Technological Singularity

[mitchymo]

It is predicted that around 2045, the point of technological singularity will have been reached, the point in which the intelligence of computors will transcend that of humans. They will no longer require human input in order to improve themselves.
The one key thing that computors will lack, is mobility. But we already know that the Japanese have created some pretty nifty robots already. What could they be like another 30+yrs from now?

Could Robots rule the Earth??? That is my question for this thread.

What are your thoughts? Do you think it could happen, or that its just unlikely?

[Harke the Boeotarch]

*Pulls off fake human face revealing electric wires and flickering lights*

[Telstra]

Could Robots rule the Earth???

No, humans tells robots what to do. Robots just doing their job.

[Nishin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics come to mind ...

[ChickenGuy]

What they'll never have (despite numerous sci-fi film fodder for it) is cognitive sentience, the existence of being.

They WILL always require input, and there'll certainly be no spontaneous or individual thought patterns. You can't program such a thing, it only happens in the realm of fiction and fantasy.

[Keeland]

Could Robots rule the Earth???

Let's hope so. We need all the help we can get.

I, for one, will welcome our new molecular-valve overlords.

[gsdx]

Could Robots rule the Earth??? That is my question for this thread.

They certainly couldn't do worse the Prime Minister Harper or Toronto's mayor Rob Ford.

[ixthrock]

Don't forget the fast-approaching biomed aspects of the singularity - giving cellular breakdown due to aging a swift kick in the britches. As for machine intelligence - well, I certainly hope we wise up a little bit before we ask any cybernanny to keep our asses washed for us. I get worried they'll choose a pretty caustic detergent.

[star-warrior]

I read also that the world's drinkable water will not sustain the current growing population and we're all headed into a horrible era of starvation as we can't grow enough to sustain ourselves. The robtos will be waiting to fill the void.

[cgymike]

Yeah but a robot can be killed by pouring cranberry juice in it. Humans do OK in that scenario. :P

[zoltanspawn]

I think we'll hybridize with the AIs ourselves and become post-human.

Here's a thread with some more thoughts:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...light=kurzweil

[The Fly]

No matter how much "artificial intelligence" a computer has it/they couldn't "rule" the world because it/they lack emmotions and desires.
If one shows me attitude I'll show it my nifty 52 piece socket set

[GiancarloC]

What they'll never have (despite numerous sci-fi film fodder for it) is cognitive sentience, the existence of being.

They WILL always require input, and there'll certainly be no spontaneous or individual thought patterns. You can't program such a thing, it only happens in the realm of fiction and fantasy.

/\ This.

People been watching too many flicks with Arnold Schwarzenegger I think...

[HoodedRat]

2045?

I doubt that the planet will still be capable of supporting human life by then.

But good luck to the robotic inheritors; hopefully they may treat any surviving lifeforms with a bit more respect than we did.

[DigitalFudge]

It is predicted that around 2045, the point of technological singularity will have been reached, the point in which the intelligence of computors will transcend that of humans. They will no longer require human input in order to improve themselves.

I'm ready


So fucking sick of restarting this computer to update these shitty programs

[freefall]

Hopefully they may treat any surviving lifeforms with a bit more respect than we did.

Judging from the sci-fi movies, I don't think their full existence will be all bells and confetti for us.

[secondmonkey]

What does it matter, the world is going to end next month anyway.

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Could Robots rule the Earth???

No, humans tells robots what to do. Robots just doing their job.

Do you know what the word "archaic" means?

[blackbeltninja]

It is predicted that around 2045, the point of technological singularity will have been reached, the point in which the intelligence of computors will transcend that of humans. They will no longer require human input in order to improve themselves.

Fuck me, I'll be in my late 60s.

So... I hope they get this done sooner, along with teleporting and cars with anti-gravity drives. How about it, engineers?

-d-

[cityboy-stl]

Meh. Not unless there is a sea change in the paradigm of the way computers operate. No matter how sophisticated computer programming gets, or how advanced and fast the hardware technology gets, it is still the same fetch-decode-execute cycle using human written code. That is not intelligence. It is only the appearance of intelligence.

[cgymike]

"If woman can survive?"

