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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    THis is what SHE said on monday.....


    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...8ba77b1e43.131


    So all this week they have been fighting over a job she has stated that she does not desire to have.
    John Kerry says the same thing about serving as Senator... I buy both statements about as much as that bridge Al Sharpton is selling

    it sounds like no decision has been made internally, so I wouldn't expect anything official until that's done, but there's been enough chatter and leaks about Rice/Kerry that I'd say they're probably close to the truth.

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    As a certain Texan would say... Bless your pea pickin heart.

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    Are you talkin to me? Are you talkin to me?
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    ^^^

    It's an American conspiracy to confuse the rest of the world.

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    Hmm don't see any of the righties in here admitting they were completely wrong and so was John McCain now that Patraeus has completely defused the conspiracy idea.

    But I suppose never admitting you are wrong is par for the course....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Hmm don't see any of the righties in here admitting they were completely wrong and so was John McCain now that Patraeus has completely defused the conspiracy idea.
    That's because he hasn't done any such thing.

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    That's because he hasn't done any such thing.
    did someone say John 'Bomb Bomb Iran' McCain?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    That's because he hasn't done any such thing.
    Even the group on Morning Joe this morning --- minus Mika -- is asking why the talking points were changed. They're saying the WH has to answer.

    Benghazi has so many unanswered questions.

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Susan's Sunday tour in addition to the fabrication of the "spontaneous reaction to the video" also included the campaign lie that al Qaeda had been decimated

    Liar
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    Take your pick

    Petraeus testimony is anything but positive for WH

    It proves what was known when

    That the cover story was bullshit

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    I can't wait to find out who came up with the crazy fake video response and how they got almost everyone to go along with it. There has to be a movie or book deal there.

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    That's because he hasn't done any such thing.


    De-NILE.... lol

    The same hearing agreed that the white house changed one word... Consulate to Mission.....

    Another oddity is after the video was featured on the Egyptian evening news and after the outrage sparked riots in many places it is funny that no republican can actually agree to that... everyone of the outside the mainstream and haven't realized they lost horribly for their stupid tirades republicans still claims the video had no effect... While it certainly didn't in Benghazi is did in many other places...

    Odd..

    Kinda like McCain is an out of date asshat who made the Navy a better place when he left.....
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    What is really tragic is instead of actually finding out details that can prevent a future occurrence of the same failures the republican members of the panel are more intent on some fake conspiracy theory that was concocted to bolster a failed Presidential bid INSTEAD of focusing on why intel was so out to lunch to ignore months worth of indicators, that the response system for a diplomatic mission was so crickety that in eight hours military assets were not deployed.... those are the key issues... not Susan Rice. But once again the right seems intent on focusing on what can hurt Democrats and not what will help America. Sad and pathetic.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    ^Exactly...you raise two very good points here...

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The same hearing agreed that the white house changed one word... Consulate to Mission.....
    First... yes... indeed... the conspiracy balance beam that the right is standing on is getting ridiculously thin... I suppose at this point they are hoping the Obama reelection campaign bribed the entire intelligence community on signing off on the talking points and they weren't changed for security/classified reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    What is really tragic is instead of actually finding out details that can prevent a future occurrence of the same failures the republican members of the panel are more intent on some fake conspiracy theory that was concocted to bolster a failed Presidential bid INSTEAD of focusing on why intel was so out to lunch to ignore months worth of indicators, that the response system for a diplomatic mission was so crickety that in eight hours military assets were not deployed.... those are the key issues... not Susan Rice. But once again the right seems intent on focusing on what can hurt Democrats and not what will help America. Sad and pathetic.
    Second... this is extremely key too... this imaginary witchhunt is:
    A.) Indeed ignoring the real problem... that this incident was a MASSIVE intelligence failure by the intelligence community (not Susan Rice) that needs to be improved... as correcting this actually makes us safer... not shooting the messenger in the aftermath...
    B.) Certainly a distraction from creating... um... jobs...

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    McCarthy is smiling today. That mullet McCunt id continuing his work all too well.

