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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    thanos probably from thanatos

    Thanatos (Death) and Hynos (Sleep) were twins, sons of Nyx (Night) and Erebos (Darkness).

    Andreus probably from andro Greek: man, men, male, masculine


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    Andras is also a known powerful demon, who brings discord and strife, warfare.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    Obituary works if people on here knew your full name.
    And if anyone is willing to fork out to have an obit posted in a published newspaper.


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    Did you know that if you spell Andreus Thanos backward, that it looks like Sonath Suerdna?

    Coincidence?

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    All this said, surely the thread dedicated to him in the Garden of Memories should be removed...??

    As moderators of the site, without ever seeing a death certificate or obituary for him (I realise you've never asked anyone for it), the only thing to go on would be his profile activity backing up a message from a "loved one", but seeing as that's changed recently, what other "evidence" is there that he died (or in fact lived)?

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Ok, look at it this way......

    Someone on here today decides to create a second profile. I get along with that "new person" very well.

    Moderators find out and ban the second account.

    Could I request a thread be created in the Garden of Memories in honour of that second profile that I clicked with, got along with, miss...??

    Seems a tad ridiculous.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    If it does, then I don't think you are giving due credit to the "life" of Dreu on these boards when he was here. There is not another single member, not Elvin, not Jasun, not anyone, who has ever evoked this sort of following in the same manner, or for the same reasons.

    If something more conclusive were proven about his supposed sock puppet status, then a ban, as all sock puppets are (supposedly) banned, should include The Garden of Memories.

    As of now, nothing is proven, just endless speculation.

    And my main point remains, those who "knew" Dreu on here are entitled to miss him, and it does no dishonor to the forum. Sounds a bit peevish to me, to quote Shakespeare, "like wrath in death, and envy after." We don't really need to hack at the limbs, do we?
    I think there is a difference between a life and a "life." I understand that point of view. On a site where, never mind verifying death (Bizarre? Intrusive? Unreliable?) there is no requirement to verify life when someone registers. Users don't need to confirm their real identities or have their real name as username, etc. so what right have we to expect authenticity?

    I get that point of view but don't share it. Loki said in another thread what is probably the case for a lot of members who have a reasonable interest in maintaining online privacy; sometimes users will alter the odd fact or two as a defence against snooping people on google. I'd argue that is even prudent for people who have previously been stalked, been the victim of domestic violence or abuse, etc. some people have career reasons (out at work but don't need coworkers knowing my taste in porn even if happy to discuss with online friends). That is legitimate. Others will embellish their lives a bit too much in a misguided attempt to put their best foot forward, which usually serves only to embarrass them in the end.

    That still falls under the category of no big deal. But to post stolen pics and claim they are oneself, or to pretend to die while still alive, is not just another event in the "life" of a poster, it is base manipulation in the life of a poster.

    The charges against Andreus are not just calling someone out for exaggerating, it's a charge of really outrageous manipulative behaviour that goes beyond any need for privacy or any fault of self esteem that would lead someone to brag falsely.

    And far from thinking it doesn't really matter one way or the other, it's because I recognise how significant that is, that I've been so disappointed with the way this has rolled out, and the lengths people will go to to indulge their own whims.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Yes, but if you REARRANGE the letters in his name, you get HARDNOSE TUNAS!

    Dun, dun, dunnnnnn!

    You're killing me!

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Some may be upset if the tread dedicated to him in Garden of Memories is removed, but we must also be mindful of the friends/family of people that have ACTUALLY lived, died and have a thread down there.

    If it were me, I'd feel insulted seeing a thread down there dedicated to someone I knew/loved that had died right alongside a thread dedicated to a person who not only didn't exist, but whose creator (aka Puppet Master) has most likely read the thread and is most likely reading the replies to this thread (whether or not they are signed in).

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    If it does, then I don't think you are giving due credit to the "life" of Dreu on these boards when he was here. There is not another single member, not Elvin, not Jasun, not anyone, who has ever evoked this sort of following in the same manner, or for the same reasons.

    If something more conclusive were proven about his supposed sock puppet status, then a ban, as all sock puppets are (supposedly) banned, should include The Garden of Memories.

    As of now, nothing is proven, just endless speculation.

