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    What do we expect now?

    According to all the networks, Romney via concession speech, and Obama with a "let's all pull together" visionary victory speech, Obama doesn't have to move back to his fancy Chicago house and Romney won't be putting anything on the roof of his car for a move to the White House.

    And according to all the numbers, Congress won't be much different.


    So what do we expect now? Will Congress get its act together and actually govern? Will the Republicans heed Romney's call to work together to get things done? Or will it just be more of the same?

    Now with reference to the past only to explain your position, how do you answer the question?


    For my part, I'm hoping Obama grows a pair of balls and leans on the Republicans to actually deal with the economy and the deficit. I don't expect him to do the least thing to enhance liberty by toning down the police state, but I can hope anyway.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I think... republicans will be forced to come to the table in the realization that the US is changing demographically and republicans will continue to be punished. Republicans thought they were riding high from their 2010 midterm victories, but they were pegged back big time tonight. I hope Obama and the Congress can get several small jobs pass that would create millions of jobs and help lower unemployment further. If this is done, instead of say 150,000 jobs being created each month in this country... 250,000 or 300,000 would be created.

    Maybe I'm just an optimist.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Nothing. Obama's win was too small for him to have a mandate, and republicans in congress don't care about the outcome. (though expect that to change before 2014) Further, if you look at the exit polls, Obama's base of support actually eroded significantly, so he won't try anything big during his second term.

    Basically, the parties spent $6 billion dollars for an election that changed nothing at all.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    His base of support eroded significantly? Not entirely. And significantly more minorities got out to vote. 4 million more Latinos, and 72% of all Latinos voted for Obama. This was a mandate enough for him to do what he needs.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I don't think things will change in Washington. Both parties are fundamentally the same, despite the constant false hyperdrama our television soap operas convey.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I have never bought the "both parties are the same". That they haven't changed from yesterday is of course true, but they DO change, and they ARE different. The GOP was NOT the party of the phobic religious right until a decade or two ago, and the Democrats were definitely NOT the pro-gay unicorns of today until a few short years ago. Let's not forget it was a Democrat president who allowed (if unenthusiastically) DOMA to happen.

    That said, I like to be more optimistic. Sure, congress will keep acting like a malicious child, but in the end, half of their reason for obstructing the president - winning the election - is no longer valid. They still win if the Democrats don't look good, but I think this election WILL serve as a sobering slap on the cheek for at least some of them.

    The GOP needs to change, and it will. Whether it will happen while this Congress is in place, or not, who knows? But I believe change will at least begin tentatively.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and say I expect we'll get a jobs bill for small businesses, probably just a rewrite of what the Republicans killed this time. It's something everyone wants, and if Obama will use the bully pulpit and really fire up the public about the issue, it will pass. Mostly it will pass, though, because the previous legislation he backed was Republican at heart, so it won't be hard to get Republican voters to lean on their congresscritters.

    But for the budget... I have little hope.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Hopefully Obama finds his balls...and doesn't govern like he's afraid of the mid-terms the way that the Party restricted him in the run-up to 2010 and of course 2012.

    And now, hopefully on this board, we can start to have more respectful and meaningful discussions about US domestic and international affairs issues without the naked Obama hate, race baiting and mooting of ridiculous and disrespectful issues like birth certificates.

    My expectation for the legislative branch?

    More of the same. More of the bankrupt and corrupt shuffling around the Capitol....putting the nation's business behind their own venal lusts.

    For the Judiciary?

    Hopefully the opportunity for Obama to place an indelible imprint on the Court and save the US from the wrong headed, politically and religiously based interpretations by Scalia, Clarence and Alito.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Does Obama own the economy now?

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    No.

    Obama and the Congress and the Senate and the private sector own the economy now.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    What I expected. No responsibility.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    It comes down to whether Boehner wants to play nice with Obama. I get the feeling that the GOP senators will be more willing to work across the aisle. I personally feel any more obstructionism by the GOP will just hurt them more and Democrats would make inroads to take back the house in 2014.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What I expected. No responsibility.

    No.

    What you fail to accept. Shared responsibility.

    No president 'owns' the economy of the USA. This has always been a ridiculous assumption that some people make on both the right and the left. The President just isn't all that powerful...as we've seen time and again as legislatures block and destroy bills that would benefit the greatest numbers of people.

