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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Evil is your word. I have never said they are evil. What i do say that population growth is pollution growth and emissions growth. Immigrants make every problems worse.
    So all you white people should pack up and go the fuck back to your own miserable countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That's why it is named Greeland. It was green once before (it was green during the medieval warm period when the norsemen arrived and named it), and will be again. Climate changes over time in cycles that last thousands of years. Nothing to do with mankind.
    One might assume from a reading of this post that, well, climate change is consistently dramatic, so there is no reason to worry.

    Until you look at the facts...



    The Medieval Warm Period was a tiny variation in global temperature, much much less than that seen in the last century.

    In addition, the Medieval Warm Period reflected natural change without much variation in CO2, as found in ice cores, again, as opposed to modern warming.

    Anthropogenic cause of warming is the most plausible and likely cause for global climate to rise so dramatically.

    And the naming of Greenland was propaganda to attract settlement, not because settlers found it to be particularly verdant.
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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I wonder if they will go with natural internment? That way you return to nature where you came from in the first place. Just think this isnt just about climate change either. If we had elections by popular vite then Al Gore would have been President and we could have spent trillions less by not getting into a second war.... so then we could have used those trillions saved to effect greenhouse gas changes.....

    its a circle... round and round.

    So tell me whats the difference between making a climate change argument when there are dead people and the ba-zillions of arguments using the dead bodies of american and allied and even the local casualties for an anti war stance?

    (I know I know you are protesting because you had one cut off for seemingly the same reason) ebb and flow....

    So tell me do you like global warming and figure you should make profit before sacrifice for the future? Cuz honestly the billions lost along the east coast may have been less had we started the cleaner energy policies offered by Jimmy Carter thirty years ago.
    As someone with formal education on this topic, I can, without reservations, say that I believe in global warming even if I am not entirely sure we can stem the tide.

    Do I think it's in good taste to switch the topic to global warming when we're still finding bodies and putting power grids back online? Absolutely not. (I also didn't think it was acceptable to ridicule Romney for accepting cans of food donated by shoppers at a grocery store he visited because, according to critics, it was "manufactured" since the donations were just purchased moments before the photo op.)

    To answer your first question: the duration of a war and a hurricane aren't similar. One is completely man made and can be stopped at a moment's notice and the other happens randomly and can't be stymied unless you think that carbon dioxide emissions cause hurricanes.

    I love the "I told you so" tone from the creator of this thread. I would like to remind him the response from Americans here in this thread who he's wagging his finger at and the response I was given for making the same thread but about Australia. Some truly accept free speech as being a two-way street. (And no, it isn't "us" versus "them.")

    (PS: The OP knew this thread was in bad taste. Look at title: "Uncomfortable post-Sandy question)
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    Oh I understand that your upset you had a thread on an internet forum closed. I get it.

    But if you were trying to make the same point ...how then is it invalid now? or was it invalid then and you are now just admitting it?

    You have a formal education in Global warming????? whats that look like? Perhaps Environmental Engineering?
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    Seriously, why is population control off the table as a step toward emissions limitation?

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    Because it doesn't work for emissions limitation. One word: China.

    Also LL I get that it wont make a difference in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately we created this inductrialized world that depends upon the motivation of wealth to exist. Even if the US has curbed it's fossil fuels use when Jimmy Carter suggested it there would be no discernible change in climate. However i do think we could go from devastating damage to life ending event if we do not slow it down.
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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    Government population control of minorities...

    Hmmmm

    Now where have I heard that one before

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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Seriously, why is population control off the table as a step toward emissions limitation?
    Because you don't want to talk about "population control," you want to hate on immigrants.
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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Oh I understand that your upset you had a thread on an internet forum closed. I get it.

    But if you were trying to make the same point ...how then is it invalid now? or was it invalid then and you are now just admitting it?

    You have a formal education in Global warming????? whats that look like? Perhaps Environmental Engineering?
    It wasn't exactly the same thread (read: it wasn't the same point). Both threads were ("were" since they killed free speech when they killed my thread) and are about natural disasters, their causes and their outcomes.

