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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Sadly, The Daily Show where Jon expounds his own journalistic ingenuity over the whole affair.

    Yes, using work stuff for non-work related things is against many company's policies. Hell, I remember at my old job that when my own mom sent me an email to my business one, IT guys intercepted it and I got an email back from them saying that I shouldn't use my work email for "personal endeavors".
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    So DID he bang her under a desk at work or not?


    Seems the email thing is right out.
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    Is that Peggy Noonen? Why are we still listening to her?
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    Actually watch the whole clip...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    It makes me question his judgement and his ability to to act in a rational way.

    Sex under the desk? Seriously? Couldn't wait to get a motel?
    Your personal life must be incredibly boring if you think sex under a desk is bizarre. Now, if the desk had been out in a room with a half dozen other desks, with people at them, yeah, that would be a bit over the top. So would sex in a dumpster, or on an escalator. But under the desk tells me he has an orderly and disciplined character that wouldn't let him disturb the top of the desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Sadly, The Daily Show where Jon expounds his own journalistic ingenuity over the whole affair.

    Yes, using work stuff for non-work related things is against many company's policies. Hell, I remember at my old job that when my own mom sent me an email to my business one, IT guys intercepted it and I got an email back from them saying that I shouldn't use my work email for "personal endeavors".
    I'm not that much of a prude. I read Gawker and Media Matters at work, but that's far different from having sex under a desk.

    I find it troubling that the FBI is making an issue over the affair and that he had to resign because of it, but these lurid details of his sexual indiscretions take their toll.
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    So, has ANYONE been charged with anything yet? And who was Cantor fucking?
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    Awesome Maxpwr9 thanks I hadn't seen the whole thing....

    Both clips are funny end to end but the miriad of clips where fox news 'pundits' express outrage over whatever vague conspiracy they cantrive and then Stewart (a comedian mind you) blows up their arguments with their own news broadcast.... amazing....utterly republicans are so fucking full of shit amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    I find it troubling that the FBI is making an issue over the affair and that he had to resign because of it, but these lurid details of his sexual indiscretions take their toll.
    This is actually turning out to be a much deeper problem than just a lurid sexual affair of adultery. Now more people are involved and it includes harassment and classified information. I don't think we've seen the full story yet, and it may be far worse than it appears even now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Actually watch the whole clip...

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    Spyfall - Part 2
    Stewart seemed to know the Broadwell chick pretty well in an earlier episode. What is their connection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    This is actually turning out to be a much deeper problem than just a lurid sexual affair of adultery. Now more people are involved and it includes harassment and classified information. I don't think we've seen the full story yet, and it may be far worse than it appears even now.
    Even John Kerry now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Stewart seemed to know the Broadwell chick pretty well in an earlier episode. What is there connection?
    I believe they worked together to raise funds for Wounded Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Warrior_Project)

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    Dammit! Here I sit with an article about Cantor and he has already been mentioned. HE tried to cause an October surprise and failed.
    I'm gonna post the article anyway. Fuck Stewart!

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    MARK KARLIN, EDITOR OF BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT ericcantor2 Eric Cantor: His October Surprise Failed

    Amidst the sordid details of the high-ranking CIA sex scandal (that has now spread to an investigation of Jill Kelley, the woman who complained of being harassed by Gen. David Petraeus's mistress (Paula Broadwell), being involved in voluminous and questionable e-mail exchanges with the current commander of forces in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen), one important political factor has emerged in the last day: Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor appears to have tried to put pressure on the FBI to advance the investigation, with the likely goal of an October surprise scandal that would have potentially harmed Obama's chance of re-election.
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    No shock at all at the fact Fox News fails to mention Cantor's role in all of this.
    And I'll also say this..over and over people have said Petraeus is a man of integrity,yet some people at Faux News and elsewhere have said he might have been blackmailed into lying so he could keep his job.
    Doesn't sound like he has much integrity to me in that case.

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    FOX reported last week that Cantor had be told -- I think it was Oct. 26 or 27 -- and referred the person who told him to the FBI.

    MSNBC and MediaMatters doesn't report all the stuff from FOX News. In fact, I hear they have an agenda regarding FOX.

    Sources tell Fox News that Reichert talked to the whistle-blower, then referred him to Cantor. The whistle-blower talked to the majority leader’s office, then to Cantor directly. The whistle-blower -- who purportedly was concerned about a possible national security breach -- was then put in touch with FBI Director Robert Mueller.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2CDiherap

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    OK genius, why did some no name FBI special agent HAVE to tell Cantor?