    The executive branch can provide direction, but as long as you continue to have pork barrelling legislators on both sides of the aisle refusing to give an inch....there is no way forward.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Hopefully Obama finds his balls...and doesn't govern like he's afraid of the mid-terms the way that the Party restricted him in the run-up to 2010 and of course 2012.

    And now, hopefully on this board, we can start to have more respectful and meaningful discussions about US domestic and international affairs issues without the naked Obama hate, race baiting and mooting of ridiculous and disrespectful issues like birth certificates.

    My expectation for the legislative branch?

    More of the same. More of the bankrupt and corrupt shuffling around the Capitol....putting the nation's business behind their own venal lusts.

    For the Judiciary?

    Hopefully the opportunity for Obama to place an indelible imprint on the Court and save the US from the wrong headed, politically and religiously based interpretations by Scalia, Clarence and Alito.
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    And absurdity

    As it relates to CE+P

    Obama hatred on CE+P is a myth past present and hopefully future

    Despite the limp protestations by some

    I would expect Republicans to show more willingness to trade revenue for costs

    But the Pres. Should and will IMO set the tone

    He should and will want accomplishments and good for the citizens not his base

    Election is over

    Time for real stuff

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I expect a repeat of the last 2 years, with Congress continuing to be dysfunctional and the Obama administration continuing to not know how to manhandle the GOP, unless Congress switches hands in 2014.

    at least Ginsberg won't be replaced by a conservative when she steps down from the bench.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    They publicly vowed to make him a one term President four years ago..this was the primary goal of the Repuks in Congress. Say NO to everything is certainly not going to work this time. They can minsinform and manipulate and lie to people all day long for the next four years but that didn't out didn't work out very well for them either the past four years.

    Worst case scenario..they can also embody Einstein's definition of insanity...Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    I noticed in the last two weeks they were embracing and spreading the lie that they were "working with both sides of the aisile"...everyone from Mitt to Michelle Crazy Eyes Bachmann...it was a lie of course but for all of our sakes hopefully they meant it and indicates a new course of action. If they want to remain relevant they have no choice really.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I expect a repeat of the last 2 years, with Congress continuing to be dysfunctional and the Obama administration continuing to not know how to manhandle the GOP, unless Congress switches hands in 2014.

    at least Ginsberg won't be replaced by a conservative when she steps down from the bench.

    Yes and thank God for that.

    The real pity is that Scalia and Thomas are likely to still be in place 4 years from now.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    No.

    What you fail to accept. Shared responsibility.

    No president 'owns' the economy of the USA. This has always been a ridiculous assumption that some people make on both the right and the left. The President just isn't all that powerful...as we've seen time and again as legislatures block and destroy bills that would benefit the greatest numbers of people.

    The executive branch can provide direction, but as long as you continue to have pork barrelling legislators on both sides of the aisle refusing to give an inch....there is no way forward.
    Obama now has full responsibility. He has no choice but to lead now - if he's a real leader like most of you here say he is he'll be able to "control" both houses.

    The ship goes up or down with him at the helm.

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    as long as Rush Limbaugh, Fox, Rove and the Teabaggers stir up seperation and hatred- nothing will change...Obama needs to put the kind of effort he put forward in getting out the vote this year in 2014- he didn't do anything in 2010....perhaps a majority his last 2 years will see some real progress.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama now has full responsibility. He has no choice but to lead now - if he's a real leader like most of you here say he is he'll be able to "control" both houses.

    The ship goes up or down with him at the helm.
    The President doesn't 'control' the Republican House. The Republicans do.

    Even with Clinton, the most leaderly of presidents in the last 50 years....Newt Gingrich's Contract on America brought things to a virtual standstill.

    We all will be looking to Obama to knock some sense into the House...but it isn't like he can have them rounded up and shut in a room with cigars, hookers and blow until they come to any agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama now has full responsibility. He has no choice but to lead now - if he's a real leader like most of you here say he is he'll be able to "control" both houses.

    The ship goes up or down with him at the helm.
    What is this? It speaks of desperation... it has desperation written all over it. Obama has been trying to lead this country for 4 years and he had republicans spitting at his face preventing him from doing anything... filibustering anything he did. They wanted to make him a one term president and they failed MISERABLY. Obama has done an admirable job under the cruel circumstances pushed on him by republicans. Republicans are demoralized and fucked up enough right now... so Obama should do what Teddy Roosevelt did... speak softly and carry a big stick.

