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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    And it still never ceases to amaze me how much people would stick up for someone no matter what they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    And it still never ceases to amaze me how much people would stick up for someone no matter what they did.
    Unconditional love/friendship, Tomba.

    However, I'd love to know what situation and what JUBbers you've referred to. I find your comment ^ very intriguing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    And it still never ceases to amaze me how much people would stick up for someone no matter what they did.
    Some day when you make a big mistake and hope that others have sympathy for the things you have done you will understand that forgiveness is not a weakness. It is a strength.

    Faking a persona is not committing a murder. It is being an internet asshole. Which isn't much fun to run into but we all survive the event. Pick your battles Tomba.

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    ^Presumably we do still draw the line at a Dahmer or a Gaddafi though, right?

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    ^Presumably we do still draw the line at a Dahmer or a Gaddafi though, right?


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    Yeah I had my doubts about those two. Couldn't quite put my finger on it, but something was always eating at me….
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    ^Presumably we do still draw the line at a Dahmer or a Gaddafi though, right?

    -d-
    No I am totally down for forgiving Dahmer. Gaddafi. Hitler even.

    I suppose to many of you the act of defying people on an Internet site is equal to eating someone's face off or mass genocide.

    Duly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    Some day when you make a big mistake and hope that others have sympathy for the things you have done you will understand that forgiveness is not a weakness. It is a strength.

    Faking a persona is not committing a murder. It is being an internet asshole. Which isn't much fun to run into but we all survive the event. Pick your battles Tomba.
    I do have sympathy for people. But I am sorry I am not willing to forgive the possibility of someone who strings along other people emotionally for their own amusement. Whether Andreus was real or not isn't really what bothers me, it's the fact that people are pretty much excusing it and enabling these actions if this in fact wasn't all true.

    On one hand you have people that are saying you shouldn't expect honesty and all that on the internet, but the very same people are criticizing those who are finding skepticism about an online persona.

    Also, to note I have already made some pretty big mistakes in my life and very much appreciate to an endless extent for the people who were willing to forgive me for the things I did to them.

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    ^Did Andreus string people along?

    I never saw that.

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    Man, I find this thread absolutely fascinating! I haven't been around her too long but through this thread and my many PMs with certain individuals, even I know the truth now. Incredible!

    Yes, the internet is the internet. No truth to be found here. Down right scary.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    ...even I know the truth now. Incredible!...
    I don't....

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I don't....

    Did you get my reply to your private message?

    I really don’t know if it went through.

    A simple yes or no, here, or via post comment is all you need do.

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    Andreus and I rarely got along. He was a self-destructive and unpleasant person who reveled in attention. Ultimately, his self-destructive behavior reflected on his untimely end. I still cared for his life though and pleaded with him not to go on that stupid fast when he was sick. He willingly wasted his life when he was perfectly capable of taking care of himself and living longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Man, I find this thread absolutely fascinating! I haven't been around her too long but through this thread and my many PMs with certain individuals, even I know the truth now. Incredible!

    Yes, the internet is the internet. No truth to be found here. Down right scary.
    You know more than I do then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Did you get my reply to your private message? …
    Yes, just now, Kahaih. What an amzing story. I guess it's like Armistead Maupin's The Night Listener .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Andreus and I rarely got along. He was a self-destructive and unpleasant person who reveled in attention. Ultimately, his self-destructive behavior reflected on his untimely end. I still cared for his life though and pleaded with him not to go on that stupid fast when he was sick. He willingly wasted his life when he was perfectly capable of taking care of himself and living longer.
    If the fast pertains to Ramadan, it actually ends each day at sunset.

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    "Andreus Thanos"

    Thanos is a fictional character appearing in Marvel Comics.

    Thanatos is the daemon personification of death in Greek mythology.

    Tadziu in the beautiful boy which leads into obsession and death in Thomas Mann's Death in Venice. His mother called him Tadzio but his boyfriends called him Tadziu.

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    When he spoke his name, he never spoke with the 's' on the end. he dropped s all the time when speaking, something to do with the dialect of arabic he learned being northern Iraqi. I don't remember the whole story.… it just sounded a bit lispy.…
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_i...he_real_Tadzio
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Man, I find this thread absolutely fascinating! I haven't been around her too long but through this thread and my many PMs with certain individuals, even I know the truth now. Incredible!

