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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Kahil could clear this all up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Its not normal to response like this if you are not Andreus.
    Its normal to laugh and have fun if the accusation is not true.
    Who has laughed besides you? Where would that be?

    Believe me, I am not amused, and you are one of the people that I find most disturbing.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Joeking View Post
    Kahil could clear this all up.
    That's actually not a bad idea. All it needs is a date and place of death. If I can get that info, I'll see if I can get the death certificate. I'd like to clear it up in my own mind.
    Last edited by justaguy; November 21st, 2012 at 05:18 PM.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    I completely get what your saying.

    I mean I do expect to see people exaggerating or lying or fabricating about who they are. I've met quite a few people from the internet, a few from JUB, a few from online games, etc. I think what gets me is the extent of it, if it turned out to be true. People do form connections and these people take advantage of the people who aren't as cautious as you might be. Kind of like a bully picking out a "weaker" kid because he/she is the easier target. So even if I am not a person affected by the person lying about something, I can't help but feel very aggravated that someone would use someones feelings and emotions to this extent for their own entertainment.

    And let be re-state to say I am talking about this hypothetically, if all of this turned out to be a lie. I am not saying it most definitely is I just have my own skepticism about it.

    --

    And man I forgot all about Kahil, that really, really brings me back on here.
    Hypothetically?

    Hypothetically you are doing the exact thing you profess you are trying to stop. You're outrageous. This for you is revenge, as it is the other aliases that are on the attack in this thread.

    I have my own skepticisms about you as well, champ.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    So if I get the gist of this thread, the entire forum is populated by two or three people with multiple aliases.
    Damnit, that was me. Forgot to sign out as Ashy and back in as Lex. Sorry 'bout that.

    Lex

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    So if I get the gist of this thread, the entire forum is populated by two or three people with multiple aliases.
    Apparently so. Apparently everyone is someone else and was someone else. FOur of them now have come forward, and somehow they are using this as proof that someone ELSE is not to be trusted. And Oh yeah...No one is real until the group votes, and everyone gets to act like escapees from a nut house because when Andreus was alive he took too much attention from them?

    I mean really. It's the worst display I've seen of the worst behavior that humanity has to offer. That it's done by them in a bizarre hunt for obsessive justice is the icing on the cake.

    I am at a total loss.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    BP, do you have an approximate date of death please, say within 3 or 4 days either way, and a place of death in Greece. That way we can clear it up, and I will humbly apologise to you. And I, for one, will rest knowing that the incredible story was actually real.
    <edit> You should probably add his full name as well.
    Last edited by justaguy; November 21st, 2012 at 05:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Sorry, I can't find a picture of him on my computer, guys.

    I will check with a moderator or admin to make sure that it's ok, and if it is, I will scan the picture of him I have on the wall in my office and post it tomorrow. ...
    that'd be interesting

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    I find the idea of looking up the death certificate of an internet stranger to prove a point on a discussion forum to require no rebuttal other than to simply draw attention to the statement.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    BP, do you have an approximate date of death please, say within 3 or 4 days either way, and a place of death in Greece. That way we can clear it up, and I will humbly apologise to you.
    I don't know you and I have NO reason to trust you. NONE.

    IF you are a stalker of some sort of his, then you are the LAST person I will be disclosing personal info about to. It's just that simple. You didn't know him by your own estimation. He was a major part of your life for years and yet he never NOTICED YOU?

    Are you kidding me?