    The republicans in the House better realize they have been messing with and manipulating this country long enough. That time is over.

    The republicans thought they had the people on their side, but they were totally wrong! The people stuck behind the President even with unemployment still at where it is. That shows resolve... a resolve that hasn't been with the American people in decades. Probably not since FDR's time. Now Congress, lets get the republicans moving and see progress on both the budget and small jobs bills... because us over on the left really CARE about the ECONOMY.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2088176.html

    Students in Mississippi riot after hearing of Obama victory...sadly, I expect more of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aagold76 View Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2088176.html

    Students in Mississippi riot after hearing of Obama victory...sadly, I expect more of this.
    And there I had hope for young people even in republican states...

    Sour grapes I say! This was the democratic process!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What is this? It speaks of desperation... it has desperation written all over it. Obama has been trying to lead this country for 4 years and he had republicans spitting at his face preventing him from doing anything... filibustering anything he did. They wanted to make him a one term president and they failed MISERABLY. Obama has done an admirable job under the cruel circumstances pushed on him by republicans. Republicans are demoralized and fucked up enough right now... so Obama should do what Teddy Roosevelt did... speak softly and carry a big stick.

    The republicans in the House better realize they have been messing with and manipulating this country long enough. That time is over.

    The republicans thought they had the people on their side, but they were totally wrong! The people stuck behind the President even with unemployment still at where it is. That shows resolve... a resolve that hasn't been with the American people in decades. Probably not since FDR's time. Now Congress, lets get the republicans moving and see progress on both the budget and small jobs bills... because us over on the left really CARE about the ECONOMY.
    We'll see, he has to perform now. Blame is not an option. Leaders lead no matter what the obstacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We'll see, he has to perform now. Blame is not an option. Leaders lead no matter what the obstacle.
    Well when non-stop filibustering is happening and republicans are making it their mission to prevent anything he does.

    We've picked up Senate seats though so that may give us more sway.

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    Students in Mississippi riot after hearing of Obama victory...sadly, I expect more of this.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I have never bought the "both parties are the same". That they haven't changed from yesterday is of course true, but they DO change, and they ARE different. The GOP was NOT the party of the phobic religious right until a decade or two ago, and the Democrats were definitely NOT the pro-gay unicorns of today until a few short years ago. Let's not forget it was a Democrat president who allowed (if unenthusiastically) DOMA to happen.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    It is evident that Obama was being punished in this election.

    But was he being punished for failing to cave in to enough crazy teaparty demands? Or was he punished for failing to sweep away enough of the dipshit policies of Bush.

    I agree with kulindahr. He needs to reach down and locate his testicles.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Unless this election produces a serious "come to Jesus" moment for the GOP, I think we'll continue to see more of the same for the next two years, anyway. The two parties will snipe at each other and nibble around the edges of the country's problems, taking only the action they absolutely must to stave off complete disaster.

    I'd be delighted to be wrong.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Well when non-stop filibustering is happening and republicans are making it their mission to prevent anything he does.

    We've picked up Senate seats though so that may give us more sway.
    Do we dare expect that Reid will have the balls to change the filibuster rules -- like require just 55 for closure?

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Like the rest of my fellow Americans I woke up this morning to discover that nothing changed.

    After BILLIONS of dollars spent campaigning, both by the candidates, Super PACS, special interest groups, and what have you, and nothing but talk, talk, talk from pundits and comedians, where almost right back were we started.

    So where do we go from here?

    Senate Republican Minority (And still in the minority!) Mitch McConnell said after the 2010 Mid Term elections that 'job one is to make sure that Obama is a one term President.'

    It's clear that they failed in that objective.

    In addition I've heard that there are close to half a dozen or so "Tea Party" Congresscritters that only got to serve one two year terms in that capacity.

    Their "electorate" kicked them out.

    Bonus, they won't be able to suck off the Government Teet that they squeal so much about; because benefits don't kick in until at least the sixth term or so.

    So they'll have to go back to the Districts and get "real jobs."

    I can't think of a downside, so it's a "Win/Win!" for the rest of us.

    I'm sure that the "silver lining" from the "right" is that Obama can't run for a third term (though don't be surprised that some nut-job somewhere will suggest that's exactly what he's gunning for...think Bloomberg, or or Rudy "9/11" Giuliani as test cases.).

