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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You made a statement saying one race was better than the other.
    Actually, he didn't.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Get over your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get over your problem.
    Sorry to say but actually you, Jack are as much a part of the problem as any left minded poster here. taking what one says out of context isn't right no matter who's doing it. I've seen that several times on the right here....and I'm closer to tem here politically than those on the left. This one being one....remember also the foolish controversy about Obama calling the Chinese our closest allies when he was CLEARLY referencing Romney's gaffe while in the UK of outwardly specuating the UK was unprepared for the Olympic Games? Obama said that if Romney couldn't even deal well with our closest allies(the UK) how can we expect him to have the respect of the Chinese? There is NO excuse for lazy(or worse) mischaracterizing words to fit a particular agenda no matter WHO does it.
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    I've been looking for a thread to put this in. Maybe this will cheer up the forum.
    I haven't seen anything on the pix of the GOP. This is really clever.

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    Easy, demagogic and small minded but no doubt typical. Of course had Romney "stolen" the election successfully the left wouldn't have tears but all out foaming at the mouth rage. Unhinged would get taken to a higher level than Rovian... which grant you was pathetic enough. For every Trumpian flip out that was cringe worthy, these goal line stand spiking the football, high fiving the crowd and dancing til the cows come home shows the innate jerkiness, snarkiness and utter hypocrisy of most progressive activists.

    I'm not in tears. Cycles go up and down in politics.... be sure you can handle the situation if reversed more intelligently and thoughtfully. Don't think for the most part that would happen.
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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get over your problem.
    Actually, you're having a serious problem lately. You've been called out a lot on your posts, and your most recent form of defense has been to label everyone else a racist. Why the overcompensation? Stick with the topic.


    It was an interesting turn of events on Fox News with that election call debacle. It says a lot about how the Republicans were living in a fantasy world about how they thought they were going to win. The electoral college did not add up for them.
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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get over your problem.
    You mean my ability to actually read what people wrote? Sorry, I sort of like that one. In fact, it's a "problem" you should learn to have.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Sorry to say but actually you, Jack are as much a part of the problem as any left minded poster here. taking what one says out of context isn't right no matter who's doing it. I've seen that several times on the right here....and I'm closer to tem here politically than those on the left. This one being one....remember also the foolish controversy about Obama calling the Chinese our closest allies when he was CLEARLY referencing Romney's gaffe while in the UK of outwardly specuating the UK was unprepared for the Olympic Games? Obama said that if Romney couldn't even deal well with our closest allies(the UK) how can we expect him to have the respect of the Chinese? There is NO excuse for lazy(or worse) mischaracterizing words to fit a particular agenda no matter WHO does it.
    The guy said that hispanics worked harder than the people he referred to who were all white.

    I take offense to that -- hard work all depends on the person -- not the color of their skin.

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    So you think a group that includes laborers typically work less than paper pushing bureaucrats who you know gives speeches and agree to things written for them?

    How Odd a definition of work. No wonder Missouri has such a difficult time finding workers.
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    Ok, I was wrong in you mentioning hispanics. I admit that and I'm sorry.

    However, your original statement stings with racism. How do you know those people don't work hard?

    Why not just admit your statement was wrong.

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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Ok, I was wrong in you mentioning hispanics. I admit that and I'm sorry.

    However, your original statement stings with racism. How do you know those people don't work hard?

    Why not just admit your statement was wrong.
    An apology ? Imagine that

    Not seen in these parts

    You're awesome and real Jack

    And there's a serious shortage of both

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    But then it was decided that Kelly would walk through the office and interview the decision team in the conference room. “This is Fox News,” an insider said, “so anytime there’s a chance to show off Megyn Kelly’s legs they’ll go for it.”
    How Karl Rove Fought With Fox News Over the Ohio Call

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11...over-ohio.html

    It was an hilarious segment.

    FOX never looked so ridiculous.

    Except when Kelly asked him if "Is this just math you do to make Republicans feel better?"