    And my main point remains, those who "knew" Dreu on here are entitled to miss him, and it does no dishonor to the forum. Sounds a bit peevish to me, to quote Shakespeare, "like wrath in death, and envy after." We don't really need to hack at the limbs, do we?


    I love a good hagiography as well as anyone....but even I would suggest that restraint be used.
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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.

    I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.

    There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.

    I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
    They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.
    Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.

    I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.

    There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.

    I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
    They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.
    I think he was a psychologist working in the prison, then his own practice ... ?
    His whole pooing system removed or something. He probable no longer alive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    I think he was a psychologist working in the prison, then his own practice ... ?
    His whole pooing system removed or something. He probable no longer alive.
    Yes, that is the guy. Thanks, Telstra.
    Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    If it does, then I don't think you are giving due credit to the "life" of Dreu on these boards when he was here. There is not another single member, not Elvin, not Jasun, not anyone, who has ever evoked this sort of following in the same manner, or for the same reasons.

    If something more conclusive were proven about his supposed sock puppet status, then a ban, as all sock puppets are (supposedly) banned, should include The Garden of Memories.

    As of now, nothing is proven, just endless speculation.

    And my main point remains, those who "knew" Dreu on here are entitled to miss him, and it does no dishonor to the forum. Sounds a bit peevish to me, to quote Shakespeare, "like wrath in death, and envy after." We don't really need to hack at the limbs, do we?
    As I said to Stacy in a more or less similar line of discussion.. I think it's a bit lumpish to throw in speculation (i.e. I bet he lied about his job!) with someone who claims to have known the person offline verifying hard facts about the person in question-- which we find out to be untrue.

    The 2nd should be legitimate and fairly serious cause for doubt about someone's honesty and intentions in almost any context. And at that point saying the person has perpetuated falsehoods isn't speculation, it's fact. The only speculation is on how much farther the dishonesty went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post

    It occurred to me, at the time, that "I REALLY HOPE THIS STORY IS A FAKE LIE." The alternative, if it's the truth, would mean that a Professor is out there in danger of having his career destroyed, or worse, over something entirely not his fault at all (aside from the bad decision to give answers before the exam). The story struck me as portraying the type of guy who could hold such a grudge that he could suddenly show up in class with a gun and start shooting people.

    it has to be. yeah, there's teachers in high school and college that do have sex with their students. however, i don't think his story adds up. a teacher that kisses him on the cheek, then the mouth and then falls back out of fear. then him willing to ditch his childhood friend because they both have a crush on the same professor. if that's real, then i dunno.

    something doesn't add up. my imagination is kind of running wild at the same time of the possibilities. maybe dude is real but lying about the story for attention. maybe dude is telling the truth. maybe dude is basically an alias with someone trying to lure someone else for different reasons, possibly trying to bait someone in here to date or to fuck. maybe dude is just having fun. maybe it's a crazy person but whatever the case, something doesn't add up here.

    i wouldn't be surprised if something crazy happened next week.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.

    I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.

    There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.

    I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
    They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.

    Very true. Good for you for having the balls to say so.


    Excellent post, sixthson, all the way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Very true. Good for you for having the balls to say so.


    Excellent post, sixthson, all the way through.
    I agree with that.

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    ^

    ...didn't you know?

    The icon was already made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    An obituary for sure. Common practice here for anyone, common or not.
    Yes. It used to be common practice in Australia to announce births, deaths and marriages in local newspapers but that has really waned these last few decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    It is exceedingly difficult to prove a negative. In this case, that "negative" would be the statement that "Andreus never existed."

    Someone would have to know the IP from which he worked, get a courtorder for the Internet Provider to release the name, and actually send somebody to investigate the domicile. It would cost boo-coo $$ and I see no possibility that the owners would want to do that over a mirage.

    So, by necessity, we have to do the second-best thing. BP has already asserted that 1)he knew "Andreus" intimately and 2)Andreus Thanos was his real name.

    I've already proven that no one with that name has ever lived legally in the United States. I see no possibility that he could have worked in an emergency room, or enlisted in the Forces, as an illegal alien.

    Where does that lead us? To only two possibilities:

    *Either he existed, and made up his name, and lied through his teeth about everything in his life, or
    *he never existed at all.

