Tell me more about Andreus

[sixthson]

Loving this thread. So now, there's an Andreas Thanos in Boston who does photography and is still alive? Wow.



Sorry, but isn't this true of 99% of people who cling to any religion? You being a devout christian hasn't put you off of sucking the cock either, has it?

Both Islam and Christianity condemn homosexuality. I don't pretend otherwise. Andreus wanted others to believe this was not true of his religion.

[rareboy]

Christianity does not condemn homosexuality.

Paul had something to say on the matter, but the dude was all up in your face about everything. If the transcriptionists hadn't ever found or translated this little tidbit from Paul...is there anything else in the Christian dogma that would have touched on this? Nope. Because the Commandments don't have anything to say about it either.

But Christ was mum on the subject. And Paul is not Christ.

But a lot of us weren't sure whether Andreus might not have been.....

[xbuzzerx]

Christianity does not condemn homosexuality.

Paul had something to say on the matter, but the dude was all up in your face about everything. If the transcriptionists hadn't ever found or translated this little tidbit from Paul...is there anything else in the Christian dogma that would have touched on this? Nope. Because the Commandments don't have anything to say about it either.

But Christ was mum on the subject. And Paul is not Christ.

Agreed. The only clear condemnations of it other than Paul come from sections of the Bible that literally put it alongside things like touching a woman who is on her period or eating lobster as all things that will get you tossed out of the kingdom of heaven. Christians ignore literally everything in the OT except that one line.

[Kyanimal]

O.K.!

I think we can all agree, to agree, that "Andreus Thanos" was likely a nom de plume, just as (and I'm sure I'll shock a few of you) "Kyanimal" is!

Now ... was he "Real" or a "Puppet"?

There certainly was a Real person behind the Character, whether a "Puppeteer", or not. And, the character of Adreus certainly existed HERE as this very thread Proves! SO ... Yes! Andreus did, and to a surprising extent still does, "Exist"!

He was a very notorious "force" on this site, and I consider myself quite fortunate to have been "here" at the time, and had the experience of interacting with him! I doubt I'll ever forget him!

I consider it a moot point if there was/is an ACTUAL Dreu person running around "out there" somewhere! There is no doubt he was definitely "Here"!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

[palbert]

Andreus has passed beyond mere mortality. He is now legend.

[TheLyingGame]

I hope i'm this popular when i 'die'.

[refujiunderground]

Andreus has passed beyond mere mortality. He is now legend.

how can somebody be a legend if they never existed? andreus is just the jub version of moby dick.

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I hope i'm this popular when i 'die'.

are you implying something?

[TheLyingGame]

are you implying something?

No. I'm not that smart.

[rareboy]

Andreus has passed beyond mere mortality. He is now legend.

I'd like to think there is a little Andreus in all of us.

[refujiunderground]

No. I'm not that smart.

sarcasm, right?

[TheLyingGame]

sarcasm, right?

Of course. That is my first language.

[palbert]

how can somebody be a legend if they never existed? andreus is just the jub version of moby dick. ....

Or Jesus Christ.

[rareboy]

how can somebody be a legend if they never existed? [/COLOR]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

...........because a lot of legends are about people or things that never existed?

But I see where you're going.

You're saying that the Andreus saga was a whale of a sperm laden tale?

[tombastep]

I'd like to think there is a little Andreus in all of us.

I would hope not.

[JohannBessler]

^I find it interesting to watch the tone of this thread evolve. It has changed, as surely as do the seasons.

Contiuning on with the analogy, it's fall (autumn) in this thread. Eulogies are being said for the sockpuppet/creative invention of Andreus. The thread has matured before our very eyes.

I think this was one of the best threads ever for JUB. I'm glad to see that others have agreed.

[palbert]

^I find it interesting to watch the tone of this thread evolve. It has changed, as surely as do the seasons.

Contiuning on with the analogy, it's fall (autumn) in this thread. Eulogies are being said for the sockpuppet/creative invention of Andreus. The thread has matured before our very eyes.

I think this was one of the best threads ever for JUB. I'm glad to see that others have agreed.

I suggest some one musically inclined -- Pianist? -- compose a Requiem Mass.

[rareboy]

Heavens to Betsy boyz...

If everyone can't just come to the point of having some fun with the entire affair.....then we all are a pretty dour bunch.

Andreus would have not wanted us to laugh, because frankly he was a joyless sort, but if we can't laugh at one another, who else is there???

Ourselves?

[rareboy]

As far as a requiem goes....

We have something like this.

[LaughOutLoud]

Rather than sift through all the replies to this thread to try gauge it, I'd be quite interested to see what everyone's opinion is via a separate thread with a poll....

I would do it, but I'm pretty sure I'd miss out at least 5 options that people would want to vote for.

[palbert]

As far as a requiem goes....

We have something like this.

I was thinking something in the style of Philip Glass. The endless seductive repetition of an entrancing motif.

[rareboy]

How about....