    The GOP has no shame. They lie. It is institutional, and as we see here, it is endemic in their base.

    Lie and smear... sour grapes for losing an election. The hate and mud party is having a roll in the filth, come one come all.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Actually what's "tragic" is the stupidity showcased by those in love

    Blinding any judgement they may have once owned

    Susan was given bad info
    Susan is stupid
    Susan is lying

    Those are the options

    Pick one - any one - and tell me that this is a good thing

    What's also tragic is the idea that the truth gets in the way of anything

    Things that went wrong here:
    Lack of response to security requested
    Day of attack no help given
    Story made up about what happened
    Weeks - months of bullshit

    All points to Pres. Major shortcomings

    While his base defends the indefensible

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Nope it is all McCain's fault for being a failed legislator who can't seem to get the argument right since it keeps getting knocked back into his face.... him and his new bitch Lyndsey now that his old prison bitch Lieberman is headed out to retirement...
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    At least you're starting to give us more options...

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Susan was given bad info
    Susan is stupid
    Susan is lying

    Those are the options

    Pick one - any one - and tell me that this is a good thing
    I'm going to go with a.). She was given bad info... by the intelligence community... certainly not a good thing... but not indicative of a cover up in the slightest... nor is there any evidence to suggest otherwise... but I'm patient...

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Things that went wrong here:
    Lack of response to security requested
    Day of attack no help given
    Story made up about what happened
    Weeks - months of bullshit

    All points to Pres. Major shortcomings

    While his base defends the indefensible
    I'm going to go with a.) again here. While we still don't know the exact nature of the security requests, I will agree with you the handling of the situation BEFORE the incident seems pretty flawed and I hope the investigation turns up things to help us make our troops safer in the future. And, I certainly believe the administration's handling of these details should be examined thoroughly.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    I personally don't think it will ever come out in the wash BUT the reason forces were not used is because of the almost rebllion like nature of the republican response to using air resources in the liberation of Libya... had we committed ground forces to save our people the right would have claimed warmonger... I think that was the over riding hesitation to put in people.... we shall see what they come up with ... but guarantee aportion of the failure is blamed on ROE... ROE that is situational and set based off the political situation primarily. I have been in too many of these theaters where we didnt do what we COULD have done to stop or arrest an assult simply because of ROE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Actually what's "tragic" is the stupidity showcased by those in love

    Blinding any judgement they may have once owned

    Susan was given bad info
    Susan is stupid
    Susan is lying

    Those are the options

    Pick one - any one - and tell me that this is a good thing

    What's also tragic is the idea that the truth gets in the way of anything

    Things that went wrong here:
    Lack of response to security requested
    Day of attack no help given
    Story made up about what happened
    Weeks - months of bullshit

    All points to Pres. Major shortcomings

    While his base defends the indefensible
    The White House is the only one who hasn't testified and they picked Ms Rise as their spokesman on Benghazi.

    My pick: Susan is stupid and Susan is lying.


    Trying to make this about people who are trying to discover the truth will backfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Trying to make this about people who are trying to discover the truth will backfire.
    First salient statement on this Issue... I know you will join me in Supporting our President who started the investigation and desire to find the truth about what went wrong....

    as far as looney right wing conspiracy nuts? Lyndsey Graham was allowed to just blather on meet the press but was ask very exact questions about his allegations... such as going on a tirade about a cover up and then when ask if the President was covering it up Graham said ... no I think... and then went off not answering the question... he did that multiple time...

    so anyone who follows politics KNOWS the politician who doges every question is on the wrong side of the argument and they know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    McCarthy is smiling today. That mullet McCunt id continuing his work all too well.

    The GOP has no shame. They lie. It is institutional, and as we see here, it is endemic in their base.

