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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post

    Look what that got them.

    Right unemployment while their product lines and jobs go to other companies....

    BTW no one is arguing management was top notch... obviously not the case... but when 14,000 people wanna cave to keep their job it seems pretty fucking shitty to allow 4,000 to stop them...

    Oh and the 14000 that wanted to stay employed were the guys driving the box trucks.... so definitively not blaming them
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the management is definitely responsible for the ultimate downfall.

    but I'd say the Baker's Union is probably why these guys won't have another few months worth of steady income while looking for a new job and won't see a buyout option that could involve keeping the existing factories running.

    my guess is that these guys stay unemployed and the brand name, recipes, and trademarks are sold to a company with production lines in Mexico.
    It happened to Mrs. Bairds here in Dallas, and to of all companies a corporation in Mexico called BIMBOS.

    Republican and Democrats keep talking about "bringing manufacturing BACK to America," but what's never discussed are which American companies own them.

    In the "Global Economy" money knows no boundaries; party, state, or national lines.

    That is going to be the battle of the 21st Century IMHO.

    When the "workers of the world unite."

    So far, here in America, "Unionized Labor" has failed the American Worker, and our elected Representatives (regardless of party) have failed Americans.

    While doing their best to convince "middle managers" like me and others, that we're just "one wrung away" from being above it all.
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    Centi... here is your wrung to the top from the corporate leaders of America....



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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Right unemployment while their product lines and jobs go to other companies....

    BTW no one is arguing management was top notch... obviously not the case... but when 14,000 people wanna cave to keep their job it seems pretty fucking shitty to allow 4,000 to stop them...

    Oh and the 14000 that wanted to stay employed were the guys driving the box trucks.... so definitively not blaming them
    Seriously!

    How "organized" can "labor" be when they can't even get on the same page, AND for the same reasons???

    *sigh*

    So let me put it into "management terms."

    The "non salaried," but supposedly organized employees weren't fucked my "management" they just fucked each other.



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    Centi... here is your wrung to the top from the corporate leaders of America....



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    Well if you insist on fucking me since you are a mod and very well hung I will go against the grain and allow you to park your panel truck in my union breakroom...


    That is against the grain stated with the most earnest integrity.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    That's exactly it, centex. People need to not jump to conclusions and blame labor unions. It seems to be a common theme in the US... to blame labor unions for their unrealistic demands. It was the management that took out a series of bad loans they couldn't pay back. Even if sales were down only 2%, the management saddled the company with debt. So much for blaming those pesky unions... again, that clearly shows management is almost entirely at fault for the downfall of the company.
    There's a flip-side to that too.

    "Corporations" like the one that I work far don't measure "profit and loss" by investment or inventory, but through "margin."

    If the employees or the "customers" are literally taking advantage of our presence in any given community, that eats into the "margin" of even staying in business there.

    On a "Corporate Level" the more successful "stores" help to cover the losses of the others.

    For example; When I worked in Management for Walmart SuperCenters, KRAFT FOODS would "cut" Walmart Corporate in Bentonville, Arkansas a great deal on creamed cheese.

    The "margin of profit" on each brick of Philadelphia Creamed Cheese was averaged upon the "margin" of profit (versus spoilage, theft, and each case making it to check out).

    MOST, (upwards of 78% of Walmart SuperCenters) showed a "profit margin" around 20% of each "brick" sold.

    Each store averaged 8 to 10 cases, at 12 bricks per PER CASE PER DAY, that's a nice margin.

    HOSTESS BRANDS did NOT innovate with the times, and their declining market share of the margin.

    Frito Lay is a great example.

    Do you think that if all that they sold were Fritos and Lays Potato Chips that they'd still be in business?

    If anything I hear their Box Truck drivers bitching that they're not putting enough of those products out their for purchase anymore.

    But HOSTESS BRANDS, and the "right wing" pundits want to blame "labor" for their failures, and that there are so many who want buy into that argument when there are so few Americans who even know WHERE and HOW their snacks arrive in their hands everyday is...frankly...depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well if you insist on fucking me since you are a mod and very well hung I will go against the grain and allow you to park your panel truck in my union breakroom...


    That is against the grain stated with the most earnest integrity.....
    What?

    You mean "bedroom?"

    And increase the square footage of your apartment by 300 feet?