    Priceless.

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    ^ it was real

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    I said I was sorry.

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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Sorry to say but actually you, Jack are as much a part of the problem as any left minded poster here. taking what one says out of context isn't right no matter who's doing it. I've seen that several times on the right here....and I'm closer to tem here politically than those on the left. This one being one....remember also the foolish controversy about Obama calling the Chinese our closest allies when he was CLEARLY referencing Romney's gaffe while in the UK of outwardly specuating the UK was unprepared for the Olympic Games? Obama said that if Romney couldn't even deal well with our closest allies(the UK) how can we expect him to have the respect of the Chinese? There is NO excuse for lazy(or worse) mischaracterizing words to fit a particular agenda no matter WHO does it.
    Not to mention that Obama said, a year or so ago, something like "Mitt Romney said, [If we talk about the economy, we lose]"

    Followed by the venal Romney ad, later, attributing a quote to Obama "If we talk about the economy, we lose."

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I've been looking for a thread to put this in. Maybe this will cheer up the forum.
    I haven't seen anything on the pix of the GOP. This is really clever.

    http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
    Oddly, you need to look in Hot Topics for such a thread - I think there's two of them there.
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    Frank if you go back to the threads that those quotes were in you can uncheck the quote with a plus sign next to it in the future... that clears it as well.

    Funny to see people taking sides over semantics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Easy, demagogic and small minded but no doubt typical. Of course had Romney "stolen" the election successfully the left wouldn't have tears but all out foaming at the mouth rage. Unhinged would get taken to a higher level than Rovian... which grant you was pathetic enough. For every Trumpian flip out that was cringe worthy, these goal line stand spiking the football, high fiving the crowd and dancing til the cows come home shows the innate jerkiness, snarkiness and utter hypocrisy of most progressive activists.

    I'm not in tears. Cycles go up and down in politics.... be sure you can handle the situation if reversed more intelligently and thoughtfully. Don't think for the most part that would happen.
    If Romney had won -- which would have required stealing the election, as he did several primaries -- we would soon all be all too busy trying to hang on to food and shelter to worry about politics.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Sorry, these two posts have NOTHING to do with this thread topic, but posting them seems to be the only way I can clear them out of my queue, for some reason????
    Actually they do -- they're looking at one of the reasons given by people at Fox for what happened to the election.

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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Fox News is now back to covering Libya..something they wouldn't be doing if Bush or a Repulibician is in office. It needs to be looked into but their "outrage" is strictly partisian for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Fox News is now back to covering Libya..something they wouldn't be doing if Bush or a Repulibician is in office. It needs to be looked into but their "outrage" is strictly partisian for the most part.

    I guess there's nothing more important than continuing one's own misinformation just show that the misinformation should be information the viewers should know as information.


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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Fox News itself is now increasingly in the spotlight as well though:

    Observers in the media are declaring that Fox News' political activism has damaged the Republican Party in light of its losses in the 2012 elections. Fox figures have actively campaigned for Republican candidates over the past four years and instructed GOP officials on how to behave once they're elected.
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...der-fir/191329

    As Chance has already noted, FOX has failed nakedly and miserably with their ineffective rabid, and consistently dishonest, partisanship.

    I have to think that Rove is over, with his ass handed to him. I have to think that Palin will drop out of the bobblehead game soon as well, since she is no longer relevant to the second term. I expect that FOX will be looking for new faces and voices to make their viewers forget about how wrong so many of their pundits got it again this time around.
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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Fox cares about .....

    Ratings

    As does AMC and MSNBC

    Or rather revenues

    Derived much from ratings

    IF Fox's goal was Pres. Romney

    They failed

    I don't think that was their goal

    Frankly I would imagine ratings and revenue might be better with a target .... BO

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    Honestly on Libya... it does need to be looked into. There is a lesson to be learned there but it was not a conspiracy carried out by us it was an attack against us. Plain and fucking simple.