[rareboy]

Rather than sift through all the replies to this thread to try gauge it, I'd be quite interested to see what everyone's opinion is via a separate thread with a poll....

I would do it, but I'm pretty sure I'd miss out at least 5 options that people would want to vote for.

The thread isn't about a result.

It is about the journey.

[Hard-up1]

To be clear, Dreu was not a joyless poster. He often spontaneously posted song lyrics, or would begin a thread or comment about something off-color like poo.

[palbert]

To be clear, Dreu was not a joyless poster. He often spontaneously posted song lyrics, or would begin a thread or comment about something off-color like poo.

A clue methinks. I win! It's Telly!

[LaughOutLoud]

The thread isn't about a result.

It is about the journey.

Fair enough. I thought it would be interesting to see the effect this thread has had on the general JUB population....

Before, except for a few, it seems everyone believed most of what he said, I'd like to know if this thread has changed their opinion and if so, how much....

Also, remember there are probably a lot more people that have read this thread than have participated in it

[sixthson]

You could say lots of things about him, but he was not joyless or humorless. He could be very playful and childlike.
It was not unusual for him to say really terrible things to you in a public forum, then send a PM trying to make peace.
I never trusted the latter, so I didn't buy into that, but I doubt he wanted to live in the animosity that he often created.
I highly doubt there are many here who believed he was a fraud who didn't also share a laugh about something with him.

[xbuzzerx]

Fair enough. I thought it would be interesting to see the effect this thread has had on the general JUB population....

Before, except for a few, it seems everyone believed most of what he said, I'd like to know if this thread has changed their opinion and if so, how much....

Also, remember there are probably a lot more people that have read this thread than have participated in it

If anyone still actually believes the story as-presented is really true and either there was a mistake with the search for his name or he simply slightly modified his real name (with the rest all being true) they have not had the courage to say so. Only some very indirect nitpicks about the thread or people's tendencies to hide their real name.

I'd have to think people who still fully believe would be rare if they're out there. The tone definitely changed to "whether he was real or fake... his IMPACT was real" even among the former believers.

[rareboy]

Fair enough. I thought it would be interesting to see the effect this thread has had on the general JUB population....

Before, except for a few, it seems everyone believed most of what he said, I'd like to know if this thread has changed their opinion and if so, how much....

Also, remember there are probably a lot more people that have read this thread than have participated in it

Fair enough.

And I think you'd find that a lot of people have probably gone from unwavering belief to suspended belief to questioning belief and then to disbelief.

The good news though is that the most ardent believers seem to all not really care at the end of the day if there ever was a real corporeal being with the ethos, the pathos, the adventures and the frailties of the Andreus avatar.

That is healthy.

[rareboy]

You could say lots of things about him, but he was not joyless or humorless. He could be very playful and childlike childish.
It was not unusual for him to say really terrible things to you in a public forum, then send a PM trying to make peace.
I never trusted the latter, so I didn't buy into that, but I doubt he wanted to live in the animosity that he often created.
I highly doubt there are many here who believed he was a fraud who didn't also share a laugh about something with him.

childlike I don't remember.....

As for slagging someone off and then trying to make up in private, abusive borderline personalities all do it.

They are so afraid of real rejection that they are always crying for forgiveness...just so that they can return and get away with the same shit again.

I guess for the most part I found his pronouncements and perspectives solemn rather than serious and didn't have the opportunity to experience the whimsical side of him that others did.

But I guess if he posted about poo.. then we are all still tight.

[Hard-up1]

To break into the serious only briefly, several of us may simply be philosophic.

Andreus was a living person -- that much is fact. He wasn't a program (as some have suggested about Sloppy), he wasn't a dullard by any means, and he wasn't boring.

Many of us have reached an age that has informed us over time that truth is not so certain in much of life all around us. Marriages were riddled with strife, children were lying about much of what they told us, or employers were doing appalling things while smiling and carrying on.

We could become bitter and jaded, or we could simply accept that some things and people just have to be taken for what they can give, and not for what they cannot.

Dreu is that for me. Whether he was cynical, shy, deceptive, playful, or anything in between, he was a good friend on the boards. In like fashion, I remember and yet love RobertAC, long after his confession that his love life was a sham with his ambulance driver. Behind all that pretense, there was a soul, a soul that wanted love, acceptance, respect, and just a good life. I'll bet he has it yet.

For Dreu, I knew at the time of his death that there was speculation of a sham, and it mattered not. The notion that he lives yet is great. When I taught high school English some decades ago, I quickly learned that I liked the spirited students the best, not necessarily the good.

Dreu was spirited, highly spirited.

[sixthson]

childlike I don't remember.....

As for slagging someone off and then trying to make up in private, abusive borderline personalities all do it.

They are so afraid of real rejection that they are always crying for forgiveness...just so that they can return and get away with the same shit again.

I guess for the most part I found his pronouncements and perspectives solemn rather than serious and didn't have the opportunity to experience the whimsical side of him that others did.

