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    MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Shall an ordinance be adopted requiring producers of adult films to obtain a County public health permit, to require adult film performers to use condoms while engaged in sex acts, to provide proof of blood borne pathogen training course, to post permit and notices to performers, and making violations of the ordinance subject to civil fines and criminal charges?


    Opions? I do have a feeling that they're some of you out there are saying yes great idea, but you should also think about this... those porn star who do bareback porn do it because they want to not because they are forced to. We don't need big brother telling us what to do. As I see it as long as they are of legal age and doing it of their own choice then so be it.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Nobody puts a gun to a porn star's head to make them perform without a condom. The consumer public overwhelmingly demands porn without condoms, and so long as the participants are consenting adults who are aware of the risks involved I see no reason for the government to get involved.

    Worst case scenario is this simply pushes more people to amature pornography, further diminishing the traditional porn industry, and depriving the local and state government of the hefty tax revenues.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Interesting points. I agree with the views in the above post.
    I also don't know how laws can force a adult to wear a seat belt in their own personal vehicle, but in this state a guy on a bike doesn't even have to wear a helmet let alone be strapped to the bike. And the only logic I can think of that makes it worse is if you are seriously injured by not wearing a seat belt or helmet likely the only one who is hurt is yourself, however a STD can spread in the shadows before its known that a lot of people have it.

    The bottom line though is $$$. Any sort of fee or license to increase the coffers are what these laws are about. As the bike rider who doesn't have to wear a helmet must cover a certain line of insurance, thus the state benefits through PAC and corruption to buy votes.
    This likely has roots in some failing revenue fee/tax and isn't based on the welfare of the persons with a STD. Unless its related to the majority in the industry lacking health insurance then treatment and medications which are very high fall back on the Social services of CA.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Honestly, I'm more conservative on the issue. I actually do prefer my porn bareback, but at the same time shooting bareback porn doesn't just endanger you, it endangers everyone you have sex with - on and OFF the set. You might be consenting, but the ones you could infect through ignorance are not. And I've read more than enough stories of directors/producers/actors hiding HIV+ statuses and other stds secret and shooting porn regardless. I am not sure if this would actually change much, as most of the mainstream industry is already condom-mandatory (other than the lame ass "amateur college men" sites who seem to be reverting to BB)...
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    The major effect of this law if it passes will be a booming porn industry - - - - in some other state.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Regular check-ups for sexually transmitted stuff, noise ordinance -- sure.

    Criminal charges -- no.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    Interesting points. I agree with the views in the above post.
    I also don't know how laws can force a adult to wear a seat belt in their own personal vehicle, but in this state a guy on a bike doesn't even have to wear a helmet let alone be strapped to the bike. And the only logic I can think of that makes it worse is if you are seriously injured by not wearing a seat belt or helmet likely the only one who is hurt is yourself, however a STD can spread in the shadows before its known that a lot of people have it.

    The bottom line though is $$$. Any sort of fee or license to increase the coffers are what these laws are about. As the bike rider who doesn't have to wear a helmet must cover a certain line of insurance, thus the state benefits through PAC and corruption to buy votes.
    This likely has roots in some failing revenue fee/tax and isn't based on the welfare of the persons with a STD. Unless its related to the majority in the industry lacking health insurance then treatment and medications which are very high fall back on the Social services of CA.
    Motorcycle helmet laws are the same in Florida, and the reason is money. Insurance companies financed the campaign to repeal Florida's helmet laws simply because if you are in a motorcycle accident with a helmet on you are more likely to live, but still be seriously injured. If you die in the accident, which is incredibly more likely if you don't wear a helmet, the insurance company doesn't have to cover your medical expenses. Seatbelt laws, on the other hand, save insurance companies money in much the same way, as the mortality rate of accident victims not wearing a seatbelt is much lower than the mortality rate of bikers not wearing a helmet in a crash.

    TL,DR: Your insurance company wants you dead before you impact their bottom line.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Quote Originally Posted by Zu-Mendel View Post
    Motorcycle helmet laws are the same in Florida, and the reason is money. Insurance companies financed the campaign to repeal Florida's helmet laws simply because if you are in a motorcycle accident with a helmet on you are more likely to live, but still be seriously injured. If you die in the accident, which is incredibly more likely if you don't wear a helmet, the insurance company doesn't have to cover your medical expenses. Seatbelt laws, on the other hand, save insurance companies money in much the same way, as the mortality rate of accident victims not wearing a seatbelt is much lower than the mortality rate of bikers not wearing a helmet in a crash.

    TL,DR: Your insurance company wants you dead before you impact their bottom line.
    I think vulgar_newcomer could be referring to bicyclists, not those on motorcycles or other motor-driven vehicles, but it's ambiguous either way.

    Still, initially I would probably vote against this measure. I don't feel it necessary to mandate the use of condoms when filming porn. Which sex acts specifically does the measure refer to? Any penetration, or only vaginal/anal? How would porn customers feel when they see their porn stars wearing a condom while getting a blowjob? Do we really need a law to mandate this?

    I wholeheartedly agree that people should make informed decisions and be aware of the risks and rewards of any activity in which they are about to involve themselves. However, laws shouldn't be making our decisions for us, or punish us for making decisions in opposition to the law. There are risks and rewards to any activity, but I don't believe a law is necessary to mitigate the risks associated with porn.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    The only thing that should be done is mandatory tests for HIV and other STDS which can be just as dangerous. Other then that..it's their choice.