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    I cannot "read" Centexfarmer's messages because "of" the abundant and mis-used quotation "marks" he includes in his posts. Doesn't he know that they are used to cast doubt about the words quoted, as in:

    A group of Tea Party "patriots" wants to arrest Latinos on sight.

    I hope that "he" can break himself of "this" fatuous habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dat outside dick View Post
    I cannot "read" Centexfarmer's messages because "of" the abundant and mis-used quotation "marks" he includes in his posts. Doesn't he know that they are used to cast doubt about the words quoted, as in:

    A group of Tea Party "patriots" wants to arrest Latinos on sight.

    I hope that "he" can break himself of "this" fatuous habit.
    It would seem that your claim that you "cannot" read Centexfarmer's posts is fatuous as evidenced by your having done so in order to comment on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    It would seem that your claim that you "cannot" read Centexfarmer's posts is fatuous as evidenced by your having done so in order to comment on them.
    Right?

    Good thing he can't see me in person. Now that I know it annoys him, I'd be using "air quotes" with my fingers just to watch his head explode.
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    And speaking of "heads exploding" ....( sorry couldn't help the use of the quotation marks), here's an article to back up my claim, which I discovered after my previous proclamation in this thread blaming management:


    It was Romney Vulture Capitalist Style Management that Killed Hostess, Not Unions


    Now where is the truth in all of this?

    Since Corporations and Venture Capitalists have more money and therefore for more influence, both in Media and in politics getting their message across, I'll side with the American working class everytime!

    And my second, and perhaps most important question, "Do we buy into the the media and corporate spin, or do we go out and find supporting evidence that only supports our views on any given issue??"

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    He told me that I needed to leave it alone, and stop dusting my writing with it.

    Just don't lose sight of what I'm saying, and if all that you can see are punctuation marks rather than to read the words under them, then somebody needs some dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I hope their righteous indignation is keeping their families fed.

    Hostess was fucked either way, in the long term... had the Baker's Union agreed to the concessions though (like the Teamster's Union did), they may have had a few extra months to look for a new job while collecting their salary.

    the Teamsters were urging the Bakers to put the contract agreement up for an anonymous vote... without public peer pressure, my guess is that it would have passed.
    Keep in mind what provoked the strike. Rather than bargain an agreement with the Baker's Union, the company filed a motion with the Bankruptcy Judge to set aside the contract and impose a new contract. The Company could have continued bargaining with the union and chose instead to have a judge impose terms. When a company files for bankruptcy, the workers always get screwed, it's just a question of degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Wow so the execs in the company were working for 1 dollar a year??? Must have had some other benefits that paid well....

    However that is quite an overture to please take a cut so we can keep our doors open....
    The executives of this company were parasites and did nothing out of the goodness of their hearts or for the good of the company. The bankruptcy judge has the power to "claw back" money that was paid for a period of time prior to the filing of a bankruptcy petition in court. It looks to me like these executives got pay increases that were not exactly kosher for a company about to file for bankruptcy. When you look at how they were compensated, it seems to me that there was a good chance the judge might of clawed back some money from them.

    Last July, the court documents said, the compensation committee of Hostess's board approved an increase in then-chief executive Brian Driscoll's salary from to $2.55 million from around $750,000.
    According to the creditors' court papers, lawyers for Hostess maintain that modifications to compensation before a filing aren't subject to the bankruptcy provision regarding incentive compensation.
    Besides Mr. Driscoll, "other executives' salaries were increased by from 35% to 80%," the creditors said.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Clearly, these executives lined their pockets before the bankruptcy. Everyone should read the WSJ article to get an idea how sleazy these guys were. Like vultures, picking the last bit of meat off of a carcass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    And speaking of "heads exploding" ....( sorry couldn't help the use of the quotation marks), here's an article to back up my claim, which I discovered after my previous proclamation in this thread blaming management:
    Thanks Centex. I should have read to the end of the thread before posting. This part of the article you cite caught my attention:

    According to the company’s 1113 bankruptcy court filing earlier this year, they planned to close at least nine bakeries as part of its reorganization plan in addition to the three bakeries that were to be closed as a result of the company’s planned sale of its Merita division.
    Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code is the part of the statute that gives the bankruptcy judge the power to reject a collective bargaining agreement. Here, when the judge granted the Company's 1113 motion, the workers struck. Since the result of the Company's motion was not only a huge pay cut for all of the workers, it would have thrown most of them out of work, too. The workers don't seem to have had much of a choice.

