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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    That person should understand what I keep repeating so many times on different tastes on different subjects, like men, etc.: what I attack is never the particular taste, and that is something I am EXPLICIT about with words, like when I say that you can wear whatever you want and it is all the same because, like that person himself allows, "fashion is subjective"...

    what prompts my attacks are posts of the sort of Bess', treating people like beggars for, allegedly, not dressing like "royalty", like the royalty he can represent when he attends some Gotha gathering. He works on his conviction concerining certain assumptions which he does not express as being merely "subjective", but as some true standard of superiority.

    The problem with people like Bess is that they do not seem have a real sense of anything, in fashion like the rest, but just grab on labels and received opinions and prejudices and stick to them with a sense odf superiority which, being prevalent, not needing to fight its way because, no matter how hurtful, it already has its place even on the mind of people who do not agree with them, gives them a twofold sense of security: first, that they do not need to learn anything, at least not anything they consider important (which is just a milder, sneaky way of actually saying that there is nothing they need to be taught anymore) and, most importantly, that what they hold as an opinion is not just an opinion, but THE truth (no matter how sneaky and falsly humble they pretend to deny it) and, therefore, that they PERSONALLY hold a morally superior stance by virtue of that truth stuck to whatever they have left for brains after all that hardening.

    And just like people who get so wrought up that they forget how they started quarreling, people reading me forget how all that alleged gratuituous trashing against the American in general was not such, but was a trashing against the prepotence of certain Americans, whose attitude is rejected even by those who only look at the one attacking an American, and not why is he doing so.
    No wonder, then, that it is so easy to dupe people when the subject involves politics and international conflicts, when people get so easily misled under the strain of joining up to sentences discussing FACTS and IDEAS, and not reducing the discussion to a mere useless and disjointed quarrel about the association of the disputants FOR or AGAINST either of two given sides.

    In his last posts, Bess is a perfect example to that reduction to a plain good or bad individuals according to two sides: first he quotes a maxim which substance is reduced to "the other people are foolish", and that serves to maintain his peace of mind without going under the strain of what exactly is accounted for under "foolish", which is nothing substantial in itself but a mere feeling of rejection that can be applied to one thing and its opposite without incurring in any contradiction, because they are not dealing with actual thoughts or sense, just mere "spasms" of the mind.
    Then, he quotes another post which point is not so much to discuss anything, but express that same rejection that he considers of interest in supporting him, without further mental strain in any discussion about what he is feeling is fair or not: he is only interested in feeling his position to be perfectly justified... but the mere fact that he is STILL caring about this whole discussion, when he is childishly ignoring me directly, is that he is still addressing to me through others but, again, in the most comfortable way of reducing it all to I am bad, not because of what I actually say, but because of how I make some people feel, by misunderstanding or not and, most importantly, how I make HIM feel.
    To appreciate Hard-up1, way more.

    And to agree with johaninsc's comment above.

    now where did i put those paracetamols.

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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    I should not speak for him, but I am quite sure he would acknowledge he can learn from you. Perhaps you think he is shying from the content of your posts whereas it is the form that irks him ?

    Does an enlightened one need to address others in terms understandable and receivable by others or should he remain in his ivory tower draped in his wisdom and knowledge that nobody profit upon ?

    Maybe efforts should be made by both party.
    If I pretended to "enlighten", THEn you could call me pompous, pretentious and whatever else you like... but if I simply expose something and some are not willing to deal with it because they expect everything to be peeled, chewed and seasoned for them very nicely..; if they REALLY price and pride their OWN ability and intellect to deal with anything and learn, then is it me or just the habits that have spoiled their ability to react, when at all, that they could rather be deploring and complaining about?

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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    In all fairness, Belamo has been critical of so many nationalities/ethnicities in the past (including his own people) that I lost count, it would probably be quicker to ask who Belamo doesn't bash (Mozart maybe...)

