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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Bankside,
    I just wanted to thank you for sharing that. You know I mean no offence, I hope. I never do. I have a tendency to have strong views on occasion, as I do with this because of something that happened previously mostly. And sometimes anyone can say stuff without realising what impact it may be having on others. HIV is an issue that affects all of us, in some way.

    So let's concentrate on us, the living. What do you reckon? This is silly, isn't it? We've got our views and I can't see either of them being changed by each other. I can tell that Andreus meant a lot to you, and that's what counts the most, regardless of my opinion. Good luck mate!

    Sincerely,
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    But I had to wait both to be ready, and since I moved before Facebook was available, I had to wait for technology to put it in my lap. And if I had died of starvation and untreated HIV before that happened, no one would have known except maybe a couple of family members and they would not have been inclined to contact people I knew, even if they knew how.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    It is not personal affection for Andreus that motivates my views on this. To be honest I found him annoying enough that when balanced against his interestingness it was just about break even. And you could convince me to change my mind. I just don't see a pattern coming convincingly to light based on the posts so far.

    Corny's suspicions have piqued my interest as he has technical access to learn a bit more about posters in the JUB community. But even then, I don't understand the point in saying what amounts to "I never accuse unless I'm sure, but I'm glad to sow doubt by venting my suspicions. But I certainly wouldn't accuse. Not me."

    This thread is a strange way to address the passing of someone who is recalled in the Garden of Memories. I would find it very strange if I popped my clogs only to have not just my death but my reality debated on the Internet. I am not in any way made personally distraught by this speculation. But I will point out that manners would usually preclude this kind of speculation lest it give offence to those who do feel the loss personally. Barring any definitive evidence of course, in which case no one has experienced a loss. But that's a hell of a big assumption to make to let it rest on "what if" and "I have a hunch" and "something doesn't seem quite right."
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Actually, back then, I had several pieces of evidence and was just waiting for him to make another mistake. Even after his death, I stumbled over two more things that didn't add up. But I saw this as over. Until this started now again. And now, some of the stuff being said right now, doesn't add up either. But I only expose people when I'm a 100% sure and when I have proof. Something that you should have learned from a past debacle.
    Fakers are worse than trolls, at least trolls are up front with their trollery. Fakers weave a mesh of lies, and when they've taken in some of the people they've engaged their conceit in, and the whole deck of cards is toppled and the lie uncovered, you're left with people feeling betrayal for have been taken in for a fool. JUB's had its share of them, we both know how much we've discussed the approach to exposing them and the anguish that such mod declaration brings knowing full well some folks will be hurt by it all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Corny's suspicions have piqued my interest as he has technical access to learn a bit more about posters in the JUB community. But even then, I don't understand the point in saying what amounts to "I never accuse unless I'm sure, but I'm glad to sow doubt by venting my suspicions. But I certainly wouldn't accuse. Not me."
    It has been voiced here and some people were a bit rough on the doubters. Other people doubted credibility of other posters "because they weren't there" or similar. So my post is to be seen as from someone who was surely there and who surely was quite "in the picture" back then. If I were sure, I'd have changed the user status and posted a thread about it. But I've never been and let it rest. This came back up now, mainly from people who have a connection to the whole drama. But all evidence aside, what made *me* suspicious is that basically every character and his story in this story is like right out of a soap opera script. And now this dramatization and mystification .. yeah right. Maybe Christianity started similar a few thousands years ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    It has been voiced here and some people were a bit rough on the doubters. Other people doubted credibility of other posters "because they weren't there" or similar. So my post is to be seen as from someone who was surely there and who surely was quite "in the picture" back then. If I were sure, I'd have changed the user status and posted a thread about it. But I've never been and let it rest. This came back up now, mainly from people who have a connection to the whole drama. But all evidence aside, what made *me* suspicious is that basically every character and his story in this story is like right out of a soap opera script. And now this dramatization and mystification .. yeah right. Maybe Christianity started similar a few thousands years ago
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    Maybe he's saying Jesus was a sock puppet.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I agree, Star-warrior. Fakers can do the most extreme damage. I got burnt very badly by a man we'll call "Outsider".

    Outsider posted pictures of a good-looking young man with a tortured soul. I sensed that this man may have suicidal tendencies, and wanted to help him before anything tragic happened. Indeed, during private email communication I'd had with him, he sent me pictures of "himself" slashing his wrists.

