Fox News argues over Obama win

[ibill1]

FEMA has already paid out millions. Fox News bringing on one person to do an interview doesn't constitute what most people in Staten Island and Brooklyn think. Most approve of the government's handling.

You might want to reread what he said.

It took less than 10 days for the press and dem's to make Katrina a political and racial issue.

OK. Here it is. Where does he say people are not suffering. You know it is just like before the election. Anything about Romney was always responded by whats wrong with Obama, now, anything about Sandy is responded with the dems and Katrina. The GOP party is so f**ked up and out of touch that the only response from rep. can only be done by pointing out what is wrong with the Dems and Obama, really though, it is understandable, they have nothing else.

[Lestatnj]

You might want to reread what he said.

It took less than 10 days for the press and dem's to make Katrina a political and racial issue.

I think W & Brownie did that on their own, by sitting on their asses & doing nothing but flying over LA

[opinterph]

I have a helpful perspective about FEMA: in the last few disasters we've had here, they've sometimes been fantastic and sometimes been total boobs. I no longer expect them to do anything but bumble through, so when they do better than that, I applaud.

There have been four major disaster declarations in the State of Oregon during the Obama Administration. Three involved effects from severe winter storms and one was a tsunami wave surge. There were also two fire assistance declarations in 2009. Are the last few disasters you referenced all included in the period of the Obama Administration?

[GiancarloC]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular

It's a major natural disaster at Fox News according to Jon Stewart... in other words an avalanche on bullshit mountain. It was a disaster of catastrophic proportions.

He makes a good point... Fox News should be renamed BNN... Bullshit News Network.

The racism on Fox News was evident... they went after minorities insulting them. I can assure everyone minorities work harder than Palin, Trump or Rove.

[Jack Springer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular

I can assure everyone minorities work harder than Palin, Trump or Rove.

Is that a racist statement? or just a really stupid statement?

[GiancarloC]

Is that a racist statement? or just a really stupid statement?

How the fuck is it racist? What the heck has Palin ever done? Took her 7 or 8 years to finish university... Trump has gone bankrupt too many times to count... and Rove is a fat lazy political dinosaur who takes money from rich billionaires.

Cry me a fucking river.

[Jack Springer]

You made a statement saying one race was better than the other.

[White Eagle]

I like this. It's longer to type instead of Faux Snooze, but I'll suffer it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular

Fox News should be renamed BNN... Bullshit News Network.

[JayHawk]

Not working. Please play the politically correct whenever I choose to be game elsewhere... of course if you had ever refuted a benvolio xenophobia statement you might have credibility but you really dont when you pick and choose when to become upset.

[GiancarloC]

You made a statement saying one race was better than the other.

Where did I say one race was better than the other? Bullshit alert!

[palemale]

The racism on Fox News was evident... they went after minorities insulting them. I can assure everyone minorities work harder than Palin, Trump or Rove.

I hope Palin, Trump and Rove stick around. Palin and Rove are experts at separating gullible conservatives from their money. All three are experts at making the Republicans look stupid and ridiculous.

[T-Rexx]

Bill Maher nailed it tonight on Hardball...the Republicans exist in their own word with their own facts and then they're shocked when those facts aren't upheld in the real world

Yes, there was a discussion of this on NPR today.

It seems that Mitt Romney, his entire campaign team, and Karl Rove were all truly surprised that they did not win - even though their impending defeat was fairly obvious to virtually everyone else going into the election. Republicans live in a world of their own facts, including their own polling data.

Romney was surprised that Pennsylvania was called for Obama so early in the election, even though virtually every poll (except Romney's own) had Pennsylvania a virtual lock for Obama. Romney was surprised that Florida was so close. He was surprised that North Carolina was not called for him early in the vote tallying. He did not bother to write a concession statement, because he was certain of his own victory.

The Republican inability to see beyond the phantoms of their own creation is just remarkable.

[frankfrank]

You made a statement saying one race was better than the other.

B-b-b-but...the Indianapolis 500 *IS* better than the Daytona 400!

[Kulindahr]

There have been four major disaster declarations in the State of Oregon during the Obama Administration. Three involved effects from severe winter storms and one was a tsunami wave surge. There were also two fire assistance declarations in 2009. Are the last few disasters you referenced all included in the period of the Obama Administration?

Actually I'm thinking back into the Bush years, too. I only recall two here during Obama's term -- but I may have missed one; roads blocked by trees and landslides and flooding are par for the course so I may not have noticed any announcement.

[Kulindahr]

You made a statement saying one race was better than the other.

Actually, he didn't.

[Jack Springer]

Get over your problem.

[Sausy]

Get over your problem.