    No formal education in global warming, but a bigger subject topic that includes global warming as a tenet.
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    I have never expressed hate. Liberals want to avoid the issues by characterizing it as hatred, xenophobia, racism , etc.
    But, why is it the most important thing?

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    Because most of us are pretty tired of the hate you propagate.
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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    ^^^ Some of us are tired of giving him attention by responding to him.
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    The extreme hatred and xenophobia is evident in the content of your posts, Ben. This is rather simple and direct. Without addressing the topic, you have placed the blame immediately on immigrants... and that is wrong and grossly inaccurate. America... the country that consumes the most... the country that is centered around the culture of consumption... and does one think it's right to blame immigrants who often make less money and engage in less consumption? Malarkey.

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    Because you can't fix your own problems by blaming and villainizing others. If you can't bring your self up a notch, it's just more convenient to take others down.

    A constant repetition of this theme historically shows us that once you start government enforcement of population control, you next need to decide who and how. This has never worked out, and has brought us ethnic cleansing (germany, Poland, Former nations of Chechoslovakia, Stalin) infanticide (China) and Pogroms (Czarist Russia).

    It never worked, and it never ended well. Once the majority picks someone to get rid of to make life easier on the whole, it slides back into the morass of eugenics and such.

    Not a direction the USA will EVER go in. There will be civil war before a political party is allowed to control the population in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    It wasn't exactly the same thread (read: it wasn't the same point). Both threads were ("were" since they killed free speech when they killed my thread) and are about natural disasters, their causes and their outcomes.

    No formal education in global warming, but a bigger subject topic that includes global warming as a tenet.
    Well I can't talk to the tone of the previous thread because I don't think I saw it. However the tone of this thread is quite conciliatory. The folks who have died will not be any less dead if we discuss our response to the changing climate. My position is that we need to hunker down and instead of paying billions and soon trillions when natural disaster strikes we need to build massive preventative measures... elevate electrical sources; build barriers that progressively weaken storm surge, invest in an aggressive pumping station scheme like in NOLA to handle incremental flooding....and reduce the effect we are having. I am one of those that thought this was coming regardless... we simply sped it up and the earth will reach an equilibrium with the heat and then start to cool itself. We chance pushing that equilibrium so far that the subsequent cooling period will be ten times as harsh as it needs to be....

    After we guard against the rising waters in all of our major cities then we should start to develop massive skyscraper hydroponic farming so we can control the environment.... eventually the earth will be too frozen to farm.
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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Because you can't fix your own problems by blaming and villainizing others. If you can't bring your self up a notch, it's just more convenient to take others down.

    A constant repetition of this theme historically shows us that once you start government enforcement of population control, you next need to decide who and how. This has never worked out, and has brought us ethnic cleansing (germany, Poland, Former nations of Chechoslovakia, Stalin) infanticide (China) and Pogroms (Czarist Russia).

    It never worked, and it never ended well. Once the majority picks someone to get rid of to make life easier on the whole, it slides back into the morass of eugenics and such.

    Not a direction the USA will EVER go in. There will be civil war before a political party is allowed to control the population in the USA.

    Uh, I'd look around for some Indians before I's say the US has never done this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    ^^^ Some of tired of giving him attention by responding to him.
    I will ditto this... if we all simply stopped responding to the poster then he would go away eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Uh, I'd look around for some Indians before I's say the US has never done this.
    That wasnt controlling the population of our own nation; that was killing savages. Now no matter how evil that is there is a difference.
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    I'm assuming that's sarcasm?
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    Democracies can be corrupted by demagoguery as badly as monarchies can be corrupted by unscrupulousness.

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    unscrupulousness

    I believe this will be my word for the day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I'm assuming that's sarcasm?
    If you are talking to me I would say no that is reality. Indians while we population controlled them were not considered full citizens and in most cases were considered enemies so it is not the same as Nazis or communist determining how many and of what sex children you may have.
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    What was done to Native American was downright cruel and were indeed war crimes... they just didn't have the capacity to fight against aggression. Now they are stuck on often shambolic reservations.

