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    Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    In what can only be described as some kind of joke ......

    it appears that Pres. Obama wants to put Susan Rice in to replace Hillary Clinton

    The same woman who embarrassed herself by lying on several Sunday AM talk shows SELLING the narrative of a spontaneous reaction/terror attack ....... from a video

    She didn't have information that was readily available or she lied - neither speaks well of her

    Pretty ballsy and fuck you move for the Obama Administration to do this

    while the Benghazi "investigation" continues

    while the David Petraeus what the fuck thing continues - the same David Petraeus who did his own investigation into Benghazi and what really happened

    Pretty curious move by newly re-elected Pres. Obama

    Making everyone year for John Kerry to replace Hillary

    We'll see - perhaps this is a red herring

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Hardly Secretary of State material



    she LOVES the word "spontaneous" - too much really

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    this time on ABC ......... same story different venue

    "spontaneous" not premeditated

    she seems really certain

    above she said the video was "hateful", here it's "offensive"

    as u listen to her, it's like she's trying to convince us and herself of this nonsense

    replacing Hillary Clinton ?

    OMG

    really ??

    really ?


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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Kerry got passed over SoS and may get Defense now. It's just one giant game of musical chairs.

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    I am pretty sure Petraeus, a scandal ridden republican (gee that sounds familiar), testified to the same understanding of events. Perhaps he was too busy getting a BJ to get a full report...

    Hmmm Making a highly successful career diplomat SoS... how lacking in judgement...

    i want her to be nominated as well just to hear Pugs like Hannity, Oreilly and Limbaugh go stupid...
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Get ready for FAUX 'news' shoutrage over every appointment to be made by Obama.

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Do you guys know why Hillary doesn't want to do a second term?

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    ^ She's going to be starting her 2016 campaign for president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Get ready for FAUX 'news' shoutrage over every appointment to be made by Obama.
    Secty of State is sorta important

    dont u think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ She's going to be starting her 2016 campaign for president.
    Cool.

    Although I liked Obama to I preferred Hillary back in 2008.

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Susan Rice cooked herself when she went on the 5 Sunday shows and spread the "it's the video" lie.

    She'll never get approved SOS -- she should stay at the UN and out of sight.

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    Do you guys know why Hillary doesn't want to do a second term?
    I dont know if she is running for President. She might so it would clearly conflict with SoS because that job is vast.

    Google her schedule, for a 65 yo I think it is pretty damn pressing to be living out of a jet and in a new time zone damn near every day.

    Thankfully Rice wont have that much of a battle because the tape is in and the republican outrage is based on them lying to themselves over what she said. That and their margin in the senate is much smaller so now the Dems only have to find five rational republicans. Still a tall order to find five republican who love their country but I know they can do it.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Obama said in a 60 Minutes piece recorded September 12 that it was direct attack on us, not just a mere outgrowth of the protests of the video in Egypt. He said it was definitely directed against America. Then he emphasizes the video aspect for almost 2 fucking weeks.....on "The View" on September 25 he could have gone back to the truth he spoke September 12 but yet again emphasized the video aspect. Susan Rice wasn't just blissfully ignorant repeating CIA talking points as Giancarlo sniffs. It became an Administration talking point all of a sudden. Why????? Susan Rice has also been pretty accomodationist with Iran and other regimes, willing to talk without preconditions....she's a horrible candidate to portray strength at State and really isn't that good at her UN position either.

    Add to this President Obama's inexplicably partisan and wrongheaded thinking in strongly considering Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts for Defense Secretary and in two key areas, State and Defense the president whose campaign mantra was "forward" is going backward. I had hoped to give him some slack and see if he could redefine his direction but now as then Obama's compass seems hopelessly broken.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    for what it's worth, it's pretty common for Secretary of State to be a one-term position.

    GWB, Clinton, and Reagan all went through 2+ SoS's over their 8 year terms.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...time_in_office

    out of 67 Secretaries of State ever, only 15 or so have served longer than ~4 years if I'm reading that chart right.
    Well taken position.....definitely a stressful office that is conducive to periodic change. Just disappointed in the lack of political savvy and wisdom in President Obama's preference for Rice being so adamant.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Deval Patrick has not decided yet whether he wants the Dept of State or The Dept Of Justice.

