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    Tony Perkins of the FRC warns Supreme Court to hold up DOMA or else.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2012/11/perkinsmarriage.html

    That's right,the same man who said groups like the SPLC and other groups who oppose his hateful views and have pointed out them out caused the shooting at his place is more or less calling for government overthrow if the Supreme Court dares to rule that gays and lesbians have equal rights under the Federal Government.
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    Since when does the SCOTUS answer to a psychotic Bible wanker? I'll bet he's taken it up the back-door a
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    Tony Perkins is not just a loud mouth, unfortunately. He is the SOLE author of ALL the anti-gay bigotry in the latest GOP party platform, and singlehandedly negated all of LCR's feeble attempts at toning it down.
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    Wow what a mentally depraved group of people the right has stoked into a fervor.

    I actually listened to two coworkers talking about buying ammo. So i joked and said "yep gotta get it all bought up before the world ends" -- I stress I joked that and they nodded as if I had remarked the sky was blue.

    I proceeded to tell them the only reason prices go up is because rampant hoards of racist rednecks buy up the ammo after a black man wins the top job. It happened in 2008 and dropped back down in 2009 and guess what Obama didnt change a single solitary law or access to weapons in the US.

    SO then they proceed to tell me the fiscal cliff is going to occur and chaos will ensue everywhere.... I patiently explained that it isnt going to happen most likely... if it does it will be a slow hill rather than a cliff and something will come in to replace it long before we hit bottom.. They were convinced it was a snap event that would cause riots and chaos throughout.....

    I hafta add that these were civilian co-workers not military folks.

    All that may seem off topic BUT the point is those folks became convinced of that message somehow. It wasn't through normal media sources either. I know I voraciously watch them all often.

    We need to do something in this country about folks claiming riots and chaos when they argue a point. It is contrary to good conduct and the well being of most citizens to incite folks to violence.
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    Re: Tony Perkins of the FRC warns Supreme Court to hold up DOMA or else.

    SCOTUS: "Tony you have no power here, and no cards to play. Now get the fuck out before somebody drops a house on you."

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    Re: Tony Perkins of the FRC warns Supreme Court to hold up DOMA or else.

    If he or any of his supporters do anything violent, I'm sure prison will be a great place for them. This is a civilized country... at least it is supposed to be...

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    Maybe Scalia or Alito will go hunting with Dick Cheney. Then, DOMA will be sure to be struck down.

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    Re: Tony Perkins of the FRC warns Supreme Court to hold up DOMA or else.

    One big reason Republicans lost was that the hard right does not appeal to most Americans. Most recent poll held on Election Day had 35% leaning conservative, 25% liberal and MOST importantly, 41% centrist. Republicans can never gain a lasting majority being so culturally ultra conservative( reactionary, really). Nutjobs on the far right like the FRC and their leader Perkins only doom their party in the long run and whatever my problems with the Democrats I will vote Libertarian or other third party as I did Election Day than ever punch a vote for the GOP in this climate.
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    The fact the Republicians have to have their candidates approved by Tony Perkins and his ilk is the exact reason they lost. The landscape has changed a lot from the 1950's and even from 2004.
    Far right wing extermists are going to be seen as just that.

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    Re: Tony Perkins of the FRC warns Supreme Court to hold up DOMA or else.

    Let him and the fundie Christians riot and I will not hesitate to blow them away.

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    Let him and the fundie Christians riot and I will not hesitate to blow them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Wow what a mentally depraved group of people the right has stoked into a fervor.

    I actually listened to two coworkers talking about buying ammo. So i joked and said "yep gotta get it all bought up before the world ends" -- I stress I joked that and they nodded as if I had remarked the sky was blue.

    I proceeded to tell them the only reason prices go up is because rampant hoards of racist rednecks buy up the ammo after a black man wins the top job. It happened in 2008 and dropped back down in 2009 and guess what Obama didnt change a single solitary law or access to weapons in the US.

    SO then they proceed to tell me the fiscal cliff is going to occur and chaos will ensue everywhere.... I patiently explained that it isnt going to happen most likely... if it does it will be a slow hill rather than a cliff and something will come in to replace it long before we hit bottom.. They were convinced it was a snap event that would cause riots and chaos throughout.....

    I hafta add that these were civilian co-workers not military folks.

    All that may seem off topic BUT the point is those folks became convinced of that message somehow. It wasn't through normal media sources either. I know I voraciously watch them all often.

