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    Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    I think this is getting just a bit out of control...

    http://samuel-warde.com/2012/11/man-...s-re-election/

    A Mesa, Arizona, woman was arrested over the weekend after allegedly chasing her husband around a Gilbert parking lot in an SUV, eventually pinning underneath the vehicle and a curb.
    According to police, the woman, Holly Solomon, 28, believed her family’s hardships were going to increase as a result of President Obama’s re-election and she was angry with her husband for not voting.
    Her husband, Daniel Solomon, is currently in the hospital in critical condition, but told police officers that his wife “just hated Obama” and was enraged at his re-election.
    She ran her husband down for not voting against Obama...crazy?

    You haven't heard real crazy yet....

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    Henry Hamilton was found dead on Nov. 8, with his home littered with empty pill bottles. According to palmbeachpost.com a suicide note was found that said:

    "Do not revive! F*ck Obama!"

    Hamilton lived with his partner Michael Cossey, who was the first to find the body after returning home from an evening out with friends.

    Cossey says Hamilton told him "If Barack gets re-elected, I'm not going to be around."
    What in the world are these people thinking? This is what extremism in politics and political propaganda get you.

    The GOP Governors are trying to quell the confused masses, but if the angry mob turns on them, one can only guess how long or who will eventually be killed by the next psycho with an automatic.

    This is a powder Keg and it's slowly exploding. People need to get a grip.
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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    And the Darwin Award goes to... I realize any loss of human life is a tragedy, but somehow I can't force myself to feel sympathy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And the Darwin Award goes to... I realize any loss of human life is a tragedy, but somehow I can't force myself to feel sympathy...
    What he said.

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    I feel bed that the husband got run over, but honest to Pete...the guy that offed himself because the black guy won again??

    No loss.

    I thought that there might be one or two on JUB who might go on a 4 year bender because Romney

    didn't get the keys to the Prezident's washroom.....but I can't even picture our most passionate Obama haters on here running one of the 'progressives' down or swallowing all their Xanax at one go.

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    The self-hating faggot in Key West who decided it was the end of the world so he ends his life? Please.........give me a fucking break. That is the definition of drama queen. He owned a TANNING SALON in Key West......there's common sense for you.
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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Downright disturbing... people who are willing to go to such extremes over election? I'd tell these idiots this... I and many others had to put up with Bush for eight years, resulting in years of anguish and frustration... and I'm still here. That guy in Key West a self hating hypocrite.

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Just reaffirms my mom's definition of "extraterrestrials" -- terrestrials we could do without.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    I believe similar incidents happened during Ronald & Clinton's re-election...Very sad and those that don't care about any Loss of Life are not decent Human beings...

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    I believe similar incidents happened during Ronald & Clinton's re-election...Very sad and those that don't care about any Loss of Life are not decent Human beings...
    Minority statement here

    Very sad indeed MM

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Minority statement here

    Very sad indeed MM
    Aren't you supposed to counter factual claims with facts?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    I believe similar incidents happened during Ronald & Clinton's re-election...Very sad and those that don't care about any Loss of Life are not decent Human beings...

    I think you meant to say "every"
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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    While i'm sad that these people decided to permanently solve a temporary problem, it's still silly to kill yourself because Obama won. Killing yourself really stuck it to that gay socialist atheist Muslim!

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Welcome to Obama Derangement Syndrome II!

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    http://thegrio.com/2012/09/28/man-al...a-re-election/

    I'm sure we remember this one... sickening...

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Libertarians will feel no sorrow for the guy that committed suicide. It's their general ideology that if he wants to die, then he ought to be allowed to kill himself.

    I am not a libertarian, but really? Killing yourself because Obama won? That queen had bigger issues than the presidency, as do all these cases. Just like the insurgence in massacres in this nation, when a political machine carries incessant rage against Obama, and he wins, this is what happens. Crazy people think that the pretend world of the GOP really is the real one.