    And in all fairness to you, despite quoting you and answering your post here, I do not agree with Belamo on his characterization of your supposed pedestal syndrome and manichaeism... I just think both your writing styles, the way you express yourselves, can be misunderstood when they sometimes stretch the seriousness of the context of their posting to unexpected levels...
    As I said above, and as I said right there for the -nth time, what I am critical with is arguments, opinions, attitudes, actions... but even people who want to be reasonable, like you, find it hard, when not impossible, to dissociate all those arguments, opinions, attitudes, actions, etc. from, not just individuals, but from a confuse mass that is comfortably labelled as "nation X", or "the good", "the bad", "the not-actually-good-but-acceptable-anyway"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    To appreciate Hard-up1, way more.

    And to agree with johaninsc's comment above.

    now where did i put those paracetamols.
    And they still say I am The Obscure...

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    Bendy's was a brief comment, to be sure.

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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    As I said above, and as I said right there for the -nth time, what I am critical with is arguments, opinions, attitudes, actions... but even people who want to be reasonable, like you, find it hard, when not impossible, to dissociate all those arguments, opinions, attitudes, actions, etc. from, not just individuals, but from a confuse mass that is comfortably labelled as "nation X", or "the good", "the bad", "the not-actually-good-but-acceptable-anyway"...
    Most, if not all, we know we learned from third parties, thus the difficulty to absorb the learned content without the bias that comes with it from the source...
    We are a social specie and it is vital to us as human beings to belong to a group thus having to accept a variety of things, opinions, attitudes, consciously or not, especially when they do not contradict our very own systems of thoughts and morals...
    Yes it is sometimes difficult for me, as for most people, to dissociate individuals' from groups' opinions since groups' opinions are usually the sum of individuals' opinions or the accepted imposition of a few opinions' unto the group. Broad traits define broad masses... and broad discussions.
    That doesn't mean everyone is free (and welcome) to refine levels of subtleties in appreciation/dissociation to an individual level as they see fit when discussing a particular topic.
    Are we in agreement?

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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    That doesn't mean everyone is free (and welcome) to refine levels of subtleties in appreciation/dissociation to an individual level as they see fit when discussing a particular topic.
    Didn't you mean the opposite ?

    To have real meaningful conversations would require an understanding and agreement on the meanings of all the words we employ. Practically, it's near impossible, cumbersome and tiresome. Hence we must tacitly agree that we speak at the same level. When evidences point to the fact that we are not, we have to stop the exchange and discuss what is the level and what signification of the words employed we meant.

    But we are not emotionless beings and one must contend with the other's emotions. The same sentence uttered at different times to the same person could lead to two very different reactions.
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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    If I pretended to "enlighten", THEn you could call me pompous, pretentious and whatever else you like...
    I didn't mean to imply that you pretended. It's me who believe you could enlighten us. If I'm wrong, blame me
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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Bendy's was a brief comment, to be sure.
    It is not the length what made his post obscure to me, but the obscure relation of that obvious filling, sandwiched between the two equally obvious slices

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    @To all:

    I appreciate your efforts to bring a conciliatory note to the Belamo episode, but I really don't hold any interest.

    I see him as a rude, mean, and nasty person, and I don't want to associate with people like that. I flushed him down the toilet for good.

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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    @To all:

    I appreciate your efforts to bring a conciliatory note to the belamo episode, but I really don't hold any interest.

    I see him as a rude, mean, and nasty person, and I don't want to associate with people like that. I flushed him down the toilet for good.

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    Re: What have you learnt today?

    Joann, flushing someone 'down the toilet' is hardly ever good.

    You and my other buddy Senor Bellicose butt have much in common.

    It does seemthe two of you can't SHARE points of view w/o the old

    barriers getting locked in place.


    BTW, were you so sartorially Garbed for SHEEP DIP at John's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Monsieur JB,
    I wanted to react to the bolded part especially...
    I am aware USAmericans are very sensitive to what people say of them (or is it another mis-characterization?) and are quick to label it American bashing, but you must recognize that we all do mischaracterize each others, even by proxy as you did yourself on another subject.