    I really don't understand how you all could perceive any of this as "baseless speculation". (not necessarily you, Hard-up)

    Furthermore, I think we can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that many of you are lying to yourselves. (Not necessarily you, Hard-up)
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    Agreed. People are loosely operating as though speculation means "reasoning based off available evidence but doesn't lead to the conclusion you like." As Johann points out it would be impossible to prove Andreus never existed, it would involve being able to search the galaxy and be sure no alien entity or intelligence registered and communicated with us as "Andreus." However the available evidence doesn't support that the story of Andreus was true, it supports the opposite.

    "Baseless speculation" is simply making things up out of thin air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    What rubbish.

    Andreus Thanos lived just as surely as any character in a novel or movie, and yet may have been more than a sock puppet. We've listened to speculation and deduction and induction.

    Scientists postulated that bumblebees could not fly. Well, they were wrong.

    Even if Dreu is proven to be something less than a corpse or a model, his presence on the boards was real, and his loss is felt, whether it is the loss of a mirage or a person.

    Is the Garden of Memories some sacred graveyard for the fallen JUB warriors? I think not.

    Those who appreciated his wit and verve, do mourn his loss. Is it foolish or naive? Consider this. When a cinema fan sits in the dark and feels the tragic, the heroic, the daring, the foolish, the romantic, he is actually experiencing life more fully than he does in his quiet job at the toll booth or whatever. Is it reality? Absolutely not, but he is in fact enjoying and living life more fully, albeit vicariously. Why punish the JUB members who found that in a bright star, whatever the long gone Dreu actually was?
    ^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ My sentiments exactly.

    I did not know him but I wish I had. This thread made me feel as though I missed something special.

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    Occam's razor is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.

    The principle is often incorrectly summarized as "other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one." In practice, the application of the principle often shifts the burden of proof in a discussion.[a] The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate. Philosophers point out also that the exact meaning of simplest may be nuanced.

    The razor's statement that "simpler explanations are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones" is amenable to empirical testing. The procedure to test this hypothesis would compare the track records of simple and comparatively complex explanations. The validity of Occam's razor as a tool would then have to be rejected if the more complex explanations were more often correct than the less complex ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    What is it that you want Johann? A medal? Congratulations? To be crowned King of JUB for the month? Year?

    Congratulations. Your powers of observation and sleuthy searches found that there is no one in the US named Andreus Thanos. You've also managed to wrongly find that Jasun lives in Denver and I am every female poster JUB has ever had. But, one out of of 3 ain't bad I suppose...

    Honestly what is it you are looking for now? We got it. Andreus Thanos does not exist in the United States of America. For some he existed at JUB though. And that's all they needed.

    Are you going to keep harping on the idea until every member posting in this thread acknowledges that you found out the big bad wolf blew the house down? What is it that will satisfy you?
    You are trying to silence this discussion so hard and I don't know why.

    If the appearance that Andreus Thanos as a forum identity was a fake compared to whoever was really behind the screen seriously disturbs people I don't know why they're still here reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    Not trying to silence the discussion, curious as to why it is so hard to understand that regardless of the "undeniably accurate" information Johann provided to prove Andreus' nonexistence, some are still going to go by their own instincts and desire to believe someone named Andreus existed here.
    If someone prefers to believe regardless of what evidence is or isn't available I don't see how Johann pointing out that evidence changes anything or hurts anyone.

    You lashed out at him rather irrationally imho, accusing him of trying to win some kind of prize for pointing out what facts are available after MANY OTHER PEOPLE (not Johann) opened the question of Andreus's story's legitimacy.

    I agree with him that people are lying to themselves; if that's what they want to do, that is perfectly fine, but coming here and making aspersions at Johann for doing a little research is irrational.

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    (I'd love to tally up the numbers of those who believe in Andreus Thanos and those who don't.
    And then I'd like to see which of those are of Catholic heritage and which are not.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    Not trying to silence the discussion, curious as to why it is so hard to understand that regardless of the "undeniably accurate" information Johann provided to prove Andreus' nonexistence, some are still going to go by their own instincts and desire to believe someone named Andreus existed here.
    People believe all kinds of strange shit.