    And you want his death certificate? Really? Don't you think international courts will be involved in that endeavor?
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I find the idea of looking up the death certificate of an internet stranger to prove a point on a discussion forum to require no rebuttal other than to simply draw attention to the statement.
    In NZ anyone can order anyone's death certificate. BP has already told us everything he knows of his life.
    All the same, I actually wouldn't need to get the certificate itself. It would be in the indexes.
    Although I guess it does sound a bit morbid when I think about it.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    I'm bored today, big day tomorrow, and read this entire thread. Sad, very sad. I have no idea who you all are talking about but it is very strange for someone who has not been around in a long while. I have met many fascinating people in my life but no one that would cause me so much angst. Bp professes to have known this fellow and I am at a loss as to why anyone would doubt what knowledge he felt comfortable sharing. All the talk of the aliases is what is truly sad. What purpose does it serve to pretend to be someone else? I wouldn't want to meet said individuals.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by justaguy View Post
    BP, do you have an approximate date of death please, say within 3 or 4 days either way, and a place of death in Greece. That way we can clear it up, and I will humbly apologise to you. And I, for one, will rest knowing that the incredible story was actually real.
    <edit> You should probably add his full name as well.
    I think giving out someone's full name, alive or dead would be a major faux pas. The guy is dead. Let him rest in peace. And if he's not dead, ultimately, what does it really matter? Let it go, and move on.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    And say you find it in the index. Then presumably a "sorry bro", and everything's hunky dory. You of course will maintain your anonymity, since that's not to be questioned.

    Actually, no. I do question it. I demand to see your birth certificate.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    IF you are a stalker of some sort of his, then you are the LAST person I will be disclosing personal info about to. It's just that simple. You didn't know him by your own estimation. He was a major part of your life for years and yet he never NOTICED YOU?
    What makes you think he never noticed me? I'm assuming he didn't, but I have no idea. He posted with me. We commented on each others posts.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by justaguy View Post
    In NZ anyone can order anyone's death certificate. BP has already told us everything he knows of his life.
    All the same, I actually wouldn't need to get the certificate itself. It would be in the indexes.
    Although I guess it does sound a bit morbid when I think about it.
    What nations did he die in, have you considered that? I don't believe it is New Zealand.

    What nations do not allow biohazards to be shipped in and out of its ports and which do? Answer those questions, and if you find he is alive, I will reduce what chances he has at a happy life to nill for the rest of his existence.

    But you can't and you wont.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Ok guys. I have taken your points on board. T'was a suggestion, but your points are fair enough.
    I will leave it there.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    There was another guy from the south that he really liked, but his brother and his health sort of took that away.


    Dreu was certainly something special.


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightPrism View Post


    Dreu was certainly something special.
    The handsome southern gentleman I presume? You are the rare unicorn that got his attention. Fascinating.

    He was infatuated with you. You brought him a lot of joy when he was unreachable to all of us.

    Thank you.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Handsome southern gentleman? That might be the biggest compliment I have ever received Chatting with Dreu helped get both of us through several rough spots.

    Oddly enough, Kahil and I are friends on several social networking sites.


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    He just chose to stop participating here ((or was banned permanently). I've been around too long to remember.

    The internet is what it is. There will always be mistrust, people using fake personas, and people being accused as fakes.


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    ^^ A very good note on which to close this thread, IMHO!

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Who has laughed besides you? Where would that be?

    Believe me, I am not amused, and you are one of the people that I find most disturbing.
    That is a LOL coz it is not true.


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by justaguy View Post
    That's actually not a bad idea. All it needs is a date and place of death. If I can get that info, I'll see if I can get the death certificate. I'd like to clear it up in my own mind.
    Nah thats go too far. Let it rest.
    Its only the internet for goodness sake.


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I'm bored today, big day tomorrow, and read this entire thread. Sad, very sad. I have no idea who you all are talking about but it is very strange for someone who has not been around in a long while. I have met many fascinating people in my life but no one that would cause me so much angst. Bp professes to have known this fellow and I am at a loss as to why anyone would doubt what knowledge he felt comfortable sharing. All the talk of the aliases is what is truly sad. What purpose does it serve to pretend to be someone else? I wouldn't want to meet said individuals.
    I wasn't skeptical.
    It was Hooderat's idea that brings the skeptics out of me because he is an experienced JUBBER.


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    I have NO doubts that Dreu, Mitri, and Kahil (previously known as "Curious George"), were, and are, quite Real! I also contend that BP and MP actually exist, too! And, NO!, none of them post like the others! And, Enchanted being Dreu? Not even a shadow thereof!