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    Nishin, I wanted to address this point, because I think it a good one.

    We Americans probably do overreact to criticism, but I believe the reaction is warranted, because probably no other nationality has to endure as much open mockery as we do.

    In one European country, they air a program called "The Stupid Things Americans Say or Do", or something like that. Just think about that for a moment, Nishin. Can you imagine any American station airing a program called "The Stupid Things the Spanish Say or Do"? It wouldn't happen in a million years. In fact, our programs about Europe tend to glorify Europe in some way. We get to see Downton Abbey, Upstairs Downstairs, Europe through the Back Door, House Hunters International, etc. Not one single American program shows Europeans in a negative light, as far as I know.

    Europeans deride us for our brush with racism, but they oftentimes think it perfectly acceptable to be anti-American. Can't they see that anti-Americanism is the same as racism? This is because one discriminates against a class of people.--a concept t even Belamo can understand.

    Let's examine more closely the topic of racism. It's true that we have an ugly history of racism. But even in my own life (50 years) I have watched the US grow from a country in which black people had to use separate restrooms, to a country that elected a black man not once, but twice--and then, in a moribund economy. We Americans have faced that demon and are making significant strides in slaying it. Can Europe make such a claim?

    Let's take this one step further. Europe has a most vile history of anti-Semitism. Even now, antiSemiitism is not only alive and well, it actually prospers in much of Europe. The most vicious anti-Semitic remarks I have ever heard in my life came from Eastern Europeans. I felt so shocked by some of the remarks I heard that my mouth popped open with surprise.

    Which leads us to the big question: When will a single European country elect a Jewish man for President (or PM, etc.) Will it ever happen? Probably not. Yet we elected a Jewish man not once, but twice, in the biggest city in the States.

    Shall we move on to Spain? Belamo's beloved country is such a basket case that the UK, France, and Germany have to support it. Spain enjoys a 26% unemployment rate, and does not enjoy a healthy work ethic. There will come a time when Northern Europe will tire of acting as Spain's nanny, and will let it sink.

    And Belamo wants to enlighten us?

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    ^By the way, Nishin, I think you completely misunderstood me on the Proxy subject. I see it as a very easy mistake to make, though, and hold no judgment against you for your misunderstanding.

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    ^ Quite inadvertantly and by chance, that became my coming out song (very common, I know) three or four days after I came out in 2010, I listened to the full uninterrupted song properly for the first time. Starting from then, I now can't listen to it without it making me cry.
    i would have never guessed, man. i would have imagined it to be pink "get this party started" or even diana ross "i'm coming out".

    my coming out song was aaron and the gays "computer sex".
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    I learnt that I can piss off people very easily and I like it.




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    Re: What have you learnt today?

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    “You can’t discuss the ocean with a well frog; he is confined to the limits of his hole. You can’t discuss ice with a summer insect—he’s bound to a single season. You can’t discuss the Tao with a cramped scholar of limited views—he’s shackled by his doctrines.” Zhuangzi: Qiushui.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    I should not speak for him, but I am quite sure he would acknowledge he can learn from you. Perhaps you think he is shying from the content of your posts whereas it is the form that irks him ?

    Does an enlightened one need to address others in terms understandable and receivable by others or should he remain in his ivory tower draped in his wisdom and knowledge that nobody profit upon ?

    Maybe efforts should be made by both party.
    Exactly.

    Maybe you, belamo are of the 嚴師出高徒 school of information delivery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    It is not the length what made his post obscure to me, but the obscure relation of that obvious filling, sandwiched between the two equally obvious slices.
    Reading Seth's posts in Hot Topics would inform you that he often jabs at me for the length of my posts. In this case, he sarcastically alluded to the length of yours giving him reason to revisit mine with appreciation for their relative brevity.

    Therefore, it was a brief comment that he made.

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    I learned today that an afternoon nap does wonders


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, I wanted to address this point, because I think it a good one.