    However jumping to conclusions as the body of the Ambassador was still getting cold is pure politics and everything else out of the republican machine (including Fox) was viewed by most as juts that : partisan bullshit.

    I saw and article today where two parts of the cia and military timeline differ by 2 minutes and 15 minutes. Somehow that is remarkable proof of something.... it is ridiculous. These people making these assumptions have never worked in a Operations Center and have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
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    Of Course a Romney victory was FOX's goal and of course his loss is a great harm to their credibility. They hosted a series of lies on air that left the GOP so uninformed, that Romney hadn't even bothered to write a concession speech.

    He litterally believed he was winning when he wasn't because FOX was spoon feeding it's viewers with only what they want to hear, hardly ever the truth, as he was heading into the closing election. He was broadsided by his loss at the polls. FOX, Rove, and Morris promised them that their data was not flawed.

    Now it turns out it was not even scientific, much less not flawed.

    This Romney loss is a serious issue for FOX and for the GOP. FOX needs to start delving into facts on occasion, and the GOP needs to find a new news source if they cant.

    Until such time as that occurs, they will assist each other in continuing to make each other more irrelevant every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Bill O'Reilly blamed hurricane sandy and said it changed the election... I don't even know why I tuned in on Fox News... I just wanted to see all the nasty excuses. First time I've ever watched that station.
    Let that be a lesson to you. If Bill O' Reilly explains the exisence of God only by saying that..."tide comes in, tide goes out" - I wouldn't expect too much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I saw and article today where two parts of the cia and military timeline differ by 2 minutes and 15 minutes. Somehow that is remarkable proof of something.... it is ridiculous. These people making these assumptions have never worked in a Operations Center and have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
    ... or in anything resembling an operations center. As a lifeguard at a rather large facility, I had to fill out incident reports for accidents, fights, etc. More than once, the timelines on reports by multiple lifeguards for a given incident didn't match -- and that's in the same facility! When reports are coming from multiple centers with multiple units in the field, I'd be suspicious if everything on their timelines did match perfectly.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Of Course a Romney victory was FOX's goal and of course his loss is a great harm to their credibility. They hosted a series of lies on air that left the GOP so uninformed, that Romney hadn't even bothered to write a concession speech.

    He litterally believed he was winning when he wasn't because FOX was spoon feeding it's viewers with only what they want to hear, hardly ever the truth, as he was heading into the closing election. He was broadsided by his loss at the polls. FOX, Rove, and Morris promised them that their data was not flawed.

    Now it turns out it was not even scientific, much less not flawed.

    This Romney loss is a serious issue for FOX and for the GOP. FOX needs to start delving into facts on occasion, and the GOP needs to find a new news source if they cant.

    Until such time as that occurs, they will assist each other in continuing to make each other more irrelevant every day.
    I'd like to know who did their internal polls -- or did they just rely on Fox?

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    Two words sum of Fox News: cognitive dissonance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ten days after Katrina, FEMA was still failing to do its job. Ten days after that, it was still failing.

    This time, they acted.
    It is worth noting that the federal government is no longer legally obstructed from acting so the governors have a lot less power to prevent them from coming into their state. That law was changed by congress AFTER Katrina to the angst of conspiracy theorist who proclaimed it was FEMA setting up to usurp power in America. But never mind all of that... It is Bush's fault dammmit... lol

    Additionally, the Governor in NJ is about a thousand times more effective and decisive a leader than that pair of idiots in Katrina's decimated NOLA... Just consider the NJ Mayor who immediately hopped on TV to say they were receiving no help and had Guardsman patrolling their streets fifteen minutes later. That is effective leadership at the Governors level... you know the guy who commands the guardsman.....