    It ain't going to happen.

    America, and Americans have some very serious issues facing us.

    I'm think that that the National GOP will be doing some serious "soul searching" over the next days and weeks to come.

    Obama is out in 2016 thanks to Republican Term Limits set forth in 1948.

    If they expect to maintain a "majority in the house," or possibly even gain a "majority in the Senate" in 2014, they're going to have to make their case to the American public, and "birthers, illegal immigrants, gays, healthcare, and a woman's right to choose," isn't going to cut it.

    Besides that, by the end of this year (provided that the Mayan's weren't following the Julian Calendar...they weren't...and the Zombie Apocalypse seems to be over), the "sequester" budget measures (the only "compromise" passed by Republicans...hoping that things would be different come November 6, 2012) are now a reality that our Congress must face.

    I've just about come to the personal conclusion that there's not a single politician in Washington who won't put themselves before "party" or "Americans," and that if they want to keep their jobs they'll "compromise."

    Of course there are going to be some who are willing to take that gamble, which means more of the same, and worse because the check is coming due.

    Of course, I've always been wrong in the past.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    His base of support eroded significantly? Not entirely. And significantly more minorities got out to vote. 4 million more Latinos, and 72% of all Latinos voted for Obama. This was a mandate enough for him to do what he needs.
    He has no mandate. He better understand that or he's going to go down a very deep rabbit hole that will end well for no one. (and if I was a betting man, I would wager that Bill Clinton has already warned him of something to that effect)

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I actually think there will be a divergence of policy by the president. I think on economic policy, he will be forced to move further to the right to actually get things done and... for better or worse... I think he is comfortable caving a bit in this regard. On social issues, I think he might start to show more signs of the "crazy liberal" most of us hope exists in him... this is especially true if the GOP continues its intransigence on the economy... he will want something to define his legacy and if it can't be the economy... it might as well be civil rights and health care. And, of course, he will nominate one or more respectable court justices that don't turn back the clock.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    At least for budget cuts, it has been stated that bipartisan support will be for raising the age of Medicare eligibility to 67. That's pretty much a no brainer.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    If the Republicans are too bull-headed to learn from this election, do the right thing for the people of the USA, and work to compromise with the President and pass decent legislation, then I see another Democratic majority (maybe even a super majority) coming up in the House and Senate in 2014. On their current trajectory, the Republican party will fade into oblivion and for good reason.

    I have to admit, I've done something this election I've never done before. I was so disgusted with Republicans as a whole that I went down my ballot and voted for anyone that was a Democrat........ I couldn't vote for anyone with that dreaded "R" next to their name, it made me sick to my stomach to even think about it. I didn't care how many years they had been in office, what kind of job they had done, nothing could make me vote for them. That's saying a lot..........because I have NEVER done that. I hope that changes between now and the next election.
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    I was watching a little Fox News today- always good to keep an eye on the other side....one Republican moderate- they do exist, just not allowed to speak much...was saying the Repub party was trying to live like Mad Men in a Modern Family world....sums it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    He has no mandate. He better understand that or he's going to go down a very deep rabbit hole that will end well for no one. (and if I was a betting man, I would wager that Bill Clinton has already warned him of something to that effect)
    Utter baloney. That's not true at all. Republicans are demoralized. The democrats are energized. I don't agree with that statement at all. It's easy to dismiss him and not having a mandate, but he clearly does. I am sure a good part of the republican party will want to negotiate and compromise now considering many of their people in the Senate were defeated.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2089819.html

    And good old Joe thinks otherwise... they have a mandate and they will pursue it.

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    I did not review the thread because after I started out it became the same talking points.

    I have read a ton of analysis and even listened to the right wingers whip themselves on republican talk shows.

    Kevin Yoder won an uncontested race in Kansas to return as the 3rd districts congressman. He said there WAS a great deal of hold out in the previous congress but he was told by every supporter he visited that he needs to go back to Washington and cooperate and he thinks his fellow democratic and republican cohorts have been told the same thing.

    As far as what happens? I like this analogy. Over the last few decades America has played "throw out the bums" and this time America is saying grow the fuck up and play in the sand box together. Republicans still have the purse strings but the national message seems clear. Reform taxes, address the fiscal cliff and work together.

