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    SCOTUS to review Voting Rights Act

    Racists in the South have hated the Voting Rights Act of 1965 since it was first debated in Congress, and have done everything possible to thwart it, first as Democrats and then as Republicans. Now they have their chance to throw off its civilizing influence so they can put the squeeze on liberty again:

    The Supreme Court will consider eliminating the government's most potent weapon against racial discrimination at polling places since the 1960s. . . . .
    With a look at affirmative action in higher education already on the agenda, the court is putting a spotlight on race by re-examining the ongoing necessity of laws and programs aimed at giving racial minorities access to major areas of American life from which they once were systematically excluded.
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    In an order Friday, the justices agreed to hear a constitutional challenge to the part of the landmark Voting Rights Act that requires all or parts of 16 states with a history of discrimination in voting to get federal approval before making any changes in the way they hold elections.
    In a year when Republicans across the nation were slammed by more than one court for engaging in activities meant to discourage voting, it's amazing that they'd even consider a challenge to this law. It's set to expire in 2031 anyway, and by the evidence it may be needed that long.

    On the other hand, given the shenanigans in states not covered by the Act, we can hope that the Court will be wise and extend it to cover the entire nation -- thus resolving one possible constitutional challenge.


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    I think it is time to replace the Voting rights act with a new act that applies to all. Demands a specific amount of voting opportunity for a specific population number and that election commissions be officiated by non or bi partisan committee or panels. Enough is enough of these shenanigans and Florida should be embarrassed as a State. The entire leadership of that state should resign in disgrace over the conduct of their election
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    Re: SCOTUS to review Voting Rights Act

    Don't bet on it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lou-du...b_1223195.html

    Here's your catalyst.
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    Honestly why haven't we turned redistricting over to computers using criteria to make as close to square or circular districts as possible based solely on population and not any other factors?
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    Honestly you don't need a computer to do that - if you don't know why we don't do it that way, you haven't been paying attention.
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    Re: SCOTUS to review Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Racists in the South have hated the Voting Rights Act of 1965 since it was first debated in Congress, and have done everything possible to thwart it, first as Democrats and then as Republicans. Now they have their chance to throw off its civilizing influence so they can put the squeeze on liberty again:



    In a year when Republicans across the nation were slammed by more than one court for engaging in activities meant to discourage voting, it's amazing that they'd even consider a challenge to this law. It's set to expire in 2031 anyway, and by the evidence it may be needed that long.

    On the other hand, given the shenanigans in states not covered by the Act, we can hope that the Court will be wise and extend it to cover the entire nation -- thus resolving one possible constitutional challenge.


    read more:
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    The court is considering challenges to the law because vast portions of it are no longer relevant. If they rule in favor of the states (which looks likely) they will most likely instruct congress to update the law to be relevant.

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    Voter ID laws will fail at the Supreme Court too. If all US citizens were issued Government IDs for free, IDs could be allowed to vote but since the states charge money for them, they are an indirect poll tax. Reckon you could go further and get into loopholes such as states will issue one free license per expiry period (for MA that would be every 5 years) and then charge heavily for duplicates, but since you got that one freebie, it's legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Honestly you don't need a computer to do that - if you don't know why we don't do it that way, you haven't been paying attention.
    And that has worked so well has it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    And that has worked so well has it not?
    ???

    You seem to think that changing who (or actually what in this case) is actually (in the sense of printers or draftsmen) drawing a map is going to change something.

    THAT HAS NEVER BEEN THE ISSUE AND IT WILL NEVER BE A SOLUTION!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    The court is considering challenges to the law because vast portions of it are no longer relevant. If they rule in favor of the states (which looks likely) they will most likely instruct congress to update the law to be relevant.
    And this Congress won't do anything worthwhile.

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    ???

    You seem to think that changing who (or actually what in this case) is actually (in the sense of printers or draftsmen) drawing a map is going to change something.

