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    NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Please read this article about a lesbian gay advocate (very oxymoronish). This lady is absolutely disgusting. Reprehensible. She worked on legislation to banish gay marriage when she was married to a guy in her 20's. Now, at the tender age of 53, she's working to undo her own work.

    No thanks.

    Republican and Lesbian, and Fighting for Acceptance of Both Identities

    I got a link to this article from a straight friend. She's perplexed, I mean PERPLEXED, that there are gay Republicans out there.
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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Your link redirects me to the general news page... But I'm already disgusted, based on your description alone.
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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Your link redirects me to the general news page... But I'm already disgusted, based on your description alone.
    Here's the link that should work: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/us...-profiles.html Hopefully a moderator can fix that link by putting it into the original link.

    I like this excerpt from the article:

    There is no way to measure the true numbers, but gay activists say that in many cases, these “unicorns” were Republicans before they were gay — driven by conservative upbringings, economic issues and libertarian principles. They often did not acknowledge their sexual orientation, even to themselves, until middle age.
    I guess the author of this piece at The NY Times didn't hear the bullshit theory that most middle-aged gay men and women were wiped out by HIV/AIDS. Thank BP for that gem and he was serious too.

    Ms. Smith, a 53-year-old teacher in North Carolina, said that despite signs that she was attracted to women, she was “clueless” in her youth.

    “I always wanted to find a husband because my mother felt that women should be married,” Ms. Smith said.
    ^^^ I called it denial in the other thread (How can you have attractions to the same sex and then call yourself "clueless"?). Others call it HIV/AIDS sparing these lesbians. *shakes head*
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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    not sure why you hate her

    she's come full circle

    and you don't know her personally or what she went thru

    a representative from HRC supports her - why can't you ?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1341775.html

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    When you are taught from a very young age that being gay is sinful and that god hates you and you will be in hell,you will often do what this woman is and deny who you are. You will get married and in many cases will often work anti-gay causes to furth convince yourself you are something you're not.
    Does it make me feel sorry for her or others that do this? Not in the least. Just as a crappy childhood isn't an excuse to hurt others,being a self-loather does NOT give you the right to put other LGBT citizens through unjust discrimination because of your issues.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    When you are taught from a very young age that being gay is sinful and that god hates you and you will be in hell,you will often do what this woman is and deny who you are. You will get married and in many cases will often work anti-gay causes to furth convince yourself you are something you're not.
    Does it make me feel sorry for her or others that do this? Not in the least. Just as a crappy childhood isn't an excuse to hurt others,being a self-loather does NOT give you the right to put other LGBT citizens through unjust discrimination because of your issues.
    Self-loathing is fine. But working against the gay community and then forgetting that you're playing a role in bigotry... unforgivable.
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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    So you don't think that Ken Mehlman deserves a break either?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Mehlman

    Even though after he came out of the closet he has tried to repair some of the great harm he helped inflict on homos in the US, including being some credit for helping to swing the vote for homo marriage in New York State?

    Ken Mehlman Launches Project To Build Conservative Support For Marriage Equality

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular
    Last edited by rareboy; November 26th, 2012 at 08:22 AM.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Honestly, I would say that everyone who honestly tries to do the right thing, deserves some degree of "break". What seriously bothers me is that this woman said she "feels no regret" about her participation in the creation of DOMA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    not sure why you hate her

    she's come full circle

    and you don't know her personally or what she went thru

    a representative from HRC supports her - why can't you ?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1341775.html
    Who cares? She is still part of a perpetual hate machine known as the GOP.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    I think the one thing that makes me distrustful about her and people like Mehlman is that they still hang out in the same tent they helped erect in the past.

    I see some of this stuff as now being an opportunistic attempt to figure out how to peel away support for the Democrats by making soothing noises about how the Republicans really do like homos.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    So you don't think that Ken Mehlman deserves a break either?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Mehlman

    Even though after he came out of the closet he has tried to repair some of the great harm he helped inflict on homos in the US, including being some credit for helping to swing the vote for homo marriage in New York State?

    Ken Mehlman Launches Project To Build Conservative Support For Marriage Equality

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular
    He deserves nothing but contempt. Many of the anti-gay amendments in the different states are his doing.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    He deserves nothing but contempt. Many of the anti-gay amendments in the different states are his doing.
    bitter is not a good quality

    and mehlman is trying to make up for his closeted misdeeds

    better to not be bitter and give him credit for finding the light

    better late than never

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    I don't see why I should feel anything but contempt for those people. They lied to themselves and the world and they helped bigots oppress the rest of us. In a broader sense, there are children who have taken their own life because of them. And I should give them a pat on the head for being sorry and supposedly trying to fix it? From WITHIN the GOP? Girl please...
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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    bitter is not a good quality

    and mehlman is trying to make up for his closeted misdeeds

    better to not be bitter and give him credit for finding the light

    better late than never
    I give way more credit to all of the people, including people older than the people in this article, who DIDN'T spend half their life trying to get discriminatory legislation passed before they self-embraced.