    All of this made it seem even more tragic that no one believed him. "How cruel these guys are", I thought."Here is a man whose life in danger, and they're adding insult to injury by denying him the basic dignity of an identity". I saw their attitude as cruelty to point of bullying.

    Things got really really ugly. I have never seen so much drama on JUB before or since, and I'm afraid that I let my concern for him color my own judgment. We all exchanged some very harsh words. Mr. Outsider created a tsunami. One Moderator quit over it, if I recall correctly.

    You can imagine my abject humiliation when someone proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pics were fake. I wasn't the only victim by far. JUB as a whole developed a fissure in it that created a shock wave that reached back for years.
    I'm sorry to hear that; I had no idea.

    Nonetheless I think you took the correct attitude until it was demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt. Imagine the reverse situation if you had dismissed someone who was reaching out to you over what later proved to be baseless suspicions.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I agree, Star-warrior. Fakers can do the most extreme damage. I got burnt very badly by a man we'll call "Outsider".

    Outsider posted pictures of a good-looking young man with a tortured soul. I sensed that this man may have suicidal tendencies, and wanted to help him before anything tragic happened. Indeed, during private email communication I'd had with him, he sent me pictures of "himself" slashing his wrists.

    All of this made it seem even more tragic that no one believed him. "How cruel these guys are", I thought."Here is a man whose life in danger, and they're adding insult to injury by denying him the basic dignity of an identity". I saw their attitude as cruelty to point of bullying.

    Things got really really ugly. I have never seen so much drama on JUB before or since, and I'm afraid that I let my concern for him color my own judgment. We all exchanged some very harsh words. Mr. Outsider created a tsunami. One Moderator quit over it, if I recall correctly.

    You can imagine my abject humiliation when someone proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pics were fake. I wasn't the only victim by far. JUB as a whole developed a fissure in it that created a shock wave that reached back for years.

    So I agree with you--fakers do the absolute worst damage.

    I don't know if Andreus was a fake, but if he was, consider this: how much controversy has he caused here and now, in this very thread? The thread's gone on for seven or eight pages now.
    Ah yes.

    I hope that everyone has recovered from this period.

    I felt so bad for a number people during this period of time. It was too bad that so many posters had their faith in the fellow posters so damaged. It became a relentless game setting the trap for this guy...but at the end of the day...got the fucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Ah yes.

    I hope that everyone has recovered from this period.

    I felt so bad for a number people during this period of time. It was too bad that so many posters had their faith in the fellow posters so damaged. It became a relentless game setting the trap for this guy...but at the end of the day...got the fucker.
    Rareboy, you're usually not slow on coming forward. Where do you stand on this current situation then? Are you getting a prickly bottom sitting on the fence?
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    This will sound like blasphemy to people on either side of the fence, but I honestly didn't find Andreus...or his story....or his arguments all that interesting and to be totally honest....I more or less ignored the entire thing.

    I never had either an emotional or intellectual connection to this avatar. He might have been everything that many people say he was. He might have been an opportunistic poseur... I'll never know. Because we never exchanged more than a passing acknowledgement of one another.

    I think I came in too late in the unfolding saga to form any opinion.

    Of course, as everyone knows, I loathe any dishonesty, inconsistencies or loose ends...if it seems that others could be hurt in any way by a fraudulent persona, then I will not rest until they are bowed and cowed.

    If an avatar only enriches and enlivens those around them, then I could care less if they are as fake as a Modligiani by Elmer de Hory or a book about Howard Hughes by Clifford Irving.

    So which is Andreus?

    Who knows. Maybe Corny will share his info with me. Maybe I'll put my CSI JUB team on it.

    Or maybe...at the end of the day...it is just a case of a man was born, he lived and he died.
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    What you are saying is dreu is Jesus LOL
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    I have NO Solid Proof to back up what I'm about to say. My pictures of, and emails from, Andreus were all lost in a computer crash. The system I'm on now is not the one I had then, and even at that I'm on my second hard drive with this one!

    As for the PMs, I deleted those, quite some time ago, to make room.

    The only things about that time that I'm SURE of is that Corny, Kahil, MidnightPrism, GL, FrankFrank, Justaguy, and Myself, are, indeed, Real. And, I'm leaning Heavily toward believing all the rest of you are, too.

    SO ... let me share my take on some of the doubts that have been expressed ...