    We need to do something in this country about folks claiming riots and chaos when they argue a point. It is contrary to good conduct and the well being of most citizens to incite folks to violence.
    I'm glad I've retired and don't get around these kind of people, (that's keeping it clean.)
    But I'd think there would be some kind of law on the books now, like some made after 9-11. Terrorist threats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    ooooh girl! Talk macho to me.
    They don't know me, if they come rioting and trying to start a revolution I'll send them to meet their deranged god. Plus my best friend has guns out the wazoo that he would let me borrow. As I have said before in more civilized times we would throw people like this to lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I'm glad I've retired and don't get around these kind of people, (that's keeping it clean.)
    But I'd think there would be some kind of law on the books now, like some made after 9-11. Terrorist threats?
    No I dont think you get it. My co-workers who are not in the military were scared shitless and bought into the hype that the fiscal cliff would cause a massive destabilization of America.... They didnt even understand fiscal cliff implications or what was included in the term....

    Just more Glenn Beck / Limbaugh / Oreilly reactionaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    SCOTUS: "Tony you have no power here, and no cards to play. Now get the fuck out before somebody drops a house on you."

    Ah I wish I could agree. These groups are dangerous and very powerful with inflow of funding hidden away funding under obscure names. They are the American Taliban with out fail

    please do not under estimate groups such as Perkins. It would be a big mistake. They own the cons and the pug party.

    The pugs are slaves to the dollar bill, as are we all but they smile when they lick the wet pissed soaked tail that feeds them brine and shit, and that is there ledger

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    but they smile when they lick the wet pissed soaked tail that feeds them brine and shit, and that is there ledger

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    Re: Tony Perkins of the FRC warns Supreme Court to hold up DOMA or else.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I actually listened to two coworkers talking about buying ammo. So i joked and said "yep gotta get it all bought up before the world ends" -- I stress I joked that and they nodded as if I had remarked the sky was blue.

    I proceeded to tell them the only reason prices go up is because rampant hoards of racist rednecks buy up the ammo after a black man wins the top job.
    Good catch, good response!!! You forgot to mention that not only has Obama done nothing to restrict firearms, but he actually made it possible for people to carry while on federal land (and I'm thinking he did something else which expanded firearm rights, but I can't remember what the other thing was). Does that really sound like a President who is coming to take everybody's guns away?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The fact the Republicians have to have their candidates approved by Tony Perkins and his ilk is the exact reason they lost. The landscape has changed a lot from the 1950's and even from 2004.
    Far right wing extermists are going to be seen as just that.
    Things certainly HAVE changed since 2004. Ballot measures which were designed to expand rights to LGBT (which was, in those days, limited to Civil Unions when presented statewide), or to take rights AWAY (with antigay Constitutional Amendments, etc.) were GUARANTEED to bring the social conservatives and Republicans out of the woodwork in hordes, and also assure that the state was VERY likely to vote for the Republican Presidential candidate. Ohio's 2004 ballot measure, combined with rampant and wholesale election fraud by Secretary of State Ted(?) Blackwell, tipped the state to George W. Bush. The state would have gone for Kerry if not for both factors happening.

    The results of 2004 and 2012 couldn't have been more opposite, not at all...ALL FOUR of the states with ballot measures regarding gay civil rights passed them AND voted for the incumbent President this year.
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    Perkins' followers will assure us all that he's 'speaking prophetically', not issuing threats. Unfortunately, many will react as though it's prophetic "guidance", and be more willing to join such a revolt.

    He's an antichrist, pure and simple, exalting law and punishment over love and gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    No I dont think you get it. My co-workers who are not in the military were scared shitless and bought into the hype that the fiscal cliff would cause a massive destabilization of America.... They didnt even understand fiscal cliff implications or what was included in the term....

    Just more Glenn Beck / Limbaugh / Oreilly reactionaries.
    No, I got that, I was talking about Tony Perkins.
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    Guys here don't get it. Americans are being sold a bill of goods by left wingers AND right wingers. Most Americans don't desire radical social change imposed by either. The Republicans are more cohesively tied down to the ideologues but the Dems have their progressive wing frothing sat the mouth to remake America in their own right. For now I stay affiliated with the Democrats as they still have a semblance of pragmatic centrists-old style moderate liberals but rejecting either party in the election returns does not mean an endorsement of going full steam ahead in the other direction.[Text: Removed by Moderator] NOT a personal attack but criticism of the "Crossfire" style left-right, no grey shades allowed hyperpartisan manure we see all too often here in their perspectives.
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    Well, I'm sure we'll all look to you as an example of a higher state of consciousness and ability to be fair and balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Guys here don't get it. Americans are being sold a bill of goods by left wingers AND right wingers. Most Americans don't desire radical social change imposed by either.
    Who are the left wingers in this country? Obama isn't one. And there are social changes being made regardless. Three states... says it all really. A 4th rejected a same sex marriage ban.