    They do this shit, and low and behold you find yourself acquainted with an entirely new arm of the American Government... Justice. Facts are still facts in the courts, and political head games are not considered truths, just motives for a crime.
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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    When crazy people were spoonfed bullshit from the GOP and Fox News about how far ahead they were in the polls and how it was going to be a Romney landslide, one can only expect this to happen. I think the GOP and Fox News are guilty of taking advantage of vulnerable people and manipulating them.

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    These people were obviously in a deep state of psychological distress already. Unfortunately, we as a country don't take mental illness seriously enough. A lot of violence and suicide would be avoided if we did I suspect.

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    When crazy people were spoonfed bullshit from the GOP and Fox News about how far ahead they were in the polls and how it was going to be a Romney landslide, one can only expect this to happen. I think the GOP and Fox News are guilty of taking advantage of vulnerable people and manipulating them.
    This reminds me of the gullible sheep who got fleeced by Harold Camping.

    I've seen the pic of the woman who ran over her husband. Troubled.



    As for Henry Hamilton....Seroquel and Xanax would seem to indicate a serious underlying psychiatric condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This reminds me of the gullible sheep who got fleeced by Harold Camping.

    I've seen the pic of the woman who ran over her husband. Troubled.



    As for Henry Hamilton....Seroquel and Xanax would seem to indicate a serious underlying psychiatric condition.
    Ah Harold Camping... there was one guy in New York who spent his life savings on a billboard ad campaign... must have felt like a dumbass after. He was totally shellshocked when nothing happened on May 21st, 2011.

    I think there must be a new focus on mental health in this country... and to help those who need it. People often get manipulated when they are at their most vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    These people were obviously in a deep state of psychological distress already. Unfortunately, we as a country don't take mental illness seriously enough. A lot of violence and suicide would be avoided if we did I suspect.
    This. Nobody - however stupid - takes their own life over an election, if they don't have deeper reasons for doing so. That said, you can only protect people from themselves so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    This. Nobody - however stupid - takes their own life over an election, if they don't have deeper reasons for doing so. That said, you can only protect people from themselves so much.
    But you can provide services and refuge. Want to know the largest institution for the mentally ill in the US of A? It's the Los Angeles County Jail. That's just indicative of the fact that except for those with wealthy families, for the most part Americans pay attention to the needy in their midst when they get so desperate or off-kilter that they commit crimes.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This reminds me of the gullible sheep who got fleeced by Harold Camping.

    I've seen the pic of the woman who ran over her husband. Troubled.



    As for Henry Hamilton....Seroquel and Xanax would seem to indicate a serious underlying psychiatric condition.
    The photo says so much about the condition of that woman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But you can provide services and refuge. Want to know the largest institution for the mentally ill in the US of A? It's the Los Angeles County Jail. That's just indicative of the fact that except for those with wealthy families, for the most part Americans pay attention to the needy in their midst when they get so desperate or off-kilter that they commit crimes.
    I'm sorry to be insensitive here, but how about we educate people a bit more, so they develop more than ONE psychological layer and are capable of fixing their own problems without a giant mental health industry? Yes, many people do need professional help. But I bet ten times that number seek it simply because they are taught they can't deal with this stuff without it. Like so many things in this country, it's another way to get money from gullible folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm sorry to be insensitive here, but how about we educate people a bit more, so they develop more than ONE psychological layer and are capable of fixing their own problems without a giant mental health industry? Yes, many people do need professional help. But I bet ten times that number seek it simply because they are taught they can't deal with this stuff without it. Like so many things in this country, it's another way to get money from gullible folks.
    We don't need a giant industry, we just need a modest support system. A large number of mentally ill in L.A. County Jail, Crook County Jail, and Riker's Island Jail -- the largest de facto treatment centers for the mentally ill (and drug addiction!) in the country -- would not need the "care" they're given if we just had a modest system that would get them through their initial problems and be there as a resource for relapse.