    Also don't forget that with an effective governor in a much more devastated state the help was efficient and immediate. Take a look at the response Mississippi received. There are so many misconceptions promoted by the airwaves from Katrina it amazes me.

    yet at the same time this ignorant attempt by the Limbaughs of the world to proclaim that there are similarities to the two catastrophes is ignorant at best. Dishonest misinformation presented as news at worst. But hell let them have their odd lack of facts bubble. Apparently it prevents them from winning office. Cheers to that idea a thousand times over.
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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Excrement is much more correct.

    Every time I hear Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck or O'Reilly espouse blatant lies for what is the democratic party and what is the reason people voted, I then become more and more solid in my fervent desire to never let a candidate they support run anything.
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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    LOL

    Now that Romney has been vanquished, it's full time on Fox time

    haha

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    Re: Fox News argues over Obama win

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Bill O'Reilly blamed hurricane sandy and said it changed the election... I don't even know why I tuned in on Fox News... I just wanted to see all the nasty excuses. First time I've ever watched that station.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It did change the election, but not enough to change the game. It might have given Virginia to Obama, but that's about all I can see.
    HOW IN THE HELL DO I STOP THESE QUOTES FROM COMING BACK OVER AND OVER? I thought they were cleared from my queue, then all of a sudden they appear...again.

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    Fox cares about .....

    Ratings

    As does AMC and MSNBC
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    Somebody told me that I should "uncheck" those two posts from the [multiple quote] function, but I found those two original posts and there is NOT a multiple quote checkmark on them, so I can't do anything. I'll hafve to send in a bug report, I guess??

    It's not the end of the world but, with these two phantom quotes (which were long ago used as intended) continuing to clutter my queue, it cuts down on the # of posts I can quote before it automatically goes into the "reply to thread" mode.

    EDIT: I just posted it in the Bugs thread.
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    Have you tried to check them and then unchecked them... i dunno. I had the same issue then found them checked in their original threads....
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    LOL

    Now that Romney has been vanquished, it's full time on Fox time

    haha
    . . . but they'll only watch FOX on MSNBC.

    Sometimes I think the only reason MSNBC gets the ratings they do is because of all their FOX News Channel coverage.

    If you were to take away the FOX bashing on MSNBC -- what would you have --- Morning Joe and Lockup.

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    If MSNBC had any balls it would move Joe back to prime time...hell I'd watch him because he's no cookie cutter conservative windbag.It has to be more than unhinged interrupted by snark (Matthews, Schultz, O'Donnell and Maddow). And without his liberal babysitter, Mika. She's actually pretty good...can handle the morning on her own or give her another thinking conservative (they DO exist even in this GOP era) to hold court with.
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    Good idea Sausy. I'd like to see FOX add another liberal to The Five it would make the show more interesting -- maybe move it into prime time if O'Reilly retires.

    MSNBC's primetime is way too liberal. FOX makes it more balanced with one extreme between two moderates.

    Hopefully MSNBC will come to their senses and cut The Rev and Matthews and add a news program in the evening -- it's rather odd to not have a news program on a news channel.

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    Joe was balls to wall on the Petraeus story this am

    It's like he got the memo

    "It's ok to talk"

    Not sure if he'd be as good w/o the crew to keep him real if occasionally too quiet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Good idea Sausy. I'd like to see FOX add another liberal to The Five it would make the show more interesting -- maybe move it into prime time if O'Reilly retires.

    MSNBC's primetime is way too liberal. FOX makes it more balanced with one extreme between two moderates.

    Hopefully MSNBC will come to their senses and cut The Rev and Matthews and add a news program in the evening -- it's rather odd to not have a news program on a news channel.
    Greta has too many of the worst familiar GOP ultraconservatives on... Bill is still conservative, not as doctrinaire as Sean but not really a moderate. FOX needs to give more time to independent voices, not throwing conservatives under the bus but appealing to moderates in both parties as well as independents who don't care for what progressives want to enact, but aren't right wing zealots either. David Brooks ad an amazing column on how the GOP can cast a positive conservative message and be known, while the Democrats are the "party of security" the Republicans would be the "party of work".Conservatism at least as represented by the GOP is only dead if the religious right and the Koch Corporatists aren't pushed aside for a positive message celebrating traditions of hard work, self reliance and community spirit that best represent conservative traditions....what speaks best about America. He would be perfect even if derided by activists on the right because he works for the New York Times and doesn't always toe a purist conservative line.... Fox audiences ARE NOT exclusively conservative activists anyway, not by a long shot.