[goldenmoth]

I'm not too frightened. They can't be worse than humans and at least robots are logical. I follow the Asimov logic that after a while humans just loose interest in breeding for reproductive reasons and then the robots just quietly look after us as we get older until civilisation is a giant nursing home. Then when the last one leaves, the robots can have the world. No fuss, no muss

[Kyanimal]

WE have been designed, and built, by our DNA, supposedly for the sole purpose of ensuring It's survival through Time. The dinosaurs' DNA wasn't as successful. Or ... was it? (Think chickens ...)

WE are now designing, and building, machines to mimic, and (perhaps) surpass, our own limited abilities. We've already "taught" them to think Faster, and more Objectively, than Us, and WE are working Very Hard to get "Them" to program themselves, and even build themselves. WE are Synthesizing the very ways WE learn, react, and even procreate. WE might just succeed beyond Our WILDEST Dreams ... or Desires!

Given the geometric rate of our technological advancements, 2045 may by wishful thinking! Our "creations" may surpass Us sooner than even that!

All the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

[HunterM]

Robots taking over? I sure hope not. A battery operated dildo does not feel the same as a real flesh human cock.

[bankside]

Robots will not reach that stage of advancement without becoming like some kind of human organ. It will be like having an add-on brain; there will be no reason for "technology" to have a separate consciousness from our own. This is my pancreas, my liver, and my ARM-based processor. I can run on glucose, and perform millions of floating point calculations. My visual cortex can also off-load texel processing to the chip. The internet is in my mind.

[Kulindahr]

What they'll never have (despite numerous sci-fi film fodder for it) is cognitive sentience, the existence of being.

They WILL always require input, and there'll certainly be no spontaneous or individual thought patterns. You can't program such a thing, it only happens in the realm of fiction and fantasy.

Don't have to program it -- there are already learning programs that pick things up at least as fast as human children.

Whether they'll have sentience depends on your definition of sentience.

[DigitalFudge]

Isn't there some computer/AI that comes up with a Thesis and can hypothesize?

[Kulindahr]

I think we'll hybridize with the AIs ourselves and become post-human.

Here's a thread with some more thoughts:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...light=kurzweil

That's where I land. I read a piece by a couple of AI geeks last year, probably in DISCOVER magazine, and this is what they were seeing. One example is how we cling to our cell phones, and how it would be so much more convenient if they could be made part of us. They also foresaw implants that would take the place of various remotes, so we could control everything in the household with thoughts, whether DVD player or oven or thermostat or lights... yet OTOH our houses could become intelligent enough to run themselves according to our habits and desires (already happening). A step beyond that would be extra memory implants that would provide the ability to have recall on demand, just like on a computer.

So my view is that we'll turn into cyborgs, augmenting our brains with hardware and replacing our bodies with robotic pieces. At the same time, we'll continue to make everything we use more intelligent right up to the point that they still need guidance, and no more. The result would be a human race freed of all sorts of limitations, not having to work because our machines do it for us.

And the end of that could be Asimov's nursing-home planet, where at the end someone finally lifts the robots to sentience and they take their place after us.
Or it could go another way, with only the elite few having the super-tech, and the rest of us a slave race, who would rise in a final revolt...




led by a robot.

[zoltanspawn]

^I listened to an interesting article on NPR the other day about a scientist in this field who was interested in expanding the range of human perception. He implanted small magnets under the skin on a volunteer's finger. She described feeling the field around an operating microwave oven. I suppose there will be mechanisms like this, an Artificial Nervous System with a hugely increased range of perception that will augment AI.

[Keeland]

Canon is about to kill off its last production-line puny human.

[Kulindahr]

Canon is about to kill off its last production-line puny human.

Here we face a conundrum of capitalism, and a reason it needs replacing: what happens when all production is done by robots, as well as service jobs, and there are no customers left with money?