    Brown will easily win the governorship when he vacates office. I can't think of any state dem with a big enough ground game to beat him in a special election.

    That leaves Kerry's seat to Ted Kennedy Jr. with no GOP opposition,

    So both parties are getting fed red meat in Massachusetts as this new administration comes in, and Massachusetts has designs on cabinet power.

    Rice will not beat the Political machine of Boston. It just won't happen.

    New England is desperate to shake up both parties and get them back into the common sense zone.

    If Rice becomes Sec of state, then Brown will not get his governors seat.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Love the Massachusetts is the center of the universe concept

    But everyone seems to agree that Kerry vs. Rice is akin to

    Oregon vs. Troy St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Love the Massachusetts is the center of the universe concept

    But everyone seems to agree that Kerry vs. Rice is akin to

    Oregon vs. Troy St.
    What did Henry the second say to about his friend, St Thomas? Will someone not rid me of this meddlesome priest? The only reason Obama would have of sending Rice out as Sec of State is to humiliate her and force her into retirement, and then use her dead carcass as a martyr for the cause.

    Obama tends to not be that Machiavellian. Long game politics is his stock and trade I will admit, but not that far.

    Sec of state is either going to be Patrick or Kerrey. It's what Mass gets for putting Warren in her Senate office for the president.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Deval Patrick just announced that he was not interested in being Attorney General of the USA in an interview.

    I think we are going to see a Deval Patrick Sec of State, a Kerrey Dept of Deffense, Rice will stay where she is, CIA Will go to Morrell. He's a good man. An Economist and a data analyst. I love it when things all turn out nice and tidy. Oh and that asshat at the FBI is going to just squat there like a Hill billy on the side of the highway. He's not going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I like Patrick... but is he actually qualified to be Secretary of State?

    he doesn't seem like he has a resume that's left him well-versed in international politics, diplomacy, and whatnot. (much as I may not really like Kerry, he is the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations at least... hell, even Sarah Palin could at least see Russia from her front yard )
    He was approved unanimously by congress to be asst AG or some such job in Justice... That MAY lead him to the road of defense instead, but it's clear that he is liked by the congress and voted to approve him in the past. Also remember that the far left blames Berman for the Meningitis outbreak, so they will team up with the GOP to take him down.

    And then there's Donelon.... Do you really think the Senate GOP is going to go for the national security advisor during the Bhenghazi faux scandal?

    I think the Pickins are getting slim, and one way or the other Kerrey and Patrick are going to be in this administration. Kerry needs to quit first, though, because Patrick Needs to appoint an interim senator to run unopposed on the Dem side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    That looks good to me... but the part of Deval Patrick is really surprising to me. I really haven't heard about him being in the line-up... but it's possible. Morrell is probably the optimal pick as isn't he already working in the CIA? I'm glad Obama is opting for technocrats though... but we'll have to see.
    Morrell is a career CIA man. His specialty is pacific Asian and latin America. He was the man sent to the Whitehouse to brief Presidents Clinton and Bush daily. He is very familliar with the halls of the white house, How to negotiate them without much notice, and he has inner agency support.

    He is one of the Ghosts in the machine that outlive presidencies.
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    It's funny because I remember hearing on NPR that Patrick would be a good AG. I just don't see how he could be a Sec of State or defense.

    It seems also that Patrick strongly wants Kerry to stay in the senate so we don't end up with Brown back in the Senate which most pundits view as an inevitability.

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    John McCain has pledged to stop Rice at all costs:

    [John McCain is convinced that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice is part of a massive cover-up over the Benghazi embassy attack and is launching a preemptive campaign to keep her from becoming Secretary of State. After saying last night that he would do "everything I can" to block Rice's nomination (which hasn't even happened yet), on Wednesday McCain repeated those comments on CBS This Morning, Fox News, and during an appearance at the Washington Ideas Forum (which is sponsored by The Atlantic.) McCain is telling anyone who will listen that Rice is not qualified to be the chief U.S. diplomat and that he believes she intentionally misled people about what the government knew about the attack.
    http://news.yahoo.com/john-mccain-pl...170401707.html

    Obama reiterated his support for her:

    President Barack Obama bluntly told Sen. John McCain and other Republicans to lay off their attacks against U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice over the Benghazi assault, telling lawmakers that if they go after her "then you have a problem with me." And Obama, speaking at his first postelection press conference, vowed that Republican opposition would not dissuade him from nominating Rice to replace departing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
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    Is this throwing her to the meat grinder -- or a supremely confident Obama?

