new great depression -- meaning a plunge in government revenues that would mean borrowing wouldn't go down at all. It would become a race to disaster, fueled by stupidity and ideology.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

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    And where exactly did anybody pledge to spend the country into bankruptcy? That's where we're headed if we don't stop.
    Good question. Why have Republicans been so bent on trying to do this for 30 years?

    The pledge to Norquist was not that Republicans would not spend like drunken sailors. It was that they would do so without actually paying for anything.

    If Republicans think that massive government expansion is so valuable, why don't they believe it is worth actually paying for?

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    Politics should be made, and government should be run through discussion, healthy opposition and compromise. Not cultist "pledges" that say "no compromise, my way or the highway". Disagreement is not a reason to make a mockery of the political process. It's a reason to have different parties that work TOGETHER. It is hilariously audacious to agree with this sort of cult behavior and then accuse OBAMA of not reaching through the isle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Norquist's pledge is dangerous. If no one had signed it and Congresscritters had done their jobs by letting the Bush tax cuts end (and raising the individual exemption by $2k), the deficit would be 15% smaller than it is now. We could have done that with virtually no impact on the economy.

    What Norquist's pledge does is put ideology above the American people, because to cut enough all at once to balance the budget would mean a 43% slash in all departments; the result of that would be a new great depression -- meaning a plunge in government revenues that would mean borrowing wouldn't go down at all. It would become a race to disaster, fueled by stupidity and ideology.
    This is why I say he must be a stupid man...not foolish.

    Or else he is actually determined to take US on a ruinous course. Which is treason.

    As has been pointed out, conning the Americans into believing that they could fight a war in Iraq on borrowed money without having to pay for it was something all those Republicans who signed this stupid and utterly meaningless oath seemed to have no problem doing.

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    Norquist and his minions in Congress are like the classic used car salesman: they sell you on one car, making you love it, but what they actually give you falls apart before you can get over the river to grandmother's house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Yeah, but the original founders didn't anticipate or desire the ripping apart of the country through civil war either, did they?


    Their naive, agrarian notion of confederacy, suited to a clutch of former colonies surrounded by the superpowers of the day did not anticipate the world as it unfloded.

    Like the Industrial Age.

    Or high speed global communications.

    Or the rise of communism and fascism.

    The founders didn't anticipate the Second World war.

    Constitutional literalism is about as dangerous as religious fundamentalist literalist interpretations of the Jewish bible.

    And the founders themselves were openly and deeply divided as to what the Constitution meant with respect to federalism and the powers of federal government.

    Grover Norquist is a stupid man who somehow has been granted greater power than the elected representatives of the US.

    He represents a danger to the state and at one level, what he is doing is treasonous.
    Agreed.

    Someone as fervently devoted to the intent of the framers as Jackoroe thinks he is should also know that the founders were terrified of cult of personality or the farmers rallying around a popular war figure or other person who could wield undue influence and power without the legitimate blessing of the informed electorate. That's precisely why things like the electoral college exist and by no means would the framers have smiled on people rallying around some shadow figure and swearing oaths to him outside of elected office to follow his political orchestration. Farthest thing from what they would have approved.

    Looks ridiculous defending it.

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    Re: (Super) Grover Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Good question. Why have Republicans been so bent on trying to do this for 30 years?

    The pledge to Norquist was not that Republicans would not spend like drunken sailors. It was that they would do so without actually paying for anything.

    If Republicans think that massive government expansion is so valuable, why don't they believe it is worth actually paying for?
    Because they want to make the Federal government so weak through debt and sabotage that it can be drowned in the bathtub.

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    Agreed.

    Someone as fervently devoted to the intent of the framers as Jackoroe thinks he is should also know that the founders were terrified of cult of personality or the farmers rallying around a popular war figure or other person who could wield undue influence and power without the legitimate blessing of the informed electorate. That's precisely why things like the electoral college exist and by no means would the framers have smiled on people rallying around some shadow figure and swearing oaths to him outside of elected office to follow his political orchestration. Farthest thing from what they would have approved.

    Looks ridiculous defending it.
    The very fact that George Washington was elected and re-elected disabuses the notion that the framers were terrified of the "cult of personality". They had every confidence that the Constitutional limitations on the president would keep that from becoming an issue. It worked quite well.

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    No, our politicians deviation from the founders intent of limited government makes a mockery of the Constitution.
    Our founders intent with the constitution was to found a strong central government - they'd already tried limited Gov before the Constitution and it was a miserable failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The very fact that George Washington was elected and re-elected disabuses the notion that the framers were terrified of the "cult of personality". They had every confidence that the Constitutional limitations on the president would keep that from becoming an issue. It worked quite well.
    This is completely pointless, George being elected in no way disabuses anyone of anything, and there are a ton of writings from the FF demonstrating just how dangerous they thought demagogues could possibly be - did you take US history in college, because it doesn't sound like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    This is completely pointless, George being elected in no way disabuses anyone of anything, and there are a ton of writings from the FF demonstrating just how dangerous they thought demagogues could possibly be - did you take US history in college, because it doesn't sound like it.
    Republicans are not keen on history. From Washington's farewell address [which is required reading in USH]...