[goldenmoth]

Not really. China has such a huge advantage at the moment because they have so many people. We can't have that many people because it's unsustainable. If we could employ the use of robots for the manual labour that people in the west are not as willing to do or it's not safe enough to do than people can be employed in more of an office environment

[Kulindahr]

Not really. China has such a huge advantage at the moment because they have so many people. We can't have that many people because it's unsustainable. If we could employ the use of robots for the manual labour that people in the west are not as willing to do or it's not safe enough to do than people can be employed in more of an office environment

Capitalists will employ robots wherever a profit can be made. I expect we'll see automated McDonalds soon enough; there are already automated lawnmowers and carpet sweepers. Trusses for construction used to be labor-intesive; the plant we had here shut down when a competitor went robotic, dropping the workforce from thirty-two employees to two.

And how will an entire population do office work? What is there to be done that takes so many hands? There used to be people who take inventory; at many places that's all robotic/computer now.

We are headed for a society where no one has to labor, and few have to do office work.

[bankside]

Capitalists will employ robots wherever a profit can be made. I expect we'll see automated McDonalds soon enough; there are already automated lawnmowers and carpet sweepers. Trusses for construction used to be labor-intesive; the plant we had here shut down when a competitor went robotic, dropping the workforce from thirty-two employees to two.

And how will an entire population do office work? What is there to be done that takes so many hands? There used to be people who take inventory; at many places that's all robotic/computer now.

We are headed for a society where no one has to labor, and few have to do office work.

People will busy themselves with ever more elaborate occupations. When a basic 2000 square foot house can be prepped by robots in a factory, and then assembled by robots on site, for under $10 000, people will still earn a living by completing hand-carved custom kitchen cabinets, and mouth-blown custom glass light fixtures; all the sorts of one-of-a-kind artistic things where we retain the competitive advantage.

No one makes a living hauling ice any more; we have refrigeration. Those people's time is freed to do more creative more valuable things than sawing blocks of river ice and towing them with a horse to people's homes.

[Kyanimal]

Another aspect is all the advanced work being done with prosthetics. We already have 'bionic' arms that are controlled by sensors implanted in chest muscles. Think about moving an arm that is no longer there, and the implant will react, with the same speed, Plus much more strength, than the Natural arm that used to be there!

"The Six Million Dollar Man" is no longer fiction! And, is much cheaper these days!

We also have cortical implants that can control computers, voice synthesizers, wheelchairs, etc., with considerable accuracy. We've already successfully interphased with machines!

Now, let's add all the progress with AI, and we're already quite close to the "Technological Singularity"!

All in all, it's really not all that much of a stretch to realize that 2045 might be the Long shot at achieving non-organic Sentience!

The main question is ... What is that going to mean for "Us"?

All the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

[Kulindahr]

People will busy themselves with ever more elaborate occupations. When a basic 2000 square foot house can be prepped by robots in a factory, and then assembled by robots on site, for under $10 000, people will still earn a living by completing hand-carved custom kitchen cabinets, and mouth-blown custom glass light fixtures; all the sorts of one-of-a-kind artistic things where we retain the competitive advantage.

No one makes a living hauling ice any more; we have refrigeration. Those people's time is freed to do more creative more valuable things than sawing blocks of river ice and towing them with a horse to people's homes.

And when robots can do one-of-a-kind items?

Besides, what will the people with no artistic talent do?

[mitchymo]

And when robots can do one-of-a-kind items?

Besides, what will the people with no artistic talent do?

My mum refuses to use self-service checkouts in supermarkets, because she says they take jobs away from people.
On the one hand, she is absolutely right, i mean we all need jobs.

On the other hand, having machines and computors doing our jobs for us, frees us all up to pursue life enjoyment. We could then job share, affording a drop in income. House prices will be cheap to buy or rent, as they will be built by moulds in one piece etc. This cheap house production will result in a huge drop in the cost of living.


In response to others about the merging of man and machine. The source which i got technilogical singularity as a subject, also mentions the production of bionic eyes within the next 35yrs. They may be able to see infrared and ultraviolet, and have vision like a hawk. Imagine looking out the window and being able to read the subtitles on the tv of the neighbour across the street. That'd be mad.

[Keeland]

The source which i got technilogical singularity as a subject, also mentions the production of bionic eyes within the next 35yrs. They may be able to see infrared and ultraviolet, and have vision like a hawk.

That's nothing. In the '50s ads in the back of comic books let you order X-ray glasses to see through clothing.