    We Americans probably do overreact to criticism, but I believe the reaction is warranted, because probably no other nationality has to endure as much open mockery as we do.

    In one European country, they air a program called "The Stupid Things Americans Say or Do", or something like that. Just think about that for a moment, Nishin. Can you imagine any American station airing a program called "The Stupid Things the Spanish Say or Do"? It wouldn't happen in a million years. In fact, our programs about Europe tend to glorify Europe in some way. We get to see Downton Abbey, Upstairs Downstairs, Europe through the Back Door, House Hunters International, etc. Not one single American program shows Europeans in a negative light, as far as I know.

    Europeans deride us for our brush with racism, but they oftentimes think it perfectly acceptable to be anti-American. Can't they see that anti-Americanism is the same as racism? This is because one discriminates against a class of people.--a concept t even belamo can understand.

    Let's examine more closely the topic of racism. It's true that we have an ugly history of racism. But even in my own life (50 years) I have watched the US grow from a country in which black people had to use separate restrooms, to a country that elected a black man not once, but twice--and then, in a moribund economy. We Americans have faced that demon and are making significant strides in slaying it. Can Europe make such a claim?

    Let's take this one step further. Europe has a most vile history of anti-Semitism. Even now, antiSemiitism is not only alive and well, it actually prospers in much of Europe. The most vicious anti-Semitic remarks I have ever heard in my life came from Eastern Europeans. I felt so shocked by some of the remarks I heard that my mouth popped open with surprise.

    Which leads us to the big question: When will a single European country elect a Jewish man for President (or PM, etc.) Will it ever happen? Probably not. Yet we elected a Jewish man not once, but twice, in the biggest city in the States.

    Shall we move on to Spain? belamo's beloved country is such a basket case that the UK, France, and Germany have to support it. Spain enjoys a 26% unemployment rate, and does not enjoy a healthy work ethic. There will come a time when Northern Europe will tire of acting as Spain's nanny, and will let it sink.

    And belamo wants to enlighten us?
    My "beloved country" since when? have you ever read anything about what your equivalent in Spain would call Spain trashing? are you really playing that desperate card of pointing at someone's nationality in the hope of hurting his pride and achieving what you could not achieve with arguments by dealing with the particular person you actually want to address? do you really read anything, not just posted by me, not just anything that you are pleased to read... do you ever actually read anything? Did you REALLY just pick up a couple of terms relating to your beloved citizenship (mark that now I am not talking about the country, the nation actually ), without even caring about what they were really meant for, and then assumed the rest by filling the gaps of your ready-made stupid pretentious trashing piece of Eurotrash?

    Spain, Catalonia... that's the place I come from, but inferring from that an irrational attachment of any sort... what sense would that make in a character like mine? Who could be so stupid as to think that my constantly upsetting everybody, my position of not caring too much to really hate anyone but not appreciating anyone so much as to pet him is in any sort coherent with my "loving" a fairy tale entity like "nation"? Not that I am surprised at your cluelessness, which would make me incoherent with my not appreciation of you in my turn but, man, one can not help being shocked at it like when you are shocked by some humongous-bellied pregnant woman even after having seen so many before...


    You are the one to enlighten anyone? if you had just let it go as you have been intended in the past few posts... ... you would not be losing the last appearance of dignity that some clueless may still believe to credit you for?

    Do you want me to repeat... oh wait, you put me on ignore, which apparently does not make any difference, given your evident ignorance of what I have been pointing at concerning Spain, Europe, the USA and the world in general...

    We.seriously.need.a.facepalm.smiley... NOW!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Didn't you mean the opposite ?

    To have real meaningful conversations would require an understanding and agreement on the meanings of all the words we employ. Practically, it's near impossible, cumbersome and tiresome. Hence we must tacitly agree that we speak at the same level. When evidences point to the fact that we are not, we have to stop the exchange and discuss what is the level and what signification of the words employed we meant.