    THAT HAS NEVER BEEN THE ISSUE AND IT WILL NEVER BE A SOLUTION!
    Yes it's been the issue -- the party in power always draws the maps in their favor, regardless of any semblance of common sense.

    The task should be given to mathematicians who value elegance in solutions over any political position, to find the solution that keeps the length of boundaries to a minimum while equalizing the populations within those boundaries.

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    Re: SCOTUS to review Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Voter ID laws will fail at the Supreme Court too. If all US citizens were issued Government IDs for free, IDs could be allowed to vote but since the states charge money for them, they are an indirect poll tax. Reckon you could go further and get into loopholes such as states will issue one free license per expiry period (for MA that would be every 5 years) and then charge heavily for duplicates, but since you got that one freebie, it's legal.
    What's wrong with the idea of the federal government establishing a network of National I. D. Bureaus (or some such), where all people could go to get a free National ID with photo? Furthermore, the ID would have an indication that the person is in the Social Security system, with a government-issued number. (I assume that undocumented/"illegal" aliens do NOT have Social Security Numbers, right?) That, and the age, and an indication that the person has a Social Security #, would be considered valid ID to vote, in all states. These photo ID's would be issued entirely free of charge.

    I am not pulling this model out of a vacuum - there is a precedent for such a thing. Think back about forty years to the Selective Service (military "draft") system, where all males were required to register upon reaching 18 years of age, and all males were given "draft cards" entirely free of charge.

    Furthermore, just as males were REQUIRED to carry their draft cards on their persons at all times (until they aged out of being eligible to be drafted, upon reaching 45 years), the National ID card could be required to be carried at all times as well.
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    A federal ID would die on the mere utterance of the words. Too much big brother stuff no matter how much sense it makes.

    Also men after passing their 18th birthday are still required to register with the Selective Service. It is not currently used to draft but that is the purpose and why it is illegal not to register.

    Finally, I have to see about four different concordant documents to verify identity because getting a Social Security number is the easiest thing since sliced pie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Ö all males were given "draft cards" entirely free of charge.
    Thatís almost humorous.


    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Ö just as males were REQUIRED to carry their draft cards on their persons at all times (until they aged out of being eligible to be drafted, upon reaching 45 years), the National ID card could be required to be carried at all times as well.
    Why not just embed RFID chips in everyone. Itíd be much simpler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    ...Yes it's been the issue -- the party in power always draws the maps in their favor, regardless of any semblance of common sense...
    OK.

    Yeah that's exactly what I said.
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    So require everyone to register with the "Elective Service" when they graduate from high school.

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    Don't bet on it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lou-du...b_1223195.html

    Here's your catalyst.
    Democrats do the same thing in California -- they rule and don't govern.

    They have made it so hard that republicans don't even feel welcome to run for office in many parts of the state.

    Not much difference between Texas and California -- just difference in parties -- and that makes a huge difference in how they are treated.

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    Why not just embed RFID chips in everyone. It’d be much simpler.
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    There need to be federal standards, but the states need to be integral. Voter tampering is difficult because our voter registration volunteers nationwide, are the truest of true believers in the vote. We are talking about precinct workers.

    It's hard to get a cheat past them. If you federalize the process too much you interfere with their local mandates.

    It's better that we decide what does NOT work, federally, and make adjustments. Things as simple as having a certain amount of polling places per capita, and tie it to their federal highway funding.

    We need to think in the most basic of terms here. All we really need to stop at this point, after watching this election, is slowing a precinct vote or making people less inclined to vote, by having long lines.

    It's a basic fix, and it requires no federal expenditure. States want to be in control of their elections? Have enough polling stations or pave your own streets. IT will end in one cycle. Voting lines would be a thing of the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    There need to be federal standards, but the states need to be integral. Voter tampering is difficult because our voter registration volunteers nationwide, are the truest of true believers in the vote. We are talking about precinct workers.

    It's hard to get a cheat past them. If you federalize the process too much you interfere with their local mandates.

    It's better that we decide what does NOT work, federally, and make adjustments. Things as simple as having a certain amount of polling places per capita, and tie it to their federal highway funding.