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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    America had some reckoning to do after a few things... camps in WW2,



    didn't work out.


    Camps for Native americans...





    Didn't work out.


    Camps in arizona....



    NOT working out.
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    Re: Uncomfortable post-Sandy question

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Seriously, why is population control off the table as a step toward emissions limitation?
    It isn't. But you aren't interested in population control, just control of anyone who isn't in your mythical "assimilated majority".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    If you are talking to me I would say no that is reality. Indians while we population controlled them were not considered full citizens and in most cases were considered enemies so it is not the same as Nazis or communist determining how many and of what sex children you may have.
    Wait! You're not talking about the Chinese Government and their 1.6 BILLION (mostly homogenous) citizens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    If you are talking to me I would say no that is reality. Indians while we population controlled them were not considered full citizens and in most cases were considered enemies so it is not the same as Nazis or communist determining how many and of what sex children you may have.
    Yeah, that whole "savages," thing was what I was referring to, but thanks for the clarification. I suspect the one or two guys in here who are at least partly Indian are gonna have something to say about that - which was why I was hoping you were being witty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Because you can't fix your own problems by blaming and villainizing others.
    It hasn't stopped Republicans from getting re-elected!

    And we already know how much they've helped to "fix;" elections, gerrymandering, promotion over party, while declaring those opposed as being "Anti American."

    Where's your flag pin?
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    HAH, if fact it's been very helpful in getting Republicans elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    It hasn't stopped Republicans from getting re-elected!
    indeed.

    One of the saddest points I have ever had to concede

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Because it doesn't work for emissions limitation. One word: China.

    Also LL I get that it wont make a difference in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately we created this inductrialized world that depends upon the motivation of wealth to exist. Even if the US has curbed it's fossil fuels use when Jimmy Carter suggested it there would be no discernible change in climate. However i do think we could go from devastating damage to life ending event if we do not slow it down.
    But our national security would be better -- our oil imports would account for less that a tenth of our energy use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Yeah, that whole "savages," thing was what I was referring to, but thanks for the clarification. I suspect the one or two guys in here who are at least partly Indian are gonna have something to say about that - which was why I was hoping you were being witty.
    I'm "1/4 breed" even amongst the Native Americans, and a Democrat in a Red State, and I'm still no better off.

    I'm being ironical, get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Yeah, that whole "savages," thing was what I was referring to, but thanks for the clarification. I suspect the one or two guys in here who are at least partly Indian are gonna have something to say about that - which was why I was hoping you were being witty.
    My grandfather was a full blooded Cherokee. That does not change that early americans considered them to be savages and killed them as you would an enemy. I still maintain that it is not population control when you engage in killing what at the time is deemed an enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    After we guard against the rising waters in all of our major cities then we should start to develop massive skyscraper hydroponic farming so we can control the environment....
    I haven't a clue where to look online, but I once read an article about an Italian urban engineer's design for a city of the future. It was a modified pyramid with skylights that allowed real sunshine to mingle with artificial lighting for lots of green space indoors, and the entire outside was parks and agricultural. From a distance the thing looked like a geometrically regular mountain, it was so covered with greenery. Designed for a million people, it was supposed to have enough plant life to offset most of the population's carbon footprint.

    One of his colleagues took the design and added a tower with rings, meant as additional agricultural area, sticking up out of the middle -- it looked a lot like one of the arcologies in the old Sim City 2000.

    Yet another colleague went a step beyond that: he proposed enclosing the entire thing in a dome, so that any pollutants emitted inside the city would stay in the city, keeping the outside clean(er) and giving the inhabitants an incentive for making their air pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What was done to Native American was downright cruel and were indeed war crimes... they just didn't have the capacity to fight against aggression. Now they are stuck on often shambolic reservations.
    Nice use of shambolic.... kudos...