    What we have now is a way of subsidizing the jail industry. We could free up half the space in the country's jails and save many millions of dollars just by providing that modest support.

    And BTW, the pharmaceutical companies would fight such reform -- they sell more psych pills this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm sorry to be insensitive here, but how about we educate people a bit more, so they develop more than ONE psychological layer and are capable of fixing their own problems without a giant mental health industry? Yes, many people do need professional help. But I bet ten times that number seek it simply because they are taught they can't deal with this stuff without it. Like so many things in this country, it's another way to get money from gullible folks.
    Have you ever spent anytime in correctional custody units anywhere in the nation? I have had the pleasure for a variety of reasons associated with my work. So tell me if a 16yo kid is in a stall separated from the other inmates because he likes to pace aggressively, spit and bang his head against the floor is that a failure to find another layer or being Nuckin Futs?

    SPend a weekend watching lockup on MSNBC and tell me that these folks just didnt learn a successful layer .... then head down to any inner city area at around midnight and tell me how that layer stuff is working out for you.... then imagine you live in that environment 24/7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm sorry to be insensitive here, but how about we educate people a bit more, so they develop more than ONE psychological layer and are capable of fixing their own problems without a giant mental health industry? Yes, many people do need professional help. But I bet ten times that number seek it simply because they are taught they can't deal with this stuff without it. Like so many things in this country, it's another way to get money from gullible folks.
    Speaking of more than one layer, how's about some attention span while reading posts past the first sentence you don't agree with?
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    But to the population you argue with Kuli about do you understand that they are all incarcerated? That many of those folks have similar problems and it has zero to do with layer development?

    trust me I am the least likely person on these boards to simply give a warm hug and a pass to every issue I see but the problem with our mental health system is epidemic and culturally ingrained in parts of our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gewhite3 View Post
    The self-hating faggot in Key West...owned a TANNING SALON in Key West......there's common sense for you.
    Well, if you go to KW in January you may need to lay down a controlled base before you go out in the intense tropical sunlight.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    When crazy people were spoonfed bullshit from the GOP and Fox News about how far ahead they were in the polls and how it was going to be a Romney landslide, one can only expect this to happen. I think the GOP and Fox News are guilty of taking advantage of vulnerable people and manipulating them.
    I think this is where most of the problem comes from. It wasn't that they were disappointed; it's that they were SHOCKED. And they could only be shocked because they were mislead by sources that are anything from innumerate to blatantly untruthful. If you only looked at Fox News and Rasmussen polls and listened to Romney, Ryan, and Rove, you could get the impression that a Romney landslide was in the offing.

    Even the mainstream (as opposed to right-wing propagandist like Fox News) press was, as usual, painting the Presidential race as close. And it was, in the popular vote, though not as close as they were claiming; but the popular vote is not how we elect the President of the United States. The Electoral College vote hasn't been close for months. The innumerate and the Constitutionally ignorant were counting on a few votes turning around at the last minute; unfortunately the ones that could have turned weren't in the swing states (except Florida, which went from pink to powder-blue while I was offline following Sandy).

    Next time they should trust Nate Silver instead of Bill O'Reilly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But you can provide services and refuge. Want to know the largest institution for the mentally ill in the US of A? It's the Los Angeles County Jail. That's just indicative of the fact that except for those with wealthy families, for the most part Americans pay attention to the needy in their midst when they get so desperate or off-kilter that they commit crimes.
    This is why we need a comprehensive universal single-payer health system that includes mental health. And only the federal government can run a program that large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Críostóir View Post
    I think this is where most of the problem comes from. It wasn't that they were disappointed; it's that they were SHOCKED. And they could only be shocked because they were mislead by sources that are anything from innumerate to blatantly untruthful. If you only looked at Fox News and Rasmussen polls and listened to Romney, Ryan, and Rove, you could get the impression that a Romney landslide was in the offing.