    I think they will come to deal and if tax reform is involved (instead of calling it raising taxes) then you will see democrats willingly involved in entitlement reform. Lets face it folks now matter how much vitriol you spewed or received over the last few years we must face those issues and the country is almost evenly divided so we can either sit on our hands and die together or win together.

    I think Obama needs to use that sort of tactic on both his party and the republican party.

    If anyone has seen the 60 minutes interview of Reid and McConnell then it is easy to tell that BOTH sides need their asses spanked by the leader we just elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aagold76 View Post
    I was watching a little Fox News today- always good to keep an eye on the other side....one Republican moderate- they do exist, just not allowed to speak much...was saying the Repub party was trying to live like Mad Men in a Modern Family world....sums it up!
    that's pretty fucking funny

    another approach would be they're like Mad Men in A Walking Dead world

    perhaps funnier

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Utter baloney. That's not true at all. Republicans are demoralized. The democrats are energized. I don't agree with that statement at all. It's easy to dismiss him and not having a mandate, but he clearly does. I am sure a good part of the republican party will want to negotiate and compromise now considering many of their people in the Senate were defeated.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2089819.html

    And good old Joe thinks otherwise... they have a mandate and they will pursue it.
    Joe Biden is a walking idiot and an embarrassment to the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Joe Biden is a walking idiot and an embarrassment to the country.
    Oh please... he's a fantastic Vice President and he destroyed Paul Ryan in the debate. He's the guy republicans love to hate for no reason. The real embarrassment got defeated last night... so much desperation...

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Do you expect the US has turned the corner?

    I feel as though the US dipped it's toes in modernity during Bill Clinton's tenure, but then ran backwards to Bush Junior when it didn't have the courage to take the plunge. It seemed like Barack Obama's first term was the same kind of hesitant optimism, but that maybe the water still didn't suit them. With his reelection, I think Americans have finally decided to enjoy the modern world and make the best of it.

    Even Republicans are saying they'll never be able to win another election pitting white people against brown people, straights against gays, christians against non-believers. I would be delighted if that's true.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I'm a 1000 times prouder of Biden than I ever was of Cheney or Quayle!!!!

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    Well, Cheney spent 8 years ruling by fiat from an undisclosed location which when you think about it, does require some kind of evil genius - I always pictured him in some kind of evil super-fortress verbally fencing with James Bond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit View Post
    I actually think there will be a divergence of policy by the president. I think on economic policy, he will be forced to move further to the right to actually get things done and... for better or worse... I think he is comfortable caving a bit in this regard. On social issues, I think he might start to show more signs of the "crazy liberal" most of us hope exists in him... this is especially true if the GOP continues its intransigence on the economy... he will want something to define his legacy and if it can't be the economy... it might as well be civil rights and health care. And, of course, he will nominate one or more respectable court justices that don't turn back the clock.
    He already moved to the right. When the Republicans didn't budge, he moved farther to the right. He's been backing legislation that came from Republican sources, and the Republicans have been killing it -- including legislation they themselves wrote.

    Caving to them will just destroy the gains that have been made. He should refuse to sign anything having to do with taxes that doesn't kill the Bush tax cuts and at the same time raise the individual exemption by $2k.

    As far as respectable justices, I'd like to see him start doing that.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh please... he's a fantastic Vice President and he destroyed Paul Ryan in the debate. He's the guy republicans love to hate for no reason. The real embarrassment got defeated last night... so much desperation...
    I think Republicans hate Biden because he can be a good old boy while remaining a gentleman, and be just folks while retaining his brain -- and treat every last person he meets as a person.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I think Republicans hate Biden because he can be a good old boy while remaining a gentleman, and be just folks while retaining his brain -- and treat every last person he meets as a person.
    The gentlemen thing is out the window for many republicans who are now ranting and raving... at first they were ranting about how it wasn't a democratically legitimate election and how Obama wasn't ahead in the popular vote (until they counted the west coast lol). Republicans aren't gentlemen and don't connect well with people. They resort to anger... as we see on the University of Mississippi.

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    ...And I see we're back.

    Less than a day and we are stooping to 'Walking Dead' and trashing Biden.

    It is going to be a long 4 years for some people.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    The first priority of President Obama is to resolve the so-called Fiscal Cliff and avoid sending the economy into a tailspin.
    Will the Republicans cooperate? It's difficult to say. But they don't have a mandate to destroy the economy.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...y-fiscal-cliff

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