    Demitri: His posting style did come from Andreus who was teaching him English, and had introduced him to JUB. Though the format was the same, I never thought they ever sounded like each other. And, as I recall, Mitri was here on a Student Visa (at B.U. I think). Though his fall down the stairs may have effected his behavioral patterns, it didn't necessarily impact his intellect. Besides, "Papa" was a very successful, international, business man with some very powerful contacts.

    "Papa" was also a very opinionated, stubborn, insufferable tyrant that believed that homosexuality was an Evil, Depraved, CHOICE! End of discussion!! Yes, I'm sure he knew Andreus was Gay (who also likely threw that in his face at every chance he 'safely' got), and Mitri knew darned well NOT to bring it up! Thus, the question about Mitri saying "Papa" didn't know about his Gay sons may well have been an honest assessment from His point of view. I'm sure Andreus 'protected' his brother however he could.

    Andreus was a linguist, never a 'bodyguard'. He was in Iraq carrying out an assignment he'd wrangled as a free-lance correspondent. He caught that bullet by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Though he preferred to stay as Independent from his dad as he could, I also recall a trip he took on behalf of his dad's business interests. Again, as a trusted linguist/interpreter. I'm betting that gig cost The Company a good chunk!

    Though he was adamant about not asking "Papa" for money, he wouldn't hesitate to be reimbursed for 'honest' employment. However, he didn't care to have much contact with The Company, either. Thus, there were times he would run low on cash. And, those were the times he'd use his body to raise what he needed to get by. He was never 'proud' of that, and it was only a means to an end.

    Andreus was also quite opinionated, stubborn, and, at times, insufferable. Something he no doubt got from his dad! Of course, he'd Never admit that!

    I'm sure I'm missing some points, but none of it every struck me as being inconsistent. IF Dreu was a 'puppet', his 'puppeteer' was a Brilliant Genius! Even his posting frequency would alter whenever he was 'out of country'!

    YES! I LIKED the Guy, "Real" or not! I considered myself fortunate to get to know him as well as I did, and I do miss him! I'd also like to know if it was all a ruse. Because, if it was, WOW!, Thank You for the Ride!

    All the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Ah yes.

    I hope that everyone has recovered from this period.

    I felt so bad for a number people during this period of time. It was too bad that so many posters had their faith in the fellow posters so damaged. It became a relentless game setting the trap for this guy...but at the end of the day...got the fucker.
    I remember that time, and the fall out. I got caught by the faker as well & in the aftermath of what I called a "witch hunt" another poster I spoke to much more often was outted as a fake.

    There have been a lot of fakes on here in the years I've been around and he fall out is usually quite damaging to those left behind.

    As to whether Drue was fake I have no opinion. Frankly I avoided him as much as possible.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    There are not many posters to this Thread who were actually around during the period of this saga. In those days JUB members tended to get very much more involved on a personal basis than now. The whole affair was not a happy time for JUB and I still have a considerable reservation of the intentions of some of those involved including why this very old subject should have been 'innocently' raised again? I think it would be better to let the subject be buried as it was in the JUB arcihives rather speculating on who said what many years ago!

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    If memory serves me right, Andreus and I joined JUB close to the same time. I may have had a couple of PM contacts with him, however nothing of any great importance. I only knew him through threads that I followed and enjoyed some of his reactions and loathed some as well. When he posted photos of himself, I was impressed by his physical presence and kept them. I still have them.

    As for his authenticity, I had no reason not to believe that he was who he said he was. Through his postings that I recall he did have an intense intellect and seemingly a great knowledge of many subjects. Whether his knowledge came from experience or from literature, I have no idea. I was impressed nonetheless and did not question his ability to hold an interesting debate.

    This entire thread has been extremely intriguing as well. Corny has a point that is interesting. On one hand we have the doubting Thomas' who fine all sorts of conspiracy and deceit -- Then there are the followers who build an almost miraculous, but flawed being.

    Whatever Andreus was or is, whether in the Great Beyond or still on this plane, he has certainly fulfilled his destiny in creating an entity that is living on through those of us on JUB. Where ever he is, I'm sure he is laughing his head off, watching the turmoil that he has caused. For me, I will just say, Rest In Peace, Andreus....it was fun and as Chaz so aptly put, "Thank you for the Ride!"

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Can anyone show us this mythical person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I agree, Star-warrior. Fakers can do the most extreme damage. I got burnt very badly by a man we'll call "Outsider".