    We need to think in the most basic of terms here. All we really need to stop at this point, after watching this election, is slowing a precinct vote or making people less inclined to vote, by having long lines.

    It's a basic fix, and it requires no federal expenditure. States want to be in control of their elections? Have enough polling stations or pave your own streets. IT will end in one cycle. Voting lines would be a thing of the past.
    Exactly -- a new Voting Rights Act should set minimum standards, and let the states figure out how to implement them.


    edit: or instead of highway funds, tie it to the balance of funds -- any state that doesn't comply gets federal funds to it cut so that it only gets back what it put in
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    So having flat feet would be an exemption?
    I read that quickly and thought you said flat fee..... then re-read my post wondering what on earth.......

    SO yeah for most services flat feet is a killer... so are so many other things. you know those huge hoops kids put int heir ears called gauges? Well after they are removed if I can see daylight through your ear you are not qualified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Exactly -- a new Voting Rights Act should set minimum standards, and let the states figure out how to implement them.


    edit: or instead of highway funds, tie it to the balance of funds -- any state that doesn't comply gets federal funds to it cut so that it only gets back what it put in
    So then only the red states will have to comply since blue states typically get back less than they put in????

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    I agree and that was all I meant ... the fed ought to require specific number of polling stations by both distance and numbers of voters. you know so the town of 12 has a station and the town of 12000 has 10 stations....


    I am also quite fond of the Australian idea that you be fined for failure to vote. You would see the tone and content of elections change over night if the politicians had to appeal to a vast majority of America instead of their own faithful plus a few more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And this Congress won't do anything worthwhile.



    Yes it's been the issue -- the party in power always draws the maps in their favor, regardless of any semblance of common sense.

    The task should be given to mathematicians who value elegance in solutions over any political position, to find the solution that keeps the length of boundaries to a minimum while equalizing the populations within those boundaries.
    Exactly, it should not be that difficult to computerize that process to take the politicos completely out of it.
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    That would be ultimately giving it to mathematicians.... 0's and 1's only know 0's and 1's.....

    Oh wait didn't the mathematical analysis the republican ORCA program made come to the conclusion that Romney would win?


    Dammmmmit. So politicians can influence mathematics for political gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That would be ultimately giving it to mathematicians.... 0's and 1's only know 0's and 1's.....

    Oh wait didn't the mathematical analysis the republican ORCA program made come to the conclusion that Romney would win?


    Dammmmmit. So politicians can influence mathematics for political gain.
    Only when they hire and pay the mathematicians. Statisticians are flexible anyway, and prone to playing with the data to get a result that pleases the customer. Straight mathematicians like to get the most elegant result, and don't really care what anyone thinks about the result.

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    I get that but finding chaste virgins on the polticial landscape is not humanly possible in my humble opinion...
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    QUESTION: What happened to the ONE MILLION "poll watchers" that the Republicans were supposedly getting out into the precincts, to "assure" that the voting went smoothly and properly?

    That was another reason why I was expecting the Republicans to steal the Presidency this year - by having so, so very many operatives out there, manning every possible polling station which may lean Democratic - and "look threatening" and do other things (within the law) to intimidate or scare away voters.

    Surprisingly I heard nothing at all about these hordes of "poll watchers" after November 5 (before the election).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I get that but finding chaste virgins on the polticial landscape is not humanly possible in my humble opinion...
    How many mathematicians have you known? Out of the half dozen I've known, not a one would put politics above the best solution to a mathematical problem/question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    How many mathematicians have you known? Out of the half dozen I've known, not a one would put politics above the best solution to a mathematical problem/question.
    Quite a few based on the Nuclear Energy portion of my job. It attracts math geeks. Money changes 99.99999 point 99999% of people. Bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Quite a few based on the Nuclear Energy portion of my job. It attracts math geeks. Money changes 99.99999 point 99999% of people. Bottom line.
    1. Huh? They get their salaries from their universities. They could be paid a couple of thousand for doing the districting. Where's money going to come in to change them?