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    McCain is a liar. He receives the exact same reports that she does. He knows exactly what happened.

    The man is a shadow of what he once was.
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    McCain is many things.

    As we all are.

    Calling him a liar is like calling Obama a socialist

    its not necessary and baseless.

    Obama putting her up is fucked up and he's looking for a real (and unnecessary) or faux political fight.

    She's damaged goods.

    His re-election campaign's cynical focus appears to be bleeding into his governance.

    a pity

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    McCain is a liar. He receives the exact same reports that she does. He knows exactly what happened.

    The man is a shadow of what he once was.
    Senile is correct. Dare we imagine what a McCain administration would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Beneath you -- I hope -- and this forum.

    I, for one, do not assume they have received the same reports.
    You would be incorrect.

    McCain is lying. He received all the same reports she did.
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    What is ridiculous is the right wing morons buying the idea that election and campaign spin to try and catch Obama in a scandal before the vote would somehow become a deciding factor.

    I suppose the republicans would be calling for the head of the CIA to resign over this although that is mute now that he is now out of a job for getting his dick wet. Patraeus said the exact same thing to congress because that was what the cia was briefing the white house and the Ambassador.

    I find this weak kneed attacks on surrogates to be a disturbing ploy used by both sides when they are angry and embrarassed at having their asses handed to them by the guy they cant touch-- Obama. You know I didn't vote for McCain for a variety of reasons but the 62 year old working with me at the time who served as McCain's plane captain when he was flying said he was a asshole. I trust that guy over anything that comes out of the voices of conservative reason here on JUB. McCain is a partisan hack who will do this nation a great deal of good when he retires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Beneath you -- I hope -- and this forum.

    I, for one, do not assume they have received the same reports.
    Patraeus briefed the Senate Intel Committee and the house for that matter... after they first briefed the four corners.... which is the majority and minority leads on national security in each house. He said exactly the same thing.

    Right wingers on here refuse to believe that riots sprung up anywhere because of that video... but they are wrong there. What is funny are people not in the know making knowing predictions on what occurred and who was briefed all with a political bent. It is sickening and beneath those posters but it is also lock stock and barrel all they offer.
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    I don't want to hear anything about that.

    If he can't respect himself enough to tell the truth, then he isn't worth my time either. As Jayhawk has stated, the reports intell gave the diplomatic corps would have gone to the four corners first, if not at the same time. It's just the way things are done. McCain is playing a game with classified documents, and that is dishonorable and puts people's lives in danger.

    Why would he do that?

    Grudge fuck Obama.

    No... The man is pathetic and unfit to even be remembered as a man in uniform. He sold his soul a long time ago to the same machine that just stole Romney's.

    If you have to become what you hate to win, it's not worth winning. McCain has spent so much time in the GOP warshington bubble, that he has forgotten what a soldiers honor is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    I don't want to hear anything about that.

    If he can't respect himself enough to tell the truth, then he isn't worth my time either. As Jayhawk has stated, the reports intell gave the diplomatic corps would have gone to the four corners first, if not at the same time. It's just the way things are done. McCain is playing a game with classified documents, and that is dishonorable and puts people's lives in danger.

    Why would he do that?

    Grudge fuck Obama.

    No... The man is pathetic and unfit to even be remembered as a man in uniform. He sold his soul a long time ago to the same machine that just stole Romney's.