    Yes, the internet is the internet. No truth to be found here. Down right scary.
    MIkey, I like to quote The Rashoman Effect when we discuss complex individuals.

    I think Andreus personifies the Rashoman Effect. Each JUBber saw him differently, based on his own life experiences, who he'd known in his life, etc.

    You can see the vast array of opinions about him in this very thread, ranging all the way from Demi-God to insidious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    I do have sympathy for people. But I am sorry I am not willing to forgive the possibility of someone who strings along other people emotionally for their own amusement. Whether Andreus was real or not isn't really what bothers me, it's the fact that people are pretty much excusing it and enabling these actions if this in fact wasn't all true.

    On one hand you have people that are saying you shouldn't expect honesty and all that on the internet, but the very same people are criticizing those who are finding skepticism about an online persona.

    Also, to note I have already made some pretty big mistakes in my life and very much appreciate to an endless extent for the people who were willing to forgive me for the things I did to them.
    Having been strung along by posters on this site myself, I need to keep things in perspective and use the forgiveness method or I will never get over the events.

    I enter JUB with the conspiracy theory that there are 7 total posters all with different personas that make up the 100 or so that actively post. Every day I assume another poster is a sock puppet. Whether or not that's true I won't ever really know but I can't go around accusing every poster of being someone else, or being fake, just because I have doubts.

    Forgiving isn't condoning. It is coming to terms with the fact that I may never know if the person I am connecting with here is real or not. And I have to decide for myself if I am OK with that. But it isn't up to me or you our anyone else to make that decision for the person(s) involved.

    I am speaking from experience here. You know very well that this is a new revelation for me. You know that I would be right behind you with a pitchfork on the witch-hunt brigade in the past. But as I said, experience has shown me that I can either lose my mind being upset for getting strung along or I can forgive and move on.

    Do not feel bad for those that are strung along by a fake. Feel bad for the faker who can only gather a following if they pretend to be someone else. Some people do it for maliciousness, most do it because they can't imagine they will be liked for being themselves.

    All that being said, you have every right to feel the way you do about it all. But please do not mistake my passive attitude about this subject as me letting anyone get away with deception. That is not the case. I am simply much less concerned with whether or not I am speaking to a real or fake person and much more concerned with whether I am OK with not knowing.
    Last edited by stacy; November 25th, 2012 at 06:58 PM.

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    Considering that he posted 70 times in the first 5 pages of this thread, BostonPirate has been remarkably taciturn lately.

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    My opinion isn't based on the perecption of recollection. It is based on what and HOW certian things were said to me in PMs, on various topics by posters on this thread, in particular by one poster on this thread who claimed to be close to Andreus. He revealed Andreus' MI. I was very recently approached one here by the exact same MI.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    ^ mi ?
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    Modus operandi.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    If the fast pertains to Ramadan, it actually ends each day at sunset.
    As well, it says in the Quran that people who are ill/physically incapabable of fasting and those who are in the midst of traveling are exempt from fasting. They can either make up the days they miss during Ramadan at a later date and, if they are unable to, they can do righteous deeds (big or small) on each missed day like feeding the poor and donating to charities, helping someone in need, whatever they can do within their means, etc. Fasting is about learning self-restraint and having a greater appreciation for what it's like to go without food and other basic necessities.

    Someone dying of AIDs would not be required to fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Modus operandi.
    LOL!!! BF= brain fart.

    MI= MO= modus operandi

    Also I know many devout muslim diabetics. They cannot fast accordingly during Ramadan, and it is not an issue to their beliefs in the least.
    Last edited by mikey3000; November 25th, 2012 at 07:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    Considering that he posted 70 times in the first 5 pages of this thread, BostonPirate has been remarkably taciturn lately.
    I feel certain that he feels shocked, dismayed, and probably absolutely bewildered by the doubts expressed about Andreus's identity.

    I can relate. This thread, even for me, reminds me of the novel Animal Farm. "What you see is not the color brown, it's acually white; 'up' is really 'down'", and so on. Double-speak.

    HoodedRat, if it is indeed the truth that Andreus was a sockpuppet, I feel at a loss to explain all the pictures I saw of him. If somebody had stolen them for the purposes of identity theft, surely by now someone would have backtraced them. You don't run into a 10-inch member every day.

