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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Because this election was much closer than the last, and dissatisfaction with the direction of the country was 55%. They have no reason to fear the president.
    Midterms...?


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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Lets not forget the historic nature of Obama's second term. Only one Democratic President Since FRD has won two majority elections, Obama. To fully understand the impact of that we see the cycle of elections, in which 20 dems and 10 repubs ( aprox) were up against elections, and somehow the Democrats still made gains on the seats. That means that in two years, they will probably be fighting more on their own turf. IF the GOP does not change it's anti woman, anti imigrant stance, they will lose more. The filibuster is going to be changed in the new senate, and obstruction there will end.

    The GOP losses in the house were clear indications that at a local level, Loonytoon Tea baggers are being Isolated and pushed out. The GOp MUST moderate it's stance or it's going to lose the midterms. IF that happens, and Obama is given full control of the house and senate for his last two years, you will see an unstoppable Obama.

    For the GOP to hold the house, they need to start cooperating and stop with the obstruction. If they don't the american people will take them out of power in the midterm, and they will lose far more than a pledge to Grover Norquist.

    All that's left is the posturing, but the Bush tax cuts are gone, and a new tax break percentage is going to be worked out, and for every point that the wealthy keep, The GOP will have to remove a loophole for the wealthy... A little concept called pay as you go.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    That's an interesting note... and thanks for mentioning my oversight, because I remember Obama ran the first part of his campaign as the GOP was having it's weekly eat a candidate blood match, Obama was running against a do nothing congress, and corporate influence in the legislature.

    So in many senses, I'm sure that makes him much more of a Truman presidency than any others. Historians will have a long time to dissect this, and make comparisons.

    What the GOP is having a hard time grasping is that the American people, through the ballot box, have made Obama a Historic presidency for reasons that surpass the color of his skin.

    When they catch up to that popular american vision of Obama, then they will start picking apart his New twice proven coalition. This is an insurgent Democratic Party in Washington, that they are facing.

    Warren is just one boil that is going to fester on the ass of the GOP, and there will be many more.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    You guys would be correct except that Truman ascended to the presidency after FDR died and then ran for one full term. He was not elected to both.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    You guys would be correct except that Truman ascended to the presidency after FDR died and then ran for one full term. He was not elected to both.

    Todays lesson is brought to you by the letter W for wiki.......
    I thought there was a qualifier but I didn't know what they are... Lots of statistics being thrown around right now for perspective, but Obama is now going to be remembered for much more than being the first Black President. Now he will have a legacy and a record that others will try to reach for.

    Beacon Hill has lots of whispers right now that Obama has offered Gov Deval Patrick with one of two choices.... Sec of State, or Attorney General.

    The powers that be here in the commonwealth want Patrick in Justice, but only after Kerry resigns to run Dept of State, to give brown's machine a win while he still has his campaign machine intact.

    It will be interesting to see. Massachusetts is making a grab for power in the Obama second term. Let's see how this plays out, and whether Massachusetts can marshal an Independent in time to beat both parties to caucus with Sanders and King.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I liked Deval Patrick a lot during the convention but most of his time running Mass I have been in other parts of the country. So i don't really know him.

    I wonder if Kerry will give up having an impact for the next twelve years as a senator for a four year stint as SoS? If it were me I dont think i would want to do it... especially with a blue senate that is about to remove the filibuster obstruction or at least alter it substantially. So much room then to accomplish so much for Mass and America.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Kerrey wants the Dept of State. Brown wants back into the senate. Patrick wants to return to the law profession.

    The Senate Dems need him to stay in the senate. There will be a bit of chess playing on this stuff, IMO.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What?

    The dissatisfaction is big time with the Congress... the Congress have very low approval ratings... not the President. Of course they have every reason to fear him. They just lost a big election...

    Oh and the President actually has a pretty high approval rating. Nice try though.
    But individual members of Congress have good approval ratings -- good enough to get elected, that is -- which means the president has no leverage to scare them, except perhaps raising money to defeat them in the midterms. So what he's got is the possibility of going to some of the rational Republicans in the House and pointing out certain Tea Party obstructionists who are certainly going down to defeat next time, and asking which side the rational guy is really on.

    That's not quite the same as sending chills down spines merely by calling.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    The GOP losses in the house were clear indications that at a local level, Loonytoon Tea baggers are being Isolated and pushed out. The GOp MUST moderate it's stance or it's going to lose the midterms. IF that happens, and Obama is given full control of the house and senate for his last two years, you will see an unstoppable Obama.