    Specifics - if you can find any. What regulation or rule was there that the Hose Majority Leader HAD to be told but NOT the Senate or anyone else evidently.

    SOOOOOO Has ANYONE been charged with a crime yet?
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    I have a big simple question to ask the republicans here.

    Why did Cantor not tell the nation and the president when he was made aware of the problem by the people involved in the issue.

    When you answer that question, and think of all its implications, things start to become clearer.

    Why is it that all participants are GOP members? How did they conspire to keep this secret from the executive office, yet leak it to the legislature.

    Who has the most to gain from all of this?

    People need to stop being tittilated by the real housewives of the Armed forces, and a bit more attuned to the players and the effects that they caused.

    Who can benefit from the head of the CIA being removed, and who would be able to do it through contacts? The last CIA director, who is now.... gasp.... The Sec of defense. You know... the guy that the generals report to in the pentagon.

    Oh yeah, on a side note... a budget negotiation is getting ready to happen that may cut funding for agencies across the board. I wonder what effect these events are going to do to the budgets of these departments now. Anyone have a guess?

    Who was the first politician who knew all about this and didn't tell the commander in chief?

    OHHH Cantor that's right. He would have no reason to want leverage in an upcoming budget negotiation.
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    Why does this Paula woman remind me so much of the Glenn Close character in Fatal Attraction? Their eyes?

    Here's what I don't get--if we gay folks don't want people focusing on our sex life, so why is it okay to focus on theirs? This is a personal issue between Mr. Petraus and his wife, period. I felt this same way about former President Clinton.

    And please don't lecture about morality, holding some people to higher standards. If you want to go there, then why are so many philanderers still in Congress? Why didn't they resign immediately? Folks like Ensign from NV; Vitter from LA. And please understand, I am not singling out republicans--these two are the first who come to my mind.

    As I learn more about this case each day, I am reminded about that old adage "Be careful what you ask for". I wonder if the woman in Florida (Jill somebody?) who went to the FBI thought through the potential that her family's dirty laundry would be aired?

    Now we've learned about her and her husband's financial problems; her twin sister's custody battle? Wow...

    This event should be a teaching moment for all, especially our young folks--if you write it, post it, it's forever. Kinda like those stupid sexting nude shots that get posted...

    IF we learn that any security/defense information was compromised, then it's time to throw the book at all involved. And don't get me going on the FBI guy who informed Cantor, et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    OK genius, why did some no name FBI special agent HAVE to tell Cantor?

    Specifics - if you can find any. What regulation or rule was there that the Hose Majority Leader HAD to be told but NOT the Senate or anyone else evidently.

    SOOOOOO Has ANYONE been charged with a crime yet?

    It was a unnamed whistle blower who contacted Cantor -- you know as much as I do now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It was a unnamed whistle blower who contacted Cantor -- you know as much as I do now.
    Why didn't he either use it as an election issue, or inform the commander in chief that it occurred? There is no answer that looks good for Cantor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
    Why does this Paula woman remind me so much of the Glenn Close character in Fatal Attraction? Their eyes?

    Here's what I don't get--if we gay folks don't want people focusing on our sex life, so why is it okay to focus on theirs? This is a personal issue between Mr. Petraus and his wife, period. I felt this same way about former President Clinton.

    And please don't lecture about morality, holding some people to higher standards. If you want to go there, then why are so many philanderers still in Congress? Why didn't they resign immediately? Folks like Ensign from NV; Vitter from LA. And please understand, I am not singling out republicans--these two are the first who come to my mind.

    As I learn more about this case each day, I am reminded about that old adage "Be careful what you ask for". I wonder if the woman in Florida (Jill somebody?) who went to the FBI thought through the potential that her family's dirty laundry would be aired?

    Now we've learned about her and her husband's financial problems; her twin sister's custody battle? Wow...

    This event should be a teaching moment for all, especially our young folks--if you write it, post it, it's forever. Kinda like those stupid sexting nude shots that get posted...

    IF we learn that any security/defense information was compromised, then it's time to throw the book at all involved. And don't get me going on the FBI guy who informed Cantor, et al.
    The reason everyone is focused on his sex life --- one simple fact -- Mr. Patraeus was the head of CIA. He made himself open to blackmail. Think about the possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Why didn't he either use it as an election issue, or inform the commander in chief that it occurred? There is no answer that looks good for Cantor.
    He referred to the FBI -- you should be glad Cantor did not make it an election issue.

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    Jack that makes no sense.