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    The much ballyhooed forgiveness is actually part of a philosophy of trust, not to be confused with naivete or a passion for lost causes. There are many people like me, who prefer to trust others until we have reason not to.

    If Dreu was a fake persona, then so be it. My world would not be shattered, nor even disillusioned. One of the consequences of being trusting is that we get taken from time to time. But, guess what? The world is a more beautiful place, even with the deceivers that get to us. We see the world as mostly good, and usually we are not betrayed nor disappointed.

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    Ok i admit it, you caught me, I am Andreus.
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    I can tell you I've been hit on, argued with, put upon for money, small-talked, fast-talked….and I don't think I've ever heard an original story in a long time.

    This thread has so far revealed more to me about pettiness and paranoia from a number of directions than any "MI" about past JUBbers. I await something substantive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    No I am totally down for forgiving Dahmer. Gaddafi. Hitler even.
    ...right.

    I'm beginning to see why you had such a tough time on here in the beginning.

    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    I suppose to many of you the act of defying people on an Internet site is equal to eating someone's face off or mass genocide.

    Duly noted.
    Far from it.

    However, there does come a time where you start thinking "again with this persistent fuckery? Surely by NOW s/he ought to know better..." and that willingness to overlook - let alone forgive - dwindles rapidly. Actions ----> consequences ---(hopefully)---> lessons learned, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    Considering that he posted 70 times in the first 5 pages of this thread, BostonPirate has been remarkably taciturn lately.
    BostonPirate has been remarkable busy with Thanksgiving at his husbands house. Just a reminder gentlemen, as you sort out who and what you think are real and unreal, that people do occasionally walk away from their computer.

    If anyone has unearthed evidence that Andreus is not dead, or that Mitri was Enchanted, please send me a message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Man, I find this thread absolutely fascinating! I haven't been around her too long but through this thread and my many PMs with certain individuals, even I know the truth now. Incredible!

    Yes, the internet is the internet. No truth to be found here. Down right scary.

    can you tell me by PMs ? I wanna know LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    BostonPirate has been remarkable busy with Thanksgiving....
    Ahhhhh!!!! You slipped up! Caught you referring to Boston Pirate in the third person when you were logged in as him!!!!!!!! It's a conspiracy people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Ahhhhh!!!! You slipped up! Caught you referring to Boston Pirate in the third person when you were logged in as him!!!!!!!! It's a conspiracy people!
    HA! If only. Good to see a sane member still here.
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    Almost at the 7th page
    You go Andreus

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Ahhhhh!!!! You slipped up! Caught you referring to Boston Pirate in the third person when you were logged in as him!!!!!!!! It's a conspiracy people!
    "Pettiness."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    "Pettiness."
    An admission?
    Or an accusation, with all the gravitas as can be mustered by the tin foil hat brigade in this thread.


    I would love to be as indignant as everyone here about being duped; I'm not big on letting bygones be bygones when people fake their deaths, and I wouldn't think just because it's the internet that it furnishes some kind of excuse for that.

    I just don't see where that occurred. Most of this "Andreus is fake" diatribe is just nakedly wishful thinking, wrapped in a sense of entitlement on the part of those who feel that to accuse is to prove.

    What little has been proffered in the way of proof seems astonishingly flimsy. At least in the open thread. If people have something more substantive in their private messages they should a) not be astonished that the rest of us aren't buying something we've never seen b) consider posting it as proof of Code of Conduct violations on the part of a former/current member. Last I checked, multiple simultaneous accounts are not allowed. Or c) at the very least forward any such information to a moderator; private messages are also subject to moderation and to the code of conduct.

    Other than that, the only stuff I've read in the open thread has all the integrity required to convict a witch at Salem.

    Until someone comes forward with some actual evidence, this strikes me as a very tasteless and cavalier offence against the memory of a real person, and against the integrity of those who knew him online or in the real world.
    Last edited by bankside; November 26th, 2012 at 11:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Ahhhhh!!!! You slipped up! Caught you referring to Boston Pirate in the third person ...
    It's a psychological syndrome used by drag queens and others

    http://www.petermanseye.com/communit...e-myself-and-i
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illeism

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    Besides his blog, what did Andreus do for a living?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It's a psychological syndrome used by drag queens and others

    http://www.petermanseye.com/communit...e-myself-and-i
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illeism
    One of these articles notes that The Rock frequently uses illeism. If this is due to arrogance, I certainly can believe it. I have met him in person. I consider him drop-dead gorgeous (he's exceptionally tall) but one of the most arrogant men I have ever met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Besides his blog, what did Andreus do for a living?
    He worked as a male stripper for gay clubs at least part of the time. Some of the time, he also worked in customer service. I have forgotten in what capacity.


