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    Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    You may be in for a shock then. I had a lengthy discussion with my employer after reading on here and another site I frequent about the end of the 40 hour work week. Turns out that Denny's and Papa John's aren't the only one's considering the actions they have planned, they are the tip of the iceburg. My employer (not named at his request) is headed the same direction and believes the 40 hour week will die nationwide by the end of 2013. Employers can't afford to give people health benefits anymore because of Obamacare. He flat out told me they won't have ANY full time employees by the end of the year, before Obamacare is fully implemented, and his feeling is the only employers that will be able to afford full time employees will be the one's that got a free ride and a kiss from the President (certain Unions, McDonald's, etc)

    So... call me a liar, try to prove me wrong, talk to your boss... I expect to lose 10 hours a week by June 1st, and overtime will no longer exist. That sucks.
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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    I work in the "People's Republic of Cambridge" so I'll still have healthcare.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    I expect a 30-hour workweek to be standard with a year or two. I actually get healthcare at 30 hours, though.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Thats ridiculous . Whats the financial health of your employer? Has this firm been shedding benefits or keeping wages stagnant for yrs while its profit margin goes up. No gold watch when you retire or turkey on Christmas I bet if anyone stays that long.
    The ACA is a safe scapegoat for now for low wage non-career employers that were going or are going to do this part time thing anyway. It is not new to 2012. Business has been shedding its rosters for a couple decades in favor of profits and bonuses to the top tier. Do you think the huge gains in temporary lower wage no benefit employment hasn't been gaining ground in the last decade? Jobs to nowhere they are, future less.
    Employers both government and private have been converting lots of divisions into "contractors" sort of a self employed by law however not exactly the way it works. One thing is certain a contractor, as being self-employed by law gets no benefits or raises through the course of the paper in most cases. They must provide them on their own.

    As well major business contracts out lots of daily routine work to other private business which pay their workers lower and no benefits. Someone may say they work for Verizon but the reality is they work for a 3rd party that contracts for Verizon and pays less then Verizon would. This is a huge trend in the last 20 yrs.

    Employers don't want long term workers as well. They want a turn over to keep wages at the low end, and benefits that older workers expect. They are willing to accept this and take the entitlement of tax write offs.
    Employers use to hire a worker and actually help train them it was called OJT (on the job training). They would invest in a person lacking skills and hire them, help pay for school/vocational training, it was considers a long term investment that cost them money to do.
    Now you're shit out of luck if you can't get that training on your own. They whine they can't find trained skilled workers, but they won't lift a hand for the most to willingly hire on a full timer that has potential either.

    Jobs like Dennys and Red Lobster are low end (dead end) service sector bullshit in the first place for the majority. They are not positions that one can live on even on the margin of basic as a stand alone unless you live in a freaking tent.

    Don't fall prey to partisan bs from green weenies who are pissed off Americans are sick of corporate bullshit. Look at the profit margins of all these poor huge corporations.
    McDonalds is another piece of shit to. Its big time not just Wal-mart.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Nope.I am on Disability Pension.And I have some other welfare things too,that are guaranteed,until I die.I'm getting quite well,in fact.And we have free healthcare,by virtue of being born here.Everyone belongs to unions too.Those,who work,of course.
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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanikShade View Post
    You may be in for a shock then. I had a lengthy discussion with my employer after reading on here and another site I frequent about the end of the 40 hour work week. Turns out that Denny's and Papa John's aren't the only one's considering the actions they have planned, they are the tip of the iceburg. My employer (not named at his request) is headed the same direction and believes the 40 hour week will die nationwide by the end of 2013. Employers can't afford to give people health benefits anymore because of Obamacare. He flat out told me they won't have ANY full time employees by the end of the year, before Obamacare is fully implemented, and his feeling is the only employers that will be able to afford full time employees will be the one's that got a free ride and a kiss from the President (certain Unions, McDonald's, etc)

    So... call me a liar, try to prove me wrong, talk to your boss... I expect to lose 10 hours a week by June 1st, and overtime will no longer exist. That sucks.
    I have a theory in this. But before I present my theory, I have to explain a few things.

    Before I started my business and started working 2 full time jobs (my business and being my own secretary), I worked as an IT professional with a set yearly income. This meant that they could work me to death and I'd still be getting paid the same. Ask any IT professional and they will tell you the same thing. It was so bad that I was working every weekend, well into the night, and sometimes 48 hours straight. No matter how much I worked, I still got paid the same.

    My employer hired only a few of us to do the jobs that were meant for twice as many people. Why? Because they wanted to save money on employees.