[mitchymo]

^ I bet that is the REAL reason why x-men's Cyclops like to keep his glasses on!

[bankside]

My mum refuses to use self-service checkouts in supermarkets, because she says they take jobs away from people.

Exactly why I refuse to buy light bulbs. Puts candle-makers out of business. Same thing with cars; puts horse-shoers on the dole.

And when robots can do one-of-a-kind items?

Besides, what will the people with no artistic talent do?

Not sure. Own plantations full of robots? Have robots tend to some subsistence pigs, chickens and vegetable gardens? Ensure that subsistence means "a banquet when you like." Catered by robots of course.

[Kulindahr]

My mum refuses to use self-service checkouts in supermarkets, because she says they take jobs away from people.
On the one hand, she is absolutely right, i mean we all need jobs.

On the other hand, having machines and computors doing our jobs for us, frees us all up to pursue life enjoyment. We could then job share, affording a drop in income. House prices will be cheap to buy or rent, as they will be built by moulds in one piece etc. This cheap house production will result in a huge drop in the cost of living.

If she worries about that, she'll really freak when grocery stores where everything is in the warehouse and you just enter your order become common. Someone out there has already built one; you can place your order on the internet, then drive to the store, where by the time you get there the robots have filled your list and bagged it all for you to just pick up. The only part that's not automated is produce, because people like to pick out their own vegetables and stuff.

As for houses, I don't think they'll be cast in one piece. I think we'll see giant LEGO blocks, so someone wanting a house can build what he wants, scan it, send it in, and the robots will load the required piece, show up, and put it together. Having everything built from standard components that are simple to put together would cut cost right at the start -- in fact, make the giant LEGOs the right size, and people could put their own houses together.

In response to others about the merging of man and machine. The source which i got technilogical singularity as a subject, also mentions the production of bionic eyes within the next 35yrs. They may be able to see infrared and ultraviolet, and have vision like a hawk. Imagine looking out the window and being able to read the subtitles on the tv of the neighbour across the street. That'd be mad.

I read that about eyes -- it's freaky. I read the same about hearing, basically bionic ears. But the bits that seem to me the most as a step toward merging man and machine are implants against the skull for memory, for controlling other devices, whatever. The interesting thing about those is that you wouldn't be able to buy a module that would make you able to speak Russian or Cherokee all at once, because everyone's brain waves are subtly different, so your brain would have to learn to interface (OTOH, one geek argues that once a master implant is installed and the brain learns to talk to it, additional modules would be able to just drop knowledge on you).

[Kulindahr]

Exactly why I refuse to buy light bulbs. Puts candle-makers out of business. Same thing with cars; puts horse-shoers on the dole.


Not sure. Own plantations full of robots? Have robots tend to some subsistence pigs, chickens and vegetable gardens? Ensure that subsistence means "a banquet when you like." Catered by robots of course.

I think at that point our society will have to undergo a phase change, where robotic production is owned by all, and that system provides everyone with basic housing, food, clothing, transportation, etc. There would be no poverty in the sense we know it. Status would switch from the accumulation of things to the honing of skills and talent. Money might or might not persist; hard to say until we get close to the foundation of that, the joint ownership of basic production.

The qualifier here is that we need a virtually infinite energy source....

[bankside]

I think at that point our society will have to undergo a phase change, where robotic production is owned by all, and that system provides everyone with basic housing, food, clothing, transportation, etc. There would be no poverty in the sense we know it. Status would switch from the accumulation of things to the honing of skills and talent. Money might or might not persist; hard to say until we get close to the foundation of that, the joint ownership of basic production.

The qualifier here is that we need a virtually infinite energy source....

Just reduce the average albedo of the earth; we discard most of the solar energy available to us through terrestrial reflection. Energy is, for our purposes, infinite.

[Kyanimal]

Now I'm thinking about Gene Roddenberry, and the prophetic constructs of the "Star Trek" Series.

Then again, that brings to question the Need for "Carbon Units"!

Are we really as Necessary as we THINK We are??

All the more reasons to ... no matter what ... as long as we can ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

ooh
is like title

thankyou