    None of the articles blaming the unions mention this inconvenient fact. You are 100% right that we shouldn't take any article at face value, but do a whole lot of extra research on our own. So many media outlets just reprint press releases and call it reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    None of the articles blaming the unions mention this inconvenient fact. You are 100% right that we shouldn't take any article at face value, but do a whole lot of extra research on our own. So many media outlets just reprint press releases and call it reporting.
    You know palemale, one of things that I love about lawyers and accountants?

    Is their ability to point out that the law, and the fact that math doesn't lie.

    Everything else is just emotive.

    I wanted to hyperlink ^ the definition so that everyone understands where I'm coming from.

    Thousands of jobs here in North Texas, and here in America have now been lost!

    (Not to mention the fact that many Americans my never eat an American made "Twinkie" again)

    It's not Obama's fault, and it's NOT Romney's fault.

    It's just business.

    Capitalism run amock.

    But to blame fellow Americans who got out of bed everyday with the expectation that the company that they worked for actually believed in the product that they were selling, and hired them to sell and to distribute, that this is somehow their fault?

    Oh....

    Then that defiles both character and definition, of not only the management of Hostess Brands, but those who support the "brand" over the Americans who worked for that brand.

    Which is the bill of goods, and the slop in the pig trough that so many here in America so freely want to eat at.

    Wake up people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    First off, it's not snowing in Dallas.

    And Twinkies have a "shelf live" that can survive a Nuclear Winter.
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    That shit Wonderbread sells for $3.50 to $3.79 a loaf. $3.79 for a loaf of steamed white starch! Wonderbread. If anyone buys it, it's a wonder.

    But don't worry. Twinkies will never disappear. There's so much preservative in those suckers they'll last 300 years on the shelf without going stale, unwrapped.

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    I'm so glad when I come back the next day and a thread works itself out and the issues become more clear. Thanks to Palemale and Centex for thinking and digging to find the truth.

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    What I can't get over is that the right wing not pinning all of this on Obama.

    Shooorly he is responsible for those uppity workers putting a knife through the heart of a loaf of white 'bread'. So telling...

    Oh wait. This just in for those who have no sense of tongue in cheek....

    Hey, Twinkie fans, all is not lost. All is not lost. Are you ready for this? I have some news here from The Politico. “A new White House petition wants President Obama to nationalize the ‘Twinkie industry,’ saving the popular junk food from possible extinction.” It’s a website called “We the People.”

    “We the undersigned, hereby request Barack Obama to immediately Nationalize the Twinkie industry and prevent our nation from losing her sweet creamy center.” The website is “We the People.” You know who runs it? White House. So the White House has a petition up that many people may not know is a White House petition. As far as people are concerned it’s some interested citizens who are begging President Obama to bail out the Hostess company, thereby paving the way for Obama to go in and do it, responding to public demand, when in fact it’s a White House plan from the get-go.
    http://dailyrushbo.com/

    Thanks for that, Rush...

    This of course would be one of the top petitions five mooted by the Obama cabal on the We the People petition site; the others being:

    1. ”Establish new legal system of motorcycle riding ‘Judges’ who serve as police, judge, jury, and executioner all in one.”


    3. ”Have government intervene, moderate and expedite the Collective Bargaining negotiations between the NHL and NHLPA.”


    4. “Have the President to attend a Fark.com party. If scheduling does not permit, at least have a beer with Drew Curtis”


    5. “For certain counties (within respected states) to withdraw from California and Oregon and form the State of Jefferson.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...hitehouse-gov/

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-frenzy.html

    For better or worse... depending on if you like twinkies. Of course, I can't stand them. But it appears a Mexican company, Grupo Bimbo, will take up the product line as Hostess may sell the product rights. Bimbo (funny name I know) is a major maker of bread and sweet bread products in Mexico. I know the company well. The family who owns Grupo Bimbo is worth $4 billion. No lack of cash there. They also sponsor Club America (Soccer team) and several other major ventures.

    I'm not sure what Grupo Bimbo would do for workers here in the US if they do buy product lines... will they keep workers here? Most likely not. They'll just produce the products down in Mexico where labor costs are far lower.

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    Looks like the figured out a way to outsource the jobs anyway.
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    Mexican companies tend to use less preservatives and stick to using sugar cane instead of HFCS. So maybe they'll overhaul the product lines. I still won't eat them lol.

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    I haven't eaten a twinkie since the mid nineties.

    I hate those hostess cakes too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    First off, it's not snowing in Dallas.