    Lie and smear... sour grapes for losing an election. The hate and mud party is having a roll in the filth, come one come all.
    McCarthy now

    Jesus

    More progressive terrorism bullshit

    By the loudest of the loud

    But you're right about the lying part

    The only lies here are perpetrated by the Admin and their human moat

    Obama is right "come at me"

    He's got a chubby on this for some inexplicable reason

    When he should bow his head in shame

    As his inactions prior and during helped cause the death of 4 brave Americans and his actions after have disgraced their memories and insulted any intelligent person's intelligence

    You can spout your hateful bullshit about McCain all u want over and over again

    Doesn't change the fact that the president is the lead player in this fiasco and his conduct has been disgraceful

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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    The President has been completely above board. The republican "we must have a scandal" idiots that are more interested in headlines than truth are the disgraced politicians... but just so you will feel warm and fuzzy you and Rush are together on this one.
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    Re: Susan Rice Next Secretary of State ?

    Obama is as culpable in the deaths of the four people as Dubya was for the 9-11 attacks, or Reagan was for the Horrendous attacks on the embassies in Lebanon during his presidency.

    Most decent Americans cared more about bringing justice to the murderers than having a political witch hunt.

    Sadly that's all the GOP does now, and for as long as it engages in a smear campaign against Ms Rice, I will return the favor.

    McCain is a fool, he is a pathetic husk of a man desperately trying to hold onto power. That he would say the president is at fault for Rice's actions calling her stupid, when he was the guy that wanted to put that asshole Palin one weak heartbeat away from the presidency is ludicrous and shows just how willing the GOPpers here are to eat the shit that the conservative political entertainment complex is shoveling, is astounding.

    The GOP is pathetic, and it's lost it's way. It has no meaning, and has devolved into a party of mangy whiners with no ideas and plenty of unfounded criticism.

    When ANY of those trolls take the time to pass the Veterans jobs act and the Farm bill, I will take their "concern" for america seriously.

    Until then? I consider them derelict of duty, and guilty of ethics violations and malfeasance of office. McCain is like a piece of toilet paper stuck to the bottom of your shoe. You cant get rid of it, and as it decays it becomes filthy.
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    I've read this entire thread, but I'm not entirely sure how BP feels about John McCain... could you perhaps clarify your feelings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The President has been completely above board. The republican "we must have a scandal" idiots that are more interested in headlines than truth are the disgraced politicians... but just so you will feel warm and fuzzy you and Rush are together on this one.
    Hardly
    His debate I called it terrorism lie is anything but
    If he did why did he spend the next week + saying video

    He's been a shit on this

    And he's been stonewalling for obvious reasons

    Joe Scarborough (finally) took off his skirt today and called it what it is

    Political theater

    As for Rush - will take your word that he and I agree on this

    Seems one of us listens to him

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    It is political theater and the actors are the republicans... politicizing the death of Americans for potential political gain. The reality is the rest of the situation needs to be looked at NOT Susan Rice which has little to do with what went wrong....
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    The republican party suddenly cares about who is in charge? Since when? When they had their way for eight years in this country they stacked top government offices with unqualified idiots. Republicans are so full of shit... and the American people saw right through it. They are going on a witch hunt and Susan Rice is their target. No fucking evidence.

    The American people didn't buy the act in the debates... they didn't buy it on November 6th... so why are people still festering on about something that isn't a scandal?

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    The President has not been above board on Benghazi. He'd dodged every question about what actually happened.

    Where's the timeline for answers? We all know he is fond of timelines .... except when they are UNCOMFORTABLE.

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    The President addressed the issue of Benghazi numerous times. Selective memory is a terrible thing... maybe start looking at EVERYTHING that has been said and stop trying to make it into a fucking scandal which it isn't.

    The republican party has itself deep in manure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    It is political theater and the actors are the republicans... politicizing the death of Americans for potential political gain. The reality is the rest of the situation needs to be looked at NOT Susan Rice which has little to do with what went wrong....
    nah - the repubs reacted to the LIE perpetrated by the President in order to continue the charade that all was well in the ME - that his Al Qaeda kill job was final and complete

    this new truth (terror attack not video) made that campaign slogan obsolete

    and the campaign needed it

    so

    had the truth come out on day 1, there'd be nothing for the repubs to crow about - other than the obvious security lapses and unwillingness to respond to requests made for more - if i remember correctly you blamed stephens for his own death

    anyway, this bullshit started on the president's watch

    even more galling was his have it both ways spin move

    via the last debate where he lied through his teeth again !!!

    and got away with it

    joe's take was slightly diff than yours btw

    morning joe - great program even though joe is getting might soft in his middle aged years

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    WHat was the lie perpetrated by the President? Where is the proof? Present the proof. Because Petraeus's testimony disputes that right wing quackery story. Present some PROOF. It's funny people keep asking for proof and NONE... ZERO... ZIP is presented from the right wing sources on this site. They just keep chattering about what they think is a "charade".