    For the GOP to hold the house, they need to start cooperating and stop with the obstruction. If they don't the american people will take them out of power in the midterm, and they will lose far more than a pledge to Grover Norquist.
    Good description of his leverage at this point -- you said it better than my clumsy attempt.

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    When they catch up to that popular american vision of Obama, then they will start picking apart his New twice proven coalition. This is an insurgent Democratic Party in Washington, that they are facing.
    Did you perhaps mean "resurgent"?

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I wouldn't bet on it. While they will certainly get more willing to debate those issues, I don't expect them to embrace them overnight. Or - in the case of gay marriage and abortion - at all. Non-religious things like healthcare or illegal immigration are easier to get away from, but the stuff that your religious base will eat you alive for? I am not so sure.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    That is the point. they need to drop the corrosive religious right and embrace socially accepted things then they can peel off some of the conservative democratic vote. I can honestly say if they embraced healthcare, immigration reform and equality then i would listen to the different fiscal ideas even more so. They do need to develop a different fiscal plan than that of Reagan and 1980. the world is different and so needs a new policy.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

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    Depending on how far social issues change, this could be viewed by history as a realigning election where Republicans drop their opposition to health care, amnesty, and gay marriage.
    Health care? No matter how it's run, a major portion of the party will see it as "socialism" if government is involved in the least way.

    Amnesty? Anything that's less than throwing illegals in prison and then shipping them "back where they came from" will be regarded as treason by the huge racist element.

    Gay marriage? There's a place progress is possible, if thinking Christians can get across to kneejerk Christians that government marriage is "Caesar's" and not God's, so Christians shouldn't even care (that won't work for a certain Calvinist streak which believes that God punishes nations for what laws they make).

    But I don't think there will be any real change until the next election, which IMO unless they come up with some amazingly charismatic new political star, the Republicans are going to lose at least as badly as this time so long as the Democrats run someone who can tie his shoes and talk at the same time. A second Democrat in the White House in a row ought to be enough to make it clear they need to do something different.

    Of course if the Democrats now start being baldly anti-Second Amendment again, that forecast goes out the window. If they keep on the current course of maintaining the status quo, it wouldn't surprise me at all if we have Democrats in the White House for the next twenty years.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Yeah, I kinda agree. If you live in and around the Pub base, you've got a pretty good idea how they've canonized certain things or demonized them. A la a "religious" kind of belief that things like socialism is an evil commie plot.

    YOU may not think healthcare is a religious issue, and they may not SAY it is, but they believe in their opinion on it in precisely the same religions way. It will not be easy for politicians to get through the lies and misinformation the base believes in religiously.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What?

    The dissatisfaction is big time with the Congress... the Congress have very low approval ratings... not the President. Of course they have every reason to fear him. They just lost a big election...

    Oh and the President actually has a pretty high approval rating. Nice try though.
    55% believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. 43% disapprove of the president. And as Kuli said, individual members of the house (with a few exceptions) have pretty high approval ratings.

    The republicans have nothing to fear.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    His approval is actually sitting at 51%.

    And as Kuli said, which you ignored, even though Congress as an institution's approval is low, individual member's approval ratings are high.

    The republicans have nothing more to fear than the Democrats do.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    That's a rapid fire response. It's not actually responding to what I said. I don't care about individual member's approval ratings. And some republicans may be vulnerable in the midterms. The republicans do have plenty to fear. They could lose the house come the midterms. And they did sustain some losses.
    The only thing that matters is the individual approval ratings; very few people vote because of how they view Congress, they vote on how they view their own guy.

    That said, there are a good number of House races that were very close. In those, Obama could indeed have leverage, and where Republicans were elected who are actually rational he could use an LBJ ploy: "Cooperate with me and I'll make sure you don't have any general election competition next time". For the non-rational ones, there's no leverage anyway because they think they're on "a mission from God'. If those "edge" Republicans go along with Obama, that would give him more leverage with other reasonable ones whose seats are safer.

    Of course there's the other LBJ tool for members of the President's own party, if they look like they're wandering: behave, or the President will campaign against you.

    Until we know the final count for the House, and how many close seats the Republicans have, it's hard to say how much of that sort of leverage Obama will be able to use. But however the numbers come out, he's got to grow a pair to manage this second term -- he's in greater need of a dose of LBJ than anything (though JFK/Reagan charisma is a necessary corollary, or the campaigning threats won't mean anything).