    But we are not emotionless beings and one must contend with the other's emotions. The same sentence uttered at different times to the same person could lead to two very different reactions.
    Nice catch, yes I did mean the opposite : That doesn't mean everyone isn't free to blablabla
    The joys of double negatives...
    Completely agree with everything you said here

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post

    We.seriously.need.a.facepalm.smiley... NOW!!

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    Thanks goodness. JUB won't be the same without one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    That is not a facepalm smiley, let alone the big, hefty macho facepalm smiley that I feel we need..: that is one MERE "duh!" smiley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Reading Seth's posts in Hot Topics would inform you that he often jabs at me for the length of my posts. In this case, he sarcastically alluded to the length of yours giving him reason to revisit mine with appreciation for their relative brevity.

    Therefore, it was a brief comment that he made.
    I knew about that (no, really, yours are the only posts with some real substance -irrespective of their length- that I ever read on this forum, and you may include mine in that statement) but it still did not seemed to me that that was ALL that was implied in it... since I hardly post outside the whatareyoulisteningnow thread I had (now I see that wrongly) assumed I had been missing something truly important about the other JUBrachters...

    BTW, I also find so weird to have a common JUBbite addressed to as "Seth", as if he were the Son of Godseth of something...

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    Exactly.

    Maybe you, belamo are of the 嚴師出高徒 school of information delivery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Which leads us to the big question: When will a single European country elect a Jewish man for President (or PM, etc.) Will it ever happen? Probably not.
    Benjamin Disraeli (1868 and 1874–1880).

    Seriously Johann...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    I learnt that I can piss off people very easily and I like it.
    Pee-fetish is so common... even more, much more on a site like this...

    Ah, I so want to elaborate on all the skim-job that Bess has thrown in his last dump. For example, the anti-Semitism, which is true is the main reason why the rural Jewish population was swept for ever after WWII, while the urban population, mainly in the West, that is, was recovered and increased, and why that hate (mutual to a certain degree, but truly and obviously mostly one-sided) came to be made responsible (mind my non-broken English choice of that particular structure) for the political mess we now have in the Near- and Mid-East. In that connection, and in general connection to how the wrongs imported along with the emigrant population from Europe are diluted to an apparent state of non-existence in those big macho 9 million and a half square kilometers, I wonder how well does Bess know this film or novel.
    Or how the US more than make up for all the "vile histories" that other countries may have in any respect by targeting more certain specifical citizens according to certain particular dogmas of their own reelaboration... and, most importantly, and this is the point in which the "redemption for my apparent "American trashing" should be made obvious for the non-machine readers, hoe, despite all of it, the US can be rationally deemed (right NOW... still...) preferable, superior if you want to anything ever achieved in Europe... despite the fact that the best of the US IS an European seed and, finally, vitally... despite the fact that what makes today the pride of America may be not her future for the centuries to come, precisely because it is too "European". Palin may be nobody, but what she says about reinventing everything from Thanksgiving to the Constitution is something that is being concocted at the very heart of America by what are considered, even by their opponent, genuine Americans.

    All this to waste for Bess... no pity.

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    ^ yes, it's a political mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    BTW, I also find so weird to have a common JUBbite addressed to as "Seth", as if he were the Son of Godseth of something...
    I'd be willing to lose money wagering that it is his Christian name.

    Quasar supposedly can confirm it, since he has seen his Facebook page.
    Last edited by Hard-up1; January 26th, 2013 at 04:32 PM.

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    Seth was the third son of Adam and Eve and brother of Cain and Abel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Grimshaw
    ^
    I wouldn't
    My foolhardiness is well-known though. I actually post my own face here.
    Last edited by Hard-up1; January 26th, 2013 at 04:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    I'd be willing to lose money wagering that it is his Christian name.

    Quasar supposedly can confirm it, since he has seen his Facebook page.
    I am not doubting (like I cared, anyway) that it is his C. name, but its use as a JUBbite name. When some breeches over here call me "Carlito" it is so travestied (because NOBODY in Spain says that, they may use "Carlitos" -which is anyway a proper way to refer to a proper Charlie like me- but not that silly Amerispanish form) that it's like they were using just another username.