    If you have to become what you hate to win, it's not worth winning. McCain has spent so much time in the GOP warshington bubble, that he has forgotten what a soldiers honor is.
    nonsense

    plain and simple

    and JayHawk has ZERO credibility with clearly an axe to grind

    and your depiction of McCain makes you unfit for listening frankly

    that bubble you speak of is big and many here including you and your friend have center aisle seats

    i find it ironic that rice did the president's bidding looking like an idiot and now he's putting her up for a job that clearly needs someone better and there are many better choices

    anyway

    this is not about mccain

    never was

    it's about obama's web of bullshit and apparently believing his sack size is all that

    too bad he didn't have those balls when it was time to save ambassador stevens and the braver than him men who tried to save him

    but instead whiffed and decided they weren't save-able

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    OBAMA, LEAVE SEN. JOHN KERRY WHERE HE IS!!!!!!

    With balance in the Senate being so important and so precarious, WHY in the hell are people always being "stolen" from the Senate for other positions (or for Presidential campaigns)?

    Both political Parties do this rampantly and I'll never understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Have some respect man. He sat in filth for years in a North Vietnamese prison. You should at least respect him for that.

    .
    First mission onboard a carrier and he causes one of the most renown fires that destoryed a air craft carrier and has become known throughout the navy as what you do not do...

    Second Mission shot down over enemy territory.

    Obviously the kind of winner the right wing should be behind... failures at every turn.

    It would be the likes of them that embrace coward who have neither the will nor the ability to fight for htis nation but deem to judge those that do... sickening group of miscreants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    nonsense

    plain and simple

    and JayHawk has ZERO credibility with clearly an axe to grind

    and your depiction of McCain makes you unfit for listening frankly

    that bubble you speak of is big and many here including you and your friend have center aisle seats

    i find it ironic that rice did the president's bidding looking like an idiot and now he's putting her up for a job that clearly needs someone better and there are many better choices

    anyway

    this is not about mccain

    never was

    it's about obama's web of bullshit and apparently believing his sack size is all that

    too bad he didn't have those balls when it was time to save ambassador stevens and the braver than him men who tried to save him

    but instead whiffed and decided they weren't save-able
    can you translate that out of fluffy bubble haiku so that I can tell what the hell you are trying to say?

    Clearly you have no idea how the gov't branches recieve intell or this would be all crap.

    How about we let Ms Rice speak clearly ....

    RICE: But when things are unfolding very, very quickly, it’s not always easy to know what is really going on on the ground. And to my mind, the really important questions here are about how information was collected. Did the various agencies really coordinate and share intelligence in the way that we had hoped, with the reforms that were made after 9/11?
    So there’s a big picture to be examined here. But we don’t have all of the pieces, and I think it’s easy to try and jump to conclusions about what might have happened here. It’s probably better to let the relevant bodies do their work.
    and then....

    Throughout the interview, Rice highlighted the difficulty that comes in a “fog of war” situation, with multiple stories coming in which need to be processed and verified. Her statements strongly align with the evolution of the Obama administration’s understanding of what happened in Benghazi. Rice also joined current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in dismissing the big picture importance of the emails from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, as a small portion of the overall communication between the mission and the State Department.
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    Why can't Obama just tell us what happened?

    It's time be honest about Benghazi.



    Morning Joe finally talked about Benghazi this morning.

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    Donnie D. is in love with Obama. He doesn't hide it.
    You should start a thread about that.

    It's funny and ironic, apparently.

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    Why can't Obama just tell us what happened?

    It's time be honest about Benghazi.
    Let me repeat Ms Rice's comments for you again....
    RICE: But when things are unfolding very, very quickly, it’s not always easy to know what is really going on on the ground. And to my mind, the really important questions here are about how information was collected.

    ........................snip

    So there’s a big picture to be examined here. But we don’t have all of the pieces, and I think it’s easy to try and jump to conclusions about what might have happened here. It’s probably better to let the relevant bodies do their work.
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    It is useless BP. The right is stuck on stupid. After having their asses handed to them for saying and then doubling down on stupid false information they are now stuck on that same framework irt Susan Rice. Senate had the exact same intelligence but dont ever think the lying pieces of shit in McCain or Graham will own up to that in the public eye. Cowardice and avoiding the truth is how the republican party intends to heal its brand. I listened to Bill OReilly last night for about ten minutes while he railed on the MSM and how they are just projecting false information. Last i checked that was Fox pushing false polls and false predictions. It isd really amusing to watch them try to spin their way out of irrelevance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    First mission onboard a carrier and he causes one of the most renown fires that destoryed a air craft carrier and has become known throughout the navy as what you do not do...