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Amnesty? Anything that's less than throwing illegals in prison and then shipping them "back where they came from" will be regarded as treason by the huge racist element.
    You don't have to be a racist to believe that people should obey immigration laws.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

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    The republicans have nothing to fear.
    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    The republicans have nothing more to fear than the Democrats do.
    See this is why you are wrong.

    What is Obama's line in the sand? The requirement to raise taxes on those making over 250k, right?

    What happens January first if everything remains the same? That is correct sequestration cuts a trillion and expired Bush tax cuts raise taxes.

    So the dems have the upper hand because the republicans no longer have a can to kick down the road. Let's see the pugs argue against a tax cut for 99% of America AFTER all the rates go up and every paper in the nation ius reporting that the average tax increase will equal ####.## for each low income american. See the reaction of the public when the GOP stands in the way of that tax so they can coddle the rich.

    Equally watch them not wish to save pet projects of spending that affects jobs in their area that would be lost to across the board cuts. Watch them come up with a plan to cut spending that does so realistically while raising revenues.

    No the Democrats have nothing but time on their side. And this time at the Dance I don't think Obama is going to remain a wallflower.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I expect an honest and transparent governance in years 5-8 - the ones promised originally

    With no re-election to concern himself with

    This should be easier

    I expect answers - real ones - on Benghazi

    I expect Repubs to help cut a deal that makes sense for all

    Tim Caine talked about 500k tax plan - compromise vs 250k

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Back to the subject of the thread.

    Obama has an extremely hard road ahead of him: Benghazi, Petraeus scandals, Syria, fiscal or no-fiscal cliff, increasing deficit, change of leadership in his cabinet, a Congress on both sides of the aisle where he has not built associations or friendships which makes it tough to make deals which is at the heart of a productive Congress, lack of taxes to do the grand things he wants, high unemployment, highest number of people ever to give up looking for employment, ho-hum economy, low GNP, implementation of ObamaCare where regular people will finally learn of the bad stuff along with the good stuff, how to pay his debt to the young people and minorities who elected him -- what do they want -- first thing seems to be legal pot --- maybe the first pot appreciation day at the White House, war with Mexico if pot is legalized, more and more 3am phone calls, etc.

    Why would anyone want to be President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I expect an honest and transparent governance in years 5-8 - the ones promised originally

    With no re-election to concern himself with

    This should be easier

    I expect answers - real ones - on Benghazi

    I expect Repubs to help cut a deal that makes sense for all

    Tim Caine talked about 500k tax plan - compromise vs 250k

    Agree.

    But, isn't it Tom Kaine?

    http://twitchy.com/2012/10/28/joe-ga...ove-jay-biden/

    BTW, Kaine should make a good Senator -- great education background and strong in character.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Agree.

    But, isn't it Tom Kaine?

    http://twitchy.com/2012/10/28/joe-ga...ove-jay-biden/

    BTW, Kaine should make a good Senator -- great education background and strong in character.
    Glad to see you showing some independence and praising someone of the opposing party not necessarily sharing your political perspectives. I agree Kaine, especially as a former governor of Virginia who had to deal with budgets and legislators of both parties. Pragmatic, smart man whose potentially maybe in four or eight years Presidential material. One Democrat I could possibly vote for...I'd never vote for the progressive favorites.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I expect an honest and transparent governance in years 5-8 - the ones promised originally

    With no re-election to concern himself with

    This should be easier

    I expect answers - real ones - on Benghazi

    I expect Repubs to help cut a deal that makes sense for all

    Tim Caine talked about 500k tax plan - compromise vs 250k
    I am hearing now that the deal in the works with Reid, Boehner, Canter, and Obama will raise the rate to one million, and then offer loophole closing in a pay as you go basis to get the rate lowered for the upper earners.

    That's the quick tax fix that is getting passed around right now. I have no clue as to how the lame duck will react to this, and it may be that Boehner will wait until the new house comes in, with more skin in the game, to go along with the package.

    That puts Linday Graham's grand bargain on immigration reform center stage in the coming weeks, and it gives ALOT of time for negotiations on the sequester. They won't deal with that until february at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Glad to see you showing some independence and praising someone of the opposing party not necessarily sharing your political perspectives. I agree Kaine, especially as a former governor of Virginia who had to deal with budgets and legislators of both parties. Pragmatic, smart man whose potentially maybe in four or eight years Presidential material. One Democrat I could possibly vote for...I'd never vote for the progressive favorites.
    I've always had an open mind --- with some exception during the last month of so of this nasty campaign.