    Did you know that Andreus Thanos also spells...

    Santa's North....nude?
    Last edited by rareboy; December 5th, 2012 at 03:12 PM.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Thinking outside the box here, so please feel free to disprove anything I say in this post (without reading the entire thread again, I can't remember all the details)....

    Ok, so what if Andreus was real. What if Andreus was simply an online name he used (something we all do - my real name isn't LaughOutLoud).

    So, name to one side - maybe everything he said was true (working in the emergency services, serving in the military etc).

    Maybe BP did know him outside of JUB, but knowing Andreus was a name he was known as to everyone here, he used that.

    For example, imagine JohannBessier's real name was Steven Smith. Imagine I knew Steven Smith outside of JUB....if he died, I wouldn't come on and announce Steven Smith had died, I'd come on and tell you all that JohannBessier had died.

    Similarly, if in a few years time there was a discussion about JohannBessier, I wouldn't come into the thread and defend Steven Smith, I'd defend JohannBessier. Steven Smith didn't want anyone here to know his real name, why would I go against his wishes after he had died?

    If all that is possible, does it not just leave us with one thing unexplained? The fact that someone logged into Andreus' account last week..... Is that really enough to say that he didn't exist? Maybe someone just knew his password......??


    Just putting that out there. Like I said, feel free to disprove me, I can't remember every last detail I read in the thread.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    (I'd love to tally up the numbers of those who believe in Andreus Thanos and those who don't.
    And then I'd like to see which of those are of Catholic heritage and which are not.)

    Does the Divine Miss M really exist?

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    ^

    But she was Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Does the Divine Miss M really exist?

    Your call.

    There are those that apparently think that She is actually holding Andreus.
    Last edited by rareboy; December 5th, 2012 at 03:27 PM.

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    MANY OTHER PEOPLE moved on from the thread and have understood the fact that people are going to believe what they want. MANY OTHER PEOPLE did not accuse those believers of "lying to themselves."

    If I want to believe in Santa Claus I'm going to believe in Santa Claus. Might not be logical to you but why is it I can't believe in Santa Claus? Am I hurting you by believing in something you don't?

    I'm just trying to understand the logic in standing at the top of JUB Mountain yelling "ANDREUS THANOS DOES NOT EXIST AND THOSE THAT BELIEVE HE DOES/DID ARE LYING TO YOURSELVES"

    It stopped being a discussion a long time ago. Now it's just a bunch of people judging each other for what they believe in.
    You're reading what you want to read. No one said you can't believe. But the evidence at this point is that the Andreus Thanos identity as presented was at false at at least some levels.

    From that people can take what they will-- people pointed out the fishiness of many elements of his story, like purportedly catching HIV somehow related to being shot in Iraq as a photographer/dancer/prostitute turned war participant, and dying from it within a year or a year and a half. If you choose to believe the story carte blanche as presented that is entirely your choice. At this point it wouldn't be rational but as you say, if you want to believe in Santa Claus that is your right.

    Santa Claus isn't real either though.

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    I'm trying to think of which of Shakespeare's famous philosophical quotes best sums up the current situation. At the moment I'm plumping for 'Don't shoot the messenger'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Does the Divine Miss M really exist?
    She sure does; I've got most of her CDs. Would love to see her live in her Las Vegas extravaganza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    People believe all kinds of strange shit.



    Did you know that Andreus Thanos also spells...

    Santa's North....nude?
    Just a reminder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Yes, but if you REARRANGE the letters in his name, you get HARDNOSE TUNAS!

    Dun, dun, dunnnnnn!

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Did you know that Andreus Thanos also spells...

    Santa's North....nude?
    The one I got was....

    No death? Run, ass!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I really don't understand how you all could perceive any of this as "baseless speculation". (not necessarily you, Hard-up)

    Furthermore, I think we can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that many of you are lying to yourselves. (Not necessarily you, Hard-up)
    -
    I don't know if that is directed at me (nudge nudge, wink wink) but…

    I refer to it as baseless because
    all the ideas here wouldn't withstand the criminal court standard of evidence.
    I sincerely doubt the theories here would withstand the lower civil court "balance-of-probabilities" test.

