Staying off topic a bit longer, I think Peto was not a fake or a sock puppet. He was an original who maybe had a lot of fantasy going on.
When he first started posting he talked alot about his big, uncut Italian cock and about being a professor at a college in Canada and that seemed to annoy alot of people, but he certainly had the knowledge of music and opera to teach that course.
Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.
^I don't think anybody thought of Peto-Antoni as a sockpuppet.
There seems little doubt, however, that those pics were Photoshopped, and Peto-Antoni made a really big deal out of his "endowment". Except for that small act of deception, however, I found that I quite liked him.
I can visualize the photo that was allegedly of Andreus' face. It was of the same bronze-hued set like his avatar body photo was. I remember that someone posted beneath that they could recommend a good brand of acme ointment to him, and was admonished by a mod for the nasty comment.
The story about being shot in Iraq was so weird. Who on earth would be going to a war zone like that, if they weren't in the military? And then wind up shot. Bizarre.
I liked Peto. He was interesting, and posted a phenomenal amount of hot pics in the porn forums. I think he got addicted to posting stuff here, and in his own words, it was ''nuts!".
I remember when he self deleted. I was kinda sad he went away.
Andreus Thanos shares Greek language roots meaning "dead man." Hmm.
An obituary for sure. Common practice here for anyone, common or not.
thanos probably from thanatos
Thanatos (Death) and Hynos (Sleep) were twins, sons of Nyx (Night) and Erebos (Darkness).
Andreus probably from andro Greek: man, men, male, masculine
Andras is also a known powerful demon, who brings discord and strife, warfare.
So I guess this was JUB's annual drama blow-out, eh?
Where's the drama?
You get more fire by posting too many GIFs.
Did you know that if you spell Andreus Thanos backward, that it looks like Sonath Suerdna?
All this said, surely the thread dedicated to him in the Garden of Memories should be removed...??
As moderators of the site, without ever seeing a death certificate or obituary for him (I realise you've never asked anyone for it), the only thing to go on would be his profile activity backing up a message from a "loved one", but seeing as that's changed recently, what other "evidence" is there that he died (or in fact lived)?
Andreus Thanos lived just as surely as any character in a novel or movie, and yet may have been more than a sock puppet. We've listened to speculation and deduction and induction.
Scientists postulated that bumblebees could not fly. Well, they were wrong.
Even if Dreu is proven to be something less than a corpse or a model, his presence on the boards was real, and his loss is felt, whether it is the loss of a mirage or a person.
Is the Garden of Memories some sacred graveyard for the fallen JUB warriors? I think not.
Those who appreciated his wit and verve, do mourn his loss. Is it foolish or naive? Consider this. When a cinema fan sits in the dark and feels the tragic, the heroic, the daring, the foolish, the romantic, he is actually experiencing life more fully than he does in his quiet job at the toll booth or whatever. Is it reality? Absolutely not, but he is in fact enjoying and living life more fully, albeit vicariously. Why punish the JUB members who found that in a bright star, whatever the long gone Dreu actually was?
Last edited by Hard-up1; December 5th, 2012 at 06:13 AM.
Ok, look at it this way......
Someone on here today decides to create a second profile. I get along with that "new person" very well.
Moderators find out and ban the second account.
Could I request a thread be created in the Garden of Memories in honour of that second profile that I clicked with, got along with, miss...??
Seems a tad ridiculous.
If it does, then I don't think you are giving due credit to the "life" of Dreu on these boards when he was here. There is not another single member, not Elvin, not Jasun, not anyone, who has ever evoked this sort of following in the same manner, or for the same reasons.
If something more conclusive were proven about his supposed sock puppet status, then a ban, as all sock puppets are (supposedly) banned, should include The Garden of Memories.
As of now, nothing is proven, just endless speculation.
And my main point remains, those who "knew" Dreu on here are entitled to miss him, and it does no dishonor to the forum. Sounds a bit peevish to me, to quote Shakespeare, "like wrath in death, and envy after." We don't really need to hack at the limbs, do we?
It's totally fine to miss him but at the same time he was a person, not a God.
And popularity and godhood are different.
I don't think any of his fans believed he could do no wrong.
I get that point of view but don't share it. Loki said in another thread what is probably the case for a lot of members who have a reasonable interest in maintaining online privacy; sometimes users will alter the odd fact or two as a defence against snooping people on google. I'd argue that is even prudent for people who have previously been stalked, been the victim of domestic violence or abuse, etc. some people have career reasons (out at work but don't need coworkers knowing my taste in porn even if happy to discuss with online friends). That is legitimate. Others will embellish their lives a bit too much in a misguided attempt to put their best foot forward, which usually serves only to embarrass them in the end.
That still falls under the category of no big deal. But to post stolen pics and claim they are oneself, or to pretend to die while still alive, is not just another event in the "life" of a poster, it is base manipulation in the life of a poster.
The charges against Andreus are not just calling someone out for exaggerating, it's a charge of really outrageous manipulative behaviour that goes beyond any need for privacy or any fault of self esteem that would lead someone to brag falsely.
And far from thinking it doesn't really matter one way or the other, it's because I recognise how significant that is, that I've been so disappointed with the way this has rolled out, and the lengths people will go to to indulge their own whims.
Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte.
Some may be upset if the tread dedicated to him in Garden of Memories is removed, but we must also be mindful of the friends/family of people that have ACTUALLY lived, died and have a thread down there.