    This is why we need a comprehensive universal single-payer health system that includes mental health. And only the federal government can run a program that large.
    Hey I couldn't agree more with this statement. I drive a lot so I listen in occasionally to whatever rant Limbuagh is off on and because i have a general grasp of current news I can always tell what part of the story Limbaugh is leaving out. it is sickening and akin to yellow journalism in my humble opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    But to the population you argue with Kuli about do you understand that they are all incarcerated? That many of those folks have similar problems and it has zero to do with layer development?

    trust me I am the least likely person on these boards to simply give a warm hug and a pass to every issue I see but the problem with our mental health system is epidemic and culturally ingrained in parts of our society.

    Part of many reasons why I believe health care for all is a damn good thing
    I guess there was some static. The way I understood it, he was just giving the jail as an example of how the system is not well equipped to deal with mentally disturbed people. I don't think he was talking exclusively about prisoners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    But to the population you argue with Kuli about do you understand that they are all incarcerated? That many of those folks have similar problems and it has zero to do with layer development?

    trust me I am the least likely person on these boards to simply give a warm hug and a pass to every issue I see but the problem with our mental health system is epidemic and culturally ingrained in parts of our society.

    Part of many reasons why I believe health care for all is a damn good thing
    Mental health care for all would save money on the whole. In jails, they're just given drugs, and then other drugs to keep them docile. In actual care, they'd be kept to a minimum of drugs with a goal of getting them free completely. And in jails, they just learn new ways to act out, thus guaranteeing more crime.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Críostóir View Post
    Well, if you go to KW in January you may need to lay down a controlled base before you go out in the intense tropical sunlight.



    I think this is where most of the problem comes from. It wasn't that they were disappointed; it's that they were SHOCKED. And they could only be shocked because they were mislead by sources that are anything from innumerate to blatantly untruthful. If you only looked at Fox News and Rasmussen polls and listened to Romney, Ryan, and Rove, you could get the impression that a Romney landslide was in the offing.

    Even the mainstream (as opposed to right-wing propagandist like Fox News) press was, as usual, painting the Presidential race as close. And it was, in the popular vote, though not as close as they were claiming; but the popular vote is not how we elect the President of the United States. The Electoral College vote hasn't been close for months. The innumerate and the Constitutionally ignorant were counting on a few votes turning around at the last minute; unfortunately the ones that could have turned weren't in the swing states (except Florida, which went from pink to powder-blue while I was offline following Sandy).
    "Shocked" isn't a sufficient word. Imagine waking up one morning and finding that the world wide wide did not, in fact, exist, and JUB was a board managed by NOM to "heal" us all.

    That's comparable for many Republicans: their reality was shattered.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I guess there was some static. The way I understood it, he was just giving the jail as an example of how the system is not well equipped to deal with mentally disturbed people. I don't think he was talking exclusively about prisoners.
    No, I wasn't. But the jail situation is exemplary of how we as a society don't want to help the mentally ill yet want the government to keep them out of our way.

    Ironically, opposing government care for the mentally ill is actually an argument for bigger government, in the form of police and jails.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    "Shocked" isn't a sufficient word. Imagine waking up one morning and finding that the world wide wide did not, in fact, exist, and JUB was a board managed by NOM to "heal" us all.

    That's comparable for many Republicans: their reality was shattered.
    Yep. I think you're dead-on there. But the point is, they voluntarily gave themselves to the false world they were living in, and they did it for YEARS before this election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    No, I wasn't. But the jail situation is exemplary of how we as a society don't want to help the mentally ill yet want the government to keep them out of our way.