    [Quoted Text: Removed by Moderator]
    [Text: Removed by Moderator] I'm probably the most left wing person on this forum, but I am neither dogmatic or myopic. And I have seen in your posts a sense of faux neutrality and trying to say "everybody is bad"... no I'm sorry, but the left and right are not the same. The right wing operates without common sense.

    Also, personally attacking posters on here won't get one anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    No, I got that, I was talking about Tony Perkins.
    Oh ok ...lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Guys here don't get it. Americans are being sold a bill of goods by left wingers AND right wingers. Most Americans don't desire radical social change imposed by either. The Republicans are more cohesively tied down to the ideologues but the Dems have their progressive wing frothing sat the mouth to remake America in their own right. For now I stay affiliated with the Democrats as they still have a semblance of pragmatic centrists-old style moderate liberals but rejecting either party in the election returns does not mean an endorsement of going full steam ahead in the other direction.[Text: Removed by Moderator] NOT a personal attack but criticism of the "Crossfire" style left-right, no grey shades allowed hyperpartisan manure we see all too often here in their perspectives.
    I am vehemently in support of who i think should win. Luke warm people who neither take a position nor offer anything else to consider are the other 70% of the American people who don't vote or cause anything to occur.

    The best way i saw the comparison after this was the arrogance of the right to run a wall street crony after our entire way of life was decimated by those greedy fucks. Can you imagine The chairman of Dupont running against FDR in '32? Of course you cant because it would be ridiculous. Except because of manufactured truth it wasn't ridiculous to many of you.

    The right wing is constructing information and selling it to those gullible enough to buy it. Obama if anything is a socially liberal conservative. He is what the republican party should have evolved into not a bunch of angry white guys who have to play on fear and racism to get elected.

    Left leaning.... lol. Do you even have any idea what left is?
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    I don't care whether Americans want social change in any direction. All I care is that I want everyone to be treated equally under the law, and for Christians to keep their morals out of other people's life. If that's an "agenda", so be it.
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    I would just like to declare once again that I am one of the most fiscally conservative, socially liberal posters on the forum.

    But part of my fiscal conservatism includes everyone, including the richest and the corporations paying their fair share in order to create a 'Just' society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    No I dont think you get it. My co-workers who are not in the military were scared shitless and bought into the hype that the fiscal cliff would cause a massive destabilization of America.... They didnt even understand fiscal cliff implications or what was included in the term....

    Just more Glenn Beck / Limbaugh / Oreilly reactionaries.
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    Oh ok ...lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I don't care whether Americans want social change in any direction. All I care is that I want everyone to be treated equally under the law, and for Christians to keep their morals out of other people's life. If that's an "agenda", so be it.
    If they were actually Christian morals, we should all cheer -- love, peace, hospitality, generosity, neighborliness, patience, steadfastness, kindness, dependability, mercy, and the rest never go out of style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I would just like to declare once again that I am one of the most fiscally conservative, socially liberal posters on the forum.

    But part of my fiscal conservatism includes everyone, including the richest and the corporations paying their fair share in order to create a 'Just' society.
    This brings to mind a distinction within conservatism, back when conservatives were serious thinkers and the Republican party respected them: individualistic v. corporate conservatism. The latter doesn't mean what it commonly does today, i.e. conservatism that favors corporations as some holy manifestation of human activity, but a conservative outlook that treated the country as a body of the whole, thus "corporate". To avoid confusion, I'll refer to that as "community conservatism".

    Today's GOP, when they're conservatives at all, are individualistic conservatives, holding any common links between people in the country as essentially irrelevant. It's a sort of atomistic approach, treating individuals as totally isolated units with no substantial or essential connection. What happens to individuals is not of importance to anyone but themselves; it's certainly not considered a concern of the body politic. The truly odd thing about this approach to conservatism is that it is functionally identical to social Darwinism, which holds that it is actually of benefit to a society and the race to let those who don't succeed in terms of goods and wealth die off.

    Community conservatism holds that for the good of the society/nation to be served, those on the bottom have to be cared for and helped, not out of any sense of compassion, but because it provides the best outcome for the whole, i.e it conserves the resources and energy and potential of the society better than neglecting them. Individuals in this view are a resource along with any other, besides being members of the community/nation. This brand of conservatism is branded by the GOP these days as socialism, though it is far from it. OTOH it shares the same motivation as that which turns many today to socialism: pragmatism.

    Ironically, this is also the brand of conservatism which built the modern Republican party. Republicans were for a generation the party of civil rights, because on a pragmatic level civil rights improved the outcome for the whole. They were the party of heavy government investment in infrastructure, for the same reason. In both cases, the goal is maximizing the potential of the society as a whole -- i.e., conserving the potential by not wasting it. But the individualistic view has taken over, so the GOP no longer gives any care for anything but the maximization of possibilities for the few.

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