    The treatment of American Indians and most of our exploits prior to this century could be considered war crimes in this day and age... but they didnt happen in this day and age.
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    That wasnt controlling the population of our own nation; that was killing savages. Now no matter how evil that is there is a difference.
    I assume that's meant to be satirical. I hold that in many, many ways my ancestors who were here already were far more civilized than the newcomers they greeted, and that if my ancestors who were latecomers had had wisdom to adopt those more civilized practices, we'd be far better off.

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    I haven't a clue where to look online, but I once read an article about an Italian urban engineer's design for a city of the future. It was a modified pyramid with skylights that allowed real sunshine to mingle with artificial lighting for lots of green space indoors, and the entire outside was parks and agricultural. From a distance the thing looked like a geometrically regular mountain, it was so covered with greenery. Designed for a million people, it was supposed to have enough plant life to offset most of the population's carbon footprint.

    One of his colleagues took the design and added a tower with rings, meant as additional agricultural area, sticking up out of the middle -- it looked a lot like one of the arcologies in the old Sim City 2000.

    Yet another colleague went a step beyond that: he proposed enclosing the entire thing in a dome, so that any pollutants emitted inside the city would stay in the city, keeping the outside clean(er) and giving the inhabitants an incentive for making their air pure.
    Yes I have read different thing in Pop Science and such but I havent seen that particular article. My point is we need to think big and solve multiple problems at once and yet we have two inept parties that are incapable of looking forward because if they do they lose today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I assume that's meant to be satirical. I hold that in many, many ways my ancestors who were here already were far more civilized than the newcomers they greeted, and that if my ancestors who were latecomers had had wisdom to adopt those more civilized practices, we'd be far better off.
    You guys are still not getting it... yes the ways were much more civilized and would not impact the world today at all had they remained. that still doesn't change the basic premise that the view of the majority at the time was that the "red" people were savages and in-human. The same way slaves were treated. Slaves only earned the 3/5's rule because white southerners knew they were outnumbered in a popular vote.
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    Wait! You're not talking about the Chinese Government and their 1.6 BILLION (mostly homogenous) citizens?
    Only because it has been policy off and on since before 1000 A.D. to move populations around to get them to blend -- a policy still practiced where they're invading and absorbing neighbors.

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    I'm sorry. What was the original topic of this thread?
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    If you are talking to me I would say no that is reality. Indians while we population controlled them were not considered full citizens and in most cases were considered enemies so it is not the same as Nazis or communist determining how many and of what sex children you may have.
    In other words, the invaders/immigrants were the savages.

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    It hasn't stopped Republicans from getting re-elected!

    And we already know how much they've helped to "fix;" elections, gerrymandering, promotion over party, while declaring those opposed as being "Anti American."

    Where's your flag pin?
    Republicans should have the stars and stripes tattooed on their dicks -- after, all, the GOP takes the flag and fucks you with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobson73 View Post
    With the greatest respect to the people in the north east of the US who have suffered/are suffering such incredible hardships, I have one question.

    Is it not time to start calling your politicians to get them thinking about a thing called Global warming? Or as a resident of the nation who is one of the largest contributors to Global warming, is that too uncomfortable?

    Again, my sympathies to the residents who've been affected. I can't begin to imagine your pain. But for all our sakes, please start asking your politicians what they're going to do to address this very real issue.
    The last time I checked a map of Australia, Melbourne wasn't on the list of cities becoming Venice of the 21st Century.

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    The technology is there to fix the problem. It always has been, actually.

    The one tech that I have personally been keeping a close eye on that could not only stop the damage but actually fix the problem is to use a reverse chemical fuel production....

    A novel experiment is taking place in the Princeton University lab of chemist Andrew Bocarsly. Like a battery, the experimental device has two poles of charged materials resting in a bath of chemical-laced water. A small tube bubbles carbon dioxide into the device, called a cell. The CO2 interacts with the charged metal coating one of the poles and, with the help of a special catalyst, begins to form bigger molecules that combine carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms.

    These bigger molecules have a more common name: hydrocarbons, the molecules that make up the fuels that power the modern world — coal, natural gas and oil. And what Bocarsly and his colleagues have done is essentially reverse combustion: they have taken the byproduct of burning fossil fuels — CO2, the greenhouse gas most responsible for climate change — and transformed it back into a fuel suitable for burning.