    Outsider posted pictures of a good-looking young man with a tortured soul. I sensed that this man may have suicidal tendencies, and wanted to help him before anything tragic happened. Indeed, during private email communication I'd had with him, he sent me pictures of "himself" slashing his wrists.

    All of this made it seem even more tragic that no one believed him. "How cruel these guys are", I thought."Here is a man whose life in danger, and they're adding insult to injury by denying him the basic dignity of an identity". I saw their attitude as cruelty to point of bullying.

    Things got really really ugly. I have never seen so much drama on JUB before or since, and I'm afraid that I let my concern for him color my own judgment. We all exchanged some very harsh words. Mr. Outsider created a tsunami. One Moderator quit over it, if I recall correctly.

    You can imagine my abject humiliation when someone proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pics were fake. I wasn't the only victim by far. JUB as a whole developed a fissure in it that created a shock wave that reached back for years.

    So I agree with you--fakers do the absolute worst damage.

    I don't know if Andreus was a fake, but if he was, consider this: how much controversy has he caused here and now, in this very thread? The thread's gone on for seven or eight pages now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craiger View Post
    If memory serves me right, Andreus and I joined JUB close to the same time. I may have had a couple of PM contacts with him, however nothing of any great importance. I only knew him through threads that I followed and enjoyed some of his reactions and loathed some as well. When he posted photos of himself, I was impressed by his physical presence and kept them. I still have them.

    As for his authenticity, I had no reason not to believe that he was who he said he was. Through his postings that I recall he did have an intense intellect and seemingly a great knowledge of many subjects. Whether his knowledge came from experience or from literature, I have no idea. I was impressed nonetheless and did not question his ability to hold an interesting debate.

    This entire thread has been extremely intriguing as well. Corny has a point that is interesting. On one hand we have the doubting Thomas' who fine all sorts of conspiracy and deceit -- Then there are the followers who build an almost miraculous, but flawed being.

    Whatever Andreus was or is, whether in the Great Beyond or still on this plane, he has certainly fulfilled his destiny in creating an entity that is living on through those of us on JUB. Where ever he is, I'm sure he is laughing his head off, watching the turmoil that he has caused. For me, I will just say, Rest In Peace, Andreus....it was fun and as Chaz so aptly put, "Thank you for the Ride!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Before today, I felt sure that Outsider made his grand entrance and ignoble exit in 2008, but today Joswanprince tried to send me a PM--and couldn't--because my mailbox had reached its full capacity.

    So I went through some of my old PMs to see which ones I wanted to delete, and sure enough, there they stood: possibly 25 PMs from "Outsider". Contrary to my memory, however, I saw that they had dates stamped on them from 2010--not 2008. Presumably, you had already enrolled by then, Telstra.
    I should know that person then but i have no idea who he was .
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    As for his authenticity, I had no reason not to believe that he was who he said he was.
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    I would think his existence should be quite easy to prove if someone was of a mind to (far easier than to disprove), given that we know his name, his occupation in Boston, that he was involved with charities around Boston, that he died in Athens late 2007 (or thereabouts)and was buried in Crete (I think), his brother's name, that his brother went to university in Boston etc etc. I mean, it's not as though we don't know every intimate detail about his life anyway. I'm almost tempted to offer a reward just to clear the matter up. Or perhaps it's better to just let the matter rest and have us each believe whatever we believe.
    That's my thought for the day.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I have an idea. His name was Andreus Thanos? I know how to check.

    Why didn't anybody think of this before?
    https://twitter.com/AndreasThanos there's someone with the name and correct location and seemingly a related job on Twitter... doesn't seem dead though.

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    ^ Err..... my bad. I just found it on a google search, had no idea that was a woman. LOL.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Well my two cents... I didn't know this guy, and I have only a passing familiarity with his "legacy" from glancing through bits of this thread, and what people have said about him here and there in Hot Topics... he sounds like his impact here was a bit larger than life, and people all seem to unanimously describe him as both intelligent and very attractive.

    To me, just as a passing outsider, that sounds like a too good to be true proposition. And you know what happens with most too good to be true situations... they usually are.

    I have absolutely no vested interest for or against anyone's idea or memory of the guy, like I said just my 2 cents. I think when someone gets deeply invested in a message board community, puts a huge and colorful persona into it, attracts a lot of attention, and then passes away... sadly a great number of those stories, possibly the great majority, are fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^No Dreu Thanos has ever lived in the United States.