    Again, since people are jumping in hundreds of posts into the thread, I am not here to defend Andreus. I didn't know him apart from what can be read in open threads. I didn't care for his bombastic and wrongly-reasoned ideas on any number of subjects. I was offended by his demands for not mere respect of his religious views, but of reverence for them; views I considered to be wrong in a commonplace way.

    He did construct his posts artfully enough, however, that in addition to the basic courtesy due to any poster, I could also thank him for forcing me to up my game in the quality of my responses to his passionate, articulate, interesting, wrong-headed, and irritating posts.

    I have absolutely no proof he was any of the things he claimed for himself: an HIV+ son of a wealthy european family with Greek and Islamic heritage, who professed the Ijtihadi minority take on Islam, felt some conflict between exploring the erotic and the prohibition agains imagery inherent in his faith, who used eroticism for financial gain, who suffered declining health due to a gunshot wound and due to a stupid pig-headed decision to refrain from effective treatment for the HIV in celebration of a custom which, compared to the value of human life, I hold to be trivial. I have no proof that those purported to be close to him were accurate or honest in their description of his manner of death.

    What I do have is skepticism that anyone has proof to the contrary. Or rather, I simply observe that no one has any proof to the contrary. There are at best, "leads." More than that, with the way this thread developed after the second posting, I sincerely feel I've awoken in the midst of something entirely unexpected: I feel as though I've stumbled into the founding meeting of the Birther movement, where skepticism takes on a life of its own and not even film footage of Ann Dunham waving an American passport while pushing out Barack Obama under a pineapple tree at the foot of a volcano, under the direct supervision of a Republican-appointed Supreme Court Justice, would convince people to critically examine their theory.

    Why do I think proof is required rather than just speculation? Because I do think people are entitled to the dignity of being considered real, until someone can show the contrary. In particular; that the person posting as Andreus is alive, or that the person posting as Andreus had lifted photos from some other source.

    The quest for a reliable public record of his existence is futile given that a pseudonym is not an indicator of a fake.
    The quest for a different source of his photographs has sort of gone on a wild goose chase with a picture of someone he never claimed to be, followed by attempts to find a link with a photographer who merely had a similar name. Shame he wasn't called Doug Smith; we would have had a field day with that.
    The quest for his brother's prison records..in Greece….seriously?
    The quest to analyse the meaning of his pseudonym.
    The quest to pin down someone on Andreus's legal name, who, as a former teacher, might have ethical or legal impediments to sharing that name fully online.

    Ask yourself if your friend was real, deceased, and dragged through the mud like this, whether you would be inclined to overlook your natural indignation and post accurate factual complete confirmation of your friend's identity, going far beyond what your deceased friend ever shared about himself online, to satisfy a crowd of people in that kind of mood.

    If that sounds bonkers, it's because it is.

    Most of all, if people felt gullible to have been "taken in" by Andreus, that failure should be their first clue not to rush to certainty that he was a fake. They should stop for a very long time in that middle ground of reserving judgment, and just perhaps, showing a little discretion and decorum toward the memory of someone that, if they're wrong, had real friends and a real life worthy of more than random savaging on an internet forum.
    Last edited by bankside; December 5th, 2012 at 04:07 PM.

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    I just noticed, this thread has 5 stars.


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Point:

    Corny has already implied that BostonPirate and Andreus weren't the same person. I deduce that this is because the IPs don't match.

    But BostonPirate has definitively said that: 1) He personally knew Andreus intimately and 2)Andreus Thanos was his real name.

    We can't escape the fact that deception has taken place, ladies and gentlemen.
    Wrong again my friend: Corny has held that Enchanted is not Boston Pirate. See posts 755 and 778. This is exactly the kind of error that makes me doubt the thoroughness and accuracy of this enterprise.

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    It seems my last post in this thread (bottom of the previous page) is going on ignored, I'm just trying to work out if that's intentional or not....??

    :/

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    Johann, you're STILL in this fixation about Jasun and god damn Denver, and you're STILL for some unknown reason directing all your unfounded accusations towards Stacy.

    Since you haven't yet expanded this to every other JUBber on this site, I just can't understand what specifically it is about Jasun and Stacy that has deemed them in your eyes 'suspects' and 'untrustworthy' and 'under investigation'.