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    I don't have any embarrassment at using his given name. He uses it often, and friends here often do the same. Not an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    I don't have any embarrassment at using his given name. He uses it often, and friends here often do the same. Not an issue.
    Who was talking about pregnancy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Seth was the third son of Adam and Eve and brother of Cain and Abel.
    Seth is the brother of Isis and Osiris, in a pantheon that predates Judaism if I'm not mistaken
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    I learnt that I just watched Hair again and Treat Williams was so hot in that movie.

    and a young yummy John Savage




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    I learnt that I just watched Hair again and Treat Williams was so hot in that movie.

    and a young yummy John Savage
    Icky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    Who was talking about pregnancy?
    Sloppy, is that YOU?

    thankyou

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    Icky!
    to you maybe but all that hair........memories of my youth




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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Sloppy, is that YOU?

    thankyou
    It was a post meant for those who understood both the incoherence in your own post and the false-friend relation in English-Spanish relating to embarassment and pregnancy... my post, anyway, was far more silly than just uncommonly coded, as is the case of SLOPS'.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    to you maybe but all that hair........memories of my youth
    When you did not have a receding line of hair. You are either too young or too old to be doddering that way about your hair.
    I never got to watch that movie from beginning to end, although I think I have seen the whole movie I remember Trent in a cute 1980s sci-thriller involving zombies.

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    ^I don''t have receding hair you silly goose.

    I just used to have long hair.




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    I learned that I can forget something like "You have to be at work for a huge project at 10am on Sunday", even though I was reminded of it every day during the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, I wanted to address this point, because I think it a good one.

    We Americans probably do overreact to criticism, but I believe the reaction is warranted, because probably no other nationality has to endure as much open mockery as we do.

    In one European country, they air a program called "The Stupid Things Americans Say or Do", or something like that. Just think about that for a moment, Nishin. Can you imagine any American station airing a program called "The Stupid Things the Spanish Say or Do"? It wouldn't happen in a million years. In fact, our programs about Europe tend to glorify Europe in some way. We get to see Downton Abbey, Upstairs Downstairs, Europe through the Back Door, House Hunters International, etc. Not one single American program shows Europeans in a negative light, as far as I know.

    Europeans deride us for our brush with racism, but they oftentimes think it perfectly acceptable to be anti-American. Can't they see that anti-Americanism is the same as racism? This is because one discriminates against a class of people.--a concept t even Belamo can understand.

    Let's examine more closely the topic of racism. It's true that we have an ugly history of racism. But even in my own life (50 years) I have watched the US grow from a country in which black people had to use separate restrooms, to a country that elected a black man not once, but twice--and then, in a moribund economy. We Americans have faced that demon and are making significant strides in slaying it. Can Europe make such a claim?

    Let's take this one step further. Europe has a most vile history of anti-Semitism. Even now, antiSemiitism is not only alive and well, it actually prospers in much of Europe. The most vicious anti-Semitic remarks I have ever heard in my life came from Eastern Europeans. I felt so shocked by some of the remarks I heard that my mouth popped open with surprise.

    Which leads us to the big question: When will a single European country elect a Jewish man for President (or PM, etc.) Will it ever happen? Probably not. Yet we elected a Jewish man not once, but twice, in the biggest city in the States.

    Shall we move on to Spain? Belamo's beloved country is such a basket case that the UK, France, and Germany have to support it. Spain enjoys a 26% unemployment rate, and does not enjoy a healthy work ethic. There will come a time when Northern Europe will tire of acting as Spain's nanny, and will let it sink.

    And Belamo wants to enlighten us?
    I am not USAmerican and will probably never be able to apprehend the feeling of persecution you believe legitimises the overreactions. By this I mainly mean I do not know if said persecution is indeed factual or perceived, and if the latter how rightly or wrongly so.

