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    How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    I have seen this point numerous times. The majority of people say the country is moving in the wrong direction, the Republicans MUST win. But Many of the people who say this don't understand how much Obama has disappointed some parts of the left.

    Look at Obamacare. A majority disapproves. Have you seen the talking points on the REALLY left-wing websites? There are sentiments like:"Obama pissed away our once-in-a-generation chance for health care reform with a REPUBLICAN plan WITHOUT even a public option? Obamacare is worse than nothing because it was actually a step in the wrong direction, away from universal health care!" These people hate Obamacare just like most Republicans, but they sure as hell were never going to vote for Romney, who (they think) wants to privatize Medicare.

    Many of the same people have a generally negative view of the President in that they think he is a Reagan Republican disguised as a Democrat. They think of him as the most right-wing Democrat in their lives, waging drone wars and not closing Guantanamo, bailing out Wall Street, abandoning environmental issues and capitulating to the Republicans about the Bush tax cuts. But Mitt Romney is basically the Anti-Christ, representing the worst the Republicans can offer, with more deregulation, more tax cuts for the rich, tax raises for the poor and slashing social spending while increasing the military budget. They show up in the statistics as dissatisfied with Obama, but most held their nose and voted for him, because the alternative was too terrible to contemplate.

    And lastly, the lack of empathy on the right is astounding. It is one thing to be totally against a candidate so you would never ever consider voting for him, but assuming that the whole country shares your sentiment and thus dismissing the polls because they don't fit with your "reality" is the height of arrogance.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    The reason for this is the American people also said they trust Obama on the economy equally as Mitt Romney (it was like 50/50) and they trust him more on other issues (like caring for the middle class). The US may be going in the wrong direction, but people put a lot of blame on the Congress and not the President.

    As far as Obamacare, it's really only 50/50. Some actually say it doesn't go far enough. I am one of those who say it doesn't go far enough. Obaamcare is better than nothing. Most left wingers I know say it's inadequate, but it's still somewhat of a step in the right direction. And sometimes with these things you have to take baby steps.

    I don't know many who view Obama as a Reagan Republican in disguise... he's really nothing of th sort. Obama has showed levels of moderate politics... some things I don't agree with him on as I am a leftist, but overall he has my approval. He's being held back on many things because he had to focus on re-election. As far as environmental issues though, I don't see the abandonment. The democrats have opposed the Keystone pipeline and Obama has waned our dependence on petroleum.

    So while I get what you're saying, I can't say I agree with it. Most people are pissed off at Congress... and the republican controlled House for stalling everything. Boehner will need to change his attitude. The people stand behind the President.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    A slight majority of the country may say we're on the wrong track, but that slight majority doesn't agree with itself about what that track is. Both sides only agree that the other side's "track," is even "wronger."

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Many republicans didn't like Romney so they stayed home and didn't vote -- they let Obama win.

    What those people who didn't vote missed is that a bad Romney is much better than a bad Obama.

    Romney is a moderate. He's not an ideologue like Obama. I think he probably would have made a good President for all people instead of just the new free benefit society that the USA is morphing into. Obama's plan was to divide and conquer -- that's what he'll do the next four years.

    America will be a new country in 4 years. As a citizen of Germany, don't look for America to have your back in the future.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    As a citizen of Germany, don't look for America to have your back in the future.
    Germany is a social democracy, with universal health care, gay civil unions, worker protections, and extreme environmentalism.

    It is the kind of society that you Republicans despise.

    Yet, you Republicans tell Germans that we won't "have your back in the future." Why? Because we may be more like them?

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Whine whine whine.

    Romney would have been a president for all the people for sure. All the rich white male people.
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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tengilethos View Post
    And lastly, the lack of empathy on the right is astounding. It is one thing to be totally against a candidate so you would never ever consider voting for him, but assuming that the whole country shares your sentiment and thus dismissing the polls because they don't fit with your "reality" is the height of arrogance.
    You are correct the country has been manipulated into the idea that healthcare for everyone is bad.

    However the main idea here is that they had no viable candidate to run against Obama. The opposite vote was against Obama. Not for Romney. That is key. Until the republican party comes back to the middle on their social policy they will continue to field irrelevant candidates for national office and they will lose. When the opposite vote is against the candidate versus for your own candidate then you have no faith in your party.
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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?


    Look at Obamacare. A majority disapproves. Have you seen the talking points on the REALLY left-wing websites? There are sentiments like:"Obama pissed away our once-in-a-generation chance for health care reform with a REPUBLICAN plan WITHOUT even a public option? Obamacare is worse than nothing because it was actually a step in the wrong direction, away from universal health care!" These people hate Obamacare just like most Republicans, but they sure as hell were never going to vote for Romney, who (they think) wants to privatize Medicare.