    Ironically, opposing government care for the mentally ill is actually an argument for bigger government, in the form of police and jails.
    Well, that depends on how you count private for-profit prisons, a burgeoning industry in this country. Their lobby is why we have mandatory-minimum sentences and pernicious memes like "if you do the crime, you should do the time" (keying right into the stupid-person belief that if something rhymes it must be true).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I guess there was some static. The way I understood it, he was just giving the jail as an example of how the system is not well equipped to deal with mentally disturbed people. I don't think he was talking exclusively about prisoners.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Mental health care for all would save money on the whole. In jails, they're just given drugs, and then other drugs to keep them docile. In actual care, they'd be kept to a minimum of drugs with a goal of getting them free completely. And in jails, they just learn new ways to act out, thus guaranteeing more crime.
    Yeah I am not trying to piss in anyone's Wheaties but it is clearly evident to me that our incarcerated population does not receive adequate mental health care. By care I mean cared for to a successful outcome. Not just having a chat with a different mental health worker every time a prisoner has an outburst...

    One could easily argue Texas has the reputation of being the toughest penal system on crime... remember the joking about other states banning death penalties while Texas put in a speed line....? Well Texas finally realized that being at the forefront of incarceration was going to bankrupt the state... so they changed to rehab and training instead of incarceration for many crimes....


    (I highly encourage anyone with a interest in our incarcerated nation
    to read this article and more on Texas they are doing wonderful things)

    They have been so successful last year they did something that has never occurred before in Texas. They closed a prison.

    Treatment and training is the answer for these folks run over by our capitalistic society of self attainment. For whatever reason they were never given a chance and I would argue faulty thinking has a strong basis for why these folks do things incorrectly. Faulty thinking can be overcome through treatment...

    Think of it this way... would anyone argue that a criminal was thinking incorrectly when they stole or even murdered?
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    I think this is where most of the problem comes from. It wasn't that they were disappointed; it's that they were SHOCKED. And they could only be shocked because they were mislead by sources that are anything from innumerate to blatantly untruthful. If you only looked at Fox News and Rasmussen polls and listened to Romney, Ryan, and Rove, you could get the impression that a Romney landslide was in the offing.
    Absol-freaking-utely (I just came up with that one lol). There was serious shock among republicans that they lost. They had their own internal polls, and nonsense like Rasmussen and Gallup backing them up. They had some outlier polls in Michigan and Pennsylvania that gave them a false sense of hope (both states Obama won by 5-7%).

    Romney's own camp had their own internal polling that put them ahead. They even purchased a fireworks display. Some may some of Romney's own people were covering up the reality that they were way behind, but I honestly think his campaign really thought they would win. Paul Ryan had a reaction of shock himself.

    Even the mainstream (as opposed to right-wing propagandist like Fox News) press was, as usual, painting the Presidential race as close. And it was, in the popular vote, though not as close as they were claiming; but the popular vote is not how we elect the President of the United States. The Electoral College vote hasn't been close for months. The innumerate and the Constitutionally ignorant were counting on a few votes turning around at the last minute; unfortunately the ones that could have turned weren't in the swing states (except Florida, which went from pink to powder-blue while I was offline following Sandy).

    Next time they should trust Nate Silver instead of Bill O'Reilly.
    Nate Silver was right all along. The race was never close... he never gave Romney beyond a 30% chance of winning, even after the first debate. I'm not sure if it was Sandy that did it, but even before hurricane Sandy Romney's chances according to Silver were less than 25%.

    Even on this forum we had scathing indictments from some right jubbers that the polls were all wrong and they didn't sample republicans enough.

    Here is the truth... the polls didn't have as many republicans as democrats because republicans were doing a piss poor job registering people to vote and there are more democrats than republicans. It's just simple math.

    Of course math is a bunch of "goobly goop" according to one talking head on Fox... but one Fox news anchor Megyn Kelly had a moment of clarity and said it well enough to Karl Rove: “Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?”