    I would 'banter' with Adreus, and Kahil, in thread posts. But, then Dreu and I would move to PMs. And he was a more 'gentle' guy in Private. We had a lot of interesting discussions. We chatted about many things beyond the realms of JUB. His loss left a small hole in my heart, even though I was never fortunate enough to have met him IRL. He was very kind to this Old Guy!

    I also chatted with Mitri a bit. I was not aware of his 'challenges'. After Dreu's passing, I forwarded Mitri one of Dreu's PMs, talking about what he thought of his younger brother. Mitri replied that he had no idea how Dreu really felt about him. I thought it was the least I could do.

    Yep, Folks! I'm fairly sure all these guys are/were Real! Well ... at least as 'Real' as any of us are.

    All the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    As far as I'm concerned, I've been bitten by a JUB fake previously, hence my nastiness in this thread, which isn't really my nature, and which I apologise for.

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    As it turns out, I do have four pictures that Drue posted. Although he has tats and piercings, he looks very young.

    The embedded info says they’re from 2004. There is also some other info embedded in them, so I won’t be putting them up on this or any other site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    .... I will scan the picture of him I have on the wall in my office and post it tomorrow. ..
    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    As it turns out, I do have four pictures that Drue posted. .. There is also some other info embedded in them, so I won’t be putting them up on this or any other site.
    Excuses, excuses!!

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    I remember all this drama (I had a profile back then)

    I never knew if he was real or fake. I remember he got shot overseas and recovered, then got diagnosed with HIV.

    I also remember that his brother joined and posted before he died.

    He first was dating this guy (just googled for his old blog) http://www.beautifulmag.com/beautifu...ful_blogg.html

    the guy was banned from JUB and they broke up. Then he was dating this guy http://midnightprism.blogspot.com when he died



    It was like a soap opera

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Wait...

    So Enchanted quite happily put up with all the shit and drama and accusations and sniping directly at him associated with his other threads, but after starting THIS one and all its mudslinging he decided to self-delete?

    The mind boggles.

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    ^ Very well put, Hard-up1!
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    Wow,I discoverd something very interesting about this case.
    Still,maybe it's to early to open my mouth,as I'm not completly sure.Maybe it's only coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sex Kitten View Post
    Wow,I discoverd something very interesting about this case.
    Still,maybe it's to early to open my mouth,as I'm not completly sure.Maybe it's only coincidence.
    ON another site, that would be called "vaguebooking."

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    I don't want to lose good friends because of my views, but I'm actually quite passionate about this.

    I've only always been on JUB to make connections with real gay and bisexual people. When Andreus was going through his problems, I actually thought about him quite a bit. I don't believe that to be fair, if it wasn't true. Sure there's stuff like sloppyseconds around, but he's obvious and is not connecting with other jubbers, or impacting on their lives.

    There really is heaps of stuff to make me sceptical, even in this thread.

    For example, he was supposed to be conscious of his body, not thinking it was good enough, and yet he apparently enjoyed walking around nude in front of others. Doesn't make sense.

    Mitri has a mental disability, and yet after Andreus' death, he travels from Greece to the United States to live (let alone whether immigration would even let him in). And then do you guys remember when Andreus was in hospital, how we were all so concerned we rallied around organising a card from JUB to send to the hospital? Mitri came on and told us not to do it because his parents didn't know Andreus was gay. And yet in this thread, his father apparently blamed Andreus for making Mitri gay. Which is it? The father knew or the father didn't know? And also with Mitri's disability, although in broken English, his posts were always very intelligent, and in the same short, one paragraph sentence, posting style as Andreus

    There is much more I can say, but these are the sorts of things that have made me sceptical. I also think it fair that its ok to express such scepticism. I much prefer to find to truth, if there is doubt. Kahil having websites doesn't cut it.
    Last edited by justaguy; November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 AM.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Before I decide to reveal something,I have to talk with some people on here that knew him better.
    And,don't pm me.I know who I have to talk with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sex Kitten View Post
    Wow,I discoverd something very interesting about this case.
    Still,maybe it's to early to open my mouth,as I'm not completly sure.Maybe it's only coincidence.
    There seem to be a Lot of 'coincidences'. And, though I'd be interested in hearing more about them, I'm still thinking they are all simply that ... Coincidences! Then again ... what do ANY of "Us" REALLY Know for Sure sure?