    Many of the same people have a generally negative view of the President in that they think he is a Reagan Republican disguised as a Democrat. They think of him as the most right-wing Democrat in their lives, waging drone wars and not closing Guantanamo, bailing out Wall Street, abandoning environmental issues and capitulating to the Republicans about the Bush tax cuts. But Mitt Romney is basically the Anti-Christ, representing the worst the Republicans can offer, with more deregulation, more tax cuts for the rich, tax raises for the poor and slashing social spending while increasing the military budget. They show up in the statistics as dissatisfied with Obama, but most held their nose and voted for him, because the alternative was too terrible to contemplate.


    It is true about the far left...I am one of them and I was extremely disappointed with Obama...he was the last Democrat for me in 2008 (even one Republican was above him) on the various match the candidates with your POV quizes...Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were my only choices from either of the major parties...everyone else was a vote against someone rather than a vote for someone. I did have to plug my nose to vote for him in 2008 and funny thing was I would have voted for Nader had Sarah Palin not shown up...she is the far left's worst nightmare.

    I have no doubt Obama's move to endorse SSM had everything to do with energizing his liberal base because frankly before his endorsement it was NOT a sealed deal and without us he had no chance and one of his strategists figured that out. He is an excellent politician and has some brilliant strategists at his disposal. It wouldn't matter if I was gay or not...I pretty much am militant about three things.... protecting the environment... a woman's right to choose what happens with her body...and equality under the law for everyone (which includes marriage equality)...and like alot of far left liberals...these things are not negotiable.

    His healthcare plan is the original Republican Plan...I hate it because there is no Public Option. I also think he is a Reaganesque Republicrat and still do.....but he delivers on the three things that are not negotiable for me and for that reason I was happy to vote for him.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Look at Congressional approval ratings. People were smart enough to know that it's Congress that's truly at fault.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    The Republicians thought they could just nominate anyone and the public would hate OBama so much that they would vote for him/her.
    They thought wrong. As to why Romney got the nod,it's because while people like Rick Perry and Rick Santorum met the approval of the religious right,the GOP realized that there was no chance in hell either of them would win any of the swing states.
    ANd it appears they haven't learned anything. The state level is one thing but as long as the GOP continues to be held hostage by the religious reich,they will NOT be doing as well nationally.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    That plus like did anyone think Secession Perry had a snowball's chance in hell - even before he was drunk on the TV.
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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Germany is a social democracy, with universal health care, gay civil unions, worker protections, and extreme environmentalism.

    It is the kind of society that you Republicans despise.

    Yet, you Republicans tell Germans that we won't "have your back in the future." Why? Because we may be more like them?
    To be fair, Obama has been dubbed the first "Pacific President" and has spent much more focus on said Pacific Rim than any other president. Obama is about to make history by being the first President ever to visit Burma/Myanmar. Obama has pretty much snubbed much of the EU and is doing his best to isolate them and their own systemic economic problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Many republicans didn't like Romney so they stayed home and didn't vote -- they let Obama win.
    Oh puh-leaze. Many republicans hated Obama enough they would have voted for anyone but him. It's the common attitude among them.

    What those people who didn't vote missed is that a bad Romney is much better than a bad Obama.
    A bad Obama? WHat's a bad Obama? Obama has done a good job leading this country. A vote for Romney goes up against everything this country stands for.

    Romney is a moderate. He's not an ideologue like Obama. I think he probably would have made a good President for all people instead of just the new free benefit society that the USA is morphing into. Obama's plan was to divide and conquer -- that's what he'll do the next four years.
    Wrong. Romney is not a moderate and he didn't even try to paint himself as such. And Obama has presented the ideals that many Americans believe in. It's not a free benefit anything. That's just pure whining. Obama's plan is to bridge the gaps between this country and continue the many consecutive months of job growth. Maybe businesses will start hiring and republicans can allow

    One can whine all they want about how Obama isn't a moderate when the past four years clearly demonstrates that he is. Romney didn't connect with the people and was in his ivory tower the whole time... and his VP candidate pick of Paul Ryan didn't help his so called "moderate" status. Paul Ryan is an extremist even condemned by the Catholic Church as his tax plan was draconian. Romney and Ryan remind me of the French monarchy prior to the French revolution... and both had their "let them eat cake" moments.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Many republicans didn't like Romney so they stayed home and didn't vote -- they let Obama win.

    What those people who didn't vote missed is that a bad Romney is much better than a bad Obama.

    Romney is a moderate. He's not an ideologue like Obama. I think he probably would have made a good President for all people instead of just the new free benefit society that the USA is morphing into. Obama's plan was to divide and conquer -- that's what he'll do the next four years.

    America will be a new country in 4 years. As a citizen of Germany, don't look for America to have your back in the future.
    All false. Obama is not an ideologue, if he were, he wouldn't have use a REPUBLICAN idea to pass healthcare reform.

    Just mad that Romney missed a huge opportunity more likely.
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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh puh-leaze. Many republicans hated Obama enough they would have voted for anyone but him. It's the common attitude among them.