    I feel profoundly disappointed right now. I only hope I am wrong about all of this.
    That's interesting Johann? Good thinking.
    Another way of checking, that I've just thought of, would be to do an internet search for his father. He was reputed to be a wealthy, influential businessman, was he not? Surely if there is no mention of him on the internet anywhere then that must say something, I would think???
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I looked under the Social Security Death Index. No Andreus Thanos has ever passed away on American soil with that name. Once again, similar names exist--Andrew Thanos, in particular--but the ages or locations don't watch.
    I think if I have it right, Andreus died in Greece, so that would account for this. But I can't find fault in your other searces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^ A couple of individuals exist under the name Demetrios Thanos, but, once again, either the ages and/or the locations don't match. One Demetrios is 50, I think, and the other one's 80. The Demetrios who's 50 years old lives in Somerset, MA. The location matches (I think Somerset sits near Boston) but he's much too old to be Mitri.
    Oh, and Mitri is reportedly currently in jail in Greece for arson. But if you say no one of those names have ever lived in Boston, then thats another matter, I presume.

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    ^For individuals who have died, one can search the Social Security Death Index. I would assess that index as "accurate", but not "extremely accurate". If a person died and had never gotten a Social Security Card, he will not necessarily appear in the index, nor will a person who has died in the last six months.

    For individuals who still live, several databases exist. My favorite one is Peoplefinders dot com. I'd assess it as "very accurate", but not "extremely accurate". Still, I have found many people in that database that I haven't seen in over 25 years. In all of the years I have consulted it, I have only come up a blank just once (well, twice, if you include this dubious example).

    I deem NexusLexus the single most accurate database for the living. Professional private detectives use that database first; oftentimes, they can find a missing person within 15 minutes. However, you must pay to use it, and I don't want to pay good money to find a mirage.

    Either Andreus gave us all a fake name, lived as an illegal immigrant, or he didn't exist. I see no other alternative.
    If I'm not mistaken did you guys not say his brother was here as a college student? He would have had to have had a visa for that (presuming he was a Greek national), so it's hard to imagine that both of them would have been totally off the paper trail.

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    ^He went by the name Mitri.

    See post #357. I have already done the research for Mitri, Dimitri, or Demetrios Thanos. No dice.
    Right. I pointed it out only because it makes the case that they were here illegally/off the record the least likely of the three possibilities. In fact I think it can only be one of the other two now... they both used pseudonyms, or they were constructs.

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    How many members here disclose their real names even in PMs? This is the internet not the real world! Most of the happenings related to this Thread occured way back in 2006!

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    How many members here disclose their real names even in PMs? This is the internet not the real world! Most of the happenings related to this Thread occured way back in 2006!
    Read the thread from the start. I think there is little doubt his real name was supposed to be Andreus Thanos, as Boston Pirate said he knew him in real life.
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    If Andreus died in Greece, the databases would show him as a living person for seven years. Only five have passed.
    Ok. Thanks for looking all this up!

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    So can we call it official? He was a bullshitter, a con artist, and he got his yuks pretending to be a hot, brilliant, well-hung Greek god dying of AIDS. Those who were intelligent enough to see through the facade can high-five each other, and they can take time (years if they so desire) to mock those who fell for his internet sob story.

    Well, that was fun. Who next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    So can we call it official? He was a bullshitter, a con artist, and he got his yuks pretending to be a hot, brilliant, well-hung Greek god dying of AIDS. Those who were intelligent enough to see through the facade can high-five each other, and they can take time (years if they so desire) to mock those who fell for his internet sob story.

    Well, that was fun. Who next?

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    lol ....... this thread is getting ridiculously speculative


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^For individuals who have died, one can search the Social Security Death Index. I would assess that index as "accurate", but not "extremely accurate". If a person died and had never gotten a Social Security Card, he will not necessarily appear in the index, nor will a person who has died in the last six months.

    For individuals who still live, several databases exist. My favorite one is Peoplefinders dot com. I'd assess it as "very accurate", but not "extremely accurate". Still, I have found many people in that database that I haven't seen in over 25 years. In all of the years I have consulted it, I have only come up a blank just once (well, twice, if you include this dubious example).

    I deem NexusLexus the single most accurate database for the living. Professional private detectives use that database first; oftentimes, they can find a missing person within 15 minutes. However, you must pay to use it, and I don't want to pay good money to find a mirage.