    And Twinkies have a "shelf live" that can survive a Nuclear Winter.
    Yeah, you Texans kill Twinkie and Ding Dong. They never should have moved.

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    Another great victory for the labor unions in their class war against employers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Another great victory for the labor unions in their class war against employers.
    Oh where CEOs fleece the company, liquidate the assets and take out millions in loans? Pay attention.

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    Is anyone shocked by this at all? It's like what they say, money talks.


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...,2355592.story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Another great victory for the labor unions in their class war against employers.
    You didn't read the whole thread did you?

    Your version of events has been debunked.

    Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Another great victory for the labor unions in their class war against employers.
    You're not paying attention to the thread. If you do want to discuss an issue, you should take the responsibility of elaborating on your position and addressing the points and arguments that have already been made on this topic.
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    Hostess not shutting down just yet as judge orders mediation

    Son of a mother frackin .........

    Who will we blame now dammit....

    U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain said at a hearing in White Plains, New York, that there are “serious questions as to the logic behind the decision to strike.” Hostess and the bakers’ union agreed to Drain’s request to enter confidential mediation under his supervision
    How fucking appropriate is a bankruptcy judge named DRAIN....lol
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    I blame the mediator!
    Hah!

    Good for them. Incidentally I am more inclined to believe a judge proposing mediation when he questions the strike decision, compared to the knee-jerk anti-unionism on display earlier in the thread.

    I've heard of "the customer is always right." I've never actually believed that. But the idea that "the employer is always right" is just outrageous.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Hostess not shutting down just yet as judge orders mediation

    Son of a mother frackin .........

    Who will we blame now dammit....



    How fucking appropriate is a bankruptcy judge named DRAIN....lol
    I don't know... if they even save the company somehow... it'll be on life support. The lack of innovation with Hostess and their products comes from the management. There is a lack of direction. For some reason I just think it's delaying the inevitable. They need someone incredibly innovative to come in and change things... if Hostess is somehow saved.

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    The article goes on to say it is doubtful that a solution involving solvency will be found... but perhaps keeping much of it intact will make a purchase offer more attractive for another company...

    I know their market share declined... no doubt but it is telling to me that there are huge sections of the bread area for all four of my local huge ass groceries that are now bare from the strike.... somehow those shelves were selling or they wouldn't be so prevalent in four groceries....
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    I don't think declining sales were the biggest problem... I heard their sales declined just 2% compared to last year (correct me if I'm wrong). I think the problem was the amount of outstanding debt Hostess had.

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    seriously the jobs are great but saving wonderbread??

    couldn't it just go out of business and then people could find work making….say…actual bread...
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Yeah that is true but that goes back to declining sale over time not allowing the company to recapitalize... hence loans and accumulated debt... perhaps losing some of that debt in bankruptcy will allow another company to absorbs the product lines and facilities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    seriously the jobs are great but saving wonderbread??

    couldn't it just go out of business and then people could find work making….say…actual bread...


    M GOD ACTUAL BREAD!!!

    Socialist. I bet you patronize - bakeries - hotbeds of Socialism those.

    Besides you're just trying to sneak gov subsidized SOCIALIST education past me since of course they'd all have to go to school to learn how to make actual bread.

    Bastard.

    you're Canadian aren't you.
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    Excellent marketing. As expected the union called the corporate bluff to shut down. Corporate released a press release that Hostess was shutting down creating the best public relations and sales spurt any company could hope for. The Bankruptcy judge in a typical move ordered another mediation attempt, which both parties agree to of course. Meanwhile Twinkies are selling for $6.00 a pack if they can be found and all of the suddenly Hostess, continental bakery, & drake brands are a household word and relevant in 2012 regardless of a dinosaur infrastructure and product line. No money needed for this marketing, no investment in new product. Its a win for corporate even if it only extends the shut down a few months. Maybe the workers as well, maybe not.
    The long term winners will be the venture capital because they will still bleed this company down to nothing and take the profits rather now or in the next couple of yrs.
    The interest of the teamsters was a bit different then the static needs of the line and plant workers so it was easier to come to terms with them, however teamsters support their Brothers and sisters who voted not accept the contract as presented. Their is a difference in support and acceptance over being happy and eager that this happened.
    Any fool who thinks its a easy decision for a union to vote against a contract that should shut the doors on a career job and life blood for its work force is very naive. Not a doubt in the world that every union member knows the cards and who will lose when the plant closes, and it won't be the CEO or upper tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post


    M GOD ACTUAL BREAD!!!