    FOX has to re-invent itself...go beyond Trump, Rush, Rove, Morris, Malkin, Palin as their go to faces. Their news and analysis shows hosted by Sheppard Smith and Bret Baier are excellent... they have some great individual repoerters. But Ailes has to take the partisan sting out of their culture. Fair and balanced they're not overall.... they don't have to become MSNBC. Just broaden what they are. Hell at least they got tired of Beck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Oddly, you need to look in Hot Topics for such a thread - I think there's two of them there.
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    Also love the suggestion about "the Five"... the conservatives on the panel are terrific actually, pretty responsible. LOVE Dana Perino...Greg Gutfeld is a hoot even if pretty snarky and Andrea Tantaros isn't blonde or a Michelle Malkin/Sarah Palin/ Michelle Bachmann at least! Love Bob Beckel personally if not some of his views..he's on very good terms personally with conservatives,EVEN Sean Hannity. Takes politics seriously but not himself...like Tip O'Neill he can socialize without demonizing the other side as an inplacable enemy but stay true to his principles. I would like to see him get someone close philosophically with a similar personal temperament(Joe Trippi is excellent....worked for Howard Dean but often one of the most thoughtful liberal perspectives as a guest on some FOX shows). Anyway, even now other than Joe, FOX has more diversity than MSNBC-DNC. If they act rather than get defensive and edgy they can showcase something worth watching that doesn't have a progressive slant.

    According to a recent poll taken on Election Day....we are diverse politically as a nation. 35% identify as conservative, 25% as liberal/left. But 40% identify as centrists who oppose ideologically purist labels...they often take some from both and are pragmatic, not into social engineering visions of America right OR left. FOX needs to respect them more...hell grow that demographic! They need not throw conservative perspectives under a bus but since we ARE really a center-right nation listen and accomodate the views of the center more. More" fair" and much more "balanced" than the equation they have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Greta has too many of the worst familiar GOP ultraconservatives on... Bill is still conservative, not as doctrinaire as Sean but not really a moderate. FOX needs to give more time to independent voices, not throwing conservatives under the bus but appealing to moderates in both parties as well as independents who don't care for what progressives want to enact, but aren't right wing zealots either. David Brooks ad an amazing column on how the GOP can cast a positive conservative message and be known, while the Democrats are the "party of security" the Republicans would be the "party of work".Conservatism at least as represented by the GOP is only dead if the religious right and the Koch Corporatists aren't pushed aside for a positive message celebrating traditions of hard work, self reliance and community spirit that best represent conservative traditions....what speaks best about America. He would be perfect even if derided by activists on the right because he works for the New York Times and doesn't always toe a purist conservative line.... Fox audiences ARE NOT exclusively conservative activists anyway, not by a long shot.