    Second Mission shot down over enemy territory.

    Obviously the kind of winner the right wing should be behind... failures at every turn.

    It would be the likes of them that embrace coward who have neither the will nor the ability to fight for htis nation but deem to judge those that do... sickening group of miscreants.
    Yes, I'm sure it was John McCain's fault that he got shot down and spent years in an enemy prison camp. It's fair to disagree about his politics, but his service to this country was honorable. Attacking that service is disgraceful.

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    Let me repeat Ms Rice's comments for you again....
    The video had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Benghazi and for two weeks at least was the primary spin. You guys are stuck on disingenuous, intellectual dishonesty and frankly you're beyond feeling any empathy for. If you are going to hold Republicans feet to the fire better well treat Democrats in the same way and you're completely, nakedly partisan hypocrisy on that score speaks volumes. I respect those with political differences but won't be lectured by people who feel accountability only apply to the GOP's indiscretions... Jay, BP,anyone here still holding on the left flank sorry but YOU'RE the blindfully ignorant on this. Intelligence doesn't make up for a complete lack of common sense here and sanctimonious , selective moralizing! We could discuss all the crap from the Administration but you're not in the least bit interested in having a discussion...you do exactly what the Benvolio types do and spin things from your side and nowhere else. I wonder say Hawk if you could have handled being tortured or imprisoned for five and a half years like Senator Mc Cain.... been the son of the head of the Pacific Fleet and refused any chance to come home early by remaining unwillling to bend to his North Vietnamese captors. Your insult to his service speaks ill of someone I once respected as truly an honest and independent conservative but unfortunately that is no longer the case. One doesn't need to defend the excesses of FOX to demand the truth from ALL of our political leadership and there are a few examples n the media of independent thought, of real journalism that doesn't necessarily dispute much of what is coming from FOX on this. A shame you're all SO certain of yourselves but you make your bed with the Obama Administration here, you lay in it!
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    It's evident Sausy isn't going to listen to common sense or reason here... there is no disingenuous intellectual dishonesty. People here provide evidence for their arguments. Where is your evidence? This has nothing to do with spin. We aren't spinned anything. McCain lost his reasoning skills years ago... one has to pity him. And that last post... making everything personal shows their is no proof for your argument... and now must resort to character attacks and strawmans.
    Evidence!? She fucking lied on five news programs. What more evidence is required? And the plural of strawman is strawmen.

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    ^ she didn't lie according to some people....she just told publicly what the CIA was spinning but....even David Petraeus strangely was buying into the video shit for awhile though NOBODY else was. It was pretty quickly evident it was a well planned operation. Even more curious right at the beginning of October there was an intelligence report that downplayed any sophistication and planning of the attack and tried to re-enter the video into the scenario but soon events proved it was evident to many pretty quickly it was a well planned operation...they knew exactly where to go and made a barrier so rescue operations could not effectively get in.Susan did what she was told but for who? And as late as September 25 on "The View" the President himself was talking up the video and downplaying anything else...when on September 12 in a "60 Minutes" piece never aired on the show the President talked otherwise. He said the Benghazi attack whatever the appearances was well planned and intented as an attack on America. Maybe it takes awhile to figure out all the particulars...but two things are clear. The Administration, for whatever reason, has not been honest or forthcoming. Also with a number of serious security breaches in the Benghazi area, including the consulate earlier in the summer being attacked and scoped and the Brits and the Red Cross leaving because of attacks to their facilities...there was a terrorist time bomb ticking and we should have either ramoped up security or left the area when the others did. Instead Ambassador Stevens and three other good men, including two genuine heroes,wound up dead and our nation was dealt a deliberate, in your face blow.