    Oh and chance, there was no security request made for Benghazi. End of story.

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    Joe makes me think of you but only when he sits there with his arms crossed sounding sour and grumpy.... not a slight just my personal impression... i watch it daily... even when they suck and have nothing to talk about...

    This will be investigated with finality and hten each of you will fail to accept the findings... it has already been admitted to by both McCain and Graham in interviews that she used the talking points provided... so they decided now it must be someone magically manipulating the talking points... then it was proven that the white house didnt change anything to do with content.

    the idea that only the two always contrary and never accepting of reality posters are grasping tightly to this one thing gives it the most credence possible that what is being offered is false and partisan....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Joe makes me think of you but only when he sits there with his arms crossed sounding sour and grumpy.... not a slight just my personal impression... i watch it daily... even when they suck and have nothing to talk about...

    This will be investigated with finality and hten each of you will fail to accept the findings... it has already been admitted to by both McCain and Graham in interviews that she used the talking points provided... so they decided now it must be someone magically manipulating the talking points... then it was proven that the white house didnt change anything to do with content.

    the idea that only the two always contrary and never accepting of reality posters are grasping tightly to this one thing gives it the most credence possible that what is being offered is false and partisan....
    Amen to that.
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    Several of you guys need to catch up on what happened. I know Benghazi has just become known to many after the election -- but the incident happened almost two months before the election.

    The Administration has done everything they can do to draw this out -- so that people will just get tired and forget.

    But it is not going to go away unless answers are given.

    So I ask the President to answer the questions honestly and fully. Get this behind us.

    Al Qaeda and Islam terrorists are still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Joe makes me think of you but only when he sits there with his arms crossed sounding sour and grumpy.... not a slight just my personal impression... i watch it daily... even when they suck and have nothing to talk about...

    This will be investigated with finality and hten each of you will fail to accept the findings... it has already been admitted to by both McCain and Graham in interviews that she used the talking points provided... so they decided now it must be someone magically manipulating the talking points... then it was proven that the white house didnt change anything to do with content.

    the idea that only the two always contrary and never accepting of reality posters are grasping tightly to this one thing gives it the most credence possible that what is being offered is false and partisan....
    Nice - proof that u cannot play with others ..... Again

    And if u want to wrap yourself in the "warmth" of the 85 and with ur lips up the presidents ass by all means

    But don't confuse that with the truth

    The Presidents conduct is far worse than Rice

    She's an opportunistic and apparently not too respectful tool

    Who has proven the Peter principle

    And your joe s reference is proof that you're weak

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    Jack every poster who has posted in this thread has commented on Benghazi every since it happened and have pointed out the politicization immediately by the right as they were surely losing the election and had to grasp onto something. it is now being championed by two hate groups... John McCain based on his defeat in 2008 and the house tea party based on their defeat this year...

    The conspiracy part is utter and complete nonsense and you all know it but only have this last drum to bang on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Nice - proof that u cannot play with others ..... Again

    And if u want to wrap yourself in the "warmth" of the 85 and with ur lips up the presidents ass by all means

    But don't confuse that with the truth

    The Presidents conduct is far worse than Rice

    She's an opportunistic and apparently not too respectful tool

    Who has proven the Peter principle

    And your joe s reference is proof that you're weak
    As I posted above the only people holding on to this theory are the weak and defeated members of the republican party... those that wish to remain viable are remaining silent. You know as well as I do if there was any validity MANY more republican senators would be on the television staking out their position. It is baseless and they know and so do you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Several of you guys need to catch up on what happened. I know Benghazi has just become known to many after the election -- but the incident happened almost two months before the election.