    Cantor is part of this, in some way, and we will find out. If there's one thing I trust, it's a politicians instinct to hide damaging situations well.
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    Cantor's own career could be at risk now... regardless if he made it an election issue or not. As a lawmaker he had a duty to report it to the executive branch. There could be other implications here. The reason why Cantor didn't make it an election issue suggests potential involvement on his part and potentially other GOP lawmakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Cantor's own career could be at risk now... regardless if he made it an election issue or not. As a lawmaker he had a duty to report it to the executive branch. There could be other implications here. The reason why Cantor didn't make it an election issue suggests potential involvement on his part and potentially other GOP lawmakers.
    precisely

    The GOP would be Wise to back up a bit and not pick a fight with the agency. They won't win. Petraeus was expected to run for office in 2016 and be ready to get the nomination by 2020... it's what they were grooming him for.

    DC intrigue...lol. It's never about the sex. The sex is the public excuse to have a spat. The outcome of the spat? keep your eye on that ball.

    Cantor may have taken the Bhengazi conspiracy away from the GOP, by being a heavy handed free wheeling politician who thought procedure meant nothing... in effect. He thinks he is himself...HA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The reason everyone is focused on his sex life --- one simple fact -- Mr. Patraeus was the head of CIA. He made himself open to blackmail. Think about the possibilities.

    What a crock of crap. Think about possibilities? C'mon.
    How again did this information become public? Oh that's right--the "wronged" mistress outed the affair.


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    He referred to the FBI -- you should be glad Cantor did not make it an election issue.
    And how exactly would Mr. Cantor been able to spin this? Please enlighten me and the rest of the readers here. Mr. Cantor will be caught up in the investigation--you can bet your bippy on that. And, it won't help his future leadership ambitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    The GOP would be Wise to back up a bit and not pick a fight with the agency. They won't win. Petraeus was expected to run for office in 2016 and be ready to get the nomination by 2020... it's what they were grooming him for.
    This is the truth. The reason why this wasn't brought up prior to election day is that Petraeus is the GOP's man... and they want him to run for their party in 2016 potentially. It's lovely seeing this backfire on the GOP... just like how the Benghazi spin and political profiteering has backfired on the GOP.

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    ^ Better than lovely.

    It is lip smackingly delicious to see the hetero boys club caught with their boxers down around their ankles again....trying to figure out ways to avoid collateral damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Better than lovely.

    It is lip smackingly delicious to see the hetero boys club caught with their boxers down around their ankles again....trying to figure out ways to avoid collateral damage.
    I believe that also is a Falcon video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Better than lovely.

    It is lip smackingly delicious to see the hetero boys club caught with their boxers down around their ankles again....trying to figure out ways to avoid collateral damage.
    right?

    And they said DOMA and DADT are attacks on traditional relationships....

    Is this the traditions they mean? Sounds like a cheap skinemax production. Lewd and tawdry, and god knows what is happening with the kids from that woman's twin? To think that hetero parenting is so neglectful.

    It's clear they have no respect for the family unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Cantor's own career could be at risk now... As a lawmaker he had a duty to report it to the executive branch.
    Is that duty formalized in the Constitution, federal law, or some other authority?

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    I'm not really clear how Cantor fits into this.

    sounds like a whistle-blower reported to him, he was like "lol, this is none of my business" and went about his day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I'm not really clear how Cantor fits into this.

    sounds like a whistle-blower reported to him, he was like "lol, this is none of my business" and went about his day.
    During one of the most heated presidential campaigns in modern history, he sat on this info as an afterthought or something?

    Yeah... want to buy a bridge I just bought from Al Sharpton? Going cheap.
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    Someone ran to Cantor with this thinking scandal, what happened next is murky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I'm not really clear how Cantor fits into this.

    sounds like a whistle-blower reported to him, he was like "lol, this is none of my business" and went about his day.
    The John Kerry association is weird too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Both clips are funny end to end but the miriad of clips where fox news 'pundits' express outrage over whatever vague conspiracy they cantrive and then Stewart (a comedian mind you) blows up their arguments with their own news broadcast.... amazing....
    It was rather brilliant.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Is that duty formalized in the Constitution, federal law, or some other authority?
    I can't pin it down, either, but it makes sense.

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    Every citizen is complicit in a crime that they witness and do not report.

    Cantor's fingers are all over this, and he had an obligation to his office to report knowledge of any laws broken, or any clear and present danger that the nation may face that they discover as they function in their office. It's clear that this contact happened with Cantor because he's a congressman.

    Why Cantor, as a congressman, decided to keep the secret from President Obama is irrelevant. It was not his call to make.