    Recently, a friend of mine complained to me that because of obamacare, Enterprise car rental was cutting his hours from 30 hours/week down to 20. They'd rather cut down people's hours and hire more cheap workers. So, in this particular case, this Enterprise was doing the opposite of what my old employer did for the same effect. Keep the old guys with experience around to direct the newer guys who had absolutely no experience at all. They save money by doing that.

    The twist is this. They used Obamacare as an excuse to do this. But hang on a second. I asked him this question. He was working a 30hr work week. That meant that he already didn't get health benefits. So, if they cut his hours down to hire new guys that they could pay next to nothing, why blame it on Obamacare? He couldn't answer this question, and neither can anyone else.

    The fact of the matter is Obamacare is just an excuse corporations use to impose this strategy of cutting back hours of experienced workers while hiring new inexperienced workers that they could pay next to nothing for. They do this to save money on wages. Obamacare is just an excuse they use to deflect blame.

    A week ago, my b/f and I went to attend a birthday party of one of my friends. I met up with this guy I used to work with in the company I mentioned earlier. This was saturday night, and he said he had to go back to work the following Sunday morning, so he couldn't come with us to a dance club after dinner. I asked him if the company ever hired more people to help him and his people with the workload, and he said no. He then told me something that reinforced my theory on this. He said that in the last few months, his manager had been telling him that because of Obamacare they couldn't afford to hire more people so they would have to put the few people working in the department to work to death.

    BUT WAIT A DARN MINUTE! I was working in there long before there was an Obama to speak of, and they were still doing the exact same thing! Get it? They're just using Obamacare as an excuse to deflect blame. If Mitt Romney had gotten elected, it would be Romneycare that they would blame. It doesn't matter what the policies are, they will do their best to exploit their workers as much as possible to save a few bucks.

    So, to the OP, the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter of Obamacare ever existed or not. For hourly wage jobs, it's simply becoming cheaper and cheaper to cut hours of the more experienced workers in order to hire new guys that will work for next to nothing. This trend has been going on for years.

    As a matter of fact, I remember back when I was working my way through college one summer I was working at Menards. My work week composed of 39.5hr/week. They kept my work hours just under 40 to keep paying me minimum wage. There was a guy that they had worked for 15 years and his work week was still 39.5hr/week. Back then, they told us that because of Bush's minimum wage increase they couldn't afford to officially hire us as full time. I'm sure right now they are using Obamacare as an excuse to do the same damn thing. Keep people's hours just under 40 to pay them part time wages.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    I could survive if I would work half time .. oh yeah, and I'd still get healthcare.

    Nobody here understands the "american way" in this, so I won't even try. I'd just say that those companies would be on the receiving end of a shitstorm for such idiotic claims.
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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    I think I'm specialized enough that my employer has an interest in keeping me happy and working for them.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Yes!!!!!

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    I work part time (23 hours per week) because that's all I need to make the amount of money that I'm ok with earning, and healthcare is free in Denmark.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    They do, and I don't have any.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Not anymore, I retired in June. Before that, yes, full time work was my only income.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    I work full time and have health care. Obama's healthcare plan will not affect that, especially considering the fact that my boss is a huge supporter of his.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    No I do not, but the people I employ do, and at present, I have no plans to change anything. Small business is not going to really be affected, and if papa Johns wants to ad a quarter to the cost of Pizza so that all their drivers get healthcare?

    I think there's not a soul alive ordering Pizza who would notice the extra charge or try to not pay it. He didn't have a problem with giving away two million pizzas for free as an NFL promo, or having a home with multiple tunnels.

    The premise of this thread is a corporate lie.

    People need to get their craniums out of their pelvic girdles and do some thinking. The only reason these companies are bitching is because they want the poor to be poorer to the benefit of the rich.

    Until a Pizza company decides to make a promotional campaign out of bragging that they care for their employees? I will be ordering local and shopping small business, the people that usually always hire full time, and pay benefits.

    You get what you pay for, folks, and I prefer paying to companies that value their employees.

    Let these companies do this. They will go the way of the twinkie, and someone else will rise up to make a buck. It's how it always has been and will be. It's a free market economy, and if a few mamby pamby CEO's are THAT addicted to their cushy life and expected entitlements that they can;t provide for the people that make them wealthy, they are going to lose their fortune.
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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Yes. My employer is too small to be affected by the new healthcare law. They can't afford to provide healthcare, so I have a personal policy, but don't know how much longer I will be able to afford it. It costs me $638 per month now. There aren't really any expenses I can cut that will make any real difference. Screw capitalism, and corporate America...

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    Bottom line, it makes no sense to have employment be a precondition for health care.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Do your finanaces depend on full time work?

    these folks are grimey douchebags, real talk. they want you to break your back for pennies, doing long hours and they're bitching about providing you healthcare when you sick. they can kiss my ass.
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