    The Administration has done everything they can do to draw this out -- so that people will just get tired and forget.

    But it is not going to go away unless answers are given.

    So I ask the President to answer the questions honestly and fully. Get this behind us.

    Al Qaeda and Islam terrorists are still around.
    Is that so? I've looked at the facts, including General Petraeus's testimony which destroys the right wing argument. I think one needs to read up on it.

    And yes, Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists are around... one can thank the republicans for creating blowback in the world that causes people to join terrorist groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Is that so? I've looked at the facts, including General Petraeus's testimony which destroys the right wing argument. I think one needs to read up on it.

    And yes, Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists are around... one can thank the republicans for creating blowback in the world that causes people to join terrorist groups.
    Republicans are not the reason terror exist. Inequity of peoples at the hands of despotic oil regimes are to blame. If anything capitalism is to blame. Think about it... a vast portion of the worlds wealth has flowed to the oil rich middle east for decades and the people are regressing instead of progressing..... rather simple when you think about it however the solutions are not all that simple unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Republicans are not the reason terror exist. Inequity of peoples at the hands of despotic oil regimes are to blame. If anything capitalism is to blame. Think about it... a vast portion of the worlds wealth has flowed to the oil rich middle east for decades and the people are regressing instead of progressing..... rather simple when you think about it however the solutions are not all that simple unfortunately.
    Well the republicans in the 1980s (a decade republicans have a love affair with), sat down with the mujahedin from Afghanistan and when the war was over, proceeded to leave Afghanistan out to dry. If the US took a more active approach after the end of the Soviet-Afghan war things would be better at least in that part of the world. The country spiraled into total chaos.



    While inequity could be blamed, the US mishandled the Afghan situation... and two successive republican administrations were to blame.

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    No two successive congresses where there was ZERO support for spending money in Afghanistan... the only proponents FOR spending money to prevent chaos and build a friend were republicans not democrats. The Senate and House in 88 and 90 were both Democratically controlled and by those whom had no desire to spend money on foreigners. Remember before the Clinton era Democrats were largely scoffed and dismissed on a foreign relations aspect just as Republicans have no plan now. Yet they held the senate and house and controlled the spending just as republicans do now.

    And besides the idea that terror began in Afghanistan is ludicrous. Inequity is to blame plain and simply.

    Terrorism Timeline from 1979 - 1970

    Iran Hostage Crisis, November 4, 1979:

    After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the US, Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.

    Ambassador to Afghanistan Assassinated, February 14, 1979:

    Four Afghans kidnapped U.S. Ambassador Adolph Dubs in Kabul and demanded the release of various "religious figures." Dubs was killed, along with four alleged terrorists, when Afghan police stormed the hotel room where he was being held.

    Assassination of Former Chilean Diplomat, September 21, 1976:

    Exiled Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier was killed by a car-bomb in Washington.

    Domestic Terrorism, January 27-29, 1975:

    Puerto Rican nationalists bombed a Wall Street bar, killing four and injuring 60; two days later, the Weather Underground claims responsibility for an explosion in a bathroom at the U.S. Department of State in Washington.

    Ambassador to Cyprus Assassinated, August 19, 1974:

    U.S. Ambassador to Cyprus Rodger P. Davies and his Greek Cypriot secretary were shot and killed by snipers during a demonstration outside the U.S. Embassy in Nicosia.

    Attack and Hijacking at the Rome Airport, December 17, 1973:

    Five terrorists pulled weapons from their luggage in the terminal lounge at the Rome airport, killing two persons. They then attacked a Pan American 707 bound for Beirut and Tehran, destroying it with incendiary grenades and killing 29 persons, including 4 senior Moroccan officials and 14 American employees of the Arabian-American Oil Company (ARAMCO). They then herded 5 Italian hostages into a Lufthansa airliner and killed an Italian customs agent as he tried to escape, after which they forced the pilot to fly to Beirut. After Lebanese authorities refused to let the plane land, it landed in Athens, where the terrorists demanded the release of 2 Arab terrorists. In order to make Greek authorities comply with their demands, the terrorists killed a hostage and threw his body onto the tarmac. The plane then flew to Damascus, where it stopped for two hours to obtain fuel and food. It then flew to Kuwait, where the terrorists released their hostages in return for passage to an unknown destination. The Palestine Liberation Organization disavowed the attack, and no group claimed responsibility for it.