Sorry to say but actually you, Jack are as much a part of the problem as any left minded poster here. taking what one says out of context isn't right no matter who's doing it. I've seen that several times on the right here....and I'm closer to tem here politically than those on the left. This one being one....remember also the foolish controversy about Obama calling the Chinese our closest allies when he was CLEARLY referencing Romney's gaffe while in the UK of outwardly specuating the UK was unprepared for the Olympic Games? Obama said that if Romney couldn't even deal well with our closest allies(the UK) how can we expect him to have the respect of the Chinese? There is NO excuse for lazy(or worse) mischaracterizing words to fit a particular agenda no matter WHO does it.

[White Eagle]

I've been looking for a thread to put this in. Maybe this will cheer up the forum.
I haven't seen anything on the pix of the GOP. This is really clever.

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

[Sausy]

Easy, demagogic and small minded but no doubt typical. Of course had Romney "stolen" the election successfully the left wouldn't have tears but all out foaming at the mouth rage. Unhinged would get taken to a higher level than Rovian... which grant you was pathetic enough. For every Trumpian flip out that was cringe worthy, these goal line stand spiking the football, high fiving the crowd and dancing til the cows come home shows the innate jerkiness, snarkiness and utter hypocrisy of most progressive activists.

I'm not in tears. Cycles go up and down in politics.... be sure you can handle the situation if reversed more intelligently and thoughtfully. Don't think for the most part that would happen.

[Just_Believe18]

Get over your problem.

Actually, you're having a serious problem lately. You've been called out a lot on your posts, and your most recent form of defense has been to label everyone else a racist. Why the overcompensation? Stick with the topic.


It was an interesting turn of events on Fox News with that election call debacle. It says a lot about how the Republicans were living in a fantasy world about how they thought they were going to win. The electoral college did not add up for them.

[Kulindahr]

Get over your problem.

You mean my ability to actually read what people wrote? Sorry, I sort of like that one. In fact, it's a "problem" you should learn to have.

[Jack Springer]

Sorry to say but actually you, Jack are as much a part of the problem as any left minded poster here. taking what one says out of context isn't right no matter who's doing it. I've seen that several times on the right here....and I'm closer to tem here politically than those on the left. This one being one....remember also the foolish controversy about Obama calling the Chinese our closest allies when he was CLEARLY referencing Romney's gaffe while in the UK of outwardly specuating the UK was unprepared for the Olympic Games? Obama said that if Romney couldn't even deal well with our closest allies(the UK) how can we expect him to have the respect of the Chinese? There is NO excuse for lazy(or worse) mischaracterizing words to fit a particular agenda no matter WHO does it.

The guy said that hispanics worked harder than the people he referred to who were all white.

I take offense to that -- hard work all depends on the person -- not the color of their skin.

[JayHawk]

So you think a group that includes laborers typically work less than paper pushing bureaucrats who you know gives speeches and agree to things written for them?

How Odd a definition of work. No wonder Missouri has such a difficult time finding workers.

[GiancarloC]

The guy said that hispanics worked harder than the people he referred to who were all white.

I take offense to that -- hard work all depends on the person -- not the color of their skin.

Where did I say anything about race? I said those minorities work harder than those rich guys.

"I can assure everyone minorities work harder than Palin, Trump or Rove."

That's my original statement. I didn't even mention hispanics. You're just bullshitting again. And I didn't even say anything about white guys... those three haven't worked a hard day in their lives. One manipulates bankruptcies, the other pushes paper and the other cuts and run away from her responsibility as governor.

[Jack Springer]

Ok, I was wrong in you mentioning hispanics. I admit that and I'm sorry.

However, your original statement stings with racism. How do you know those people don't work hard?

Why not just admit your statement was wrong.

[GiancarloC]

My original statement stings with racism? Where? I didn't even mention the race of Palin, Trump and Rove. I'm not admitting anything I said was wrong. Stop making stuff up I clearly never said. I know the election defeat of Romney probably hurt a great deal (lol well certainly not for me... I been smiling more these last few days), but don't even think about accusing me of racism.

[chance1]

Ok, I was wrong in you mentioning hispanics. I admit that and I'm sorry.

However, your original statement stings with racism. How do you know those people don't work hard?

Why not just admit your statement was wrong.

An apology ? Imagine that

Not seen in these parts

You're awesome and real Jack

And there's a serious shortage of both

Cheers

[rareboy]

But then it was decided that Kelly would walk through the office and interview the decision team in the conference room. “This is Fox News,” an insider said, “so anytime there’s a chance to show off Megyn Kelly’s legs they’ll go for it.”

How Karl Rove Fought With Fox News Over the Ohio Call

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11...over-ohio.html

It was an hilarious segment.

FOX never looked so ridiculous.

Except when Kelly asked him if "Is this just math you do to make Republicans feel better?"

Priceless.