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    Yeah, the guy from Unskewed Polls admitted after the fact that he was wrong and Nate Silver was right, which I thought was actually pretty good of him. But you don't "unskew" things by changing the sampling to favor the side you want! You'd think any non-innumerate person would know that.
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    Well, that depends on how you count private for-profit prisons, a burgeoning industry in this country. Their lobby is why we have mandatory-minimum sentences and pernicious memes like "if you do the crime, you should do the time" (keying right into the stupid-person belief that if something rhymes it must be true).
    Not just their lobby -- the "lock them up" lobby in government is hefty as well. Sheriffs and police chiefs build their little empires and try to expand them at every chance. Prosecutors assist them because it makes them look good to lock criminals up.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Yeah I am not trying to piss in anyone's Wheaties but it is clearly evident to me that our incarcerated population does not receive adequate mental health care. By care I mean cared for to a successful outcome. Not just having a chat with a different mental health worker every time a prisoner has an outburst...
    Three different mental health professionals have admitted to me that half of what is done "for" the mentally ill in incarceration pushes people toward suicide and exacerbates other problems as well. The only sensible solution is to get them out of the prison system, period, and into places where they can be treated, where most can be stabilized for new lives.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    I am always amazed and fascinated by the way republicans show their disapproval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gewhite3 View Post
    The self-hating faggot in Key West who decided it was the end of the world so he ends his life? Please.........give me a fucking break. That is the definition of drama queen. He owned a TANNING SALON in Key West......there's common sense for you.
    Gay or not, how about us Gays not use those terms? It frankly gives ammo to Straights ... which is no different than Blacks who call each other "Nigger". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Gay or not, how about us Gays not use those terms? It frankly gives ammo to Straights ... which is no different than Blacks who call each other "Nigger". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
    Queer used to be an incredibly offensive term, but the gay community took the word and changed its connotation.

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    Re: Romney supporters attempt murder and commit suicide over Obama win

    Bottom line,many far right wingers just can't accept the fact FAux news was wrong and that Obama got reelected.

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    There are words everyone doesn't like. I used faggot in my post because I thought it was appropriate given the fact that somebody would off themselves (especially a gay man) just because Obama was re-elected. I wanted it's usage to invoke some emotion or feeling from the reader about just how fucking stupid this person's suicide was, and just how truly stupid the person was for doing it.

    When I'm talking to friends and family, gay or straight, I use the word on occasion and will continue to do so. I think if gays take ownership of the word, it will eventually lose most or all of any power people perceive it as having.
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    Queer used to be an incredibly offensive term, but the gay community took the word and changed its connotation.
    I can't recall getting the email....

    The word queer is offensive to me, and it is just as offensive when its a group of gays using it to describe 'us'. No. They can call themselves queer if they want, but don't include me in that.

    I'm not odd or unusual or stange, and i don't need a word to describe me as such, nor do i need it as slang for gay, when gay IS the slang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    The word queer is offensive to me, and it is just as offensive when its a group of gays using it to describe 'us'. No. They can call themselves queer if they want, but don't include me in that.
    I'm not asking for everyone to be fine with it, I'm just stating what has happened in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    I can't recall getting the email....

    The word queer is offensive to me, and it is just as offensive when its a group of gays using it to describe 'us'. No. They can call themselves queer if they want, but don't include me in that.

    I'm not odd or unusual or stange, and i don't need a word to describe me as such, nor do i need it as slang for gay, when gay IS the slang.
    Strange. I got the email. There is an entire movement of young people that refuses to label itself as "gay" or "lesbian" or "transgender", and calls itself "queer". It's an LGBT mainstream term with almost zero negative connotation now.
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    ^ refuses to label itself, and does so by labelling itself??? And with a derogatory term. Whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    ^ refuses to label itself, and does so by labelling itself??? And with a derogatory term. Whatever.
    I don't see how the term is derogatory... especially when considering context. Some also use the term "genderqueer" but that's a bit of a different subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I don't see how the term is derogatory... especially when considering context. Some also use the term "genderqueer" but that's a bit of a different subject.
    In what context exactly, is using the term queer, NOT reinforcing the narrow mind?

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