    Either Andreus gave us all a fake name, lived as an illegal immigrant, or he didn't exist. I see no other alternative.
    If you look at Mexico as an example, most illegals don't use real identification. On top of that, some states have a "don't ask don't tell" policy to verifying ID for employment/services if it LOOKS real (enough).
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    Just for anyone who wants to know what he looked apparently looked like.
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    ...or Didn't.

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    And the newbies wonder why people rallied around him.

    ...yes, yes, I know - you didn't care what he looked like. You loved his soul.

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    Just for anyone who wants to know what he looked apparently looked like.
    I've never seen this pic before and he looked like a model.
    Professional photo with a professional camera.


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    ^ not necessarily
    But it look like it's a scan from a picture that's been folded (you can see the folding line on the 2 pillars and just below the pecs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    ^ not necessarily
    But it look like it's a scan from a picture that's been folded (you can see the folding line on the 2 pillars and just below the pecs)
    yeah it is a scanned photo but still from a professional camera.
    Maybe from a magazine somewhere ?


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    Just for anyone who wants to know what he looked apparently looked like.
    Andreus never claimed that was a photo of himself. It is a European football player he evidently fancied. Shows up easily on tineye if you want the name. But he no more claimed that was him than I claim to have posed for Rodin to sculpt me in my avatar.

    He rarely posted face pix on Jub and never left them up. But I recall him being slightly more androgynous and fit but more slightly built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craiger View Post
    Through his postings that I recall he did have an intense intellect and seemingly a great knowledge of many subjects.
    He was certainly adept at using google and wikipedia.

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    I thought his avatar body pic was his.
    His avatar pic looks like a muscular big guy with a huge penis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CottonBolus View Post
    I just did a reverse image check of this photo and came up with the name Juan Martin Berberian. Here are more photos from Juan:


    I see that someone thought to check.

    ..this is why I noted 'or Didn't' in the post following the one with the pic to see if anyone would catch the connection.

    The pic I posted was from his Blog Page.

    I thought it might encourage someone here to dig deeper and to pull up an actual pic of Andreus.

    Maybe one day we'll find out more about his 'Rosebud'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Those who were intelligent enough to see through the facade can high-five each other, and they can take time (years if they so desire) to mock those who fell for his internet sob story.
    Well, personally I think Hoodedrat should be congratulated for questioning, knowing that he would be facing a storm of protest. If he hadn't had the balls to say what he did, Andreus might well be walking on water right now.

    As for my part, there won't be any high fives. My part was particularly unpleasant because I feel I've contributed to hurting some people that I like. But don't, for a minute, lay any blame at Hoodrat's or Corny's or my feet. Let's not forget what has happened here. Go back to the thread when Andreus announced he was HIV+ and see how many people commiserated and cried for him. There was even one guy who told us all that he too was HIV+ out of respect. And for what? And how many of the dozens who commiserated with Andreus, said a word for this fellow? Just one. The real guy with HIV is worth a million fakers. And I fell for it too. Disappointing.

    Rant over.

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    Perhaps, as a suggestion, Boston Pirate can come back on and tell us the truth about his own circumstances, and then we can all start from scratch?

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    This will sound like blasphemy to people on either side of the fence, but I honestly didn't find Andreus...or his story....or his arguments all that interesting and to be totally honest....I more or less ignored the entire thing.

    I never had either an emotional or intellectual connection to this avatar. He might have been everything that many people say he was. He might have been an opportunistic poseur... I'll never know. Because we never exchanged more than a passing acknowledgement of one another.
    Me too. And I've been around here forever. I recognized the name but never really interacted.

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    Fell for what? People are acting like they can reasonably conclude he was a fake. Whether he was or wasn't there is nothing here to corroborate that.

    So don't anyone feel like you we're taken in by your own gullibility. This thread shows how people can be taken in by their own paranoia and cynicism.
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    Justaguy -

    Why don't you tell us your experiences with Andreus, so we can better understand your unyielding obsession and infatuation.

    What did he do to you that was so heinous that you just can't seem to drop it and let it go, and move on with your life?

    If I was as obsessed with every poser and liar I came across on the internet, I'd spend several lifetime's hunting them all down.

    Some people are evil. No matter what you find out about them, it won't explain why they did what they did. Fun? Amusement? Insecurities? Bored? You'll never get the answers and peace you're looking for. In all likely hood, they themselves can't even answer those questions.
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