[chance1]

^ it was real

"How do u feel about your #s"

Megan was awesome and should be commended

Bitter is better i guess

[GiancarloC]

An apology ? Imagine that

Not seen in these parts

You're awesome and real Jack

And there's a serious shortage of both

Cheers

Real? Fake. Not authentic. Just like Mitt Romney. I said what is on my mind as I always have done. There was nothing even remotely racist about what I said. Awesome and real is something seriously lacking in right wingers these days. Hence the awesome election defeat.

[Jack Springer]

I said I was sorry.

[frankfrank]

Sorry to say but actually you, Jack are as much a part of the problem as any left minded poster here. taking what one says out of context isn't right no matter who's doing it. I've seen that several times on the right here....and I'm closer to tem here politically than those on the left. This one being one....remember also the foolish controversy about Obama calling the Chinese our closest allies when he was CLEARLY referencing Romney's gaffe while in the UK of outwardly specuating the UK was unprepared for the Olympic Games? Obama said that if Romney couldn't even deal well with our closest allies(the UK) how can we expect him to have the respect of the Chinese? There is NO excuse for lazy(or worse) mischaracterizing words to fit a particular agenda no matter WHO does it.

Not to mention that Obama said, a year or so ago, something like "Mitt Romney said, [If we talk about the economy, we lose]"

Followed by the venal Romney ad, later, attributing a quote to Obama "If we talk about the economy, we lose."

FUCKIN LYING OUT HIS ASSHOLE!!

Thankfully blatant lies got their ass whupped last Tuesday.

[frankfrank]

I've been looking for a thread to put this in. Maybe this will cheer up the forum.
I haven't seen anything on the pix of the GOP. This is really clever.

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

Oddly, you need to look in Hot Topics for such a thread - I think there's two of them there.

[JayHawk]

Frank if you go back to the threads that those quotes were in you can uncheck the quote with a plus sign next to it in the future... that clears it as well.

Funny to see people taking sides over semantics.

[Kulindahr]

Easy, demagogic and small minded but no doubt typical. Of course had Romney "stolen" the election successfully the left wouldn't have tears but all out foaming at the mouth rage. Unhinged would get taken to a higher level than Rovian... which grant you was pathetic enough. For every Trumpian flip out that was cringe worthy, these goal line stand spiking the football, high fiving the crowd and dancing til the cows come home shows the innate jerkiness, snarkiness and utter hypocrisy of most progressive activists.

I'm not in tears. Cycles go up and down in politics.... be sure you can handle the situation if reversed more intelligently and thoughtfully. Don't think for the most part that would happen.

If Romney had won -- which would have required stealing the election, as he did several primaries -- we would soon all be all too busy trying to hang on to food and shelter to worry about politics.

[Kulindahr]

Sorry, these two posts have NOTHING to do with this thread topic, but posting them seems to be the only way I can clear them out of my queue, for some reason????

Actually they do -- they're looking at one of the reasons given by people at Fox for what happened to the election.

[GiancarloC]

It's extremely hard for me to accept that you think that no one is suffering from the horrors of Sandy and now the snow storm.

The news of the hurricane will slowly leak out during the coming days and weeks.


Please remind me and all others to "not give a damn" the next time an earthquake hits California.

Can't believe I missed this BS post... I didn't say nobody was suffering, Jack. Stop making false statements. I've been through several fucking natural disasters. So spare me.

And what about an earthquake hitting california? Keep the personal commentary to oneself.

[Ninja108]

Fox News is now back to covering Libya..something they wouldn't be doing if Bush or a Repulibician is in office. It needs to be looked into but their "outrage" is strictly partisian for the most part.

[star-warrior]

Fox News is now back to covering Libya..something they wouldn't be doing if Bush or a Repulibician is in office. It needs to be looked into but their "outrage" is strictly partisian for the most part.

I guess there's nothing more important than continuing one's own misinformation just show that the misinformation should be information the viewers should know as information.

[rareboy]

Fox News itself is now increasingly in the spotlight as well though:

Observers in the media are declaring that Fox News' political activism has damaged the Republican Party in light of its losses in the 2012 elections. Fox figures have actively campaigned for Republican candidates over the past four years and instructed GOP officials on how to behave once they're elected.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...der-fir/191329

As Chance has already noted, FOX has failed nakedly and miserably with their ineffective rabid, and consistently dishonest, partisanship.

I have to think that Rove is over, with his ass handed to him. I have to think that Palin will drop out of the bobblehead game soon as well, since she is no longer relevant to the second term. I expect that FOX will be looking for new faces and voices to make their viewers forget about how wrong so many of their pundits got it again this time around.

[chance1]

Fox cares about .....

Ratings

As does AMC and MSNBC

Or rather revenues

Derived much from ratings

IF Fox's goal was Pres. Romney

They failed

I don't think that was their goal

Frankly I would imagine ratings and revenue might be better with a target .... BO

[JayHawk]

Honestly on Libya... it does need to be looked into. There is a lesson to be learned there but it was not a conspiracy carried out by us it was an attack against us. Plain and fucking simple.