    FOX has to re-invent itself...go beyond Trump, Rush, Rove, Morris, Malkin, Palin as their go to faces. Their news and analysis shows hosted by Sheppard Smith and Bret Baier are excellent... they have some great individual repoerters. But Ailes has to take the partisan sting out of their culture. Fair and balanced they're not overall.... they don't have to become MSNBC. Just broaden what they are. Hell at least they got tired of Beck.
    "The Party of Work" will only work if they move back to the conservative tradition of taxing those who can afford to pay when the nation needs the bucks. The super-wealthy for the most part do no work -- and get rewarded immensely for it. Merely doing that would serve to take some of the partisan sting out of the culture, because it would make Republicans look sensible to the majority of Americans who actually get that we're all in this together, that being a country is more than just happening to reside within a set of borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    "The Party of Work" will only work if they move back to the conservative tradition of taxing those who can afford to pay when the nation needs the bucks. The super-wealthy for the most part do no work -- and get rewarded immensely for it. Merely doing that would serve to take some of the partisan sting out of the culture, because it would make Republicans look sensible to the majority of Americans who actually get that we're all in this together, that being a country is more than just happening to reside within a set of borders.
    That's one of the suggestions by David Brooks...not create super PACS and promote the interests alone of the extraordinarily wealthy but to spend instead trying to devise ways of getting America back to work and supporting them. Taxes cannot of themselves be off the table though driving tax rates up isn't the answer. Tax reform is essential and if more of the wealthy simply pay a certain definable percentage and close loopholes it will be a great step in making our system fairer without being punitive. We ARE in this together...though many on the right AND the left will never stop seeing everyone on the opposite side as horrible people with the worst of intentions and motivations. Real leaders can make us feel as part of one community...Obama is our President but has proven beyond all doubt however he is NOT that kind of leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Real leaders can make us feel as part of one community...Obama is our President but has proven beyond all doubt however he is NOT that kind of leader.
    You mean, the way Obama failed to make us gays feel part of the American community, by supporting gay rights more enthusiastically than any president in American history?

    Or the way the Democratic Party failed to make us feel part of the community by advocating gay marriage as part of the party platform?

    Then again, there are those "real leaders" like GWB and Mitt Romney, who make us feel "part of one community" by advocating constitutional amendments that would make certain we never belong to the American community. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy
    We ARE in this together...though many on the right AND the left will never stop seeing everyone on the opposite side as horrible people with the worst of intentions and motivations[A]. Real leaders can make us feel as part of one community...Obama is our President but has proven beyond all doubt however he is NOT that kind of leader [B].

    I think Sausy was saying that [B] was referring to [A], that is, Obama is a real leader that would lead the country for all the people.

    Seems like he worded it slightly off, and it's come out badly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I'm not sure looking at it. It's strangely worded.
    We'll find out when he reappears, but I'm acquainted offline with with his thinking elsewhere, and he is pro-Obama, even though he has a conservative leaning bias.


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    Sausy doesn't think that Obama is a leader, let alone one that can unite all Americans.

    Whatever.

    I don't think that person even exists any more...if they ever did. I certainly don't remember it from history books or in my lifetime.

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    I dont think Obama is the kind of leader who would thrive in this massively partisan world.

    I think perhaps he is smart enough to listen to criticism however.

    People said he should give up time each week to talk to both sides from capitol hill and develop relationships. Well they are doing that this week. It remains to be seen if it will bear fruit or if he will continue the practice. I certainly hope it does.

    However there is a lot of shit coming the Obama and democratic way. hate and loathing over Obamacare's cost and the inevitable cuts we will see to reduce those they have to pay for in various companies is going to push us close to no growth again and if it perpetuates could cause a recession. It is a difficult pill to swallow and the nation needs it but politically it is going to put a lot of capitol in the other party's pocket.

    Petraeus and Benghazi and the CIA's failures there will be a huge egg in face item. Don't know exactly how all this plays out but the Administration has had a great deal of success prosecuting the war on terror. You don't get there without risk and I think Benghazi will turn out to highlight many of those risk. Benghazi will also dampen any enthusiasm for other similar projects.

    The thing never focused on this election which will be a critical and potentially costly matter in both treasure and diplomatic capitol is the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The only legitimate method to take everything out is through Pakistan who wants something like a million dollar a ship departure fee. SO we will not pay it and have to shit in their Wheaties to get the job done.

    Those items will typify the first two years, republicans if time is a witness will use all of that to their advantage and take the house and a few Senate seats... potentially take the Senate and then it will be Obama Lame duck land while we run up for '16. The economy will barely sputter into positive territory.

    As soon as Republicans start railing on all of these issues Obama will stop talking to them just like he stopped in June talking to congress because it was a waste of time.

    These are what I see coming.
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