    Consul General in Mexico Kidnapped, May 4, 1973:

    U.S. Consul General in Guadalajara Terrence Leonhardy was kidnapped by members of the People's Revolutionary Armed Forces.

    Ambassador to Sudan Assassinated, March 2, 1973:

    U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by members of the Black September organization.

    U.S. Agency for International Development Adviser Kidnapped, July 31, 1970:

    In Montevideo, Uruguay, the Tupamaros terrorist group kidnapped AID Police adviser Dan Mitrione; his body was found on August 10.
    Terror is the tactic of those weakened and prevented by their weakness from any other substantial reaction to the inequity dealt upon them by the free market of the United States... I for one defend that free market idea because it gives me this country and this lifestyle. That does not make the cause and effect any less relevant.
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    ^^^

    Reagan during Halloween 1983?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    No two successive congresses where there was ZERO support for spending money in Afghanistan... the only proponents FOR spending money to prevent chaos and build a friend were republicans not democrats. The Senate and House in 88 and 90 were both Democratically controlled and by those whom had no desire to spend money on foreigners. Remember before the Clinton era Democrats were largely scoffed and dismissed on a foreign relations aspect just as Republicans have no plan now. Yet they held the senate and house and controlled the spending just as republicans do now.
    The country was spirialing into a recession at that point in time. In addition, they allowed a great deal of spending raises during the Reagan administration. The executive office is more to blame.

    And besides the idea that terror began in Afghanistan is ludicrous. Inequity is to blame plain and simply.
    I never said that the idea of terror began in Afghanistan. It's been something that has been brewing. But the 1980s were a decade where terrorism amplified significantly and grew. One can look at the failed and catastrophic intervention in Lebanon.

    The republican foreign policy during the 1980s was a pile of shit... in my opinion, and was responsible for significant blowback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    While inequity could be blamed, the US mishandled the Afghan situation... and two successive republican administrations were to blame.
    Didn't see that last part there... I agree it was mishandled. I disagree on which party is staunchly against using money and weapons to change the face of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post

    The republican policy during the 1980s was a pile of shit... in my opinion, and was responsible for significant blowback.
    Perhaps but terror started in the 60's and has escalated since. Regardless the time of the eighties was when we WERE helping Afghanistan defend itself against our cold war enemy the USSR. Once the democrats took over and cut funding the country descended into chaos where there could have been a staunch ally... 9/11 would have still happened regardless it just wouldn't have been from Afghanistan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Didn't see that last part there... I agree it was mishandled. I disagree on which party is staunchly against using money and weapons to change the face of the world.
    The republican party advocated a kind of foreign policy during the 1980s that was pretty catastrophic. It's a reason why a country like El Salvador is in such a desperate state right now. It's not anything to write home about.

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    Oh I didn't say every aspect was anything to write home about... but on the singular statement that Afghanistan happened because of republicans is blatantly false or at a minimum a mis-remembering of history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Oh I didn't say every aspect was anything to write home about... but on the singular statement that Afghanistan happened because of republicans is blatantly false or at a minimum a mis-remembering of history.
    The situation in Afghanistan was brewing for years, and the Russian intervention, which did start in 1979, was to blame for much of it. Russia basically wrecked every country they touched. HOWEVER, the republicans are indeed to blame for a great deal of the mishandling of Afghanistan and I will not back down from that statement. Their foreign policy of the 1980s was almost entirely disgusting and reprehensible. THere is no defense for the foreign policy of the fascist Reagan.

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    Okie dokie... but if you maintain as you did in the first part of this discussion that the reason it became a terrorist haven is because we failed to support them becoming a civilized nation after funding them ridiculously during the war effort then that is ONE HUNDRED percent a democratic decision... lock stock and barrel.
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