However jumping to conclusions as the body of the Ambassador was still getting cold is pure politics and everything else out of the republican machine (including Fox) was viewed by most as juts that : partisan bullshit.

I saw and article today where two parts of the cia and military timeline differ by 2 minutes and 15 minutes. Somehow that is remarkable proof of something.... it is ridiculous. These people making these assumptions have never worked in a Operations Center and have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

[BostonPirate]

Of Course a Romney victory was FOX's goal and of course his loss is a great harm to their credibility. They hosted a series of lies on air that left the GOP so uninformed, that Romney hadn't even bothered to write a concession speech.

He litterally believed he was winning when he wasn't because FOX was spoon feeding it's viewers with only what they want to hear, hardly ever the truth, as he was heading into the closing election. He was broadsided by his loss at the polls. FOX, Rove, and Morris promised them that their data was not flawed.

Now it turns out it was not even scientific, much less not flawed.

This Romney loss is a serious issue for FOX and for the GOP. FOX needs to start delving into facts on occasion, and the GOP needs to find a new news source if they cant.

Until such time as that occurs, they will assist each other in continuing to make each other more irrelevant every day.

[GiancarloC]

I saw and article today where two parts of the cia and military timeline differ by 2 minutes and 15 minutes. Somehow that is remarkable proof of something.... it is ridiculous. These people making these assumptions have never worked in a Operations Center and have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

Of course. Most of them push paper for a living and work in the ivory tower known as the House of Representatives lol.

[chrisrobin]

Bill O'Reilly blamed hurricane sandy and said it changed the election... I don't even know why I tuned in on Fox News... I just wanted to see all the nasty excuses. First time I've ever watched that station.

Let that be a lesson to you. If Bill O' Reilly explains the exisence of God only by saying that..."tide comes in, tide goes out" - I wouldn't expect too much.

[GiancarloC]

This was from back from September... but gosh... Jon Stewart has a new viewer:



The coverage on Rove was hilarious too.

[Kulindahr]

I saw and article today where two parts of the cia and military timeline differ by 2 minutes and 15 minutes. Somehow that is remarkable proof of something.... it is ridiculous. These people making these assumptions have never worked in a Operations Center and have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

... or in anything resembling an operations center. As a lifeguard at a rather large facility, I had to fill out incident reports for accidents, fights, etc. More than once, the timelines on reports by multiple lifeguards for a given incident didn't match -- and that's in the same facility! When reports are coming from multiple centers with multiple units in the field, I'd be suspicious if everything on their timelines did match perfectly.

[Kulindahr]

Of Course a Romney victory was FOX's goal and of course his loss is a great harm to their credibility. They hosted a series of lies on air that left the GOP so uninformed, that Romney hadn't even bothered to write a concession speech.

He litterally believed he was winning when he wasn't because FOX was spoon feeding it's viewers with only what they want to hear, hardly ever the truth, as he was heading into the closing election. He was broadsided by his loss at the polls. FOX, Rove, and Morris promised them that their data was not flawed.

Now it turns out it was not even scientific, much less not flawed.

This Romney loss is a serious issue for FOX and for the GOP. FOX needs to start delving into facts on occasion, and the GOP needs to find a new news source if they cant.

Until such time as that occurs, they will assist each other in continuing to make each other more irrelevant every day.

I'd like to know who did their internal polls -- or did they just rely on Fox?

[maxpowr9]

Two words sum of Fox News: cognitive dissonance.

[JayHawk]

Ten days after Katrina, FEMA was still failing to do its job. Ten days after that, it was still failing.

This time, they acted.

It is worth noting that the federal government is no longer legally obstructed from acting so the governors have a lot less power to prevent them from coming into their state. That law was changed by congress AFTER Katrina to the angst of conspiracy theorist who proclaimed it was FEMA setting up to usurp power in America. But never mind all of that... It is Bush's fault dammmit... lol

Additionally, the Governor in NJ is about a thousand times more effective and decisive a leader than that pair of idiots in Katrina's decimated NOLA... Just consider the NJ Mayor who immediately hopped on TV to say they were receiving no help and had Guardsman patrolling their streets fifteen minutes later. That is effective leadership at the Governors level... you know the guy who commands the guardsman.....

Also don't forget that with an effective governor in a much more devastated state the help was efficient and immediate. Take a look at the response Mississippi received. There are so many misconceptions promoted by the airwaves from Katrina it amazes me.

yet at the same time this ignorant attempt by the Limbaughs of the world to proclaim that there are similarities to the two catastrophes is ignorant at best. Dishonest misinformation presented as news at worst. But hell let them have their odd lack of facts bubble. Apparently it prevents them from winning office. Cheers to that idea a thousand times over.