    Or, to put it another way, I think the only thing at this stage that would make you STOP accusing Jasun and Stacy is if your doorbell rang and the pair of them were there right in front of you, with their ID's, addresses, passwords, certificates in their hands.

    The topic is supposed to be Andreus, not a baseless witch-hunt against whomever JUBbers you choose.
    Last edited by ChickenGuy; December 5th, 2012 at 04:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Wrong again my friend: Corny has held that Enchanted is not Boston Pirate. See posts 755 and 778. This is exactly the kind of error that makes me doubt the thoroughness and accuracy of this enterprise.
    Maybe you'd like to do some investigation yourself? It would be far more productive than endless pages of questioning Johann's typing and spelling accuracy to repeatedly imply he made errors in his findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaughOutLoud View Post
    It seems my last post in this thread (bottom of the previous page) is going on ignored, I'm just trying to work out if that's intentional or not....??

    :/
    You're such a newbie! If only one of your posts goes unnoticed, you are either lucky or fascinating.
    Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Johann, you're STILL in this fixation about Jasun and god damn Denver, and you're STILL for some unknown reason directing all your unfounded accusations towards Stacy.

    Since you haven't yet expanded this to every other JUBber on this site, I just can't understand what specifically it is about Jasun and Stacy that has deemed them in your eyes 'suspects' and 'untrustworthy' and 'under investigation'.

    Or, to put it another way, I think the only thing at this stage that would make you STOP accusing Jasun and Stacy is if your doorbell rang and the pair of them were standing there in front of you with their ID's, addresses, passwords, certificates in their hands.

    The topic is supposed to be Andreus, not a baseless witch-hunt against whomever JUBbers you choose.
    No, in Johann's defence, he was referring to Jason only as an example of how easy it is to find a person when they're actually real; he is not casting doubt on Jasun, and he's addressed the Stacy comments above.


    (of course in Jasun's case he turned up a connection to Denver that no one had ever heard heard before from one of JUBs most frank and even exhibitionist members with the details of his private life, so perhaps the jury is still out on the accuracy of the methods available..)

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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Andreus Thanos

    also spells

    he'd snort a anus
    nude ass tan hor


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    Re: Tell me more about Andreus

    Quote Originally Posted by LaughOutLoud View Post
    It seems my last post in this thread (bottom of the previous page) is going on ignored, I'm just trying to work out if that's intentional or not....??

    :/
    I saw the post, Laugh. Basically yes you're correct that any name someone gives might not be their actual name for whatever reason, even if they claim that is their real actual name. Having a 2nd poster who says they know you offline coming in and verifying it as the real actual name and not a pseudonym means that, if the name was false and given on purpose, two people presented it as a real name falsely.

    Why would they do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    You're such a newbie! If only one of your posts goes unnoticed, you are either lucky or fascinating.
    Cuh!!! But it blows this whole thing WIDE OPEN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Wrong again my friend: Corny has held that Enchanted is not Boston Pirate. See posts 755 and 778. This is exactly the kind of error that makes me doubt the thoroughness and accuracy of this enterprise.
    I don't have any emotional investment in this melodrama. And I'm not technologically minded. But I was told that someone can have two different personalities online of they have two different IP addresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I saw the post, Laugh. Basically yes you're correct that any name someone gives might not be their actual name for whatever reason, even if they claim that is their real actual name. Having a 2nd poster who says they know you offline coming in and verifying it as the real actual name and not a pseudonym means that, if the name was false and given on purpose, two people presented it as a real name falsely.

    Why would they do that?
    Were both of them asked if that was his real name? Did they both say it was?

    If someone I was friends with away from JUB asked me to go along with whatever fake name they'd given, I'm pretty sure I'd do it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaughOutLoud View Post
    Were both of them asked if that was his real name? Did they both say it was?

    If someone I was friends with away from JUB asked me to go along with whatever fake name they'd given, I'm pretty sure I'd do it.....
    Of course. But if on top of that you had a fantastically fishy over the top life story and we confirmed your name didn't exist, I'd question all the rest of it as well.

    Only reasonable no?

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    Kahil's ubiquitous stocking caps were very suspicious in my opinion. Was he secretly bald??
    Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.

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