    Whether you think I'm uninformed or nuts is not any of my concern, I could not care less. But just because you don't like FOX or the conservative agenda ( and in many areas, believe it or not, I am not on board with it) doesn't mean your guys are the ones making righteous cause or because conservatives don't think well of them they are always being obtuse, ill informed, brain dead evil morons. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. You might try a little more humility or reflection....isn't open mindness, a distaste for absolutes in favor of shadings and nuance a proud aspect of progressive thought?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    The video had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Benghazi and for two weeks at least was the primary spin. You guys are stuck on disingenuous, intellectual dishonesty and frankly you're beyond feeling any empathy for. If you are going to hold Republicans feet to the fire better well treat Democrats in the same way and you're completely, nakedly partisan hypocrisy on that score speaks volumes. I respect those with political differences but won't be lectured by people who feel accountability only apply to the GOP's indiscretions... Jay, BP,anyone here still holding on the left flank sorry but YOU'RE the blindfully ignorant on this. Intelligence doesn't make up for a complete lack of common sense here and sanctimonious , selective moralizing! We could discuss all the crap from the Administration but you're not in the least bit interested in having a discussion...you do exactly what the Benvolio types do and spin things from your side and nowhere else. I wonder say Hawk if you could have handled being tortured or imprisoned for five and a half years like Senator Mc Cain.... been the son of the head of the Pacific Fleet and refused any chance to come home early by remaining unwillling to bend to his North Vietnamese captors. Your insult to his service speaks ill of someone I once respected as truly an honest and independent conservative but unfortunately that is no longer the case. One doesn't need to defend the excesses of FOX to demand the truth from ALL of our political leadership and there are a few examples n the media of independent thought, of real journalism that doesn't necessarily dispute much of what is coming from FOX on this. A shame you're all SO certain of yourselves but you make your bed with the Obama Administration here, you lay in it!
    So you're calling Dr Condoleeza Rice a Liar as well?
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    And just one more time for the record....

    John McCain is a pathetic bully who knows nothing of honor or truth, he is a shit stain on the panties of the GOP. He is the skid mark of the teabaggers. He sucks cock at the I want lobby money cockstop.

    He is a cock monster cum hungry whore for the GOP.

    maverick is far from what he is, unless you are talking about that silly twitch that happens when Mr Graham slides his cock up McCains ass and tells him like a dick puppet what to say and who to demean.

    mcCain wants to play that game? Lets play it.

    McCain wants to besmirch the woman who has NOTHING to do with intell? the mother fucking united nations ambassador?

    Give me a fucking break. I have thrown cum filled shit stained condoms away that are more attractive than that piece of shit up there in the senate.

    Consider this his last term.
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    McCain is right about this

    You can spew all of your insides about him

    It doesn't change the fact that she's a shitty pick before her Scintillating Benghazi performance

    After it ....... It's kabuki theater

    Obama can do his jive indignation play

    It works on his base - among whom the Press corps resides

    But his "we're investigating" is code for

    None of your business

    I'll get back to u

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    And just one more time for the record....

    John McCain is a pathetic bully who knows nothing of honor or truth, he is a shit stain on the panties of the GOP. He is the skid mark of the teabaggers. He sucks cock at the I want lobby money cockstop.

    He is a cock monster cum hungry whore for the GOP.

    maverick is far from what he is, unless you are talking about that silly twitch that happens when Mr Graham slides his cock up McCains ass and tells him like a dick puppet what to say and who to demean.

    mcCain wants to play that game? Lets play it.

    McCain wants to besmirch the woman who has NOTHING to do with intell? the mother fucking united nations ambassador?

    Give me a fucking break. I have thrown cum filled shit stained condoms away that are more attractive than that piece of shit up there in the senate.

    Consider this his last term.
    Let's deal with some of what you've written here. Knows nothing of honor? Really? Are you familiar with his captivity in Viet Nam? That he refused release until everyone who'd been captured before him had was released as well? Why not try reading about his stay in the Hanoi Hilton and see if you still think he knows nothing of honor. Reasonable people would disagree with your view.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

    On to US Ambassador to the UN Rice. Could you explain to us, what the Ambassador does in terms of day to day operations of our embassies and consulates abroad? What her duties are in terms of intelligence gathering? I'm not seeing her having any responsibilities in either of these areas.

    So the question is, why was she sent forth to lie? She said it wasn't premeditated. The president now claims that he called it a terrorist attack in a Rose Garden speech prior to Ambassador Rice making these fraudulent appearances on the networks.