    A bad Obama? WHat's a bad Obama? Obama has done a good job leading this country. A vote for Romney goes up against everything this country stands for.



    Wrong. Romney is not a moderate and he didn't even try to paint himself as such. And Obama has presented the ideals that many Americans believe in. It's not a free benefit anything. That's just pure whining. Obama's plan is to bridge the gaps between this country and continue the many consecutive months of job growth. Maybe businesses will start hiring and republicans can allow

    One can whine all they want about how Obama isn't a moderate when the past four years clearly demonstrates that he is. Romney didn't connect with the people and was in his ivory tower the whole time... and his VP candidate pick of Paul Ryan didn't help his so called "moderate" status. Paul Ryan is an extremist even condemned by the Catholic Church as his tax plan was draconian. Romney and Ryan remind me of the French monarchy prior to the French revolution... and both had their "let them eat cake" moments.
    You are saying that Obama is a moderate?

    You are funny.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    All false. Obama is not an ideologue, if he were, he wouldn't have use a REPUBLICAN idea to pass healthcare reform.

    Just mad that Romney missed a huge opportunity more likely.
    Ideologue: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

    http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideologue

    ... and you're saying Obama is not an ideologue


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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tengilethos View Post
    I have seen this point numerous times. The majority of people say the country is moving in the wrong direction, the Republicans MUST win. But Many of the people who say this don't understand how much Obama has disappointed some parts of the left.

    Look at Obamacare. A majority disapproves. Have you seen the talking points on the REALLY left-wing websites? There are sentiments like:"Obama pissed away our once-in-a-generation chance for health care reform with a REPUBLICAN plan WITHOUT even a public option? Obamacare is worse than nothing because it was actually a step in the wrong direction, away from universal health care!" These people hate Obamacare just like most Republicans, but they sure as hell were never going to vote for Romney, who (they think) wants to privatize Medicare.

    Many of the same people have a generally negative view of the President in that they think he is a Reagan Republican disguised as a Democrat. They think of him as the most right-wing Democrat in their lives, waging drone wars and not closing Guantanamo, bailing out Wall Street, abandoning environmental issues and capitulating to the Republicans about the Bush tax cuts. But Mitt Romney is basically the Anti-Christ, representing the worst the Republicans can offer, with more deregulation, more tax cuts for the rich, tax raises for the poor and slashing social spending while increasing the military budget. They show up in the statistics as dissatisfied with Obama, but most held their nose and voted for him, because the alternative was too terrible to contemplate.

    And lastly, the lack of empathy on the right is astounding. It is one thing to be totally against a candidate so you would never ever consider voting for him, but assuming that the whole country shares your sentiment and thus dismissing the polls because they don't fit with your "reality" is the height of arrogance.
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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    I am a liberal Democrat and don't agree with Obama all the time. I believe that compromise and consensus is a far better model to adopt than the current entrenched mode that some elected officials are practicing. Revamp the text code to be fairer to all, reduce the deficit, reduce spending on foreign aid and the military, spend money on rebuilding the infrastructure and reinvest in America. We may have a superior military but we shouldn't police the world. Other countries need to get more involved in helping to resolve conflicts. We still have ties to Europe but Asia is a very big market too so we must focus attention there as in Europe. We can't forget the other countries of the Americas or countries of Africa. We are a country of many nationalities, religions, beliefs, interests and experiences and those individuals shape or reshape our view of the world.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Look at Congressional approval ratings. People were smart enough to know that it's Congress that's truly at fault.
    Except they re-elected most of the people up for re-election.

    Insanity.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Yeah, that one was awkward...
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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You are saying that Obama is a moderate?

    You are funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Ideologue: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

    http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideologue

    ... and you're saying Obama is not an ideologue

    The facts are against you on both of these. Obama has been an Eisenhower Republican with a dash of Clinton Democrat, taking most of his legislative ideas from the GOP... only to have them voted down or otherwise blocked by Republican obstructionists.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Which is why he isn't universally loved on the Left.
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    You are saying that Obama is a moderate?

    You are funny.
    How is he not a moderate?

    Calling Romney a moderate is ridiculous. Romney is not a moderate at all. And his record shows that. And he chose an extremist to run as VP... or President... even Romney couldn't remember what position Paul Ryan was running for.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    How is he not a moderate?

    Calling Romney a moderate is ridiculous. Romney is not a moderate at all. And his record shows that. And he chose an extremist to run as VP... or President... even Romney couldn't remember what position Paul Ryan was running for.
    Mathematically, the difference between Obama and Romney is that Obama is an ellipse with all the constants in his equation falling in single digits, while Romney is an indeterminate function with no set constants or exponents.

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    Re: How could Obama win when 55% say the USA is on the wrong track?

    If 55% think that the USA is on the wrong track, some of those people didn't want to vote for the R-R (Rolls-Royce) ticket which would have toppled the USA into the deep canyon nearby, making it unlikely that the "train" could ever get back on the tracks again (not even the wrong tracks).
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