    Some of the JUBbers have said that they have uncovered credible evidence to suggest that someone invented Andreus as a sockpuppet. While I feel prepared to entertain such a possibility, I cannot get past those pictures.

    I saw those pictures with my own eyes, and if my years of experience on JUB give any indication, phonies who post pictures have gotten exposed as frauds 100% of the time.

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    Boy, I just went through all this thread and what a soap opera.

    I lurked on LMAO, (that's before JUB, young'uns) and got on JUB with JR the owner, and many others, I think in 2003 or there abouts. Could have been 2002.

    My first contact was with a Jubber names Michael Luc I think, and then Hooded Rat. Hoody at the time had several small furry friends and explained to me what was involved in raising them.

    If memory serves me right, Michael left for a mail related job and I see Hoody is still here.

    Yes I knew Dreu from reading his posts and exchanging PM's with him a few times. His death was a very real loss to me. After reading all the thread, I don't believe it was a sham.

    If it was... well I got taken.... Some of the older Jub members will remember the guy who had servants, and cars etc..... then got caught in his lies. That one went on for a good while.

    Oh yes, JUB has seen quite a few.

    I will continue to read HT as often as I can and still enjoy all the dramas.

    No I am not Andreu

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    He worked as a male stripper for gay clubs at least part of the time. Some of the time, he also worked in customer service. I have forgotten in what capacity.
    No, he claimed something else.


    I saw those pictures with my own eyes, and if my years of experience on JUB give any indication, phonies who post pictures have gotten exposed as frauds 100% of the time.
    No.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribune View Post
    If it was... well I got taken.... Some of the older Jub members will remember the guy who had servants, and cars etc..... then got caught in his lies. That one went on for a good while.
    Did it? I remember it, but I thought he was caught red-handed pretty fast. Also I just remembered the older guy who kept posting those pics with ridiculously huge (and badly) photoshopped dicks and claimed they are real. When I told him that this is annoying and that they are obviously not real he threw a hissy fit and flooded almost every thread on JUB with something like "corny has no clue and is an ass". IIRC JD banned him and spend hours cleaning the shit up. And he returned a few times, fuming with rage and claiming that all his pics are real. I believe he got the first IP ban ever
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    ^That's the point, Corny. It seems like you guys always catch the frauds. It also seems to me that you'd have caught Andreus, if he had been a fake.

    You do know your computers. I bet you have caught many fakes over the years.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    @Tribune

    Michael_Luc is here he just doesn't post often and he is under a different name.

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    Actually, back then, I had several pieces of evidence and was just waiting for him to make another mistake. Even after his death, I stumbled over two more things that didn't add up. But I saw this as over. Until this started now again. And now, some of the stuff being said right now, doesn't add up either. But I only expose people when I'm a 100% sure and when I have proof. Something that you should have learned from a past debacle.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    On this thread that "Andreus" himself started, he clearly states that he works in emergency situations in an emergency room.

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...tell-me-a-joke

    Hmmm...
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Actually, back then, I had several pieces of evidence and was just waiting for him to make another mistake. Even after his death, I stumbled over two more things that didn't add up. But I saw this as over. Until this started now again. And now, some of the stuff being said right now, doesn't add up either. But I only expose people when I'm a 100% sure and when I have proof. Something that you should have learned from a past debacle.
    I did learn, Corny. Seldom in my life have I ever felt so humiliated.

    I consider you and T-Rexx the smartest computer whizzes on JUB, and if either one of you had concrete evidence that Andreus was a fake, I'd believe you. I'd feel profoundly disappointed, but I'd believe either one of you.

    It would beg some other questions, though. Who was he really? Somebody had to type the words.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    On this thread that "Andreus" himself started, he clearly states that he works in emergency situations in an emergency room.

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...tell-me-a-joke

    Hmmm...
    My memory of his working in customer service could be faulty. So many years have passed....

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