    But I think you're being delusional when you don't acknowledge that it's a two way ride when you say something like not one single American program shows Europeans in a negative light, as far as I know... I could easily remind you of Fox/O'Reilly's stance during the Iraq war fiasco...
    There is just as much French-bashing from the US than USAmerican-bashing from France.

    Yet I see a difference in the fact that French (those I know anyway, I can't talk for all of them or other Europeans) will usually say USAmericans this USAmericans that when they really mean USGovernement, USFundiwackoes etc and remain perfectly able to discriminate between individuals and the criticized system as a whole... they will identify the bashing, and still also see the loving.
    (The overreacting) USAmericans tend to be more dythirambic in only seeing the bashing and ignoring the loving...
    This is my perception anyway.

    Your point about anti-Semitism (which indeed still runs rampant in many parts of Europe) has been addressed already but I believe you may find this wiki quite instructing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews_in_politics

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    I didn't actually learn it, I was simply reminded today that some people are just shits.
    For all sad words of tongue and pen,
    The saddest are these, 'It might have been.'


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    Look Lord :York.

    Your one time 'crush' and my long-unheard from friend

    from down under...............are you ready????

    I just learned that Braex is not dead and gone.

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    That where I live is so much better than most places, even though it's in Florida.

    That everyone around me cares more than most human beings in this world.

    That I'm not as unlucky as I thought to be who I am where I am, in the NOW.


    As bad as it seems, it has been SO much worse. (invasion of Indians, slavery of Blacks, domination of women)


    What Have I Learned... WAR is shit -- WAR is quick and dumb, ruthless and WRONG --- struggle for BETTER so AMAZING and HOPEFUL.

    P.S.
    When you read/hear WAR -- think -- broken/stupid/exteminate/totaliterianism/facism/DESTRUCTION

    P.P.S
    Please be on the side of Creation, slow, meanful, sustainable GROWTH... CHANGE FOR BETTER

    How do we obtain a better democracy? We must raise a better people. There is no other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    It was a post meant for those who understood both the incoherence in your own post and the false-friend relation in English-Spanish relating to embarassment and pregnancy... my post, anyway, was far more silly than just uncommonly coded, as is the case of SLOPS'.
    Yes, yes, Sloppy, I'm sure that it all meant that in there in your world. I'm sure that's what all the titters about the board were about when they read that.

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    Sometimes I dont get Belamo
    Sometimes I dont get Johann Bess
    Sometimes I feel Im intellectualy inferior

    but wait..when I read them twice-third times, I become understand ^^
    and my conclusion is..they talk unimportant things ( at least for my interest)
    therefore Im more happy to not knowing or even bothering

    "Sometimes being a fool is the happiest"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    I am not USAmerican and will probably never be able to apprehend the feeling of persecution you believe legitimises the overreactions. By this I mainly mean I do not know if said persecution is indeed factual or perceived, and if the latter how rightly or wrongly so.

    But I think you're being delusional when you don't acknowledge that it's a two way ride when you say something like not one single American program shows Europeans in a negative light, as far as I know... I could easily remind you of Fox/O'Reilly's stance during the Iraq war fiasco...
    There is just as much French-bashing from the US than USAmerican-bashing from France.
    Yep, in those G-rated, family-oriented macho movies of the Seagal sort, or TV shows in the crime department, they always put something French, like an accent, a bad guy or organization or even just the damn Tour Eiffel in a picture in the background just for France's sake, even when France or the French are actually nowhere in the script, let alone as the bad guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP. View Post
    Sometimes I dont get belamo
    Sometimes I dont get Johann Bess
    Sometimes I feel Im intellectualy inferior

    but wait..when I read them twice-third times, I become understand ^^
    and my conclusion is..they talk unimportant things ( at least for my interest)
    therefore Im more happy to not knowing or even bothering

    "Sometimes being a fool is the happiest"

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    Oh Belamo! Are you mocking these peons from America? Fair enough

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