    I've also, always liked Kaine -- he has a good foundation with his education at Rockhurst - I personally know many grads. He chose to help his fellow man after graduation instead of going for the big bucks right off the bat or enhancing his political career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I've always had an open mind --- with some exception during the last month of so of this nasty campaign.

    I've also, always liked Kaine -- he has a good foundation with his education at Rockhurst - I personally know many grads. He chose to help his fellow man after graduation instead of going for the big bucks right off the bat or enhancing his political career.
    I think his exec office experience makes him a shoe in for the centrist anchor, so to speak. I think he understands the dangers of obstruction and knows ways around it.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    I think his exec office experience makes him a shoe in for the centrist anchor, so to speak. I think he understands the dangers of obstruction and knows ways around it.
    Exactly. Like Clinton he knows how to govern... won't excite the left but will be a lot harder to pigeonhole as a lefty by the right. Will not make any utopian social engineering moves but promote Democratic Party principles at their best without turning off reasonable independents, conservatives and moderates. If Tim Kaine is the nominee I'd really think of voting for him...just don't see the GOP going for a Chris Christie. The right HATES him now, totally unjustly, because of Sandy's devastation in New Jersey and his close working relationship with President Obama. He's the governor and loves his state. Anything else would have been an abdication of his responsibilities and I'm glad he didn't cave in to the right's demands he openly support again Romney on an active basis. Well, he couldn't.... he was acting like a State chief executive should act, concerned with the getting things cleaned up and starting the rebuilding process for his state. He needs to have a great relationship with Washington, DC to help move things forward more smoothly and that's what he was doing. There are times for politics and the Sandy devastation wasn't one of those times.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    If only Obama would take the time to learn to work with others.

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    If only Obama would take the time to learn to work with others.
    That sounded so defanged...
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I expect the right will go choose a charismatic deep south guy for their next leader.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If only Obama would take the time to learn to work with others.
    But by 'work with others' all you really mean is 'give in to every demand that the Republican Congress makes'.

    What you should have said is that all of the politicians in federal government have to learn (again) how to work with others.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    True.

    But Obama is the guy that's supposed to be the leader.

    So far he's been President ... now he HAS TO BE a leader.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Look I understand he was not who you desired to Lead us into the next four years. However to insinuate a guy who accomplished the following hasnt led is just partisan hack crap.

    I stress he needs to open dialogue with republicans while they are feeling beaten. Then somethings can be compromised upon and accomplished.
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I have an idea now what we should expect... just seconds after having been beaten back like heretics at the church door the republican party is once again denying the reality of facts and figures:

    From the CRS report on the effect of taxes on economic growth:

    The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.
    However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.

    GOP Senators have tried to squash this report because it clearly demonstrates that tax breaks for the welathy do nothing for job creation or economic booms.... it just results in more money at the top in an already unbalanced system that leans money to the top of the spectrum.....

    HMMMM....

    You think the republican party would be interested in facts now that they see what fake reality gets you....
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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Leaders aren't always the manager or the supervisor. Leaders rise to the top through gaining respect of others and guiding others.

    Obama has refused to work with Congress for many months now.

    I still find it funny that Pelosi cut the microphone on him when he was speaking. In the business meetings I've been in through the years you only do that with some people -- people you don't respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I have an idea now what we should expect... just seconds after having been beaten back like heretics at the church door the republican party is once again denying the reality of facts and figures:



    From the CRS report on the effect of taxes on economic growth:




    GOP Senators have tried to squash this report because it clearly demonstrates that tax breaks for the welathy do nothing for job creation or economic booms.... it just results in more money at the top in an already unbalanced system that leans money to the top of the spectrum.....

    HMMMM....

    You think the republican party would be interested in facts now that they see what fake reality gets you....
    I linked to that in another thread, but it definitely bears re-posting. The historical evidence has shown that taxes on the wealthy can go as high as 65% to 70% before there's a noticeable effect on the economy; this is just icing on the data cake.

    Will Republicans care? Unlikely. They voted to exalt lies, so why should they worry about a little truth?

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    How is he supposed to be a leader when he has a republican House that has completely refused to even talk to him? Republicans better be serious about working with him now.