    These people don't deserve any special applause. They're just LESS vile than people like Larry Craig, but far from commendable.

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    I mean, I loathe and despise the self-hating homos who just vote for bigotry. Why would I feel better about those self-hating homos who have worked to FORGE it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I don't see why I should feel anything but contempt for those people. They lied to themselves and the world and they helped bigots oppress the rest of us. In a broader sense, there are children who have taken their own life because of them. And I should give them a pat on the head for being sorry and supposedly trying to fix it? From WITHIN the GOP? Girl please...
    such righteous bullshit on display

    people make mistakes ....... life doesn't end ......... all u can do is try to make it better

    and she/ken have

    hopefully they can feel better about themselves

    what would u rather have ...... people who keep fucking up and hurting our cause

    or people who see the light

    your inability to forgive isn't a strength ..... it's a weakness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I mean, I loathe and despise the self-hating homos who just vote for bigotry. Why would I feel better about those self-hating homos who have worked to FORGE it?
    we know

    we read

    it's nothing to be proud of

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    such righteous bullshit on display

    people make mistakes ....... life doesn't end ......... all u can do is try to make it better

    and she/ken have

    hopefully they can feel better about themselves

    what would u rather have ...... people who keep fucking up and hurting our cause

    or people who see the light

    your inability to forgive isn't a strength ..... it's a weakness
    Maybe you're not grasping the fact that since we aren't gay Republicans desperately trying to cobble together some kind of intellectual honesty and integrity in being gay Republicans, we don't have a vested interest here in going out of our way to say these people who sought to codify discrimination against gay people into law having a late-life turn around are great people doing something awesome.

    Like I said, someone who didn't live their life into the 50's doing this and suddenly turn around are far more commendable than these people are. There is nothing to praise here.

    I'm sorry for you that this is the best you got as far as putting forth a gay Republican role model to point towards. It's really friggin sad.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Oh please chance with the "judgmental and intolerant," that's pure right wing "blame them for our sins," double talk.

    I'm beginning to believe you ARE Ken Mehlman.
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    I guess asking for proof is being judgmental and intolerant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Oh please chance with the "judgmental and intolerant," that's pure right wing "blame them for our sins," double talk.

    I'm beginning to believe you ARE Ken Mehlman.
    i'm not blaming u or the impish one or the newb for anything other than your cynical loathsome reaction to what appears to me to be a positive turn of events

    no need to throw a party for either/both

    but the reaction is over the top

    but standard

    Ken is much taller and not as good looking btw

    and richer

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i'm not blaming u or the impish one or the newb for anything other than your cynical loathsome reaction to what appears to me to be a positive turn of events

    no need to throw a party for either/both

    but the reaction is over the top

    but standard

    Ken is much taller and not as good looking btw

    and richer
    Great good for them they managed to reach the point in their personal development in their 50's+ that many of us reached by 18, only we got there without actively participating in persecution of gay people.

    What is it you want to hear? lol.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I give way more credit to all of the people, including people older than the people in this article, who DIDN'T spend half their life trying to get discriminatory legislation passed before they self-embraced.

    These people don't deserve any special applause. They're just LESS vile than people like Larry Craig, but far from commendable.
    What he said ^^^ minus the less vile part. These people coming out of the woodwork now are opportunists. They can go to hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Honestly, I would say that everyone who honestly tries to do the right thing, deserves some degree of "break". What seriously bothers me is that this woman said she "feels no regret" about her participation in the creation of DOMA...
    This is what seems to indicate that she has not come full circle as Chance would want us to believe.

    There is no real contrition without a declaration that the creation and support of DOMA was wrong.

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    Re: NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

    ^ how to be a homo

    The hard and fast rules

    By the all knowing and never in doubt gang that can't feel anything but contempt for

    The "un-pure"

    Sounds familiar - but not in a good way

    Anything or one who reverses a bad course

    Is at least worthy of a pass if not a pat

    And it HELPS our cause

    You want help but only on YOUR terms

    I agree what Mehlman did was heinous

    That's clear

    God works in strange ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ how to be a homo

    The hard and fast rules

    By the all knowing and never in doubt gang that can't feel anything but contempt for

    The "un-pure"

    Sounds familiar - but not in a good way

    Anything or one who reverses a bad course

    Is at least worthy of a pass if not a pat

    And it HELPS our cause

    You want help but only on YOUR terms

    I agree what Mehlman did was heinous

    That's clear

    God works in strange ways
    By your logic someone who lynched black people and later realized it was wrong is equal or better morally to someone who had worked for black civil rights all along.

    Check out your moral compass.

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