If it were me, I'd feel insulted seeing a thread down there dedicated to someone I knew/loved that had died right alongside a thread dedicated to a person who not only didn't exist, but whose creator (aka Puppet Master) has most likely read the thread and is most likely reading the replies to this thread (whether or not they are signed in).
In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.
I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.
There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.
I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.
Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.
The 2nd should be legitimate and fairly serious cause for doubt about someone's honesty and intentions in almost any context. And at that point saying the person has perpetuated falsehoods isn't speculation, it's fact. The only speculation is on how much farther the dishonesty went.
something doesn't add up. my imagination is kind of running wild at the same time of the possibilities. maybe dude is real but lying about the story for attention. maybe dude is telling the truth. maybe dude is basically an alias with someone trying to lure someone else for different reasons, possibly trying to bait someone in here to date or to fuck. maybe dude is just having fun. maybe it's a crazy person but whatever the case, something doesn't add up here.
i wouldn't be surprised if something crazy happened next week.
one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry
...didn't you know?
The icon was already made up.
Someone would have to know the IP from which he worked, get a courtorder for the Internet Provider to release the name, and actually send somebody to investigate the domicile. It would cost boo-coo $$ and I see no possibility that the owners would want to do that over a mirage.
So, by necessity, we have to do the second-best thing. BP has already asserted that 1)he knew "Andreus" intimately and 2)Andreus Thanos was his real name.
I've already proven that no one with that name has ever lived legally in the United States. I see no possibility that he could have worked in an emergency room, or enlisted in the Forces, as an illegal alien.
Where does that lead us? To only two possibilities:
*Either he existed, and made up his name, and lied through his teeth about everything in his life, or
*he never existed at all.
I really don't understand how you all could perceive any of this as "baseless speculation". (not necessarily you, Hard-up)
Furthermore, I think we can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that many of you are lying to yourselves. (Not necessarily you, Hard-up)
"Baseless speculation" is simply making things up out of thin air.
Occam's razor is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.
The principle is often incorrectly summarized as "other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one." In practice, the application of the principle often shifts the burden of proof in a discussion.[a] The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate. Philosophers point out also that the exact meaning of simplest may be nuanced.
The razor's statement that "simpler explanations are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones" is amenable to empirical testing. The procedure to test this hypothesis would compare the track records of simple and comparatively complex explanations. The validity of Occam's razor as a tool would then have to be rejected if the more complex explanations were more often correct than the less complex ones.
What is it that you want Johann? A medal? Congratulations? To be crowned King of JUB for the month? Year?
Congratulations. Your powers of observation and sleuthy searches found that there is no one in the US named Andreus Thanos. You've also managed to wrongly find that Jasun lives in Denver and I am every female poster JUB has ever had. But, one out of of 3 ain't bad I suppose...
Honestly what is it you are looking for now? We got it. Andreus Thanos does not exist in the United States of America. For some he existed at JUB though. And that's all they needed.
Are you going to keep harping on the idea until every member posting in this thread acknowledges that you found out the big bad wolf blew the house down? What is it that will satisfy you?
Not trying to silence the discussion, curious as to why it is so hard to understand that regardless of the "undeniably accurate" information Johann provided to prove Andreus' nonexistence, some are still going to go by their own instincts and desire to believe someone named Andreus existed here.
Last edited by stacy; December 5th, 2012 at 03:01 PM.
You lashed out at him rather irrationally imho, accusing him of trying to win some kind of prize for pointing out what facts are available after MANY OTHER PEOPLE (not Johann) opened the question of Andreus's story's legitimacy.
I agree with him that people are lying to themselves; if that's what they want to do, that is perfectly fine, but coming here and making aspersions at Johann for doing a little research is irrational.
(I'd love to tally up the numbers of those who believe in Andreus Thanos and those who don't.
And then I'd like to see which of those are of Catholic heritage and which are not.)
If I want to believe in Santa Claus I'm going to believe in Santa Claus. Might not be logical to you but why is it I can't believe in Santa Claus? Am I hurting you by believing in something you don't?
I'm just trying to understand the logic in standing at the top of JUB Mountain yelling "ANDREUS THANOS DOES NOT EXIST AND THOSE THAT BELIEVE HE DOES/DID ARE LYING TO YOURSELVES"
It stopped being a discussion a long time ago. Now it's just a bunch of people judging each other for what they believe in.
Thinking outside the box here, so please feel free to disprove anything I say in this post (without reading the entire thread again, I can't remember all the details)....
Ok, so what if Andreus was real. What if Andreus was simply an online name he used (something we all do - my real name isn't LaughOutLoud).
So, name to one side - maybe everything he said was true (working in the emergency services, serving in the military etc).
Maybe BP did know him outside of JUB, but knowing Andreus was a name he was known as to everyone here, he used that.
For example, imagine JohannBessier's real name was Steven Smith. Imagine I knew Steven Smith outside of JUB....if he died, I wouldn't come on and announce Steven Smith had died, I'd come on and tell you all that JohannBessier had died.
Similarly, if in a few years time there was a discussion about JohannBessier, I wouldn't come into the thread and defend Steven Smith, I'd defend JohannBessier. Steven Smith didn't want anyone here to know his real name, why would I go against his wishes after he had died?
If all that is possible, does it not just leave us with one thing unexplained? The fact that someone logged into Andreus' account last week..... Is that really enough to say that he didn't exist? Maybe someone just knew his password......??
Just putting that out there. Like I said, feel free to disprove me, I can't remember every last detail I read in the thread.....