    We now also know that she was sent out by the "White House" according to the president yesterday. Let's assume that it wasn't the building itself and that someone in the building sent her on this fool's errand. Who was it that did so? Who told her to push a story that the attack wasn't premeditated when the president is on record (at least sometimes) calling it terrorism, which is by it's definition premeditated?

    And why send her at all? Why wouldn't you send the Secretary of State? How about one of the National Security people? The US Ambassador to the UN has absolutely nothing to do with our embassies, their security or terrorism. Maybe we could have sent the Secretary of Agriculture? He's got about the same responsibilities on those matters as Rice.

    Rather than hurling invectives and wishing painful deaths on those with whom we disagree, why not get some real answers? Why not push for the truth unless that truth makes you uncomfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    McCain is right about this

    You can spew all of your insides about him

    It doesn't change the fact that she's a shitty pick before her Scintillating Benghazi performance

    After it ....... It's kabuki theater

    Obama can do his jive indignation play

    It works on his base - among whom the Press corps resides

    But his "we're investigating" is code for

    None of your business

    I'll get back to u

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    How's the Dow doing since the re-up ? Anyone know ?
    Two of you have called condoleeza Rice a liar in your zest to say anything "for your side" because it just looked that way in this thread.

    What that shitstained deformity called McCain, that turd masquerading as a Senator? you know, the condom full of cumm that used to occupy a seat in the senate? he's not a John, he's a crapper, and when he opens his lid, the stench fills the capital hill.

    He is one of the most pathetic depraved craven senile jaundiced cancerous pathetic troll in washington. He is the grand turd shit demon of the GOP.

    You all must feel so proud that he can still garner up the strength to hit a girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    Let's deal with some of what you've written here. Knows nothing of honor? Really? Are you familiar with his captivity in Viet Nam? That he refused release until everyone who'd been captured before him had was released as well? Why not try reading about his stay in the Hanoi Hilton and see if you still think he knows nothing of honor. Reasonable people would disagree with your view.

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    On to US Ambassador to the UN Rice. Could you explain to us, what the Ambassador does in terms of day to day operations of our embassies and consulates abroad? What her duties are in terms of intelligence gathering? I'm not seeing her having any responsibilities in either of these areas.

    So the question is, why was she sent forth to lie? She said it wasn't premeditated. The president now claims that he called it a terrorist attack in a Rose Garden speech prior to Ambassador Rice making these fraudulent appearances on the networks.

    We now also know that she was sent out by the "White House" according to the president yesterday. Let's assume that it wasn't the building itself and that someone in the building sent her on this fool's errand. Who was it that did so? Who told her to push a story that the attack wasn't premeditated when the president is on record (at least sometimes) calling it terrorism, which is by it's definition premeditated?

    Rather than hurling invectives and wishing painful deaths on those with whom we disagree, why not get some real answers? Why not push for the truth unless that truth makes you uncomfortable.
    Why don't you answer your own questions?

    You will just make shit up as we go anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Two of you have called condoleeza Rice a liar in your zest to say anything "for your side" because it just looked that way in this thread.

    What that shitstained deformity called McCain, that turd masquerading as a Senator? you know, the condom full of cumm that used to occupy a seat in the senate? he's not a John, he's a crapper, and when he opens his lid, the stench fills the capital hill.

    He is one of the most pathetic depraved craven senile jaundiced cancerous pathetic troll in washington. He is the grand turd shit demon of the GOP.

    You all must feel so proud that he can still garner up the strength to hit a girl.

    Charming group of people.
    Now it's a "girl" thing - LOL

    You're defending her honor r u ? With the big guy ?

    While spewing unconscionable shit about McCain ?

    Cybil comes to mind

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    Put Condoleeza Ricein Susan Rice's place and guess who will be spweing mysogynist crap? Most of the left. It's only a "girl " thing when the're defending "their" girl. Again utter disingenuousness, hypocrisy and demagoguery of the highest rank and lack of moral and intellectual honesty for good measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Why don't you answer your own questions?

    You will just make shit up as we go anyway.

    You really don't get it do you? She's being thrown under the bus by the "White House". Clinton wasn't about to pedal the lie to the media and Congress, nor were any of the intelligence community.

    She was a useful idiot, now she's disposable.

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