    “The dominant thinking 10 years ago was that we should bury the CO2,” Bocarsly says. “If you could efficiently convert CO2 into something that was useful you wouldn’t have to spend all that money and energy to put it into the ground. You could sort of recycle it.”
    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/using_c...n_energy/2405/

    This is a cheap efficient way of producing fuel AND reducing the CO2 emissions simultaneously. We could scrub the air we breathe in our homes as we make gas for our cars.

    This type of innovative thinking will lead us out of this mess, but it won't be easy and it won't be soon. Government has always invested in long term tech development, and thanks to NASA, the world is a different place.

    The problem is that people cannot get it. This change is coming whether you agree with it or not. How many people on Staten Island stayed behind and died because some scientist wasn't to be trusted?

    Probably more than any of us want to think about.
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    Green Politics isn't nearly as "green" or "organic" as they are in the rest of the "civilized" world.

    Obama has made America "Independent" of foreign oil more so than any President in American history.

    But if you're a right wing conservative running against him, it's only because Obama has declared a war on "Coal" and "Fossil Fuels," which in their own right are LIES.

    North American Energy Independence.


    While in reality he's reduced America's need to go to War, which pissed the Right Wing War hawks even more than Solyndra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    I'm "1/4 breed" even amongst the Native Americans, and a Democrat in a Red State, and I'm still no better off.

    I'm being ironical, get it?
    Oregon was a red state back when Republicans were republican and conservative -- not that I could vote back then.

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    Oregon was a red state back when Republicans were republican and conservative -- not that I could vote back then.
    Texas had a proud history of being "moderate" and electing members regardless of the "R" or the "D" so long as they represented Texans when they got to Austin, or D.C..

    But that was back in the days before Karl Rove, Dick Armey, Ted DeLay, George W. Bush, or the Texas Tea Party.

    How's that been working out in Oregon so far?
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    You guys are still not getting it... yes the ways were much more civilized and would not impact the world today at all had they remained. that still doesn't change the basic premise that the view of the majority at the time was that the "red" people were savages and in-human. The same way slaves were treated. Slaves only earned the 3/5's rule because white southerners knew they were outnumbered in a popular vote.
    Oh, I get it. But today's Republicans still go by the standards of those days. In order to speak of reality, it's necessary to make clear that the savages were the ones stealing the land.

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    I'm sorry. What was the original topic of this thread?
    Immigration.

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    Oh, I get it. But today's Republicans still go by the standards of those days. In order to speak of reality, it's necessary to make clear that the savages were the ones stealing the land.
    Ironic considering that in "those days" most Americans wouldn't give those "Irish Catholics" (Biden/Ryan) the time of day, much less elect them to public office.



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    To have any effect it's pronounced La Migra!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    The technology is there to fix the problem. It always has been, actually.

    The one tech that I have personally been keeping a close eye on that could not only stop the damage but actually fix the problem is to use a reverse chemical fuel production....



    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/using_c...n_energy/2405/

    This is a cheap efficient way of producing fuel AND reducing the CO2 emissions simultaneously. We could scrub the air we breathe in our homes as we make gas for our cars.

    This type of innovative thinking will lead us out of this mess, but it won't be easy and it won't be soon. Government has always invested in long term tech development, and thanks to NASA, the world is a different place.

    The problem is that people cannot get it. This change is coming whether you agree with it or not. How many people on Staten Island stayed behind and died because some scientist wasn't to be trusted?

    Probably more than any of us want to think about.
    I remember reading about that -- it's brilliant!

    Another approach I read about was in a magazine for building contractors: someone has started using CO2 as the gas in closed-cell insulation sheets, thus sequestering it right here without any expensive drilling or anything. It changes the cost of producing the material so slightly that the outlet price hasn't changed because of it. The process could also be used in a broad variety of building materials, from the closed-cell foam used between foundations and base sill to styrofoam concrete wall forms.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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