    It reflects at least, his contempt for the duly elected Two term president of the United States, Barack Obama.

    The answer is in the Oath of office...

    The current oath was enacted in 1884:
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    I don't think the FBI has alleged any broken laws or danger to the nation, though?

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    No that's the bitch of of it. There are no allegations of anything beyond horny straight guys with wives.
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    There were classified documents passed, you will find, or the hand off would not have occurred from humint to Exec.

    Even if not, the problem in the link is when Cantor received the info, and did not pass it on to the general's superior, President Obama. the posibility of being compromised, of others having the info and using the info, demanded that the president take him out of office. Just the way it goes.

    It sucks to be held to that high a bar, but then we only have one CIA director at a time, and if they are vulnerable to outside undue influence to keep their secret, then well.. that's how that world works, and everyone in it knows it.

    So the posibility of illegality was all that was needed to set off the bells and whistles. Cantor didn't set them off. He is smart enough to know that inaction is as complicit as participation, when you are talking about keeping secrets of and about the CIA director from the president.
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    The reason Cantor was involved is the FBI weenie contacted his representative who then told him to call Cantor.

    Well before the election mind you. Republicans thought it better to sit on this one and not have yet another republican scandal before an election. Probably figured it would remind voters of the Bush years.
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    Blaming Cantor is like blaming Repubs for Benghazi

    not that he isn't a weasel

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    Not Blaming Cantor for anything more than failure and incompetence. But republican inability to get anything done is well documented so that is rather redundant to say republican and failure. It does seem a bit odd the Congress is bitching they were not told in a timely manner yet one of them knew and was keeping it from others....
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    not that it will sway anyone who already hates the guy, but Cantor released a statement:

    “I received information from an individual that I had not known before, did not know. The information that was sent to me sounded as if there was potential for a national security vulnerability,” the Virginia Republican said. “I had no way of corroborating the story that I was told and felt that the best thing to do at the time was not to politicize it but to put national security first.”

    The New York Times first reported that Cantor learned of the affair in late October and his chief of staff Steve Stombres spoke to FBI officials about the situation.

    “I turned to Director [Robert] Mueller's office to ask them to do their job and assume that the FBI would comply with its obligations to keep us on the Hill informed once it determined whether an investigation was necessary or a crime had been committed," Cantor said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    No that's the bitch of of it. There are no allegations of anything beyond horny straight guys with wives.
    Well, he did resign without being asked to.

    And, he did the "drop box" communication trick like any innocent and guilt-free person would do.

    I have problems with the FBI checking someone's e-mails and then forcing them to resign. I also have problems with the ex-head of the military having sex under a desk with a slutty, so-called biographer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Blaming Cantor is like blaming Repubs for Benghazi

    not that he isn't a weasel
    Oh but I blame republicans for trying to score political points off Benghazi, but that's an entirely different thread.

    What Cantor did was not report a potential crime that was happening and that could have potentially damaged US intelligence, thus putting US Forces at risk. Eric Cantor at this point should be removed from office. Sorry chance, but this whole issue backfired on the GOP... once again.

    The CIA was potentially compromised and Cantor didn't tell the executive branch. I'm sorry but that is potential malfeasance.

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    i think john mccain being a whiny bitch is a bigger story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    i think john mccain being a whiny bitch is a bigger story.
    Whiny Bitch? that's kind of you.

    he's so busy sucking Lindsay Graham's cock that he burps cumm whenever he comes up for air in front of the media. The guy is pathetic. His depends show when he walks up to the press podium.

    I have squirrels in my yard that are more intelligent and honest than this guy, and my dog STILL tries to kill them.

    If that old scabby bastard tried to talk about my dog the way he's lied, I would sue him into next year. He needs to go suck some more cash out of that butt ass ugly cunty wife of his.

    Sorry.

    I said wife... I meant McCains campaign money dispenser.

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    Reverend Al last night on his show did a segment on how Faux news bobble heads are comparing this and the related Benghazi (sp?) attack "scandals" to two of the country's most famous REPUBLICAN coverups--Watergate and WMD/9/11.

    You just can't make this stuff up.

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    I again am asking WHAT is being covered up...lol... republicans still havent said... in each of those other instances it was quite clear what crime was committed.
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    I can't remember a time when the Faux news folks let the facts get in the way of their "news" stories.

    Do you think they have any idea what they are saying? They can't be that stupid, can they? I would be curious to know what these "newscasters" are paid to act out and play simple stupid. Their cue cards must give them instructions on how to act outraged when they are saying outrageous things.

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