    Another thing I'd like to hear about is how You became interested in all of this in the First place.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by justaguy View Post
    I don't want to lose good friends because of my views, but I'm actually quite passionate about this.

    There is much more I can say, but these are the sorts of things that have made me sceptical. I also think it fair that its ok to express such scepticism. I much prefer to find to truth, if there is doubt. Kahil having websites doesn't cut it.
    There is NO reason you should loose "good friends" because of your views! Because, if that should happen, then they weren't "friends" to begin with, let alone "good" ones!

    Good Friends encourage each other to freely express themselves!

    Granted, I'm not as skeptical when perhaps I should be. However, that's just not My nature. No one has to Earn my Trust. Everyone has that until they do something to lose it. And, even then, it takes quite a bit to accomplish that. And, given the nature of the internet, I'll also grant I may be being too naive/optimistic!

    I guess ... all the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

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    ^
    Good-bye

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    But you're almost in quadruple digits!

    Lex

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    Odd that you're one of the current JUBbers I've met in the flesh. So you know I'm real (on some level). Maybe The rest of JUB s my own creation. If so, any suggestions or pointers?

    Lex

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    It's like a furry convention, or sci-fi, or cosplay. We all dress up in the outfit we want before joining in. And it's not always clear how much the costume reflects the wearer. And sometimes people decide they love the costume, and it puts the wearer in a bind. Do they keep the costume on, or do they start revealing who's wearing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post

    I don't think it's good to feel duped by the people that "get" us. Or weary of making connections to others in the future. If you really wanted to make real and true connections you would go to a public bar, club, sports event, something that brings real people in the flesh to gather together and share a common hobby or whatnot.
    The bars *I* have been to, those people might be "in the flesh", but VERY FEW of them are any more 'real' then the cyber manifestations here. Often times those people also put on the face of whom they wish they were, hiding the baggage and insecurities and self doubts that make up who they really are on a day to day basis.

    Anyone can be civil for a couple hours/short term.

    Back stabbers and parasites are all over, in cyber space, and in real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    You cannot get pissed off at anyone for not being real on the Internet. This isn't the local watering hole. It's a place where people come to be hidden, to be not themselves. That's a lesson I had to learn the hard way.
    I actually think for a lot of people it's the opposite. JUB is a place some gay guys come to to first explore the real them. It's a place where people can come to to connect to the gay world, and then hopefully discover it's not as scary as they originally thought (as far as some of the forums go anyway - other forums are just where they can look at some dirty pics). It's far better to have real gay and bisexual jubbers, and their real lives, however mundane they are. I know most of the people I know on here are real because their lives are just as mundane as mine. If they are godlike in appearance, mannerisms and personality, they have gone to Iraq as a bodyguard, been shot, become a prostitute, stop taking antivirals during ramadan, drop your brother downs some stairs giving him a head injury, and disappear without telling anyone (as an example), thats when you have to start wondering about realness.
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    ^Presumably we do still draw the line at a Dahmer or a Gaddafi though, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    ^Presumably we do still draw the line at a Dahmer or a Gaddafi though, right?


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    Yeah I had my doubts about those two. Couldn't quite put my finger on it, but something was always eating at me….

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    Man, I find this thread absolutely fascinating! I haven't been around her too long but through this thread and my many PMs with certain individuals, even I know the truth now. Incredible!

    Yes, the internet is the internet. No truth to be found here. Down right scary.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    ...even I know the truth now. Incredible!...
    I don't....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I don't....

    Did you get my reply to your private message?

    I really don’t know if it went through.

    A simple yes or no, here, or via post comment is all you need do.

    Thanks

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    Andreus and I rarely got along. He was a self-destructive and unpleasant person who reveled in attention. Ultimately, his self-destructive behavior reflected on his untimely end. I still cared for his life though and pleaded with him not to go on that stupid fast when he was sick. He willingly wasted his life when he was perfectly capable of taking care of himself and living longer.
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