    2. Do you expect me to believe that the nuc geeks change their results to make the politicians happy?

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    Is it possible that 59 districts in Philly had zero Romney votes last Thursday?

    It doesn't seem possible. I guess it could. But very hard to believe.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...ero_votes.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Is it possible that 59 districts in Philly had zero Romney votes last Thursday?

    It doesn't seem possible. I guess it could. But very hard to believe.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...ero_votes.html
    Given the information in the article, it's not too surprising. I know we have precincts that come up pure Republican with monotonous regularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    1. Huh? They get their salaries from their universities. They could be paid a couple of thousand for doing the districting. Where's money going to come in to change them?

    2. Do you expect me to believe that the nuc geeks change their results to make the politicians happy?
    Yes ... please see Three Mile Island... but that isnt the point. The point was you asking me if I knew math geeks.

    All I am saying is a process that affects elections and therefore power will always be open to manipulation. have no doubt. Regardless of the education the people trusted with the process receive. it will not be those people that make the process ethical it will be the process.
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    Yes ... please see Three Mile Island... but that isnt the point. The point was you asking me if I knew math geeks.

    All I am saying is a process that affects elections and therefore power will always be open to manipulation. have no doubt. Regardless of the education the people trusted with the process receive. it will not be those people that make the process ethical it will be the process.
    At Three Mile Island their jobs were on the line. No professor's job is going to be on the line for doing the math for redistricting. And if you're worried that somehow it could be, then use five teams and throw out the outliers -- though if they're doing it mathematically, all the results should match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    ???

    You seem to think that changing who (or actually what in this case) is actually (in the sense of printers or draftsmen) drawing a map is going to change something.

    THAT HAS NEVER BEEN THE ISSUE AND IT WILL NEVER BE A SOLUTION!
    Its always been the issue, and it always WILL be the issue until partisans are forbidden from affecting the drawing of electoral maps. No one has the balls to actually fix it, because each side uses it to their benefit when they're in power.

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    That would be ultimately giving it to mathematicians.... 0's and 1's only know 0's and 1's.....

    Oh wait didn't the mathematical analysis the republican ORCA program made come to the conclusion that Romney would win?


    Dammmmmit. So politicians can influence mathematics for political gain.
    Several states already use programs and formulas to determine their maps during redistricting. And wouldn't you know, in those states there are never complaints about the maps benefiting certain parties, and the equity of the maps is never questioned.

    Seems to me that if some states already do it without issue, its about damn time the rest of us do it too. And its about damn time the Federal government instructs the states to do so.

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    The Voting Rights Act is one of the greatest achievements of Congress in U.S. history. To strike it down would be a massive blow to our Republic. You should hold any politician or party to be suspicious to want to remove a piece of legislation that actually protects and encourages the most Americans to vote.

    I am actually scared of what the Conservative side of the Supreme Court will do in this case. I hope it is not another Citizens United decision. Look at what a terrible thing it did to this year's 2012 elections. The money that poured into our elections was atrocious and harmful to our democratic process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    At Three Mile Island their jobs were on the line. No professor's job is going to be on the line for doing the math for redistricting. And if you're worried that somehow it could be, then use five teams and throw out the outliers -- though if they're doing it mathematically, all the results should match.
    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Several states already use programs and formulas to determine their maps during redistricting. And wouldn't you know, in those states there are never complaints about the maps benefiting certain parties, and the equity of the maps is never questioned.

    Seems to me that if some states already do it without issue, its about damn time the rest of us do it too. And its about damn time the Federal government instructs the states to do so.
    Look I am not saying it is impossible just that the idea of simply involving math will make it right does not add up in this politically charged country. Everything is manipulated for advantage.... everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Its always been the issue, and it always WILL be the issue until partisans are forbidden from affecting the drawing of electoral maps. No one has the balls to actually fix it, because each side uses it to their benefit when they're in power.
    Yeah, that was exactly the point I was making.
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