    All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.

    However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

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    I was under the impression that George Washington's will and desire was the reason behind him not assuming a more permanent position?
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    ^Pretty much. He felt two terms was sufficient to accomplish his goals. He was up there in age too (died three years after his term ended) and he felt that nobody should die in office like a monarchy due to age. I don't think we should impose an age limit (term limits perhaps) for Congress but there are plenty of them that should bow out gracefully and retire instead of being disdainfully remembered. Reckon not in the same field but the perfect example I can think of right now is Brett Favre. He was quite a good quarterback but his last few years were marred with scandal and ineptitude and that is what he will sadly be remembered for.

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    What was the name of that fossil from SC famous for napping through committee meetings?
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    What was the name of that fossil from SC famous for napping through committee meetings?
    Strom Thurman, another example of a stellar Republican with great morals! Whilst he was preaching against integration and running a prejudicial presidential campaign, seems he found time to impregnate one of the "colored" staff, resulting in a bi-racial daughter who existence was kept secret for close to 50 years.

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    LOL dear old Strom.... what a name... why do republicans have weird fucking names? Mitt, Newt, Strom, Rand..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

    Max I was going to say your Favre analogy makes me think of McCain but Strom is a much better example of idiocy ...
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    LOL dear old Strom.... what a name... why do republicans have weird fucking names? Mitt, Newt, Strom, Rand..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

    Max I was going to say your Favre analogy makes me think of McCain but Strom is a much better example of idiocy ...
    Yes, of course. Barack Hussein is quite mainstream in your twisted little world, isn't it?

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    Twisted little world? You talk about cultist pledges replacing democratic representation, and YOU have the temerity to talk about twisted worlds?
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    Yes, of course. Barack Hussein is quite mainstream in your twisted little world, isn't it?
    It's an actual name, just not from an Anglo background, and has a very long history.

    Names like Tripp and Trig, on the other hand, come straight out of some redneck cookbook.

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    To be fair Jay, Mitt's real name is Willard which isn't that farfetched.

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    I don't have much to add to the thread that hasn't been said already except that I think the OP deserves a little more credit for his amazing SuperGrover reference... I LOVE that guy!

    And, it is actually an amazing analogy... to me, Norquist is a largely well-intentioned, idealistic (but clueless) libertarian who may as well live on Sesame Street as he is clueless to how the actual world works. His simplistic "taxes are bad" mantra may sound good to some, but it is destructive, divisive, and obstuctionist. And, not to beat the analogy to death, but I think the following clip is a excellent illustration of what is going on with the fiscal cliff (w/ SuperGrover playing a central role):

    My favorite line:
    Boy: "You think that is a good idea?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    If you sign an agreement, you should abide by it. If you don't it should be made known that you have reneged on it. Pretty simple concept.
    On the other paw, what do you expect of your representative 'leaders' riding the plan down in flames even if it means doing more harm than good or acknowledging that circumstances have changed and doing what is best for the people you represent even if it means breaking a pledge?
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    Making pledges is sorta juvenile

    when i think of pledges i think of pledging a fraternity or a boy scout pledge

    not a policy pledge

    it's stupid

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    I look forward to having a gay President.

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    Pledges are toxic.

    Uncompromising men are the sort that need to stay out of politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    To be fair Jay, Mitt's real name is Willard which isn't that farfetched.
    Not at all far-fetched. The movie WILLARD was about a recluse who, in overseeing a bunch of RATS, more or less was himself the alpha-rat...as Willard Romney lusted for.
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    Pledges don't make for practical governing. Keeping rates relatively low for all is a wonderful and admirable goal...but straightjacketing your party into refusing any adjustments whatsoever than can help keep up revenues in a time where relying only on massive cuts would do worse damage in the short run, at least...it's political suicide. Especially if your saying defense can't be cut....of course it can. Just not in the way it would automatically be slashed, without any kind of rhyme or reason, if the Fiscal Cliff is reached. Priorities have to be paramount, however...not cushy projects for constituencies that only serve the proliferation of a military-industrial complex.

    NOTHING should be off the table, not taxes, and NOT entitlement reform. The biggest part of rising spending costs outside of defense is PRECISELY in Medicare and Medicaid...reform there is essential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Twisted little world? You talk about cultist pledges replacing democratic representation, and YOU have the temerity to talk about twisted worlds?

    Quoted for truth.

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