    Republicans are badly bruised right now so they'll have to compromise.
    He should read a political biography of LBJ -- that would show him. But it requires ruthlessness, a trait Obama hasn't shown a trace of.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Wrong. The Congress has refused to work with Obama because many of those in the House were up for re-election and they wanted to aid in Romney's failed presidential bid. They weren't going to work with Obama because it's an election year. It's just obvious.
    People voted republican for the House -- they will act as balance.

    It's gonna be this way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    People voted republican for the House -- they will act as balance.

    It's gonna be this way.

    Funny you bring that up....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2096978.html

    While Republicans hung onto control of the House of Representatives after Tuesday's election, Democratic candidates across the U.S. received more total votes than Republican candidates did.

    While not all ballots have been counted, Democrats hold an edge over Republicans in overall votes. According to ThinkProgress, 53,952,240 votes were cast for Democratic candidates, while Republican candidates received 53,402,643. However, thanks in part to redistricting, Republicans will hold more than half the seats in the House while receiving less than half of overall votes.
    So by your reasoning, we should all follow the president's Democratic Party Agenda. They won all the popular votes when tally'd up, in the house, the senate, and the presidency.

    That is what the Majority of Americans want.

    To think that the GOP has license for obstruction at this point will do nothing but lead to their demise in 2014. Let's not forget that gerrymandering the districts these last years, have given the house to the GOP without having to get the popular vote.

    Let them push this, and they will lose control of the house when it gets redistricted the next time, and frankly, they have NO CHANCE of getting the house back if the let it go.

    The house of reps will fall in line within a month or so, as soon as it's finished licking its wounds. In the interim, don't expect that the voters are going to let them off the hook.

    This election was all about being against the do nothing congress, their obstruction, and the guy they chose to lead them. If the obstruction would not have happened, we would probably be sitting here with a President Huntsman.

    But the GOP house of reps, and Mitch McConnell's crusade pushed the party off the cliff.

    Here is Gov Jindal of Louisiana in his own words....

    “Simply being the anti-Obama party didn’t work. You can’t beat something with nothing. The reality is we have to be a party of solutions and not just bumper-sticker slogans but real detailed policy solutions.”
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2C84e7yJC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    People voted republican for the House -- they will act as balance.

    It's gonna be this way.

    So you think the Republicans in the House are going to grow up now and actually do their jobs?

    I'll believe that when they show evidence of believing in economic reality.

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    Wait a minute, I don't remember the Pubs making big gains in the House? Did that just slip by me? Or is it just another salve the Pubs are putting on their open wound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Wait a minute, I don't remember the Pubs making big gains in the House? Did that just slip by me? Or is it just another salve the Pubs are putting on their open wound.
    They lost seats and they lost the majority vote.

    What you are seeing is proof of the continuing existence of the FOX alternate reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    They lost seats and they lost the majority vote.

    What you are seeing is proof of the continuing existence of the FOX alternate reality.
    It is amazing that they recovered their aplomb so quickly.

    It truly indicates that they know their audience for exactly what it is....and know that they can keep feeding this narrative to all of them no matter what.

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    My Uncle ******** (name omitted to protect my cousins who are actually blood relations and not asshats for the most part) said that the reason Obama won Florida was because the blacks (actual adjective omitted 'cause I don't want to get banned) down there were all unemployed and had time to stand in lines while god fearing white folk had jobs to get to.

    I kid you not.
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    I am not in love with your family, all things considered.
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    I am not in love with your family, all things considered.
    I suspect that I might not be including them on my Secret Santa list this year.

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    Well, you know how us Baptists feel about the Claus...

    http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1...acritical.html

    (this is satire Ben, I'd call it whimsy but that Santa pic is pretty graphic)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    My Uncle ******** (name omitted to protect my cousins who are actually blood relations and not asshats for the most part) said that the reason Obama won Florida was because the blacks (actual adjective omitted 'cause I don't want to get banned) down there were all unemployed and had time to stand in lines while god fearing white folk had jobs to get to.

    I kid you not.
    You should have blinked, then asked, "So it's really true that Republicans put dollars above patriotism?"

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    Re: What do we expect now?

    I expect Pres. Obama to appoint qualified people in his cabinet

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    He should be picking from mostly democrats now so the lack of scandal and the higher quality should show thru nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I expect Pres. Obama to appoint qualified people in his cabinet
    Maybe he'll even have cabinet meetings now.

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