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    Hiv test will do little to help considering it takes from 4 weeks to 3 months for it to show up on a test, that said many of these performer know they can get it, look at T.I.M

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_219...voters-support

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    Los Angeles County voters support the use of condoms in adult films and want to keep the position of county assessor an elected one, according to early returns on local ballot measures. A measure to extend a sales tax increase to pay for transportation projects in L.A. County was falling just short of the two-thirds threshold it needed. And two measures to increase taxes on some property owners in the Santa Monica Mountains were leading.

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    [V]oters were substantially supporting Measure B, the much talked about initiative that would make actors working in the San Fernando Valley-based adult-film industry wear condoms on porn shoots.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    They would have done better in LA County to start regulating the health care of the porn-stars, all this is going to do is get them all to move to Vegas if they are straight, or the Springs if not. It just sweeps the problem onto someone else's doorstep, and ultimately, we as gay men are a huge part of the problem because studios only make what we buy.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Grats LA on killing business there with excessive regulation. The porn companies will simply move to another county which means lost tax dollars to you.

    If you moved to do what Amsterdam did and register the porn stars (or in their case, prostitutes) into a database with their medical records instead of this senseless regulation, that would have been more logical.

    As for the whole helmet/seat belt regulation. If I die in an accident, the insurance company in MA pays out $100k.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Right, everywhere is going to run a billion dollar business out of town over condoms.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    I really don't care what people want to do or what they think their liberties entitle them to when they are the agents of a public health crisis. We have no problem quarantining people with cholera or typhoid. It is possible to responsibly bareback with a monogamous partner. It would theoretically be possible to responsibly bareback with a room full of tested men. But at no time does "what they feel like doing" have fuck all to do with whether they are spreading HIV or not.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Well the answer would be to try and regulate the healthcare crisis, not promote futile ballot initiatives.
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Yeah it is all over California as well. And many models/performers come from elsewhere so no reason to have them stop in LA when they can head just a pubic hair to the south.....
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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    No matter what you do to the condom, people who care are going to bitch about it. Actually straight porn as I understand it is far more condom free than gay porn - trends that direction notwithstanding.

    Problem is that Porn is not the major factor in infection rates. If you want to manage the "heath care crisis" you need to convince the far far far far larger population of people who have sex to use condoms, I'm not sure getting porn stars to use condoms gets you there. Frankly this whole ballot initiative smacks of sex negative judgement of sex workers as a scapegoat for tackling STD's in any real way.

    People don't put condoms on because they looked bitchin' in Slutty sucks a thousand cocks. They put them on because they know the risks - and a lot of times not even then.

    Forcing some straight porn star in the Valley to rubber up doesn't get you there.
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    I hope this bill is passed all over the states A healthier L.A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jory View Post

    Opions? I do have a feeling that they're some of you out there are saying yes great idea, but you should also think about this... those porn star who do bareback porn do it because they want to not because they are forced to. We don't need big brother telling us what to do. As I see it as long as they are of legal age and doing it of their own choice then so be it.
    The worst moral dilemma I ever faced was working in a gay bar when AIDS began and watching it unfold for all of those years...and knowing sometimes when someone had the virus and having to watch them pick guys up. I was so fucking torn...Do I warn the "other guy" and who the fuck was I to invade someone else's privacy or assume anything? I don't want to be anyone's moral policeman yet I don't want to watch anyone die either...especially knowing I might have been able to stop it. I never really resolved this dilemma

    I believe in privacy and individual choice to do whatever you like with CONSENTING ADULTS (had those two conditions not been met I would have no moral dilemma) ...so I am torn as well on this initiative. I see the reasoning for it and it is well intentioned but maybe ill conceived because there is no way for anyone to really know...it can take a couple months for the virus to appear...so do they have a plan to lock them up in a padded room? There is no "safe" way to bareback. I think maybe a thorough education explaining the risks prior to making the choice to bareback might be a better requirement.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Grats LA on killing business there with excessive regulation. The porn companies will simply move to another county which means lost tax dollars to you.

    If you moved to do what Amsterdam did and register the porn stars (or in their case, prostitutes) into a database with their medical records instead of this senseless regulation, that would have been more logical.


    As for the whole helmet/seat belt regulation. If I die in an accident, the insurance company in MA pays out $100k.
    That's too much like a free market solution.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    Quote Originally Posted by r0ckst4r View Post
    I hope this bill is passed all over the states A healthier L.A
    Yes, but no. This won't make L.A. any healthier. It would only have that effect if porn stars were the primary infectious vector. They aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    That's too much like a free market solution.
    Yeah I kind of forgot how messed up California is. Their solution to a lot of problems is to throw money at it, which any rational person would realize, doesn't work. Florida is none too better. When a tax collector gets paid $150k/year, nearly the pay of a US senator, that's a problem.

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    Re: MEASURE B Safer sex in the Adult Film Industry Act--County of Los Angeles

    I enjoy good porn whether they wear a condom or not. If the law makes them wear porn, it won't change my view or appreciation as long as the sex is good. They could, like they use to do when aids hit big, make putting on the condemn part of the sex itself.
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    I think condoms are the best even married couples should use them

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