    Socialist. I bet you patronize - bakeries - hotbeds of Socialism those.

    Besides you're just trying to sneak gov subsidized SOCIALIST education past me since of course they'd all have to go to school to learn how to make actual bread.

    Bastard.

    you're Canadian aren't you.
    LOL well, you caught me. But I'm from western Canada, which means I'm happy to go to a giant multinational chain masquerading as a local bakery, like COBS Bread. You have to go to Toronto if you want the real hard-core socialists who will only buy a locally-grown organic stone-ground seven-grain heritage-grain fair-trade gluten-free loaf. It's artisanal!

    But COBS is just fine by me - giant Australian multinational incidentally. Mmmmmm. Yummy ham & cheese croissant!

    (croissant is liberal elitist for "bun.")




    (in american terms, sort of like a twinkie stuffed with a cheese dog instead of icing)
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    So you librul canuckistanians eat pig-n-blankets and think it is elite instead of redneck? weird...

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    This was a GRAND Media-play which allows The Powers that be @ Hostess to chose the Highest bidder in order to privatize the Company.....

    I gotta give it to'em...They wanted to stick it to their Employees and thanks to the International Media Grandstanding it was accomplished and they've got Bids flowing in.....

    Yeah i use to eat Twinkies when I was kid...Like any child ANYTHING sweet was a treasure...But I couldnt finish a Damn Twinkie today if my Life depended on it....It's NASTY and it tastes so FAKE....Read the ingrediants on the package....They stopped putting Flour and Sugar inside the mixing-bowl decades ago and now Companies like Hostess make those treats with Artificai shit that's made in a Lab....It's not REAl that's why it tastes strange and yucky....Kids don't know any better but their parenst should....

    It looks like Little Debbie ain't having any Problems....I was at Wal-mart this morning and Little Debbie's products were displayed on three shelves right in your face...Hostess had a little-bitty space that no one would notice...

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    Cheese does not belong in a pig-in-a-blanket. If you want to bring back 1970's haute cuisine, you know full well the cheese goes in the cheese ball, and the pigs-in-blankets are served separately. Now bring me the colour-coded fondue forks.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Fine no cheese on your little weeny...



    Still I cannot believe you'd put these balls in your mouth....



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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    I've been accused of not reading "what's being posted around me."

    Like I should follow the pack, or whatever "narrative" that's being "laid down."

    When I was trying to get out of management with Walmart, and move back to Dallas to be closer to my Family, Hostess seemed like a good fit for me.

    But I didn't get the job.

    And I'm thankful now for unanswered prayers that I didn't.

    Hostess Brands didn't have a problem with "labor" they had a problem with "management" and "innovation."



    So I'll just cut to the "cheap shots."

    Who in their right mind, in today's 'American Nanny State' would create a "cake" filled with hydrogenated fats, and God knows what else?

    Where the biggest innovation was taking Ding Dongs out of their aluminum encased "wrapper" and placing them (individually) into a plastic encased wrapper, while still marketing them in the same BOX?

    But those greedy ass motherfuckers who drove those big box trucks up to every Mom and Pop Supermarket, Convenience Store, and National Box Chain are to blame!

    That clearly lets the management of Hostess Brands off the hook, while they sail away on their "golden parachutes."

    I didn't bother to read every post since you created this thread, and I'm a little surprised that you'd side with management on this one.

    But my posts suck, and I'm apparently not paying attention as a "moderator."

    Present company excluded.

    Pfffffft!
    LOL

    I haven't taken anyone's side, just started with the final straw of the affair.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    As with any complicated issue, there are two sides to every story. It appeared as though that mismanagement was the true cause of the downfall of Hostess ... and management wanted the workers to sacrifice even more and live on un-liveable wages as a result of their mis-management of the company.

    I sympathize with the workers, though. It is what it is.
    There's a good question: what were these workers actually making?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Just thought I might post this here...


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    Throwin' it out there.

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    Throwin' it out there.
    no one is arguing that Hostess wasn't fundamentally mismanaged (though, for the record, the CEO who gave the execs raises was fired and replaced with a new CEO working on a $1/year salary... most of the other execs also gave up their raises)... but the strike is why Hostess is out of business today instead of 6 months from now, taking away months of salary and time the workers could have spent looking for new jobs.

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