But I guess if he posted about poo.. then we are all still tight.

Don't you remember how he and Kahil went from thread to thread with their love poetry to each other. They found it hilarious, but it annoyed alot of people. Unfortunately, Kahil never realized he was being toyed with.

The key to dealing with Andreus was not to take him too seriously. He took himself seriously enough for everyone.

[star-warrior]

I would hope not.

Kinda like having breathed dinosaur exhaust emissions, or maybe molecules of fart from your worst enemy.

[rareboy]

^^ I guess that is why I didn't think it was either light hearted or amusing and didn't pay much attention to it.

It does sound as though Kahil (Kahaih?) is the one person who may have been actually hurt by all this nonsense and so on his behalf, I'd be happy to:

[HoodedRat]

It was not unusual for him to say really terrible things to you in a public forum, then send a PM trying to make peace.

He used to do the exact opposite with me ... often being nice to me on the public forum and then behaving like a total cunt via PMs and comments.

[Hard-up1]

Kahil is DEFINITELY not Kahaih. Kahil is verifiable all over the web, which was posted in this thread earlier and deleted for good reason.

If he chooses to leave JUB behind, and he did both involuntarily and voluntarily, in that order, then we should leave him be, as Corny said.

And Dreu was only ever nice to me, by PM or forum, but I imagine he saw me as somewhat fragile then.

[palbert]

I envy the members who can say "I knew Andreus. Andreus was a friend of mine. (Newbie) you are no Andreus."

[tombastep]

He used to do the exact opposite with me ... often being nice to me on the public forum and then behaving like a total cunt via PMs and comments.

I was never left any nasty comments until I had a go at him and it was because he expected people to not judge Muslims but on the other hand would criticize and insult Christianity/Catholicism. After that is when it was a totally different light.

[JohannBessler]

Rather than sift through all the replies to this thread to try gauge it, I'd be quite interested to see what everyone's opinion is via a separate thread with a poll....

I would do it, but I'm pretty sure I'd miss out at least 5 options that people would want to vote for.

I have sensed a change in the wind direction at least twice.

Early on, there were two camps: half believed he was real, and the other half didn't.

Later on, there were stilll two camps, but they differed: one believed he was probably fake, but didn't think it was a big deal. They cherished him, anyway.
The other camp believed he was probably fake, and feels hurt and betrayed by his treachery.

I myself belong to the second camp, but it must be realized that I hate lying and deceit. I really do. We must accept the ugly fact that "Andreus Thanos" manipulated our feelings. That's ugly.

There might be one or two people who still believe he was real.

[star-warrior]

[frankfrank]

How many of Andreus's that cat's lies lives have we got will we get up to? Is that five? They have nine, right? Oh, well, I suppose it doesn't really matter.

corrected, sort of...

[palbert]

He is demonstrably eternal.

[rareboy]

We'll always have Desert Rose.

[Telstra]

We'll always have Desert Rose.

Heard the song, seen this video for the first time.
I like this combination but prefer the Arabic singer more.

[rareboy]

Love Cheb Mami.

I suspect that Andy did too.

[blackbeltninja]

To be clear, Dreu was not a joyless poster. He often spontaneously posted song lyrics, or would begin a thread or comment about something off-color like poo.

Yes.

I recall several threads which were rendered useless by his and Elvin's continual doing of such and attempting to playfully 1-up each other to the point of my extreme irritation. If I saw either of them had last post, I'd usually not bother opening the thread.

So... I find myself wondering how Andreus would have viewed the plethora of gifs in JUB these days?

-d-

[Kyanimal]

So... I find myself wondering how Andreus would have viewed the plethora of gifs in JUB these days?

-d-

Oh, Good Grief! I hadn't thought of that! It would only have provided MORE Hijack ammo!!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

[palbert]

Did Andreus -- before joining the Immortals -- leave any thoughts, warnings or advice on 12/21/12? Or, as I expect, he was inscrutable on the subject.

With BP MIA perhaps we could check his townhouse for clues.

[sixthson]

And Dreu was only ever nice to me, by PM or forum, but I imagine he saw me as somewhat fragile then.

I believe this to be true. The predator always goes for the most vulnerable. For those who were unaccustomed to male affection or attention, they found his charm to be irresistible. For those of us who were stronger, he saw as more threatening.

[sixthson]

I was never left any nasty comments until I had a go at him and it was because he expected people to not judge Muslims but on the other hand would criticize and insult Christianity/Catholicism. After that is when it was a totally different light.

Ah, yes, the sacred cow of Islam. Anything could be said about any other religion, but don't touch Islam.
Andreus told me felt he needed to aggressively defend Islam because he was being watched here and his life could be in danger.
So, perhaps it was murder and not death by natural causes?

[medic1]

Of course. That is my first language.

Doncha just luv our Brit sense of humour , otherwise known as being a dry , sarcastic son of a b***h .