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    After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    I'm wondering if this would work. It is time to put aside all these "Christian" groups collecting our tax monies and use them against us by working to elect pols that are against most freedoms.

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    After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

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    The simple phrase “All men are created equal” has been called an immortal declaration, and perhaps the single phrase of the United States Revolutionary period with the most grand continuing importance even though after 236 years there is still inequality in America. It is ironic that Thomas Jefferson wrote those prescient words because if he were alive today he may be astounded that despite his “wall of separation” between government and religion in the Constitution, this country still gives preferential treatment to religious organizations to the detriment of the country’s economic well-being and at the expense of taxpayers. It is time to stop forcing taxpayers to fund religion with the ridiculous tax-exempt status to bring a semblance of truth this country’s “immortal declaration” asserted over two centuries ago.
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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    I know I don't appreciate the electioneering by tax-exempt church entities aimed at taking away rights and freedoms of people such as women or LGBT being subsidized by my tax dollars.

    Taxing church organizations that would use their resources for political gain is not a violation of the free speech of the church (as many claim), but not taxing them IS a violation of my freedom to be separate and free of religion. Not to mention the hypocrisy in the fact that all other 501(c)(3) organizations have the rules against electioneering enforced, and are required to submit financial records to the IRS, something churches also are allowed to slip past.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    If I were King of America for a day, I would de-register any Church the same day the minister spoke from the pulpit for or against any political candidate or party. For either conservative or liberal causes.

    But the thing is, ministers have to be permitted to preach on the subjects that are intrinsic to their 'faith' brand. And, of course, we know that these topics for the most part are going to be about cherry picking through the proscriptions their followers get chubbed up about in order to make a case against anything that the people who pay them don't like...while studiously avoiding any of the shit that their flock like to do.

    And no church leader should even be permitted to mention anything about elections in their church. Or organize to get their members out to vote.

    And once they cross this line, they should be treated as a political organization.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by FirmaFan View Post
    I know I don't appreciate the electioneering by tax-exempt church entities aimed at taking away rights and freedoms of people such as women or LGBT being subsidized by my tax dollars.

    Taxing church organizations that would use their resources for political gain is not a violation of the free speech of the church (as many claim), but not taxing them IS a violation of my freedom to be separate and free of religion. Not to mention the hypocrisy in the fact that all other 501(c)(3) organizations have the rules against electioneering enforced, and are required to submit financial records to the IRS, something churches also are allowed to slip past.
    There's a place to start.

    But more importantly, donations to religious organizations should not be tax deductible -- that's effectively a subsidy of religion.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCIZE THEREOF, or abridging the freedom of speech......."
    Liberals think religious people must make a choice; either give up free speech or give up the FREE exercize of religion; they cannot have both their constitutional rights.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    There's a place to start.

    But more importantly, donations to religious organizations should not be tax deductible -- that's effectively a subsidy of religion.
    It's clear that the churches are given extra constitutional consideration concerning taxes. If the Churches had to prove that they were using their money for charitable purposes I would imagine that there would be a lot less poverty in this nation. Of course, if they are political, then they would lose their 501c3 status, and have to register as a 501c4.

    That means they would have to be accountable to election laws. That they are not held to this same standard as any other charity is proof again that they are given extra constitutional rights that non religious charities do not enjoy.
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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCIZE THEREOF, or abridging the freedom of speech......."
    Liberals think religious people must make a choice; either give up free speech or give up the FREE exercize of religion; they cannot have both their constitutional rights.
    Oh, no, churches can definitely have their free exercise and their freedom of speech, just like everyone else. But, if they are afforded those rights while at the same time afforded the EXTRA right of being free of taxes, the government is showing blatant favoritism, giving added benefits to churches that others do not have, thus violating the establishment clause that states no such favoritism shall be shown.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCIZE THEREOF, or abridging the freedom of speech......."
    Liberals think religious people must make a choice; either give up free speech or give up the FREE exercize of religion; they cannot have both their constitutional rights.
    And people who understand liberty see that a tax deduction is a government subsidy, so tax deductions for donations to religious entities is government subsidy of religion.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    But taxation of money donated to churches is a denial of the FREE exercise of religion. The Constitution trumps your wishes.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    But taxation of money donated to churches is a denial of the FREE exercise of religion. The Constitution trumps your wishes.
    Donations to churches are tax exempt for the individual making the donation. Churches file their tax exempt status under classification 501(c)3. Just as you file your taxes under certain classifications, so do churches. If you lie about the number of dependents, you will lose certain tax benefits. Churches must follow the same rules. If they violate the rules that classify an organization as 501(c)3, they will lose that status. Problem is, they are constantly violating the rules, but are allowed to continue uninhibited. This is not about free speech or religious protection, by not enforcing 501(c)3, religious organizations that engage in electioneering are shown preferential treatment which violates the establishment clause. Sorry, the constitution is what my wishes are based on. Churches are just used to being unbound by the rules established.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    But taxation of money donated to churches is a denial of the FREE exercise of religion. The Constitution trumps your wishes.
    That's not what the constitution says...lol

    There was no religion in government until the civil war, and that was to make the confederate look godless. Then when McCarthy had his way with the communists and their athiest behavior, they gobbed more god in the works.

    No

    There is no constitutional right to give religions preferential treatment. It's just not there.The founders were extremely concerned about the effects of religion on American society.
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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    ^If you actually read the fine print, taxing any religion's income is against the law but not the land/property they own. That is left to the states to decide. I know that because it follows similar sanctions with schools. Particularly in Boston, whenever there is a budget shortfall (and it happens a lot), colleges in particular are a whipping post for their woes. Reckon many churches in the Boston area shut due to pedophile priests.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    ^If you actually read the fine print, taxing any religion's income is against the law but not the land/property they own. That is left to the states to decide. I know that because it follows similar sanctions with schools. Particularly in Boston, whenever there is a budget shortfall (and it happens a lot), colleges in particular are a whipping post for their woes. Reckon many churches in the Boston area shut due to pedophile priests.
    The constitution has fine print protecting the rights of religions tax free status?

    Really?

    Where?
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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by FirmaFan View Post
    Donations to churches are tax exempt for the individual making the donation. Churches file their tax exempt status under classification 501(c)3. Just as you file your taxes under certain classifications, so do churches. If you lie about the number of dependents, you will lose certain tax benefits. Churches must follow the same rules. If they violate the rules that classify an organization as 501(c)3, they will lose that status. Problem is, they are constantly violating the rules, but are allowed to continue uninhibited. This is not about free speech or religious protection, by not enforcing 501(c)3, religious organizations that engage in electioneering are shown preferential treatment which violates the establishment clause. Sorry, the constitution is what my wishes are based on. Churches are just used to being unbound by the rules established.
    The Constitution trumps 501(c)3, as in "Congress shall pass no law..."

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    But taxation of money donated to churches is a denial of the FREE exercise of religion. The Constitution trumps your wishes.
    It's taxation of income, without regard to where a person puts it. It isn't religious money, it's the earner's money, and should be taxed just like all other earners' money.

    Just ask an attorney.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The Constitution trumps 501(c)3, as in "Congress shall pass no law..."
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The Constitution trumps 501(c)3, as in "Congress shall pass no law..."
    How many other laws are you willing to allow religious institutions to violate because you believe such freedoms are granted when it says "congress shall pass no law..."?

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    Re: After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

    Quote Originally Posted by FirmaFan View Post
    How many other laws are you willing to allow religious institutions to violate because you believe such freedoms are granted when it says "congress shall pass no law..."?
    My bet is he's a talibangelical himself -- so the answer is "any believers don't like".

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